Democracy Dies in Darkness

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Yep. And already looking at ways to replace Amazon. Target subscription same day delivery works for a lot of it and we have already found that Costco is better than Amazon subscribe and save for most bulk items.

Did this years ago. Target Same Day pickup has been useful too.

Good. Target's CEO is pro life. Thank you.

I don't care. I eat Chic Fil A. I have friends and family who are pro life.

I actually agree that news outlets could stop making endorsements.

But let me know when he pulls an editorial from a major newspaper endorsing a presidential candidate in the 11th hour because of a business deal, then has the audacity to pretend it is about journalistic integrity. We all know that integrity was not the actual reason for the decision. It was a lie and it occurred because of bowing to pressure from a lying cheating person who wants to override the constitution and speaks like a fascist.

This is overblown. At this point 99 percent of voters are decided. I don't know anyone who votes based on what a newspaper says. The Washington Post has been losing money and is no longer a powerful force in American politics. Social media has supplanted print media as the source of news for most people.

Setting aside that this is objectively horrifying...

It is not overblown to be disturbed that one of the richest men in the world, who owns a national newspaper, agreed to overrule his newspaper's editorial staff for a quid pro quo from the convicted felon who is running for president.

Yes, this is the issue, not the endorsement itself. How can anyone read an article in the future and not be certain that Bezos tampered with it in some way? Or maybe a story never gets published? Sure, the odds are low but you can't say anymore that the odds are zero. And there goes any semblance of objectivity that WaPo had (regardless of your opinion of how much it had to begin with). I don't see how WaPo comes back from this ever unless Bezos sells.

It's not coming back. They have been laying people off and cutting benefits since before Bezos. The only way a paper survives is with subscriptions, and people just are not willing to pay for the current product.

Where do you think the "news" on social media comes from?

Well some of it is from from digital sources and some is from print sources. Just because it is linked on socials does not mean the organization makes money from it. If they were making money for every social click they would not need the pay wall that's currently on the WaPo site. The pay wall is specifically to force readers to pay for Wapo content. I don't know anyone who pays for it.

And who pays for that? Somebody has to pay for it.

I don't know. Do you pay if you post links on Instagram or Facebook. I don't use social media so I am not sure whether you have to pay Wapo when you post their link.

Who pays the people who report on the news?

My point is that I personally do not pay Wapo, don't subscribe and don't use the pay wall. I don't care who DOES pay them. It's clearly not enough or they would not be begging for pay on the pay wall and laying people off.

Where will you get your news from when everybody decides, like you, that they don't need to pay for their news?

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Anonymous wrote:On the flip side, if WaPo can start reporting things objectively, I might actually subscribe.

But sticking with WSJ for now.

First, I’d be shocked if you actually read WSJ

Second, if you did, you’d see WSJ’s been spanking your boy pretty hard

True. I subscribe to WSJ, NYT, and used to subscribe to WaPo before last night, and the WSJ newsroom is very much against Trump. It criticizes Trump's economic policies more than it did Biden's or now Harris'.

The coward editors of the WSJ don't like either candidate, but have done their best to stay polite vis-a-vis Trump - they have even gone out of their way to interview him in a very quick session and claim they didn't see dementia during the time they were with him (ha!). They picked their words very carefully for that synopsis . Some WSJ opinion columnists are MAGAs, of course, which is to be expected for iMpaRtiaLity.

New gaslighting by the left is that Trump has dementia (because they are so pissed that they were exposed for defending Biden all these years). I think Trump and Harris should both sit for cognitive tests (something Biden refused to do) as well as an IQ test and release the results.

Pretty sure the vast majority of Democrats would welcome that. Your stable genius will never agree, though, and you know it.

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Yep. And already looking at ways to replace Amazon. Target subscription same day delivery works for a lot of it and we have already found that Costco is better than Amazon subscribe and save for most bulk items.

Did this years ago. Target Same Day pickup has been useful too.

Good. Target's CEO is pro life. Thank you.

I don't care. I eat Chic Fil A. I have friends and family who are pro life.

I actually agree that news outlets could stop making endorsements.

But let me know when he pulls an editorial from a major newspaper endorsing a presidential candidate in the 11th hour because of a business deal, then has the audacity to pretend it is about journalistic integrity. We all know that integrity was not the actual reason for the decision. It was a lie and it occurred because of bowing to pressure from a lying cheating person who wants to override the constitution and speaks like a fascist.

This is overblown. At this point 99 percent of voters are decided. I don't know anyone who votes based on what a newspaper says. The Washington Post has been losing money and is no longer a powerful force in American politics. Social media has supplanted print media as the source of news for most people.

Setting aside that this is objectively horrifying...

It is not overblown to be disturbed that one of the richest men in the world, who owns a national newspaper, agreed to overrule his newspaper's editorial staff for a quid pro quo from the convicted felon who is running for president.

Yes, this is the issue, not the endorsement itself. How can anyone read an article in the future and not be certain that Bezos tampered with it in some way? Or maybe a story never gets published? Sure, the odds are low but you can't say anymore that the odds are zero. And there goes any semblance of objectivity that WaPo had (regardless of your opinion of how much it had to begin with). I don't see how WaPo comes back from this ever unless Bezos sells.

It's not coming back. They have been laying people off and cutting benefits since before Bezos. The only way a paper survives is with subscriptions, and people just are not willing to pay for the current product.

Where do you think the "news" on social media comes from?

Well some of it is from from digital sources and some is from print sources. Just because it is linked on socials does not mean the organization makes money from it. If they were making money for every social click they would not need the pay wall that's currently on the WaPo site. The pay wall is specifically to force readers to pay for Wapo content. I don't know anyone who pays for it.

And who pays for that? Somebody has to pay for it.

I don't know. Do you pay if you post links on Instagram or Facebook. I don't use social media so I am not sure whether you have to pay Wapo when you post their link.

Who pays the people who report on the news?

My point is that I personally do not pay Wapo, don't subscribe and don't use the pay wall. I don't care who DOES pay them. It's clearly not enough or they would not be begging for pay on the pay wall and laying people off.

Where will you get your news from when everybody decides, like you, that they don't need to pay for their news?

I do pay for the Wall Street Journal because I like the products. I am not responsible for providing charitable donations to a media organization that does not provide anything of interest for me.

If they have people who do want to pay, good for them. Media is a competitive product, and they need to compete to turn a profit.

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Anonymous wrote:On the flip side, if WaPo can start reporting things objectively, I might actually subscribe.

But sticking with WSJ for now.

First, I’d be shocked if you actually read WSJ

Second, if you did, you’d see WSJ’s been spanking your boy pretty hard

True. I subscribe to WSJ, NYT, and used to subscribe to WaPo before last night, and the WSJ newsroom is very much against Trump. It criticizes Trump's economic policies more than it did Biden's or now Harris'.

The coward editors of the WSJ don't like either candidate, but have done their best to stay polite vis-a-vis Trump - they have even gone out of their way to interview him in a very quick session and claim they didn't see dementia during the time they were with him (ha!). They picked their words very carefully for that synopsis . Some WSJ opinion columnists are MAGAs, of course, which is to be expected for iMpaRtiaLity.

New gaslighting by the left is that Trump has dementia (because they are so pissed that they were exposed for defending Biden all these years). I think Trump and Harris should both sit for cognitive tests (something Biden refused to do) as well as an IQ test and release the results.

Pretty sure the vast majority of Democrats would welcome that. Your stable genius will never agree, though, and you know it.

+1 Bring it!

[Anonymous]

Cancelled the Post and Amazon Prime. Subscribed to another independent newspaper.

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Canceling your subscription only hurts the writers at the post who barely survive layoffs. I’m not happy about the lack of an endorsement but on the whole, the Post is providing incredible and brave investigative reporting.

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PP, the post of your canceled subscription notice on social media is the worst kind of progressive performance. But keep shopping at Whole Foods and Amazon, bezos doesn’t care

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Anonymous wrote:Canceling your subscription only hurts the writers at the post who barely survive layoffs. I’m not happy about the lack of an endorsement but on the whole, the Post is providing incredible and brave investigative reporting.

Do you think the same owner who quashed the endorsement will allow real investigative reporting?

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Anonymous wrote:Cancelled the Post and Amazon Prime. Subscribed to another independent newspaper.

Where do you buy stuff from now? Are you sure that company does not have a minority shareholder who owns a newspaper that does not endorse candidates for political office? You need to go all in and DIE ON THIS HILL!

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I just learned that the LA Times, who also did not endorse a candidate, is owned by Patrick Soon-Shiong, the inventor of the drug Abraxane, which is used for lung, breast, and pancreatic cancer. I am cancelling my subscription to these life saving drugs immediately!

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When the Post took on Nixon the Grahams had license applications pending with the FCC. Backing that reporting took courage, but the Grahams knew what they had to do and that was to serve the public interest. In their day, the wealthy elites took care of their communities and their country. Sure, there were some who had no sense of civic city. But people like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos were outliers. Now it’s mainstream.

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Really enjoyed Alexandra Petri's column on this topic.

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Anonymous wrote:The billionaires are killing democracy. Same thing happened with the LA Times.

You need a clearly partisan newspaper to tell you formally who to vote for and you equate that with democracy? That's pretty pathetic.

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Anonymous wrote:Canceling your subscription only hurts the writers at the post who barely survive layoffs. I’m not happy about the lack of an endorsement but on the whole, the Post is providing incredible and brave investigative reporting.

Good. Almost all of them are lib turds.

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Yep. And already looking at ways to replace Amazon. Target subscription same day delivery works for a lot of it and we have already found that Costco is better than Amazon subscribe and save for most bulk items.

Did this years ago. Target Same Day pickup has been useful too.

Good. Target's CEO is pro life. Thank you.

I don't care. I eat Chic Fil A. I have friends and family who are pro life.

I actually agree that news outlets could stop making endorsements.

But let me know when he pulls an editorial from a major newspaper endorsing a presidential candidate in the 11th hour because of a business deal, then has the audacity to pretend it is about journalistic integrity. We all know that integrity was not the actual reason for the decision. It was a lie and it occurred because of bowing to pressure from a lying cheating person who wants to override the constitution and speaks like a fascist.

This is overblown. At this point 99 percent of voters are decided. I don't know anyone who votes based on what a newspaper says. The Washington Post has been losing money and is no longer a powerful force in American politics. Social media has supplanted print media as the source of news for most people.

Setting aside that this is objectively horrifying...

It is not overblown to be disturbed that one of the richest men in the world, who owns a national newspaper, agreed to overrule his newspaper's editorial staff for a quid pro quo from the convicted felon who is running for president.

Yes, this is the issue, not the endorsement itself. How can anyone read an article in the future and not be certain that Bezos tampered with it in some way? Or maybe a story never gets published? Sure, the odds are low but you can't say anymore that the odds are zero. And there goes any semblance of objectivity that WaPo had (regardless of your opinion of how much it had to begin with). I don't see how WaPo comes back from this ever unless Bezos sells.

It's not coming back. They have been laying people off and cutting benefits since before Bezos. The only way a paper survives is with subscriptions, and people just are not willing to pay for the current product.

Where do you think the "news" on social media comes from?

Well some of it is from from digital sources and some is from print sources. Just because it is linked on socials does not mean the organization makes money from it. If they were making money for every social click they would not need the pay wall that's currently on the WaPo site. The pay wall is specifically to force readers to pay for Wapo content. I don't know anyone who pays for it.

And who pays for that? Somebody has to pay for it.

I don't know. Do you pay if you post links on Instagram or Facebook. I don't use social media so I am not sure whether you have to pay Wapo when you post their link.

Who pays the people who report on the news?

My point is that I personally do not pay Wapo, don't subscribe and don't use the pay wall. I don't care who DOES pay them. It's clearly not enough or they would not be begging for pay on the pay wall and laying people off.

Where will you get your news from when everybody decides, like you, that they don't need to pay for their news?

Maybe there could be like oh I dint know regulations that take some % of billionaires income to pay for impartial news? Also education and healthcare, maybe universal basic income?
Or we can keep the feudal system by which it the feudal lords toss a few acorns at their favorite jester every now and then?
Or maybe tax them for real? I don’t know: depends if you like being a peasant with a feudal overlord. Monty Python has a masterclass on this, look it up.