The official Girls Weekend Jefferson Cup thread

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Anonymous wrote:In a heartbeat

I highly doubt it, since there is nothing gained and no development happening in 18-0 and 14-0 games. (And to the “but they didn’t know!” people, if as someone else posted most of those kids play for 2014 or 2015 boys teams, pretty sure they did know what was going to happen)

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Yes, they came to win and they did. Did you want them to win less, would that make you feel better? No one flies in hoping to play weak teams.

I bet they balled out, had fun and are moving on to the next and you all are here hating on their success and pontificating about their development. If they’re better than your kid, they might just be doing something right.

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Anonymous wrote:In a heartbeat

I highly doubt it, since there is nothing gained and no development happening in 18-0 and 14-0 games. (And to the “but they didn’t know!” people, if as someone else posted most of those kids play for 2014 or 2015 boys teams, pretty sure they did know what was going to happen)

Development doesn't happen at tournaments, it happens at training and practices. With losses like these, parents in this area should be waking up to what their club soccer and private training fees are paying for at these younger ages.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, they came to win and they did. Did you want them to win less, would that make you feel better? No one flies in hoping to play weak teams.

I bet they balled out, had fun and are moving on to the next and you all are here hating on their success and pontificating about their development. If they’re better than your kid, they might just be doing something right.

So, the skill & value in this organization is having the ability to recruit the best 10 year olds in the country for a weekend? Not trying to be facetious just trying to figure out how anyone other than organizer is benefiting in a substantive way.

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Anonymous wrote:In a heartbeat

I highly doubt it, since there is nothing gained and no development happening in 18-0 and 14-0 games. (And to the “but they didn’t know!” people, if as someone else posted most of those kids play for 2014 or 2015 boys teams, pretty sure they did know what was going to happen)

Development doesn't happen at tournaments, it happens at training and practices. With losses like these, parents in this area should be waking up to what their club soccer and private training fees are paying for at these younger ages.

Not every team in a metro area can have elite talent at every position in u-little soccer. There are always going to be levels to it. Looking at the scores, one of those teams ballers played got scored 0-7 in their consolation game and the coach probably, and rightfully so, pulled back. That bracket just had teams that shouldn’t have been in the top division.

The idea that poorly-seeded clubs are at fault for losing to a national “all-star” team of guest players is silly. If anything, ballers underperformed against a local club in the semis.

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Anonymous wrote:In a heartbeat

I highly doubt it, since there is nothing gained and no development happening in 18-0 and 14-0 games. (And to the “but they didn’t know!” people, if as someone else posted most of those kids play for 2014 or 2015 boys teams, pretty sure they did know what was going to happen)

Development doesn't happen at tournaments, it happens at training and practices. With losses like these, parents in this area should be waking up to what their club soccer and private training fees are paying for at these younger ages.

Not every team in a metro area can have elite talent at every position in u-little soccer. There are always going to be levels to it. Looking at the scores, one of those teams ballers played got scored 0-7 in their consolation game and the coach probably, and rightfully so, pulled back. That bracket just had teams that shouldn’t have been in the top division.

The idea that poorly-seeded clubs are at fault for losing to a national “all-star” team of guest players is silly. If anything, ballers underperformed against a local club in the semis.

These are very good points. Bashing the clubs that played against Ballers Elite makes no sense, as any all-star team with each position hand-selected would clearly be expected to win by large margins. I watched a lot of their semifinal while my daughter was warming up for a consolation game, and Ballers Elite got 3 or 4 unnecessary goals in that looked like communication errors by the Bethesda team. That’s part of the game, and those goals count just as much as bangers, but it looked to me like it could have been a 3-0 or 4-0 game and not 7. At the end of the day, I think the entity this reflects poorly on is Jeff Cup. I’m not sure how a previously nonexistent team with no historical data was placed in the top flight. This suggests that Jeff Cup somehow had an understanding of this team and the quality of the players selected, but still thought it was appropriate to put them in a bracket that resulted in blowouts. Yeah u10 parents possibly trophy-chasing or whatever was happening with Ballers Elite forming/traveling for Jeff Cup feels unusual, but it’s not on the kids it is on Jeff Cup to vet and bracket appropriately.

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Anonymous wrote:In a heartbeat

I highly doubt it, since there is nothing gained and no development happening in 18-0 and 14-0 games. (And to the “but they didn’t know!” people, if as someone else posted most of those kids play for 2014 or 2015 boys teams, pretty sure they did know what was going to happen)

Development doesn't happen at tournaments, it happens at training and practices. With losses like these, parents in this area should be waking up to what their club soccer and private training fees are paying for at these younger ages.

Not every team in a metro area can have elite talent at every position in u-little soccer. There are always going to be levels to it. Looking at the scores, one of those teams ballers played got scored 0-7 in their consolation game and the coach probably, and rightfully so, pulled back. That bracket just had teams that shouldn’t have been in the top division.

The idea that poorly-seeded clubs are at fault for losing to a national “all-star” team of guest players is silly. If anything, ballers underperformed against a local club in the semis.

true, local clubs aren't at fault for being incorrectly placed in the top bracket. That's on the tournament organizers . And also agreed not every local team will have talent at every position. That was the point though of pp. Parents in this area are paying thousands a year to local clubs and trainers. Spending so much time and money. Why aren't they able to properly compete against a team of "all star" talent? Is it poor coaching, poor training, poorly rostered teams, kids in multiple sports with parents that don't care until they get destroyed at a tournament?? honestly just curious. Reading these threads, as a parent with a younger player, it seems overall that the dmv has a harder time (apart from some exceptional teams) competing nationally.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In a heartbeat

I highly doubt it, since there is nothing gained and no development happening in 18-0 and 14-0 games. (And to the “but they didn’t know!” people, if as someone else posted most of those kids play for 2014 or 2015 boys teams, pretty sure they did know what was going to happen)

Development doesn't happen at tournaments, it happens at training and practices. With losses like these, parents in this area should be waking up to what their club soccer and private training fees are paying for at these younger ages.

Not every team in a metro area can have elite talent at every position in u-little soccer. There are always going to be levels to it. Looking at the scores, one of those teams ballers played got scored 0-7 in their consolation game and the coach probably, and rightfully so, pulled back. That bracket just had teams that shouldn’t have been in the top division.

The idea that poorly-seeded clubs are at fault for losing to a national “all-star” team of guest players is silly. If anything, ballers underperformed against a local club in the semis.

true, local clubs aren't at fault for being incorrectly placed in the top bracket. That's on the tournament organizers . And also agreed not every local team will have talent at every position. That was the point though of pp. Parents in this area are paying thousands a year to local clubs and trainers. Spending so much time and money. Why aren't they able to properly compete against a team of "all star" talent? Is it poor coaching, poor training, poorly rostered teams, kids in multiple sports with parents that don't care until they get destroyed at a tournament?? honestly just curious. Reading these threads, as a parent with a younger player, it seems overall that the dmv has a harder time (apart from some exceptional teams) competing nationally.

You answered your own question. “Not every local team will have talent at every position” and could be “incorrectly placed in the top bracket.” That’s why a select team from across the country will do so well.

The bigger question is pay to play. Too many clubs with too many teams and diluted rosters and coaching staff. This is the landscape and not new, but obvious when kids fly in from around the country to exploit it. And honestly, seems like they really aren’t that good given these facts. Wonder what the score was at the half in the semis?

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Anonymous wrote:In a heartbeat

I highly doubt it, since there is nothing gained and no development happening in 18-0 and 14-0 games. (And to the “but they didn’t know!” people, if as someone else posted most of those kids play for 2014 or 2015 boys teams, pretty sure they did know what was going to happen)

Development doesn't happen at tournaments, it happens at training and practices. With losses like these, parents in this area should be waking up to what their club soccer and private training fees are paying for at these younger ages.

Not every team in a metro area can have elite talent at every position in u-little soccer. There are always going to be levels to it. Looking at the scores, one of those teams ballers played got scored 0-7 in their consolation game and the coach probably, and rightfully so, pulled back. That bracket just had teams that shouldn’t have been in the top division.

The idea that poorly-seeded clubs are at fault for losing to a national “all-star” team of guest players is silly. If anything, ballers underperformed against a local club in the semis.

so if this all star team loses, which has happened in the past, are we still having this conversation?


true, local clubs aren't at fault for being incorrectly placed in the top bracket. That's on the tournament organizers . And also agreed not every local team will have talent at every position. That was the point though of pp. Parents in this area are paying thousands a year to local clubs and trainers. Spending so much time and money. Why aren't they able to properly compete against a team of "all star" talent? Is it poor coaching, poor training, poorly rostered teams, kids in multiple sports with parents that don't care until they get destroyed at a tournament?? honestly just curious. Reading these threads, as a parent with a younger player, it seems overall that the dmv has a harder time (apart from some exceptional teams) competing nationally.

You answered your own question. “Not every local team will have talent at every position” and could be “incorrectly placed in the top bracket.” That’s why a select team from across the country will do so well.

The bigger question is pay to play. Too many clubs with too many teams and diluted rosters and coaching staff. This is the landscape and not new, but obvious when kids fly in from around the country to exploit it. And honestly, seems like they really aren’t that good given these facts. Wonder what the score was at the half in the semis?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In a heartbeat

I highly doubt it, since there is nothing gained and no development happening in 18-0 and 14-0 games. (And to the “but they didn’t know!” people, if as someone else posted most of those kids play for 2014 or 2015 boys teams, pretty sure they did know what was going to happen)

Development doesn't happen at tournaments, it happens at training and practices. With losses like these, parents in this area should be waking up to what their club soccer and private training fees are paying for at these younger ages.

Not every team in a metro area can have elite talent at every position in u-little soccer. There are always going to be levels to it. Looking at the scores, one of those teams ballers played got scored 0-7 in their consolation game and the coach probably, and rightfully so, pulled back. That bracket just had teams that shouldn’t have been in the top division.

The idea that poorly-seeded clubs are at fault for losing to a national “all-star” team of guest players is silly. If anything, ballers underperformed against a local club in the semis.

true, local clubs aren't at fault for being incorrectly placed in the top bracket. That's on the tournament organizers . And also agreed not every local team will have talent at every position. That was the point though of pp. Parents in this area are paying thousands a year to local clubs and trainers. Spending so much time and money. Why aren't they able to properly compete against a team of "all star" talent? Is it poor coaching, poor training, poorly rostered teams, kids in multiple sports with parents that don't care until they get destroyed at a tournament?? honestly just curious. Reading these threads, as a parent with a younger player, it seems overall that the dmv has a harder time (apart from some exceptional teams) competing nationally.

You answered your own question. “Not every local team will have talent at every position” and could be “incorrectly placed in the top bracket.” That’s why a select team from across the country will do so well.

The bigger question is pay to play. Too many clubs with too many teams and diluted rosters and coaching staff. This is the landscape and not new, but obvious when kids fly in from around the country to exploit it. And honestly, seems like they really aren’t that good given these facts. Wonder what the score was at the half in the semis?

so if this all star team loses, which has happened in the past, are we still having this conversation?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In a heartbeat

I highly doubt it, since there is nothing gained and no development happening in 18-0 and 14-0 games. (And to the “but they didn’t know!” people, if as someone else posted most of those kids play for 2014 or 2015 boys teams, pretty sure they did know what was going to happen)

Development doesn't happen at tournaments, it happens at training and practices. With losses like these, parents in this area should be waking up to what their club soccer and private training fees are paying for at these younger ages.

Not every team in a metro area can have elite talent at every position in u-little soccer. There are always going to be levels to it. Looking at the scores, one of those teams ballers played got scored 0-7 in their consolation game and the coach probably, and rightfully so, pulled back. That bracket just had teams that shouldn’t have been in the top division.

The idea that poorly-seeded clubs are at fault for losing to a national “all-star” team of guest players is silly. If anything, ballers underperformed against a local club in the semis.

true, local clubs aren't at fault for being incorrectly placed in the top bracket. That's on the tournament organizers . And also agreed not every local team will have talent at every position. That was the point though of pp. Parents in this area are paying thousands a year to local clubs and trainers. Spending so much time and money. Why aren't they able to properly compete against a team of "all star" talent? Is it poor coaching, poor training, poorly rostered teams, kids in multiple sports with parents that don't care until they get destroyed at a tournament?? honestly just curious. Reading these threads, as a parent with a younger player, it seems overall that the dmv has a harder time (apart from some exceptional teams) competing nationally.

It’s fine to examine whether our local teams can compete nationally against real teams representing their real clubs, but that doesn’t quite apply in this scenario. As the earlier posters noted, each team will have their weaknesses, no matter how good they are. Every coach is limited to the player pool that lives close enough to show up to their tryouts and play for their teams. Most club teams will not have some kind of elite starting lineup for every position show up to tryouts (and, whatever talent there is gets spread out between the local clubs). For the Ballers Elite situation, you had a coach who was not geographically limited in his player pool. He could choose his favorite striker from California, his favorite CAM from the Midwest, his favorite winger from the east coast, and so on, to appear together for this one tournament and then go back to their home states. It’s not really fair to judge any local, real team against a team that is put together in that way.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In a heartbeat

I highly doubt it, since there is nothing gained and no development happening in 18-0 and 14-0 games. (And to the “but they didn’t know!” people, if as someone else posted most of those kids play for 2014 or 2015 boys teams, pretty sure they did know what was going to happen)

Development doesn't happen at tournaments, it happens at training and practices. With losses like these, parents in this area should be waking up to what their club soccer and private training fees are paying for at these younger ages.

Not every team in a metro area can have elite talent at every position in u-little soccer. There are always going to be levels to it. Looking at the scores, one of those teams ballers played got scored 0-7 in their consolation game and the coach probably, and rightfully so, pulled back. That bracket just had teams that shouldn’t have been in the top division.

The idea that poorly-seeded clubs are at fault for losing to a national “all-star” team of guest players is silly. If anything, ballers underperformed against a local club in the semis.

true, local clubs aren't at fault for being incorrectly placed in the top bracket. That's on the tournament organizers . And also agreed not every local team will have talent at every position. That was the point though of pp. Parents in this area are paying thousands a year to local clubs and trainers. Spending so much time and money. Why aren't they able to properly compete against a team of "all star" talent? Is it poor coaching, poor training, poorly rostered teams, kids in multiple sports with parents that don't care until they get destroyed at a tournament?? honestly just curious. Reading these threads, as a parent with a younger player, it seems overall that the dmv has a harder time (apart from some exceptional teams) competing nationally.

It’s fine to examine whether our local teams can compete nationally against real teams representing their real clubs, but that doesn’t quite apply in this scenario. As the earlier posters noted, each team will have their weaknesses, no matter how good they are. Every coach is limited to the player pool that lives close enough to show up to their tryouts and play for their teams. Most club teams will not have some kind of elite starting lineup for every position show up to tryouts (and, whatever talent there is gets spread out between the local clubs). For the Ballers Elite situation, you had a coach who was not geographically limited in his player pool. He could choose his favorite striker from California, his favorite CAM from the Midwest, his favorite winger from the east coast, and so on, to appear together for this one tournament and then go back to their home states. It’s not really fair to judge any local, real team against a team that is put together in that way.

but this problem could be fixed if clubs recruiting the best players for the top team. Who isnt on a top team and see players overlooked coming from outside of the club that dont get selected due to political reasons?

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Anonymous wrote:In a heartbeat

I highly doubt it, since there is nothing gained and no development happening in 18-0 and 14-0 games. (And to the “but they didn’t know!” people, if as someone else posted most of those kids play for 2014 or 2015 boys teams, pretty sure they did know what was going to happen)

Development doesn't happen at tournaments, it happens at training and practices. With losses like these, parents in this area should be waking up to what their club soccer and private training fees are paying for at these younger ages.

Not every team in a metro area can have elite talent at every position in u-little soccer. There are always going to be levels to it. Looking at the scores, one of those teams ballers played got scored 0-7 in their consolation game and the coach probably, and rightfully so, pulled back. That bracket just had teams that shouldn’t have been in the top division.

The idea that poorly-seeded clubs are at fault for losing to a national “all-star” team of guest players is silly. If anything, ballers underperformed against a local club in the semis.

true, local clubs aren't at fault for being incorrectly placed in the top bracket. That's on the tournament organizers . And also agreed not every local team will have talent at every position. That was the point though of pp. Parents in this area are paying thousands a year to local clubs and trainers. Spending so much time and money. Why aren't they able to properly compete against a team of "all star" talent? Is it poor coaching, poor training, poorly rostered teams, kids in multiple sports with parents that don't care until they get destroyed at a tournament?? honestly just curious. Reading these threads, as a parent with a younger player, it seems overall that the dmv has a harder time (apart from some exceptional teams) competing nationally.

It’s fine to examine whether our local teams can compete nationally against real teams representing their real clubs, but that doesn’t quite apply in this scenario. As the earlier posters noted, each team will have their weaknesses, no matter how good they are. Every coach is limited to the player pool that lives close enough to show up to their tryouts and play for their teams. Most club teams will not have some kind of elite starting lineup for every position show up to tryouts (and, whatever talent there is gets spread out between the local clubs). For the Ballers Elite situation, you had a coach who was not geographically limited in his player pool. He could choose his favorite striker from California, his favorite CAM from the Midwest, his favorite winger from the east coast, and so on, to appear together for this one tournament and then go back to their home states. It’s not really fair to judge any local, real team against a team that is put together in that way.

I have seen several of teams like baller elite in competition. Sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn’t. Kids who don’t practice together generally doesn’t play as a team but a good individual player and as young as the 2015 group, it just easier to score when the other team isn’t as good individually and on a smaller field.

They don’t always win the tournament with the best players if they can’t work together as a team. This is the same as some other coach who has all stars teams in tournaments and they don’t always win.

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Anonymous wrote:In a heartbeat

I highly doubt it, since there is nothing gained and no development happening in 18-0 and 14-0 games. (And to the “but they didn’t know!” people, if as someone else posted most of those kids play for 2014 or 2015 boys teams, pretty sure they did know what was going to happen)

Development doesn't happen at tournaments, it happens at training and practices. With losses like these, parents in this area should be waking up to what their club soccer and private training fees are paying for at these younger ages.

Not every team in a metro area can have elite talent at every position in u-little soccer. There are always going to be levels to it. Looking at the scores, one of those teams ballers played got scored 0-7 in their consolation game and the coach probably, and rightfully so, pulled back. That bracket just had teams that shouldn’t have been in the top division.

The idea that poorly-seeded clubs are at fault for losing to a national “all-star” team of guest players is silly. If anything, ballers underperformed against a local club in the semis.

true, local clubs aren't at fault for being incorrectly placed in the top bracket. That's on the tournament organizers . And also agreed not every local team will have talent at every position. That was the point though of pp. Parents in this area are paying thousands a year to local clubs and trainers. Spending so much time and money. Why aren't they able to properly compete against a team of "all star" talent? Is it poor coaching, poor training, poorly rostered teams, kids in multiple sports with parents that don't care until they get destroyed at a tournament?? honestly just curious. Reading these threads, as a parent with a younger player, it seems overall that the dmv has a harder time (apart from some exceptional teams) competing nationally.

It’s fine to examine whether our local teams can compete nationally against real teams representing their real clubs, but that doesn’t quite apply in this scenario. As the earlier posters noted, each team will have their weaknesses, no matter how good they are. Every coach is limited to the player pool that lives close enough to show up to their tryouts and play for their teams. Most club teams will not have some kind of elite starting lineup for every position show up to tryouts (and, whatever talent there is gets spread out between the local clubs). For the Ballers Elite situation, you had a coach who was not geographically limited in his player pool. He could choose his favorite striker from California, his favorite CAM from the Midwest, his favorite winger from the east coast, and so on, to appear together for this one tournament and then go back to their home states. It’s not really fair to judge any local, real team against a team that is put together in that way.

I have seen several of teams like baller elite in competition. Sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn’t. Kids who don’t practice together generally doesn’t play as a team but a good individual player and as young as the 2015 group, it just easier to score when the other team isn’t as good individually and on a smaller field.

They don’t always win the tournament with the best players if they can’t work together as a team. This is the same as some other coach who has all stars teams in tournaments and they don’t always win.

I agree with the bolded and I'll add many of the top U10 teams have a weaker than average goalkeeper and defense because they just don't get tested as often. And when they do get tested, they can crumble easily.

[Anonymous]

LOL, 13 pages about U13 girls soccer. I remember those days when I thought it mattered. Don’t get to worked up about it. It’s not worth your time or energy.