which club will leave ECNL next

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Anonymous wrote:Arlington and VDA face the “prisoner’s dilemma”. They don’t want to be stuck as the only decent ECNL club in NOVA (FVU may still be flailing around), because it would be the death knell for their boys program. If they don’t jump first, the opportunity might evaporate.

It's a big advantage to being the only ECNL team in an area -- you'll dominate recruiting where the have a much better chance at forming super teams to compete nationally. While it certainly means more on the girls side, it'll likely a pretty decent option for boys, too.

VDA already competes nationally on both the girls and boys side too. As does Arlington. Not sure what good switching does for either of them. None of their girls want to be GA and Next is so watered down in the area with all the recent additions that it’s not all that attractive either for their boys- most of who play HS and earn all the local accolades. My sense is they will stay put while they see how this little experiment plays out. No reason for either club to depart at this stage when they hold the cards with sound funding, strong competitive teams on girls and boys side and academy/college placement that is superior to many in the area… .

You, it is very evident, don’t know much about the boys side in this area.

In totality, it would be a big demotion for either of them to switch from ECNL.

Look closer at mid to lower tier ECRL clubs if you are trying to figure out who would switch. Like one sliding to MLSN2/Ga makes more sense.

MLSN is trying to build out MLSN2 not oversaturate MLSN even more.

So, speaking strictly about the boys side, it was a big demotion for Loudoun to switch to MLS Next?

Their top 2 directors have high-level daughters and, even though they knew switching would have an immediate negative impact on the girls side, they knew they had to make that move. If MLS Next won’t offer VDA or Arl a seat at the big kids table (ie only MLSN 2) yes that would be a demotion and agree they certainly wouldn’t switch.

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Arlington and VDA will both leave ECNL, that is all there is to comprehend.

In totality, it would be a big demotion for either of them to switch from ECNL.

Sorry, girl Dad, not when the boys side is added to the equation. Don’t let the VDA social media machine fool you, they’ve consistently been losing talent to SYC and now NVA on the boys side.

This is the issue. Do you kill the girls side to get to a better place on the boys side? It is what a club pays the leadership to decide. The boys side would be in a much better place. But make no mistake you would kill the girls side. GA is not on par with ECNL; not even close. There would be a 75% roster turnover. Now if they can fill the slots maybe they do not care. And I am sure they can fill the slots. But Arlington and VDA have had a pretty good college placement track record on the girls side. They could not replicate that in GA. The top half of the team would be fine but the real value that I have seen is that ECNL teams tend to place almost the entire team on college teams -- even bad ECNL teams. GA does not. The bottom half of the roster would be impacted. Leadership has to make a decision. I really doubt either will do this -- more money on the girls side. But if they do both will at the same time.

Won’t take much to switch the balance of power to GA. One to two years tops. Bank on it.

Come back in two years. You may be right but that is not the world we live in now.

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Anonymous wrote:Arlington and VDA face the “prisoner’s dilemma”. They don’t want to be stuck as the only decent ECNL club in NOVA (FVU may still be flailing around), because it would be the death knell for their boys program. If they don’t jump first, the opportunity might evaporate.

It's a big advantage to being the only ECNL team in an area -- you'll dominate recruiting where the have a much better chance at forming super teams to compete nationally. While it certainly means more on the girls side, it'll likely a pretty decent option for boys, too.

VDA already competes nationally on both the girls and boys side too. As does Arlington. Not sure what good switching does for either of them. None of their girls want to be GA and Next is so watered down in the area with all the recent additions that it’s not all that attractive either for their boys- most of who play HS and earn all the local accolades. My sense is they will stay put while they see how this little experiment plays out. No reason for either club to depart at this stage when they hold the cards with sound funding, strong competitive teams on girls and boys side and academy/college placement that is superior to many in the area… .

You, it is very evident, don’t know much about the boys side in this area.

In totality, it would be a big demotion for either of them to switch from ECNL.

Look closer at mid to lower tier ECRL clubs if you are trying to figure out who would switch. Like one sliding to MLSN2/Ga makes more sense.

MLSN is trying to build out MLSN2 not oversaturate MLSN even more.

So, speaking strictly about the boys side, it was a big demotion for Loudoun to switch to MLS Next?

Their top 2 directors have high-level daughters and, even though they knew switching would have an immediate negative impact on the girls side, they knew they had to make that move. If MLS Next won’t offer VDA or Arl a seat at the big kids table (ie only MLSN 2) yes that would be a demotion and agree they certainly wouldn’t switch.

So reading comprehension issues?

Arlington and VDA will both leave ECNL, that is all there is to comprehend.

In totality, it would be a big demotion for either of them to switch from ECNL.

Sorry, girl Dad, not when the boys side is added to the equation. Don’t let the VDA social media machine fool you, they’ve consistently been losing talent to SYC and now NVA on the boys side.

This is the issue. Do you kill the girls side to get to a better place on the boys side? It is what a club pays the leadership to decide. The boys side would be in a much better place. But make no mistake you would kill the girls side. GA is not on par with ECNL; not even close. There would be a 75% roster turnover. Now if they can fill the slots maybe they do not care. And I am sure they can fill the slots. But Arlington and VDA have had a pretty good college placement track record on the girls side. They could not replicate that in GA. The top half of the team would be fine but the real value that I have seen is that ECNL teams tend to place almost the entire team on college teams -- even bad ECNL teams. GA does not. The bottom half of the roster would be impacted. Leadership has to make a decision. I really doubt either will do this -- more money on the girls side. But if they do both will at the same time.

Help me to understand how ECNL makes more money than GA for clubs. You even said it yourself that if a club switched from ECNL to GA that they could fill the spots. So I guess it comes down to ECRL? Which GA addresses with DPL and Aspire.

If you're just talking about money what it comes down to is which league has the draw to enable 3rd 4th 5th teams. MLSN does that for the boys. ECNL does not do this for the girls.

ECNL and GA are probably revenue neutral. My comment was girls side makes more money than boys side because girls side is almost all full pay and boys side is not.

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Anonymous wrote:Arlington and VDA face the “prisoner’s dilemma”. They don’t want to be stuck as the only decent ECNL club in NOVA (FVU may still be flailing around), because it would be the death knell for their boys program. If they don’t jump first, the opportunity might evaporate.

It's a big advantage to being the only ECNL team in an area -- you'll dominate recruiting where the have a much better chance at forming super teams to compete nationally. While it certainly means more on the girls side, it'll likely a pretty decent option for boys, too.

VDA already competes nationally on both the girls and boys side too. As does Arlington. Not sure what good switching does for either of them. None of their girls want to be GA and Next is so watered down in the area with all the recent additions that it’s not all that attractive either for their boys- most of who play HS and earn all the local accolades. My sense is they will stay put while they see how this little experiment plays out. No reason for either club to depart at this stage when they hold the cards with sound funding, strong competitive teams on girls and boys side and academy/college placement that is superior to many in the area… .

You, it is very evident, don’t know much about the boys side in this area.

In totality, it would be a big demotion for either of them to switch from ECNL.

Look closer at mid to lower tier ECRL clubs if you are trying to figure out who would switch. Like one sliding to MLSN2/Ga makes more sense.

MLSN is trying to build out MLSN2 not oversaturate MLSN even more.

So, speaking strictly about the boys side, it was a big demotion for Loudoun to switch to MLS Next?

Their top 2 directors have high-level daughters and, even though they knew switching would have an immediate negative impact on the girls side, they knew they had to make that move. If MLS Next won’t offer VDA or Arl a seat at the big kids table (ie only MLSN 2) yes that would be a demotion and agree they certainly wouldn’t switch.

So reading comprehension issues?

Arlington and VDA will both leave ECNL, that is all there is to comprehend.

In totality, it would be a big demotion for either of them to switch from ECNL.

Agree. They don’t need to switch. They have good college placement and exposure. MLSN does nothing for their customer base who 1) wants good college placement (already received from
eCNL plus not restricted from doing ID camps in ECNL 2) wants high school

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Arlington

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So, WHICH club locally does best with college recruitment and WHAT league are they in?

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Anonymous wrote:So, WHICH club locally does best with college recruitment and WHAT league are they in?

Arlington or Richmond. ECNL.

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Anonymous wrote:So, WHICH club locally does best with college recruitment and WHAT league are they in?

Arlington or Richmond. ECNL.

Then, WHY would they leave -- unless/until GA becomes the clear No. 1 for girls AND/OR ENCL falls so far behind for boys, USYS is a better option?

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Anonymous wrote:So, WHICH club locally does best with college recruitment and WHAT league are they in?

Arlington or Richmond. ECNL.

Then, WHY would they leave -- unless/until GA becomes the clear No. 1 for girls AND/OR ENCL falls so far behind for boys, USYS is a better option?

Its because MLSN draws more teams to clubs than boys ECNL. (Think 3rd 4th teams) GA and ECNL pull about the same number of teams.

Fight it all you want but MLSNs connection to MLS via Acadamies resonates with boys and their parents.

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Anonymous wrote:Arlington and VDA face the “prisoner’s dilemma”. They don’t want to be stuck as the only decent ECNL club in NOVA (FVU may still be flailing around), because it would be the death knell for their boys program. If they don’t jump first, the opportunity might evaporate.

It's a big advantage to being the only ECNL team in an area -- you'll dominate recruiting where the have a much better chance at forming super teams to compete nationally. While it certainly means more on the girls side, it'll likely a pretty decent option for boys, too.

VDA already competes nationally on both the girls and boys side too. As does Arlington. Not sure what good switching does for either of them. None of their girls want to be GA and Next is so watered down in the area with all the recent additions that it’s not all that attractive either for their boys- most of who play HS and earn all the local accolades. My sense is they will stay put while they see how this little experiment plays out. No reason for either club to depart at this stage when they hold the cards with sound funding, strong competitive teams on girls and boys side and academy/college placement that is superior to many in the area… .

You, it is very evident, don’t know much about the boys side in this area.

In totality, it would be a big demotion for either of them to switch from ECNL.

Look closer at mid to lower tier ECRL clubs if you are trying to figure out who would switch. Like one sliding to MLSN2/Ga makes more sense.

MLSN is trying to build out MLSN2 not oversaturate MLSN even more.

So, speaking strictly about the boys side, it was a big demotion for Loudoun to switch to MLS Next?

Their top 2 directors have high-level daughters and, even though they knew switching would have an immediate negative impact on the girls side, they knew they had to make that move. If MLS Next won’t offer VDA or Arl a seat at the big kids table (ie only MLSN 2) yes that would be a demotion and agree they certainly wouldn’t switch.

So reading comprehension issues?

Arlington and VDA will both leave ECNL, that is all there is to comprehend.

In totality, it would be a big demotion for either of them to switch from ECNL.

Sorry, girl Dad, not when the boys side is added to the equation. Don’t let the VDA social media machine fool you, they’ve consistently been losing talent to SYC and now NVA on the boys side.

This is the issue. Do you kill the girls side to get to a better place on the boys side? It is what a club pays the leadership to decide. The boys side would be in a much better place. But make no mistake you would kill the girls side. GA is not on par with ECNL; not even close. There would be a 75% roster turnover. Now if they can fill the slots maybe they do not care. And I am sure they can fill the slots. But Arlington and VDA have had a pretty good college placement track record on the girls side. They could not replicate that in GA. The top half of the team would be fine but the real value that I have seen is that ECNL teams tend to place almost the entire team on college teams -- even bad ECNL teams. GA does not. The bottom half of the roster would be impacted. Leadership has to make a decision. I really doubt either will do this -- more money on the girls side. But if they do both will at the same time.

Help me to understand how ECNL makes more money than GA for clubs. You even said it yourself that if a club switched from ECNL to GA that they could fill the spots. So I guess it comes down to ECRL? Which GA addresses with DPL and Aspire.

If you're just talking about money what it comes down to is which league has the draw to enable 3rd 4th 5th teams. MLSN does that for the boys. ECNL does not do this for the girls.

ECNL and GA are probably revenue neutral. My comment was girls side makes more money than boys side because girls side is almost all full pay and boys side is not.

Maybe the girls top team makes more than boys, but overall the club makes more from boys because there are usually more boys teams in the club than girls, more boys attending their club camps, specialized trainings, futsal. MLSN branding matters for attracting boys the the club.

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Anonymous wrote:Arlington and VDA face the “prisoner’s dilemma”. They don’t want to be stuck as the only decent ECNL club in NOVA (FVU may still be flailing around), because it would be the death knell for their boys program. If they don’t jump first, the opportunity might evaporate.

It's a big advantage to being the only ECNL team in an area -- you'll dominate recruiting where the have a much better chance at forming super teams to compete nationally. While it certainly means more on the girls side, it'll likely a pretty decent option for boys, too.

VDA already competes nationally on both the girls and boys side too. As does Arlington. Not sure what good switching does for either of them. None of their girls want to be GA and Next is so watered down in the area with all the recent additions that it’s not all that attractive either for their boys- most of who play HS and earn all the local accolades. My sense is they will stay put while they see how this little experiment plays out. No reason for either club to depart at this stage when they hold the cards with sound funding, strong competitive teams on girls and boys side and academy/college placement that is superior to many in the area… .

You, it is very evident, don’t know much about the boys side in this area.

In totality, it would be a big demotion for either of them to switch from ECNL.

Look closer at mid to lower tier ECRL clubs if you are trying to figure out who would switch. Like one sliding to MLSN2/Ga makes more sense.

MLSN is trying to build out MLSN2 not oversaturate MLSN even more.

So, speaking strictly about the boys side, it was a big demotion for Loudoun to switch to MLS Next?

Their top 2 directors have high-level daughters and, even though they knew switching would have an immediate negative impact on the girls side, they knew they had to make that move. If MLS Next won’t offer VDA or Arl a seat at the big kids table (ie only MLSN 2) yes that would be a demotion and agree they certainly wouldn’t switch.

So reading comprehension issues?

Arlington and VDA will both leave ECNL, that is all there is to comprehend.

In totality, it would be a big demotion for either of them to switch from ECNL.

Sorry, girl Dad, not when the boys side is added to the equation. Don’t let the VDA social media machine fool you, they’ve consistently been losing talent to SYC and now NVA on the boys side.

This is the issue. Do you kill the girls side to get to a better place on the boys side? It is what a club pays the leadership to decide. The boys side would be in a much better place. But make no mistake you would kill the girls side. GA is not on par with ECNL; not even close. There would be a 75% roster turnover. Now if they can fill the slots maybe they do not care. And I am sure they can fill the slots. But Arlington and VDA have had a pretty good college placement track record on the girls side. They could not replicate that in GA. The top half of the team would be fine but the real value that I have seen is that ECNL teams tend to place almost the entire team on college teams -- even bad ECNL teams. GA does not. The bottom half of the roster would be impacted. Leadership has to make a decision. I really doubt either will do this -- more money on the girls side. But if they do both will at the same time.

Help me to understand how ECNL makes more money than GA for clubs. You even said it yourself that if a club switched from ECNL to GA that they could fill the spots. So I guess it comes down to ECRL? Which GA addresses with DPL and Aspire.

If you're just talking about money what it comes down to is which league has the draw to enable 3rd 4th 5th teams. MLSN does that for the boys. ECNL does not do this for the girls.

ECNL and GA are probably revenue neutral. My comment was girls side makes more money than boys side because girls side is almost all full pay and boys side is not.

Maybe the girls top team makes more than boys, but overall the club makes more from boys because there are usually more boys teams in the club than girls, more boys attending their club camps, specialized trainings, futsal. MLSN branding matters for attracting boys the the club.

Boys soccer definitely makes more club wise and league wise. Everyone thinks ECNL is a Girls league, but there are way more Boys teams than there are Girls teams in ECNL. Boys soccer definitely makes more money.

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Anonymous wrote:Arlington and VDA face the “prisoner’s dilemma”. They don’t want to be stuck as the only decent ECNL club in NOVA (FVU may still be flailing around), because it would be the death knell for their boys program. If they don’t jump first, the opportunity might evaporate.

It's a big advantage to being the only ECNL team in an area -- you'll dominate recruiting where the have a much better chance at forming super teams to compete nationally. While it certainly means more on the girls side, it'll likely a pretty decent option for boys, too.

VDA already competes nationally on both the girls and boys side too. As does Arlington. Not sure what good switching does for either of them. None of their girls want to be GA and Next is so watered down in the area with all the recent additions that it’s not all that attractive either for their boys- most of who play HS and earn all the local accolades. My sense is they will stay put while they see how this little experiment plays out. No reason for either club to depart at this stage when they hold the cards with sound funding, strong competitive teams on girls and boys side and academy/college placement that is superior to many in the area… .

You, it is very evident, don’t know much about the boys side in this area.

In totality, it would be a big demotion for either of them to switch from ECNL.

Look closer at mid to lower tier ECRL clubs if you are trying to figure out who would switch. Like one sliding to MLSN2/Ga makes more sense.

MLSN is trying to build out MLSN2 not oversaturate MLSN even more.

So, speaking strictly about the boys side, it was a big demotion for Loudoun to switch to MLS Next?

Their top 2 directors have high-level daughters and, even though they knew switching would have an immediate negative impact on the girls side, they knew they had to make that move. If MLS Next won’t offer VDA or Arl a seat at the big kids table (ie only MLSN 2) yes that would be a demotion and agree they certainly wouldn’t switch.

So reading comprehension issues?

Arlington and VDA will both leave ECNL, that is all there is to comprehend.

In totality, it would be a big demotion for either of them to switch from ECNL.

Sorry, girl Dad, not when the boys side is added to the equation. Don’t let the VDA social media machine fool you, they’ve consistently been losing talent to SYC and now NVA on the boys side.

This is the issue. Do you kill the girls side to get to a better place on the boys side? It is what a club pays the leadership to decide. The boys side would be in a much better place. But make no mistake you would kill the girls side. GA is not on par with ECNL; not even close. There would be a 75% roster turnover. Now if they can fill the slots maybe they do not care. And I am sure they can fill the slots. But Arlington and VDA have had a pretty good college placement track record on the girls side. They could not replicate that in GA. The top half of the team would be fine but the real value that I have seen is that ECNL teams tend to place almost the entire team on college teams -- even bad ECNL teams. GA does not. The bottom half of the roster would be impacted. Leadership has to make a decision. I really doubt either will do this -- more money on the girls side. But if they do both will at the same time.

Help me to understand how ECNL makes more money than GA for clubs. You even said it yourself that if a club switched from ECNL to GA that they could fill the spots. So I guess it comes down to ECRL? Which GA addresses with DPL and Aspire.

If you're just talking about money what it comes down to is which league has the draw to enable 3rd 4th 5th teams. MLSN does that for the boys. ECNL does not do this for the girls.

ECNL and GA are probably revenue neutral. My comment was girls side makes more money than boys side because girls side is almost all full pay and boys side is not.

Maybe the girls top team makes more than boys, but overall the club makes more from boys because there are usually more boys teams in the club than girls, more boys attending their club camps, specialized trainings, futsal. MLSN branding matters for attracting boys the the club.

Boys soccer definitely makes more club wise and league wise. Everyone thinks ECNL is a Girls league, but there are way more Boys teams than there are Girls teams in ECNL. Boys soccer definitely makes more money.

Who has more teams ENCL or MLSN?

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Anonymous wrote:So, WHICH club locally does best with college recruitment and WHAT league are they in?

Arlington or Richmond. ECNL.

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Arlington or Richmond. ECNL.

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Girls or boys?

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Anonymous wrote:Arlington and VDA face the “prisoner’s dilemma”. They don’t want to be stuck as the only decent ECNL club in NOVA (FVU may still be flailing around), because it would be the death knell for their boys program. If they don’t jump first, the opportunity might evaporate.

It's a big advantage to being the only ECNL team in an area -- you'll dominate recruiting where the have a much better chance at forming super teams to compete nationally. While it certainly means more on the girls side, it'll likely a pretty decent option for boys, too.

VDA already competes nationally on both the girls and boys side too. As does Arlington. Not sure what good switching does for either of them. None of their girls want to be GA and Next is so watered down in the area with all the recent additions that it’s not all that attractive either for their boys- most of who play HS and earn all the local accolades. My sense is they will stay put while they see how this little experiment plays out. No reason for either club to depart at this stage when they hold the cards with sound funding, strong competitive teams on girls and boys side and academy/college placement that is superior to many in the area… .

You, it is very evident, don’t know much about the boys side in this area.

In totality, it would be a big demotion for either of them to switch from ECNL.

Look closer at mid to lower tier ECRL clubs if you are trying to figure out who would switch. Like one sliding to MLSN2/Ga makes more sense.

MLSN is trying to build out MLSN2 not oversaturate MLSN even more.

So, speaking strictly about the boys side, it was a big demotion for Loudoun to switch to MLS Next?

Their top 2 directors have high-level daughters and, even though they knew switching would have an immediate negative impact on the girls side, they knew they had to make that move. If MLS Next won’t offer VDA or Arl a seat at the big kids table (ie only MLSN 2) yes that would be a demotion and agree they certainly wouldn’t switch.

So reading comprehension issues?

Arlington and VDA will both leave ECNL, that is all there is to comprehend.

In totality, it would be a big demotion for either of them to switch from ECNL.

Sorry, girl Dad, not when the boys side is added to the equation. Don’t let the VDA social media machine fool you, they’ve consistently been losing talent to SYC and now NVA on the boys side.

This is the issue. Do you kill the girls side to get to a better place on the boys side? It is what a club pays the leadership to decide. The boys side would be in a much better place. But make no mistake you would kill the girls side. GA is not on par with ECNL; not even close. There would be a 75% roster turnover. Now if they can fill the slots maybe they do not care. And I am sure they can fill the slots. But Arlington and VDA have had a pretty good college placement track record on the girls side. They could not replicate that in GA. The top half of the team would be fine but the real value that I have seen is that ECNL teams tend to place almost the entire team on college teams -- even bad ECNL teams. GA does not. The bottom half of the roster would be impacted. Leadership has to make a decision. I really doubt either will do this -- more money on the girls side. But if they do both will at the same time.

Won’t take much to switch the balance of power to GA. One to two years tops. Bank on it.

Come back in two years. You may be right but that is not the world we live in now.

ill say 4 years.

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Anonymous wrote:So, WHICH club locally does best with college recruitment and WHAT league are they in?

Arlington or Richmond. ECNL.

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Girls or boys?

Both