GPA Necessary For HYPSM At Big 3

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Anonymous wrote:i've made this point before, but if that's the case it just doesn't mesh with the fact that there are many girls who land at these schools who are unhooked and likely have sub-3.95 GPAs.

This is not based on SCOIR reality. To get into a top 30 school you needed a 3.9+ this year, mostly a 3.95. SCOIR does't lie.

Why the ultra high standards? A few years ago NCS was sending 3.5-3.7 girls to BC, Wake, and other schools in that caliber

This year BC required a 3.99/36 from NCS. Everyone else was rejected (8 girls with GPAs in the 3.5 to 3.87 range).
I don't know what happened but many other schools were the same. All Ivies were 3.97+, UVA 3.95+, etc.
If you're not in the top 15 girls in the class and getting straight As your options were very limited.
Does anyone know what happened?

Why does this only seem to be the case with NCS students in this area?
I know of many (more than 10) unhooked students at GDS and Sidwell who were admitted to schools like BC and UVA (and similar T30ish caliber) with GPAs in the 3.75 to 3.90 range. What gives?!?

One caveat: a few were first deferred, then admitted RD, or admitted off the waitlist (I know of 2 from UVA where the latter was the case).

I don’t know any inside GPA information about specific girls in NCS class of ‘24 (and wouldn't share it on a public forum), but I think it is important to point out that NCS college counselors remove SCOIR data for all “hooked” applicants. So maybe there are a few 3.75 girls getting into BC or UVA that are hooked in some way. Not all applicants are included in the SCOIR data.

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Do your college counselors actually give advice? Ours was “pick a safety” and that was it. No info about our child’s ED1 choice (which fortunately was successful).

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Anonymous wrote:NCS SCOIR is updated for 2024! See for yourself whether the shutouts, etc for this year were true!

What did you discover?!

It's dismal if your GPA is beneath a 3.95

Dismal in general or just for HYPSM?

3.95 needed for pretty much all top 30 schools and all top 20 liberal arts colleges. UVA, UNC, Wash U, Boston College, etc. Solid red x's beneath a 3.9.

sh$&t. I knew we should have moved this kid.

You need to apply ed as a girl at these schools.

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Anonymous wrote:NCS SCOIR is updated for 2024! See for yourself whether the shutouts, etc for this year were true!

What did you discover?!

It's dismal if your GPA is beneath a 3.95

Dismal in general or just for HYPSM?

3.95 needed for pretty much all top 30 schools and all top 20 liberal arts colleges. UVA, UNC, Wash U, Boston College, etc. Solid red x's beneath a 3.9.

sh$&t. I knew we should have moved this kid.

You need to apply ed as a girl at these schools.

Same with boys (mine go to a boys' school and the red Xs are the same if you remove athletic recruits).

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Anonymous wrote:NCS SCOIR is updated for 2024! See for yourself whether the shutouts, etc for this year were true!

What did you discover?!

It's dismal if your GPA is beneath a 3.95

Dismal in general or just for HYPSM?

3.95 needed for pretty much all top 30 schools and all top 20 liberal arts colleges. UVA, UNC, Wash U, Boston College, etc. Solid red x's beneath a 3.9.

sh$&t. I knew we should have moved this kid.

You need to apply ed as a girl at these schools.

Is the SCOIR data for ED or RD or combined?

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Anonymous wrote:i've made this point before, but if that's the case it just doesn't mesh with the fact that there are many girls who land at these schools who are unhooked and likely have sub-3.95 GPAs.

This is not based on SCOIR reality. To get into a top 30 school you needed a 3.9+ this year, mostly a 3.95. SCOIR does't lie.

Why the ultra high standards? A few years ago NCS was sending 3.5-3.7 girls to BC, Wake, and other schools in that caliber

This year BC required a 3.99/36 from NCS. Everyone else was rejected (8 girls with GPAs in the 3.5 to 3.87 range).
I don't know what happened but many other schools were the same. All Ivies were 3.97+, UVA 3.95+, etc.
If you're not in the top 15 girls in the class and getting straight As your options were very limited.
Does anyone know what happened?

Why does this only seem to be the case with NCS students in this area?
I know of many (more than 10) unhooked students at GDS and Sidwell who were admitted to schools like BC and UVA (and similar T30ish caliber) with GPAs in the 3.75 to 3.90 range. What gives?!?

One caveat: a few were first deferred, then admitted RD, or admitted off the waitlist (I know of 2 from UVA where the latter was the case).

I don’t know any inside GPA information about specific girls in NCS class of ‘24 (and wouldn't share it on a public forum), but I think it is important to point out that NCS college counselors remove SCOIR data for all “hooked” applicants. So maybe there are a few 3.75 girls getting into BC or UVA that are hooked in some way. Not all applicants are included in the SCOIR data.

How does NCS define “hooked” (besides the obvious legacies and sports recruits)? In other words, how would NCS know about donor status or a relationship with an influential college professor or board member?

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Anonymous wrote:i've made this point before, but if that's the case it just doesn't mesh with the fact that there are many girls who land at these schools who are unhooked and likely have sub-3.95 GPAs.

This is not based on SCOIR reality. To get into a top 30 school you needed a 3.9+ this year, mostly a 3.95. SCOIR does't lie.

Why the ultra high standards? A few years ago NCS was sending 3.5-3.7 girls to BC, Wake, and other schools in that caliber

This year BC required a 3.99/36 from NCS. Everyone else was rejected (8 girls with GPAs in the 3.5 to 3.87 range).
I don't know what happened but many other schools were the same. All Ivies were 3.97+, UVA 3.95+, etc.
If you're not in the top 15 girls in the class and getting straight As your options were very limited.
Does anyone know what happened?

Why does this only seem to be the case with NCS students in this area?
I know of many (more than 10) unhooked students at GDS and Sidwell who were admitted to schools like BC and UVA (and similar T30ish caliber) with GPAs in the 3.75 to 3.90 range. What gives?!?

One caveat: a few were first deferred, then admitted RD, or admitted off the waitlist (I know of 2 from UVA where the latter was the case).

I don’t know any inside GPA information about specific girls in NCS class of ‘24 (and wouldn't share it on a public forum), but I think it is important to point out that NCS college counselors remove SCOIR data for all “hooked” applicants. So maybe there are a few 3.75 girls getting into BC or UVA that are hooked in some way. Not all applicants are included in the SCOIR data.

How does NCS define “hooked” (besides the obvious legacies and sports recruits)? In other words, how would NCS know about donor status or a relationship with an influential college professor or board member?

College counseling generally asks about these types of things on the parent survey "do you have any special relationship with a college" and it would come up in conversation as well. The vast majority of parents are not looking to hide this as they want to give college counseling every available data point when discussing where a kid should apply. Now whether or not NCS removes these types of kids from SCOIR I don't know.

Regardless, it honestly doesn't seem to matter in the least. Admissions pretty much follows GPA. When you look at the Instagram and you see the Ivies, all but one were 3.94+ kids. So whether or not they had some "special hook" and were a donor (or even legacy) was irrelevant.

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Anonymous wrote:i've made this point before, but if that's the case it just doesn't mesh with the fact that there are many girls who land at these schools who are unhooked and likely have sub-3.95 GPAs.

This is not based on SCOIR reality. To get into a top 30 school you needed a 3.9+ this year, mostly a 3.95. SCOIR does't lie.

Why the ultra high standards? A few years ago NCS was sending 3.5-3.7 girls to BC, Wake, and other schools in that caliber

This year BC required a 3.99/36 from NCS. Everyone else was rejected (8 girls with GPAs in the 3.5 to 3.87 range).
I don't know what happened but many other schools were the same. All Ivies were 3.97+, UVA 3.95+, etc.
If you're not in the top 15 girls in the class and getting straight As your options were very limited.
Does anyone know what happened?

Why does this only seem to be the case with NCS students in this area?
I know of many (more than 10) unhooked students at GDS and Sidwell who were admitted to schools like BC and UVA (and similar T30ish caliber) with GPAs in the 3.75 to 3.90 range. What gives?!?

One caveat: a few were first deferred, then admitted RD, or admitted off the waitlist (I know of 2 from UVA where the latter was the case).

I don’t know any inside GPA information about specific girls in NCS class of ‘24 (and wouldn't share it on a public forum), but I think it is important to point out that NCS college counselors remove SCOIR data for all “hooked” applicants. So maybe there are a few 3.75 girls getting into BC or UVA that are hooked in some way. Not all applicants are included in the SCOIR data.

How does NCS define “hooked” (besides the obvious legacies and sports recruits)? In other words, how would NCS know about donor status or a relationship with an influential college professor or board member?

My guess is they try their best, take out the obvious hooks, and if a kid is secret billionaire and they miss it so be it.

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Anonymous wrote:i've made this point before, but if that's the case it just doesn't mesh with the fact that there are many girls who land at these schools who are unhooked and likely have sub-3.95 GPAs.

This is not based on SCOIR reality. To get into a top 30 school you needed a 3.9+ this year, mostly a 3.95. SCOIR does't lie.

Why the ultra high standards? A few years ago NCS was sending 3.5-3.7 girls to BC, Wake, and other schools in that caliber

This year BC required a 3.99/36 from NCS. Everyone else was rejected (8 girls with GPAs in the 3.5 to 3.87 range).
I don't know what happened but many other schools were the same. All Ivies were 3.97+, UVA 3.95+, etc.
If you're not in the top 15 girls in the class and getting straight As your options were very limited.
Does anyone know what happened?

Why does this only seem to be the case with NCS students in this area?
I know of many (more than 10) unhooked students at GDS and Sidwell who were admitted to schools like BC and UVA (and similar T30ish caliber) with GPAs in the 3.75 to 3.90 range. What gives?!?

One caveat: a few were first deferred, then admitted RD, or admitted off the waitlist (I know of 2 from UVA where the latter was the case).

I don’t know any inside GPA information about specific girls in NCS class of ‘24 (and wouldn't share it on a public forum), but I think it is important to point out that NCS college counselors remove SCOIR data for all “hooked” applicants. So maybe there are a few 3.75 girls getting into BC or UVA that are hooked in some way. Not all applicants are included in the SCOIR data.

So the poster above is giving misleading info on NCS. Girls with a GPA above 3.5 and below a 3.99 did not apply, except for a couple of students who applied RD.The girls who applied ED and were not accepted had a 3.5 or below. In the last Common Data Set that BC released, 8,800 more girls applied than boys. Girls in the 3.7 -3.8 range need to apply ED1 or ED2 for admission. That is not exclusive to NCS girls.

I honestly don't understand the hysteria.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:i've made this point before, but if that's the case it just doesn't mesh with the fact that there are many girls who land at these schools who are unhooked and likely have sub-3.95 GPAs.

This is not based on SCOIR reality. To get into a top 30 school you needed a 3.9+ this year, mostly a 3.95. SCOIR does't lie.

Why the ultra high standards? A few years ago NCS was sending 3.5-3.7 girls to BC, Wake, and other schools in that caliber

This year BC required a 3.99/36 from NCS. Everyone else was rejected (8 girls with GPAs in the 3.5 to 3.87 range).
I don't know what happened but many other schools were the same. All Ivies were 3.97+, UVA 3.95+, etc.
If you're not in the top 15 girls in the class and getting straight As your options were very limited.
Does anyone know what happened?

Why does this only seem to be the case with NCS students in this area?
I know of many (more than 10) unhooked students at GDS and Sidwell who were admitted to schools like BC and UVA (and similar T30ish caliber) with GPAs in the 3.75 to 3.90 range. What gives?!?

One caveat: a few were first deferred, then admitted RD, or admitted off the waitlist (I know of 2 from UVA where the latter was the case).

I don’t know any inside GPA information about specific girls in NCS class of ‘24 (and wouldn't share it on a public forum), but I think it is important to point out that NCS college counselors remove SCOIR data for all “hooked” applicants. So maybe there are a few 3.75 girls getting into BC or UVA that are hooked in some way. Not all applicants are included in the SCOIR data.

So the poster above is giving misleading info on NCS. Girls with a GPA above 3.5 and below a 3.99 did not apply, except for a couple of students who applied RD.The girls who applied ED and were not accepted had a 3.5 or below. In the last Common Data Set that BC released, 8,800 more girls applied than boys. Girls in the 3.7 -3.8 range need to apply ED1 or ED2 for admission. That is not exclusive to NCS girls.

I honestly don't understand the hysteria.

This makes sense. Of the UVA applicants, no girls got in with under a 3.95 (12 denials) but none of the denials applied ED (they applied EA). Does UVA really care about ED as well? Do you think a 3.8+ who applied ED (vs EA) would have had a different outcome?

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Anonymous wrote:Do your college counselors actually give advice? Ours was “pick a safety” and that was it. No info about our child’s ED1 choice (which fortunately was successful).

Our experience at Sidwell was the same as yours (minus the successful ED1).

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Anonymous wrote:i've made this point before, but if that's the case it just doesn't mesh with the fact that there are many girls who land at these schools who are unhooked and likely have sub-3.95 GPAs.

This is not based on SCOIR reality. To get into a top 30 school you needed a 3.9+ this year, mostly a 3.95. SCOIR does't lie.

Why the ultra high standards? A few years ago NCS was sending 3.5-3.7 girls to BC, Wake, and other schools in that caliber

This year BC required a 3.99/36 from NCS. Everyone else was rejected (8 girls with GPAs in the 3.5 to 3.87 range).
I don't know what happened but many other schools were the same. All Ivies were 3.97+, UVA 3.95+, etc.
If you're not in the top 15 girls in the class and getting straight As your options were very limited.
Does anyone know what happened?

Why does this only seem to be the case with NCS students in this area?
I know of many (more than 10) unhooked students at GDS and Sidwell who were admitted to schools like BC and UVA (and similar T30ish caliber) with GPAs in the 3.75 to 3.90 range. What gives?!?

One caveat: a few were first deferred, then admitted RD, or admitted off the waitlist (I know of 2 from UVA where the latter was the case).

I don’t know any inside GPA information about specific girls in NCS class of ‘24 (and wouldn't share it on a public forum), but I think it is important to point out that NCS college counselors remove SCOIR data for all “hooked” applicants. So maybe there are a few 3.75 girls getting into BC or UVA that are hooked in some way. Not all applicants are included in the SCOIR data.

So the poster above is giving misleading info on NCS. Girls with a GPA above 3.5 and below a 3.99 did not apply, except for a couple of students who applied RD.The girls who applied ED and were not accepted had a 3.5 or below. In the last Common Data Set that BC released, 8,800 more girls applied than boys. Girls in the 3.7 -3.8 range need to apply ED1 or ED2 for admission. That is not exclusive to NCS girls.

I honestly don't understand the hysteria.

This makes sense. Of the UVA applicants, no girls got in with under a 3.95 (12 denials) but none of the denials applied ED (they applied EA). Does UVA really care about ED as well? Do you think a 3.8+ who applied ED (vs EA) would have had a different outcome?

Not just a girl thing - we know unhooked of multiple 3.87+ (but below 3.9) boys not accepted to UVA early (both ED and EA)

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Anonymous wrote:i've made this point before, but if that's the case it just doesn't mesh with the fact that there are many girls who land at these schools who are unhooked and likely have sub-3.95 GPAs.

This is not based on SCOIR reality. To get into a top 30 school you needed a 3.9+ this year, mostly a 3.95. SCOIR does't lie.

Why the ultra high standards? A few years ago NCS was sending 3.5-3.7 girls to BC, Wake, and other schools in that caliber

This year BC required a 3.99/36 from NCS. Everyone else was rejected (8 girls with GPAs in the 3.5 to 3.87 range).
I don't know what happened but many other schools were the same. All Ivies were 3.97+, UVA 3.95+, etc.
If you're not in the top 15 girls in the class and getting straight As your options were very limited.
Does anyone know what happened?

Why does this only seem to be the case with NCS students in this area?
I know of many (more than 10) unhooked students at GDS and Sidwell who were admitted to schools like BC and UVA (and similar T30ish caliber) with GPAs in the 3.75 to 3.90 range. What gives?!?

One caveat: a few were first deferred, then admitted RD, or admitted off the waitlist (I know of 2 from UVA where the latter was the case).

I don’t know any inside GPA information about specific girls in NCS class of ‘24 (and wouldn't share it on a public forum), but I think it is important to point out that NCS college counselors remove SCOIR data for all “hooked” applicants. So maybe there are a few 3.75 girls getting into BC or UVA that are hooked in some way. Not all applicants are included in the SCOIR data.

So the poster above is giving misleading info on NCS. Girls with a GPA above 3.5 and below a 3.99 did not apply, except for a couple of students who applied RD.The girls who applied ED and were not accepted had a 3.5 or below. In the last Common Data Set that BC released, 8,800 more girls applied than boys. Girls in the 3.7 -3.8 range need to apply ED1 or ED2 for admission. That is not exclusive to NCS girls.

I honestly don't understand the hysteria.

This makes sense. Of the UVA applicants, no girls got in with under a 3.95 (12 denials) but none of the denials applied ED (they applied EA). Does UVA really care about ED as well? Do you think a 3.8+ who applied ED (vs EA) would have had a different outcome?

ED is binding, EA isn’t. Schools protecting their yield will choose an ED applicant over one who is EA.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:i've made this point before, but if that's the case it just doesn't mesh with the fact that there are many girls who land at these schools who are unhooked and likely have sub-3.95 GPAs.

This is not based on SCOIR reality. To get into a top 30 school you needed a 3.9+ this year, mostly a 3.95. SCOIR does't lie.

Why the ultra high standards? A few years ago NCS was sending 3.5-3.7 girls to BC, Wake, and other schools in that caliber

This year BC required a 3.99/36 from NCS. Everyone else was rejected (8 girls with GPAs in the 3.5 to 3.87 range).
I don't know what happened but many other schools were the same. All Ivies were 3.97+, UVA 3.95+, etc.
If you're not in the top 15 girls in the class and getting straight As your options were very limited.
Does anyone know what happened?

Why does this only seem to be the case with NCS students in this area?
I know of many (more than 10) unhooked students at GDS and Sidwell who were admitted to schools like BC and UVA (and similar T30ish caliber) with GPAs in the 3.75 to 3.90 range. What gives?!?

One caveat: a few were first deferred, then admitted RD, or admitted off the waitlist (I know of 2 from UVA where the latter was the case).

I don’t know any inside GPA information about specific girls in NCS class of ‘24 (and wouldn't share it on a public forum), but I think it is important to point out that NCS college counselors remove SCOIR data for all “hooked” applicants. So maybe there are a few 3.75 girls getting into BC or UVA that are hooked in some way. Not all applicants are included in the SCOIR data.

So the poster above is giving misleading info on NCS. Girls with a GPA above 3.5 and below a 3.99 did not apply, except for a couple of students who applied RD.The girls who applied ED and were not accepted had a 3.5 or below. In the last Common Data Set that BC released, 8,800 more girls applied than boys. Girls in the 3.7 -3.8 range need to apply ED1 or ED2 for admission. That is not exclusive to NCS girls.

I honestly don't understand the hysteria.

This makes sense. Of the UVA applicants, no girls got in with under a 3.95 (12 denials) but none of the denials applied ED (they applied EA). Does UVA really care about ED as well? Do you think a 3.8+ who applied ED (vs EA) would have had a different outcome?

ED is binding, EA isn’t. Schools protecting their yield will choose an ED applicant over one who is EA.

Yes. We all know this. The question is how does UVA view this?

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Anonymous wrote:i've made this point before, but if that's the case it just doesn't mesh with the fact that there are many girls who land at these schools who are unhooked and likely have sub-3.95 GPAs.

This is not based on SCOIR reality. To get into a top 30 school you needed a 3.9+ this year, mostly a 3.95. SCOIR does't lie.

Why the ultra high standards? A few years ago NCS was sending 3.5-3.7 girls to BC, Wake, and other schools in that caliber

This year BC required a 3.99/36 from NCS. Everyone else was rejected (8 girls with GPAs in the 3.5 to 3.87 range).
I don't know what happened but many other schools were the same. All Ivies were 3.97+, UVA 3.95+, etc.
If you're not in the top 15 girls in the class and getting straight As your options were very limited.
Does anyone know what happened?

Why does this only seem to be the case with NCS students in this area?
I know of many (more than 10) unhooked students at GDS and Sidwell who were admitted to schools like BC and UVA (and similar T30ish caliber) with GPAs in the 3.75 to 3.90 range. What gives?!?

One caveat: a few were first deferred, then admitted RD, or admitted off the waitlist (I know of 2 from UVA where the latter was the case).

I don’t know any inside GPA information about specific girls in NCS class of ‘24 (and wouldn't share it on a public forum), but I think it is important to point out that NCS college counselors remove SCOIR data for all “hooked” applicants. So maybe there are a few 3.75 girls getting into BC or UVA that are hooked in some way. Not all applicants are included in the SCOIR data.

So the poster above is giving misleading info on NCS. Girls with a GPA above 3.5 and below a 3.99 did not apply, except for a couple of students who applied RD.The girls who applied ED and were not accepted had a 3.5 or below. In the last Common Data Set that BC released, 8,800 more girls applied than boys. Girls in the 3.7 -3.8 range need to apply ED1 or ED2 for admission. That is not exclusive to NCS girls.

I honestly don't understand the hysteria.

This makes sense. Of the UVA applicants, no girls got in with under a 3.95 (12 denials) but none of the denials applied ED (they applied EA). Does UVA really care about ED as well? Do you think a 3.8+ who applied ED (vs EA) would have had a different outcome?

ED is binding, EA isn’t. Schools protecting their yield will choose an ED applicant over one who is EA.

And yet, school was deferring unhooked very high stats ED applicants to RD.