Gene Hackman R.I.P.

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Anonymous wrote:so bizarre my elderly family loves calls and visits but we are close.

your elderly parent married to someone in their 60s loves calls from 3 kids daily?

my mother loves calls and visits but she lives alone and is very dependent on my sister and me

My mother is older than Hackman and I don’t call her every day or every week. She’s busy and so am I. Get over your judgmental small minded selves.

So she could die, and you wouldn't know for a week?

DP, but so what? Mom is still dead regardless of whether you know the minute after it happens or a month later.

We don’t know whether he died instantly or died of dehydration after lying there for a few days, or similar.

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But the dog and wife died too. All at the same time?

They ruled out monoxide and nat gas.

Poisoned? On purpose? And dog happened to eat it too?

It was a boulder.

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Anonymous wrote:so bizarre my elderly family loves calls and visits but we are close.

your elderly parent married to someone in their 60s loves calls from 3 kids daily?

my mother loves calls and visits but she lives alone and is very dependent on my sister and me

My mother is older than Hackman and I don’t call her every day or every week. She’s busy and so am I. Get over your judgmental small minded selves.

So she could die, and you wouldn't know for a week?

DP, but so what? Mom is still dead regardless of whether you know the minute after it happens or a month later.

We don’t know whether he died instantly or died of dehydration after lying there for a few days, or similar.

+1 Exactly

But the dog and wife died too. All at the same time?

They ruled out monoxide and nat gas.

Poisoned? On purpose? And dog happened to eat it too?

It sounds like the dog was crated. If you crate a dog for 9 days they will die of dehydration.

I'm very paranoid about something happening to me and the dog being left unattended for days before someone realizes something is amiss. I'm more worried about the dog than myself.

The two dogs who weren't caged were fine. Don't put your dog in a cage and you don't have to worry about this.

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Anonymous wrote:So sad. I’m thinking that he probably died first, and she went next, heartbroken. So very sad.

I'm pretty sure it was vice versa. Because he had the door open, and the medications she was taking were just usual daily medications. Not the kind you would take for an intentional overdose. 60-something year old women die of heart attacks all the time, especially if they have high blood pressure which she did. The blood pressure meds also indicate it could have been a stroke.

That seems possible. Was she his caretaker? That can take a lot out of a person, especially since all communication to him went through her since he didn't have email or a cell phone. That's a lot to put on another person.

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Anonymous wrote:so bizarre my elderly family loves calls and visits but we are close.

your elderly parent married to someone in their 60s loves calls from 3 kids daily?

my mother loves calls and visits but she lives alone and is very dependent on my sister and me

My mother is older than Hackman and I don’t call her every day or every week. She’s busy and so am I. Get over your judgmental small minded selves.

So she could die, and you wouldn't know for a week?

DP, but so what? Mom is still dead regardless of whether you know the minute after it happens or a month later.

We don’t know whether he died instantly or died of dehydration after lying there for a few days, or similar.

Presumably, they had their cell phones in their pocket. Neither Gene or wife Betsy called for help?

Curious what their cell phones will reveal

In an interview with one of his Santa Fe friends of 30 years, the friend said Gene didn't have a cell phone or email, so all communication went through his wife. If Betsy had some sort of cardiac/health event, Gene may have locked up the dog, then gone to get help and unfortunately, had a fall/his own medical crisis.

I find it hard to believe he had no cell or email.

And why crate a dog when you're at home? Or crate at all (unless it was a puppy - which I find hard to believe a 95 yr old man would have).

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a bit surprised they didn't have a housekeeper or anyone else to help them around their home and property.

Agree the most likely explanation is she died suddenly and he fell shortly after and couldn't get back up. Very, very sad.

I find it strange too. My parents are not famous or wealthy, but they have a home aid come in every day for 8 hours.

Yes, with their resources you think they’d have some sort of regular help.

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Anonymous wrote:Sad that he was 95 and none of his three kids checked up on him for over two weeks.

I would not judge. If all the children are out of contact, that could be due to his behavior. None of us know why they didn't call more often, so let's not assume who is the guilty party for that.

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Anonymous wrote:Sad that he was 95 and none of his three kids checked up on him for over two weeks.

Yes. I can't imagine not checking up on my elderly mother for even a day.

I don’t check up on my elderly parents because they’re MAGA who have repeatedly voted to ruin their grandkids’ futures.

Sometimes the kids have their reasons.

Except the kids are quoted as saying they had a close relationship. Sounds like you don’t so it’s a different situation.

I also wouldn’t drag my parents to the media if they were famous. Did it occur to you that the kids might think their relationship with their dad isn’t the public’s business and they don’t feel the need to add unnecessary drama?

Yeah. Why believe they had a close relationship? Maybe they didn't like the much younger wife. Maybe Hackman was rude. Maybe the wife was mean. Maybe GH abused or neglected them? Maybe he had dementia and screamed at them like my dad did. We don't know.

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Anonymous wrote:Sad that he was 95 and none of his three kids checked up on him for over two weeks.

I would not judge. If all the children are out of contact, that could be due to his behavior. None of us know why they didn't call more often, so let's not assume who is the guilty party for that.

Just lame excuses.

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Outlets are cutting out a lot of what daughter Leslie said. Here’s a more complete example:

“Despite his age, he was in very good physical condition,” Leslie said about her father, adding that he did not have any major surgeries in the last few months before his death. “He liked to do Pilates and yoga, and he was continuing to do that several times a week. So he was in good health.”

Given that Hackman was 95 years old, Leslie is aware that it’s “not terribly shocking.” But Arakawa’s death at 63 poses more questions. She said the two had “a wonderful marriage,” adding: “And I give credit to his wife, Betsy, for keeping him alive.”

“[Betsy] took very, very good care of him and was always looking out for his health,” Leslie added. “So I am appreciative to her for that, and I’m very saddened by her passing.”

Doesn’t seem like there was ill will with Betsy.

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Anonymous wrote:Outlets are cutting out a lot of what daughter Leslie said. Here’s a more complete example:

“Despite his age, he was in very good physical condition,” Leslie said about her father, adding that he did not have any major surgeries in the last few months before his death. “He liked to do Pilates and yoga, and he was continuing to do that several times a week. So he was in good health.”

Given that Hackman was 95 years old, Leslie is aware that it’s “not terribly shocking.” But Arakawa’s death at 63 poses more questions. She said the two had “a wonderful marriage,” adding: “And I give credit to his wife, Betsy, for keeping him alive.”

“[Betsy] took very, very good care of him and was always looking out for his health,” Leslie added. “So I am appreciative to her for that, and I’m very saddened by her passing.”

Doesn’t seem like there was ill will with Betsy.

I'm glad no ill well towards Betsy, but really? Just looking at Gene outside leaning on Betsy...that was not a man doing yoga and pilates.

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Anonymous wrote:Outlets are cutting out a lot of what daughter Leslie said. Here’s a more complete example:

“Despite his age, he was in very good physical condition,” Leslie said about her father, adding that he did not have any major surgeries in the last few months before his death. “He liked to do Pilates and yoga, and he was continuing to do that several times a week. So he was in good health.”

Given that Hackman was 95 years old, Leslie is aware that it’s “not terribly shocking.” But Arakawa’s death at 63 poses more questions. She said the two had “a wonderful marriage,” adding: “And I give credit to his wife, Betsy, for keeping him alive.”

“[Betsy] took very, very good care of him and was always looking out for his health,” Leslie added. “So I am appreciative to her for that, and I’m very saddened by her passing.”

Doesn’t seem like there was ill will with Betsy.

I'm glad no ill well towards Betsy, but really? Just looking at Gene outside leaning on Betsy...that was not a man doing yoga and pilates.

People don't always have the most clear-eyed view of how the people they love are aging.

signed,
kid of 80-somethings who I can't bear to think about losing

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Anonymous wrote:so bizarre my elderly family loves calls and visits but we are close.

your elderly parent married to someone in their 60s loves calls from 3 kids daily?

my mother loves calls and visits but she lives alone and is very dependent on my sister and me

My mother is older than Hackman and I don’t call her every day or every week. She’s busy and so am I. Get over your judgmental small minded selves.

So she could die, and you wouldn't know for a week?

DP, but so what? Mom is still dead regardless of whether you know the minute after it happens or a month later.

We don’t know whether he died instantly or died of dehydration after lying there for a few days, or similar.

+1 Exactly

But the dog and wife died too. All at the same time?

They ruled out monoxide and nat gas.

Poisoned? On purpose? And dog happened to eat it too?

It was a boulder.

Inappropriate, but I laughed.

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Anonymous wrote:Outlets are cutting out a lot of what daughter Leslie said. Here’s a more complete example:

“Despite his age, he was in very good physical condition,” Leslie said about her father, adding that he did not have any major surgeries in the last few months before his death. “He liked to do Pilates and yoga, and he was continuing to do that several times a week. So he was in good health.”

Given that Hackman was 95 years old, Leslie is aware that it’s “not terribly shocking.” But Arakawa’s death at 63 poses more questions. She said the two had “a wonderful marriage,” adding: “And I give credit to his wife, Betsy, for keeping him alive.”

“[Betsy] took very, very good care of him and was always looking out for his health,” Leslie added. “So I am appreciative to her for that, and I’m very saddened by her passing.”

Doesn’t seem like there was ill will with Betsy.

I'm glad no ill well towards Betsy, but really? Just looking at Gene outside leaning on Betsy...that was not a man doing yoga and pilates.

People don't always have the most clear-eyed view of how the people they love are aging.

signed,
kid of 80-somethings who I can't bear to think about losing

PP here. +1 I agree with you.

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I'm divorced and my ex lives in another state. He barely calls our kids twice a month. They get along fine. But I don't see them regularly checking in on him when he's in his 90s and has a wife their age. I think Gene's kids' statements reflect that they had a somewhat decent relationship. That does not mean that it was very loving, and that does not mean that Gene didn't have the relationship with them he deserves.

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Anonymous wrote:Outlets are cutting out a lot of what daughter Leslie said. Here’s a more complete example:

“Despite his age, he was in very good physical condition,” Leslie said about her father, adding that he did not have any major surgeries in the last few months before his death. “He liked to do Pilates and yoga, and he was continuing to do that several times a week. So he was in good health.”

Given that Hackman was 95 years old, Leslie is aware that it’s “not terribly shocking.” But Arakawa’s death at 63 poses more questions. She said the two had “a wonderful marriage,” adding: “And I give credit to his wife, Betsy, for keeping him alive.”

“[Betsy] took very, very good care of him and was always looking out for his health,” Leslie added. “So I am appreciative to her for that, and I’m very saddened by her passing.”

Doesn’t seem like there was ill will with Betsy.

I'm glad no ill well towards Betsy, but really? Just looking at Gene outside leaning on Betsy...that was not a man doing yoga and pilates.

People don't always have the most clear-eyed view of how the people they love are aging.

signed,
kid of 80-somethings who I can't bear to think about losing

PP here. +1 I agree with you.

+100

Even though we were talking about hospice when one of my parents passed, I was still in surprised and in shock. In hindsight, it's very easy to realize I had blinders on.