St Marys versus St Louis

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Anonymous wrote:This whole conversation is silly. You can have religious education by *integrating* religion into math, reading, science, social studies, etc. Kill two birds with one stone. For example, use religious texts to teach reading. Use religious examples to teach math. Teach the wonder of God’s creation through science. And so on.

The notion that Catholic education “requires” weekly mass or repetitive sacrament prep *during the school day* is absurd, lazy, and old-fashioned.

How many kids — especially younger kids — get anything out of mass during the school day? If you want a true “Catholic education,” there are better ways to do it. Does Notre Dame or other Catholic colleges require weekly Mass during classes? Why not? Are they providing an inferior “Catholic education”?

If you call the celebration of Mass (at anytime of the week) “absurd, lazy, and old fashioned” you truly do not understand what the significance of Mass is in Catholicism.

I guess colleges like Notre Dame and most Catholic high schools are just heretics then. None requires students to attend mass on a weekday, every week, during school hours. Mass is for SUNDAYS, with family. Not at 9 am on weekdays during school.

So don’t send your kids to a parochial school? I don’t really understand your point here. You have a choice, send your kids to public school and use CCD for their religious education. Weekly mass at K-8 schools is part of the faith formation. I’m glad my kids have had the experience of attending weekly with their classmates. If you don’t see the value, that’s fine. There are many other schools to choose from.

I suspect the PP who opposes Mass is one of those people who believes in the prestige of private v. public school, but can’t truly afford a non-parochial private school. Ironically, what makes parochial school more affordable are the massive subsidies from the parish…which statistically come from regular church-going parishioners. It is incredibly frustrating when people chasing a private school experience walk into a school and want to change the most basic elements of that school’s identity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This whole conversation is silly. You can have religious education by *integrating* religion into math, reading, science, social studies, etc. Kill two birds with one stone. For example, use religious texts to teach reading. Use religious examples to teach math. Teach the wonder of God’s creation through science. And so on.

The notion that Catholic education “requires” weekly mass or repetitive sacrament prep *during the school day* is absurd, lazy, and old-fashioned.

How many kids — especially younger kids — get anything out of mass during the school day? If you want a true “Catholic education,” there are better ways to do it. Does Notre Dame or other Catholic colleges require weekly Mass during classes? Why not? Are they providing an inferior “Catholic education”?

If you call the celebration of Mass (at anytime of the week) “absurd, lazy, and old fashioned” you truly do not understand what the significance of Mass is in Catholicism.

I guess colleges like Notre Dame and most Catholic high schools are just heretics then. None requires students to attend mass on a weekday, every week, during school hours. Mass is for SUNDAYS, with family. Not at 9 am on weekdays during school.

So don’t send your kids to a parochial school? I don’t really understand your point here. You have a choice, send your kids to public school and use CCD for their religious education. Weekly mass at K-8 schools is part of the faith formation. I’m glad my kids have had the experience of attending weekly with their classmates. If you don’t see the value, that’s fine. There are many other schools to choose from.

I suspect the PP who opposes Mass is one of those people who believes in the prestige of private v. public school, but can’t truly afford a non-parochial private school. Ironically, what makes parochial school more affordable are the massive subsidies from the parish…which statistically come from regular church-going parishioners. It is incredibly frustrating when people chasing a private school experience walk into a school and want to change the most basic elements of that school’s identity.

Nobody “opposes Mass.” Previous posters have expressed frustration at the slow but obvious decline at some schools in academics and a failure to make academics and teaching the top priority. The results speak for themselves.

If parochial schools have a such special, unique mission and priorities, then why do they duplicate ACPS and FPCS calendar/number of school days? Just a coincidence?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This whole conversation is silly. You can have religious education by *integrating* religion into math, reading, science, social studies, etc. Kill two birds with one stone. For example, use religious texts to teach reading. Use religious examples to teach math. Teach the wonder of God’s creation through science. And so on.

The notion that Catholic education “requires” weekly mass or repetitive sacrament prep *during the school day* is absurd, lazy, and old-fashioned.

How many kids — especially younger kids — get anything out of mass during the school day? If you want a true “Catholic education,” there are better ways to do it. Does Notre Dame or other Catholic colleges require weekly Mass during classes? Why not? Are they providing an inferior “Catholic education”?

If you call the celebration of Mass (at anytime of the week) “absurd, lazy, and old fashioned” you truly do not understand what the significance of Mass is in Catholicism.

I guess colleges like Notre Dame and most Catholic high schools are just heretics then. None requires students to attend mass on a weekday, every week, during school hours. Mass is for SUNDAYS, with family. Not at 9 am on weekdays during school.

So don’t send your kids to a parochial school? I don’t really understand your point here. You have a choice, send your kids to public school and use CCD for their religious education. Weekly mass at K-8 schools is part of the faith formation. I’m glad my kids have had the experience of attending weekly with their classmates. If you don’t see the value, that’s fine. There are many other schools to choose from.

I suspect the PP who opposes Mass is one of those people who believes in the prestige of private v. public school, but can’t truly afford a non-parochial private school. Ironically, what makes parochial school more affordable are the massive subsidies from the parish…which statistically come from regular church-going parishioners. It is incredibly frustrating when people chasing a private school experience walk into a school and want to change the most basic elements of that school’s identity.

Nobody “opposes Mass.” Previous posters have expressed frustration at the slow but obvious decline at some schools in academics and a failure to make academics and teaching the top priority. The results speak for themselves.

If parochial schools have a such special, unique mission and priorities, then why do they duplicate ACPS and FPCS calendar/number of school days? Just a coincidence?

Some of you can’t help but move the goalpost, while at the same time you fail to make a compelling case for why specifically Catholic traditions in a Catholic school are destroying academics.

[Anonymous]

You guys, Mass is less than an hour each week. They have religion as a CLASS multiple times a week. If you’re going to get twisted about time away from academics, that should be your complaint.

DC just graduated from a parochial K-8. I’m personally not Catholic (DH and DC are), but it truly didn’t bother me that they went to Mass and had Religion class because that is the structure of Catholic school. Accept it or don’t, but arguing about it seems absurd.

[Anonymous]

Religion class is great and has a lot of academic value. Learning about religion and history and culture, etc.

Mass is an important religious ritual but is not “educational.” It’s for Sunday. Frankly, it dilutes the sacredness of Mass to force it during school hours. It’s weird.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Religion class is great and has a lot of academic value. Learning about religion and history and culture, etc.

Mass is an important religious ritual but is not “educational.” It’s for Sunday. Frankly, it dilutes the sacredness of Mass to force it during school hours. It’s weird.

What’s weird is your lack of understanding about the Mass.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Religion class is great and has a lot of academic value. Learning about religion and history and culture, etc.

Mass is an important religious ritual but is not “educational.” It’s for Sunday. Frankly, it dilutes the sacredness of Mass to force it during school hours. It’s weird.

LOL, I think the Pope would disagree. Churches offer Mass every single day. Pretty sure every Mass is considered sacred.

Anyway, the non-Catholic parent PP here again, it is truly something to see an entire school of kids from k-8 sitting quietly for the better part of an hour. Self-control, respect for a time and place, and other intangibles are skills being taught at Mass as well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This whole conversation is silly. You can have religious education by *integrating* religion into math, reading, science, social studies, etc. Kill two birds with one stone. For example, use religious texts to teach reading. Use religious examples to teach math. Teach the wonder of God’s creation through science. And so on.

The notion that Catholic education “requires” weekly mass or repetitive sacrament prep *during the school day* is absurd, lazy, and old-fashioned.

How many kids — especially younger kids — get anything out of mass during the school day? If you want a true “Catholic education,” there are better ways to do it. Does Notre Dame or other Catholic colleges require weekly Mass during classes? Why not? Are they providing an inferior “Catholic education”?

If you call the celebration of Mass (at anytime of the week) “absurd, lazy, and old fashioned” you truly do not understand what the significance of Mass is in Catholicism.

I guess colleges like Notre Dame and most Catholic high schools are just heretics then. None requires students to attend mass on a weekday, every week, during school hours. Mass is for SUNDAYS, with family. Not at 9 am on weekdays during school.

So don’t send your kids to a parochial school? I don’t really understand your point here. You have a choice, send your kids to public school and use CCD for their religious education. Weekly mass at K-8 schools is part of the faith formation. I’m glad my kids have had the experience of attending weekly with their classmates. If you don’t see the value, that’s fine. There are many other schools to choose from.

I suspect the PP who opposes Mass is one of those people who believes in the prestige of private v. public school, but can’t truly afford a non-parochial private school. Ironically, what makes parochial school more affordable are the massive subsidies from the parish…which statistically come from regular church-going parishioners. It is incredibly frustrating when people chasing a private school experience walk into a school and want to change the most basic elements of that school’s identity.

Nobody “opposes Mass.” Previous posters have expressed frustration at the slow but obvious decline at some schools in academics and a failure to make academics and teaching the top priority. The results speak for themselves.

If parochial schools have a such special, unique mission and priorities, then why do they duplicate ACPS and FPCS calendar/number of school days? Just a coincidence?

What a weird gripe. This is common in both parochial and independent schools. A large force in that is that not all teachers, and definitely not all support staff (paras, admin, janitorial, foodservice, etc) have children who attend the private school they teach at, many are public school parents. A large percentage of staff would be either calling out or having to find childcare for those days. Combine that with the nature of a K-8 school where parents may have high schoolers in public, or at other private schools that follow the public school calendar for the same reason, or younger kids in a preschool that also follows the public school schedule, and it logistically is often more convenient for parents as well to match the local public school calendar.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This whole conversation is silly. You can have religious education by *integrating* religion into math, reading, science, social studies, etc. Kill two birds with one stone. For example, use religious texts to teach reading. Use religious examples to teach math. Teach the wonder of God’s creation through science. And so on.

The notion that Catholic education “requires” weekly mass or repetitive sacrament prep *during the school day* is absurd, lazy, and old-fashioned.

How many kids — especially younger kids — get anything out of mass during the school day? If you want a true “Catholic education,” there are better ways to do it. Does Notre Dame or other Catholic colleges require weekly Mass during classes? Why not? Are they providing an inferior “Catholic education”?

If you call the celebration of Mass (at anytime of the week) “absurd, lazy, and old fashioned” you truly do not understand what the significance of Mass is in Catholicism.

I guess colleges like Notre Dame and most Catholic high schools are just heretics then. None requires students to attend mass on a weekday, every week, during school hours. Mass is for SUNDAYS, with family. Not at 9 am on weekdays during school.

So don’t send your kids to a parochial school? I don’t really understand your point here. You have a choice, send your kids to public school and use CCD for their religious education. Weekly mass at K-8 schools is part of the faith formation. I’m glad my kids have had the experience of attending weekly with their classmates. If you don’t see the value, that’s fine. There are many other schools to choose from.

I suspect the PP who opposes Mass is one of those people who believes in the prestige of private v. public school, but can’t truly afford a non-parochial private school. Ironically, what makes parochial school more affordable are the massive subsidies from the parish…which statistically come from regular church-going parishioners. It is incredibly frustrating when people chasing a private school experience walk into a school and want to change the most basic elements of that school’s identity.

Nobody “opposes Mass.” Previous posters have expressed frustration at the slow but obvious decline at some schools in academics and a failure to make academics and teaching the top priority. The results speak for themselves.

If parochial schools have a such special, unique mission and priorities, then why do they duplicate ACPS and FPCS calendar/number of school days? Just a coincidence?

What a weird gripe. This is common in both parochial and independent schools. A large force in that is that not all teachers, and definitely not all support staff (paras, admin, janitorial, foodservice, etc) have children who attend the private school they teach at, many are public school parents. A large percentage of staff would be either calling out or having to find childcare for those days. Combine that with the nature of a K-8 school where parents may have high schoolers in public, or at other private schools that follow the public school calendar for the same reason, or younger kids in a preschool that also follows the public school schedule, and it logistically is often more convenient for parents as well to match the local public school calendar.

Probably the most naive, uninformed comment in DCUM history. The reason they match public school calendars is $$$. NOVA Catholic K-8 have a hard time competing for teachers as it is, much less if they required teachers to work more days for less pay compared to public.

I guess mass is important, but not important enough for a longer school year or a long summer vacation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This whole conversation is silly. You can have religious education by *integrating* religion into math, reading, science, social studies, etc. Kill two birds with one stone. For example, use religious texts to teach reading. Use religious examples to teach math. Teach the wonder of God’s creation through science. And so on.

The notion that Catholic education “requires” weekly mass or repetitive sacrament prep *during the school day* is absurd, lazy, and old-fashioned.

How many kids — especially younger kids — get anything out of mass during the school day? If you want a true “Catholic education,” there are better ways to do it. Does Notre Dame or other Catholic colleges require weekly Mass during classes? Why not? Are they providing an inferior “Catholic education”?

If you call the celebration of Mass (at anytime of the week) “absurd, lazy, and old fashioned” you truly do not understand what the significance of Mass is in Catholicism.

I guess colleges like Notre Dame and most Catholic high schools are just heretics then. None requires students to attend mass on a weekday, every week, during school hours. Mass is for SUNDAYS, with family. Not at 9 am on weekdays during school.

So don’t send your kids to a parochial school? I don’t really understand your point here. You have a choice, send your kids to public school and use CCD for their religious education. Weekly mass at K-8 schools is part of the faith formation. I’m glad my kids have had the experience of attending weekly with their classmates. If you don’t see the value, that’s fine. There are many other schools to choose from.

I suspect the PP who opposes Mass is one of those people who believes in the prestige of private v. public school, but can’t truly afford a non-parochial private school. Ironically, what makes parochial school more affordable are the massive subsidies from the parish…which statistically come from regular church-going parishioners. It is incredibly frustrating when people chasing a private school experience walk into a school and want to change the most basic elements of that school’s identity.

Nobody “opposes Mass.” Previous posters have expressed frustration at the slow but obvious decline at some schools in academics and a failure to make academics and teaching the top priority. The results speak for themselves.

If parochial schools have a such special, unique mission and priorities, then why do they duplicate ACPS and FPCS calendar/number of school days? Just a coincidence?

What a weird gripe. This is common in both parochial and independent schools. A large force in that is that not all teachers, and definitely not all support staff (paras, admin, janitorial, foodservice, etc) have children who attend the private school they teach at, many are public school parents. A large percentage of staff would be either calling out or having to find childcare for those days. Combine that with the nature of a K-8 school where parents may have high schoolers in public, or at other private schools that follow the public school calendar for the same reason, or younger kids in a preschool that also follows the public school schedule, and it logistically is often more convenient for parents as well to match the local public school calendar.

Probably the most naive, uninformed comment in DCUM history. The reason they match public school calendars is $$$. NOVA Catholic K-8 have a hard time competing for teachers as it is, much less if they required teachers to work more days for less pay compared to public.

I guess mass is important, but not important enough for a longer school year or a long summer vacation.

This is so naive. Have you ever sat on a board? If so, you would appreciate the headache and expense of adding a large chunk of time to the school calendar. You clearly have an issue with Catholic Mass. You are also clearly unhappy with the academics of Catholic school. You aren’t garnering the sympathy you thought you’d have to your anti-Mass stance. If you have such a vitriolic response, Catholic school is not a good match for your needs and expectations. Attending Catholic school is purely voluntary, no one is making you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This whole conversation is silly. You can have religious education by *integrating* religion into math, reading, science, social studies, etc. Kill two birds with one stone. For example, use religious texts to teach reading. Use religious examples to teach math. Teach the wonder of God’s creation through science. And so on.

The notion that Catholic education “requires” weekly mass or repetitive sacrament prep *during the school day* is absurd, lazy, and old-fashioned.

How many kids — especially younger kids — get anything out of mass during the school day? If you want a true “Catholic education,” there are better ways to do it. Does Notre Dame or other Catholic colleges require weekly Mass during classes? Why not? Are they providing an inferior “Catholic education”?

If you call the celebration of Mass (at anytime of the week) “absurd, lazy, and old fashioned” you truly do not understand what the significance of Mass is in Catholicism.

I guess colleges like Notre Dame and most Catholic high schools are just heretics then. None requires students to attend mass on a weekday, every week, during school hours. Mass is for SUNDAYS, with family. Not at 9 am on weekdays during school.

So don’t send your kids to a parochial school? I don’t really understand your point here. You have a choice, send your kids to public school and use CCD for their religious education. Weekly mass at K-8 schools is part of the faith formation. I’m glad my kids have had the experience of attending weekly with their classmates. If you don’t see the value, that’s fine. There are many other schools to choose from.

I suspect the PP who opposes Mass is one of those people who believes in the prestige of private v. public school, but can’t truly afford a non-parochial private school. Ironically, what makes parochial school more affordable are the massive subsidies from the parish…which statistically come from regular church-going parishioners. It is incredibly frustrating when people chasing a private school experience walk into a school and want to change the most basic elements of that school’s identity.

Nobody “opposes Mass.” Previous posters have expressed frustration at the slow but obvious decline at some schools in academics and a failure to make academics and teaching the top priority. The results speak for themselves.

If parochial schools have a such special, unique mission and priorities, then why do they duplicate ACPS and FPCS calendar/number of school days? Just a coincidence?

What a weird gripe. This is common in both parochial and independent schools. A large force in that is that not all teachers, and definitely not all support staff (paras, admin, janitorial, foodservice, etc) have children who attend the private school they teach at, many are public school parents. A large percentage of staff would be either calling out or having to find childcare for those days. Combine that with the nature of a K-8 school where parents may have high schoolers in public, or at other private schools that follow the public school calendar for the same reason, or younger kids in a preschool that also follows the public school schedule, and it logistically is often more convenient for parents as well to match the local public school calendar.

Probably the most naive, uninformed comment in DCUM history. The reason they match public school calendars is $$$. NOVA Catholic K-8 have a hard time competing for teachers as it is, much less if they required teachers to work more days for less pay compared to public.

I guess mass is important, but not important enough for a longer school year or a long summer vacation.

This is so naive. Have you ever sat on a board? If so, you would appreciate the headache and expense of adding a large chunk of time to the school calendar. You clearly have an issue with Catholic Mass. You are also clearly unhappy with the academics of Catholic school. You aren’t garnering the sympathy you thought you’d have to your anti-Mass stance. If you have such a vitriolic response, Catholic school is not a good match for your needs and expectations. Attending Catholic school is purely voluntary, no one is making you.

Typical. No dissent, criticism, or new ideas shall be tolerated. Accept the status quo and shut up, or go elsewhere.

Mass every Friday (and everything else) shall not be questioned or thou shall be banished.

Great way to build a community and improve.

No wonder the school is hemorrhaging staff!!

[Anonymous]

If you don't want weekly mass, don't go to a parochial school. How hard is that to get?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you don't want weekly mass, don't go to a parochial school. How hard is that to get?

I love the Friday mass. I get to sleep in on Sundays! Mass for the kids is already taken care of! Priceless.

And fortunately for my kids, they have a SAHP who can compensate for the lost academics at home. Sucks for those kids who don’t have that, but oh well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you don't want weekly mass, don't go to a parochial school. How hard is that to get?

I love the Friday mass. I get to sleep in on Sundays! Mass for the kids is already taken care of! Priceless.

And fortunately for my kids, they have a SAHP who can compensate for the lost academics at home. Sucks for those kids who don’t have that, but oh well.

You really do not understand the requirements of the Church.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you don't want weekly mass, don't go to a parochial school. How hard is that to get?

I love the Friday mass. I get to sleep in on Sundays! Mass for the kids is already taken care of! Priceless.

And fortunately for my kids, they have a SAHP who can compensate for the lost academics at home. Sucks for those kids who don’t have that, but oh well.

You sound absolutely miserable.