Five weeks in. RTO is literally killing me!

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Anonymous wrote:IF folks think they do their jobs 100% remote, then why do we need to keep jobs in US? I'm sur companies can get cheaper and smarter labor overseas. Especially Asian countries.

I mean, I'm a lawyer who works remotely part time. People overseas don't have law degrees. My Dad does telehealth visits with patients sometimes, does that mean you'd want an overseas doctor? They don't have medical licenses.

That argument is absurd.

WHAT??? You don't think anyone "overseas" gets adequate medical attention? I can assure you that most of the world has bodies governing medical and other professional licenses.

+1. They all have medical licenses. Most of them also have better training than US doctors.

You know medical licenses are jurisdiction specific, right? Even between US states.

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Anonymous wrote:Those who insist on terminating TW are usually old men, people without children, or those who never did much childrearing. This generation of parents actually wants to spend time with their kids, we want to be able to cook a home cook meal several times a week, and see them after work for more than an hour, we don't want to be shitty/absent parents. TW simply gives us two hours of our lives back (at least!), time we can dedicate to our families and not commuting.

We are the generation that deeply understands why birthrates are going down. A society that refuses to support parents is doomed, young people will look at us and say "hard pass".

I’m a teacher and can’t stay at home. I rather resent the notion that I’m a “shitty/absent parent” because of my job.

Teachers need not chime in, they leave work at 345 everyday, and get 16 weeks of paid vacation-- ( I get that its a low paid job), but the time off is essentially equivalent to working like 3-4 day weeks all year for the rest of us.

Yes, good idea not to chime in if you’re missing facts. I’m not leaving anywhere close to 3:45 because my school, like many, doesn’t even dismiss until after 4:00. We get paid for none of our breaks and I’m not sure who is getting 16 weeks off.

Not a cushy job with few work days and short hours. There’s a reason that the current teacher shortage exists.

You like to insert yourself a lot in these threads. I’m not sure why but you seem to want to compare every job to being a teacher.

That was my first post in this thread, or any RTO thread, for that matter. There’s more than one of us out there. Just getting tired of all of the posters that think we have such a cushy job and finally decided to post.

The whining from people who suddenly have to join the rest of us with on site work conditions is excessive.

The government services you are counting on existing are getting degraded because of the push to RTO in order to get people to quit. I hope you like the suffering of people you envy more than you like your parents being able to sign up for social security.

OH PLEASE!!!!!!!!!! Take responsibility for your own actions. If you quit your amazing government job because you are too lazy to get your ass to the office, that's on YOU. Just ask thousands of feds who were fired and would love to have your job.

Your deep experience doing federal technical hiring really shines through here.

About as much as your clueless entitlement. You're not that special, princess.

It took me a week to get another well paying fully remote job offer. I'm going to be fine, but the work I do isn't going to be done by anyone else, and I'm sad about that.

Meanwhile, we are trying to hire for two lawyer positions in my organization, and the quality of candidates we are getting is MILES better than just two years ago. And we are 4 days in the office. But good for you?

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Anonymous wrote:Those who insist on terminating TW are usually old men, people without children, or those who never did much childrearing. This generation of parents actually wants to spend time with their kids, we want to be able to cook a home cook meal several times a week, and see them after work for more than an hour, we don't want to be shitty/absent parents. TW simply gives us two hours of our lives back (at least!), time we can dedicate to our families and not commuting.

We are the generation that deeply understands why birthrates are going down. A society that refuses to support parents is doomed, young people will look at us and say "hard pass".

This has been definitely true for DH's office. The retiring Boomers seem to be the last generation hardcore into in-office work. Xers on down, not so much.

I can’t think of anyone in my office of any age who likes full time RTO.

Before 2025, my office had the option to work in the office or fully remote. Only around 10% chose to come into the office and of those, they were older and/or didn't have children at home. Due to such a dramatic difference, I can't imagine that RTO is dead forever. It will gradually come back when the boomers move on, though that could take another decade.

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Anonymous wrote:Those who insist on terminating TW are usually old men, people without children, or those who never did much childrearing. This generation of parents actually wants to spend time with their kids, we want to be able to cook a home cook meal several times a week, and see them after work for more than an hour, we don't want to be shitty/absent parents. TW simply gives us two hours of our lives back (at least!), time we can dedicate to our families and not commuting.

We are the generation that deeply understands why birthrates are going down. A society that refuses to support parents is doomed, young people will look at us and say "hard pass".

This has been definitely true for DH's office. The retiring Boomers seem to be the last generation hardcore into in-office work. Xers on down, not so much.

I can’t think of anyone in my office of any age who likes full time RTO.

Before 2025, my office had the option to work in the office or fully remote. Only around 10% chose to come into the office and of those, they were older and/or didn't have children at home. Due to such a dramatic difference, I can't imagine that RTO is dead forever. It will gradually come back when the boomers move on, though that could take another decade.

It's not so much that most of us like it, but we are honest enough to recognize it has benefits. Hybrid approach is probably most beneficial for all.

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Anonymous wrote:IF folks think they do their jobs 100% remote, then why do we need to keep jobs in US? I'm sur companies can get cheaper and smarter labor overseas. Especially Asian countries.

My govt job requires work to be done by a US citizen. It will never get outsourced.

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Anonymous wrote:Those who insist on terminating TW are usually old men, people without children, or those who never did much childrearing. This generation of parents actually wants to spend time with their kids, we want to be able to cook a home cook meal several times a week, and see them after work for more than an hour, we don't want to be shitty/absent parents. TW simply gives us two hours of our lives back (at least!), time we can dedicate to our families and not commuting.

We are the generation that deeply understands why birthrates are going down. A society that refuses to support parents is doomed, young people will look at us and say "hard pass".

This has been definitely true for DH's office. The retiring Boomers seem to be the last generation hardcore into in-office work. Xers on down, not so much.

I can’t think of anyone in my office of any age who likes full time RTO.

Before 2025, my office had the option to work in the office or fully remote. Only around 10% chose to come into the office and of those, they were older and/or didn't have children at home. Due to such a dramatic difference, I can't imagine that RTO is dead forever. It will gradually come back when the boomers move on, though that could take another decade.

It's not so much that most of us like it, but we are honest enough to recognize it has benefits. Hybrid approach is probably most beneficial for all.

Maybe to your job requires team collaboration, but our office is mainly individual contributor type work. I will admit it's nice to catch up on non related work gossip and happenings, but that is not a necessary function.

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Anonymous wrote:Those who insist on terminating TW are usually old men, people without children, or those who never did much childrearing. This generation of parents actually wants to spend time with their kids, we want to be able to cook a home cook meal several times a week, and see them after work for more than an hour, we don't want to be shitty/absent parents. TW simply gives us two hours of our lives back (at least!), time we can dedicate to our families and not commuting.

We are the generation that deeply understands why birthrates are going down. A society that refuses to support parents is doomed, young people will look at us and say "hard pass".

This has been definitely true for DH's office. The retiring Boomers seem to be the last generation hardcore into in-office work. Xers on down, not so much.

I can’t think of anyone in my office of any age who likes full time RTO.

Before 2025, my office had the option to work in the office or fully remote. Only around 10% chose to come into the office and of those, they were older and/or didn't have children at home. Due to such a dramatic difference, I can't imagine that RTO is dead forever. It will gradually come back when the boomers move on, though that could take another decade.

It's not so much that most of us like it, but we are honest enough to recognize it has benefits. Hybrid approach is probably most beneficial for all.

Maybe to your job requires team collaboration, but our office is mainly individual contributor type work. I will admit it's nice to catch up on non related work gossip and happenings, but that is not a necessary function.

It's amazing how virtually everyone that posts about this is "an individual contributor," but somehow all of your employers disagree. Why is that? It's truly a conundrum.

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When companies I worked at did RTO is was very very very very very very helpful for international staff, I had a few former students who graduated from 2020 to 2023 who never sat foot in a office in the US. Literally there first two week in office learned more than in prior three years.

How much? One guy thought Hamburgers had Ham in them. He did not eat pork and he never ate one as thought it had pork in it. That is just tip of iceberg.

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Anonymous wrote:Those who insist on terminating TW are usually old men, people without children, or those who never did much childrearing. This generation of parents actually wants to spend time with their kids, we want to be able to cook a home cook meal several times a week, and see them after work for more than an hour, we don't want to be shitty/absent parents. TW simply gives us two hours of our lives back (at least!), time we can dedicate to our families and not commuting.

We are the generation that deeply understands why birthrates are going down. A society that refuses to support parents is doomed, young people will look at us and say "hard pass".

This has been definitely true for DH's office. The retiring Boomers seem to be the last generation hardcore into in-office work. Xers on down, not so much.

I can’t think of anyone in my office of any age who likes full time RTO.

Before 2025, my office had the option to work in the office or fully remote. Only around 10% chose to come into the office and of those, they were older and/or didn't have children at home. Due to such a dramatic difference, I can't imagine that RTO is dead forever. It will gradually come back when the boomers move on, though that could take another decade.

When one orange boomer and his minions move on, you mean.

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If employers want to go back to 1995, I'm going back to 1995 too.

No overtime without overtime pay, no checking email on weekends, I do my 8 hours 5 days a week and take my 30 minute lunch break outside the building and that's it.

It's what you have to do to be able to just do other basic activities of living if employers won't be flexible.

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Anonymous wrote:Those who insist on terminating TW are usually old men, people without children, or those who never did much childrearing. This generation of parents actually wants to spend time with their kids, we want to be able to cook a home cook meal several times a week, and see them after work for more than an hour, we don't want to be shitty/absent parents. TW simply gives us two hours of our lives back (at least!), time we can dedicate to our families and not commuting.

We are the generation that deeply understands why birthrates are going down. A society that refuses to support parents is doomed, young people will look at us and say "hard pass".

This has been definitely true for DH's office. The retiring Boomers seem to be the last generation hardcore into in-office work. Xers on down, not so much.

I can’t think of anyone in my office of any age who likes full time RTO.

Before 2025, my office had the option to work in the office or fully remote. Only around 10% chose to come into the office and of those, they were older and/or didn't have children at home. Due to such a dramatic difference, I can't imagine that RTO is dead forever. It will gradually come back when the boomers move on, though that could take another decade.

When one orange boomer and his minions move on, you mean.

I work for a fortune 150 and we went back 4 days before he got reelected. But I give you that the feds did not.

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Anonymous wrote:If employers want to go back to 1995, I'm going back to 1995 too.

No overtime without overtime pay, no checking email on weekends, I do my 8 hours 5 days a week and take my 30 minute lunch break outside the building and that's it.

It's what you have to do to be able to just do other basic activities of living if employers won't be flexible.

I love how most of you are picking arbitrary dates in the past. It's trilly hilarious and entertaining.

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Anonymous wrote:Those who insist on terminating TW are usually old men, people without children, or those who never did much childrearing. This generation of parents actually wants to spend time with their kids, we want to be able to cook a home cook meal several times a week, and see them after work for more than an hour, we don't want to be shitty/absent parents. TW simply gives us two hours of our lives back (at least!), time we can dedicate to our families and not commuting.

We are the generation that deeply understands why birthrates are going down. A society that refuses to support parents is doomed, young people will look at us and say "hard pass".

This has been definitely true for DH's office. The retiring Boomers seem to be the last generation hardcore into in-office work. Xers on down, not so much.

I can’t think of anyone in my office of any age who likes full time RTO.

Before 2025, my office had the option to work in the office or fully remote. Only around 10% chose to come into the office and of those, they were older and/or didn't have children at home. Due to such a dramatic difference, I can't imagine that RTO is dead forever. It will gradually come back when the boomers move on, though that could take another decade.

It's not so much that most of us like it, but we are honest enough to recognize it has benefits. Hybrid approach is probably most beneficial for all.

Maybe to your job requires team collaboration, but our office is mainly individual contributor type work. I will admit it's nice to catch up on non related work gossip and happenings, but that is not a necessary function.

It's amazing how virtually everyone that posts about this is "an individual contributor," but somehow all of your employers disagree. Why is that? It's truly a conundrum.

The leadership at multiple levels who are actually familiar with the work we do support remote work for our office. We do have productivity figures to prove we weren't just twiddling our thumbs. The problem is there is an EO from one person who doesnt know anything about how my office functions in the way.

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We are the generation that deeply understands why birthrates are going down. A society that refuses to support parents is doomed, young people will look at us and say "hard pass".

I’m a teacher and can’t stay at home. I rather resent the notion that I’m a “shitty/absent parent” because of my job.

Teachers need not chime in, they leave work at 345 everyday, and get 16 weeks of paid vacation-- ( I get that its a low paid job), but the time off is essentially equivalent to working like 3-4 day weeks all year for the rest of us.

Yes, good idea not to chime in if you’re missing facts. I’m not leaving anywhere close to 3:45 because my school, like many, doesn’t even dismiss until after 4:00. We get paid for none of our breaks and I’m not sure who is getting 16 weeks off.

Not a cushy job with few work days and short hours. There’s a reason that the current teacher shortage exists.

You like to insert yourself a lot in these threads. I’m not sure why but you seem to want to compare every job to being a teacher.

That was my first post in this thread, or any RTO thread, for that matter. There’s more than one of us out there. Just getting tired of all of the posters that think we have such a cushy job and finally decided to post.

The whining from people who suddenly have to join the rest of us with on site work conditions is excessive.

The government services you are counting on existing are getting degraded because of the push to RTO in order to get people to quit. I hope you like the suffering of people you envy more than you like your parents being able to sign up for social security.

OH PLEASE!!!!!!!!!! Take responsibility for your own actions. If you quit your amazing government job because you are too lazy to get your ass to the office, that's on YOU. Just ask thousands of feds who were fired and would love to have your job.

Your funeral.

I'm not worried. Someone else will want the pension and the benefits you have.

they are cutting those, you know.

BS and you know it. You're still going to get a pension.

I didn't say cutting completely. But you aren't paying attention to the House proposals to reduce federal retirement benefits to help fund tax cuts for millionaires:
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/federal-workers-face-slashed-benefits-to-pay-for-trump-tax-cuts

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Anonymous wrote:Those who insist on terminating TW are usually old men, people without children, or those who never did much childrearing. This generation of parents actually wants to spend time with their kids, we want to be able to cook a home cook meal several times a week, and see them after work for more than an hour, we don't want to be shitty/absent parents. TW simply gives us two hours of our lives back (at least!), time we can dedicate to our families and not commuting.

We are the generation that deeply understands why birthrates are going down. A society that refuses to support parents is doomed, young people will look at us and say "hard pass".

This has been definitely true for DH's office. The retiring Boomers seem to be the last generation hardcore into in-office work. Xers on down, not so much.

I can’t think of anyone in my office of any age who likes full time RTO.

Before 2025, my office had the option to work in the office or fully remote. Only around 10% chose to come into the office and of those, they were older and/or didn't have children at home. Due to such a dramatic difference, I can't imagine that RTO is dead forever. It will gradually come back when the boomers move on, though that could take another decade.

When one orange boomer and his minions move on, you mean.

I work for a fortune 150 and we went back 4 days before he got reelected. But I give you that the feds did not.

everyone I know that is "in office" has a ton of flexibility around it -- they go in for maybe 4 hours and then telework the others. Also, 4 =/= 5.