speed or technical ability? Age 11.

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We simply are not attracting the kids with the highest ceilings…. We are simply not attracting the best.

LMFAO Messi when he returns to Argentina to run for president after spending 25 years in Florida:

‘When the U.S. sends its footballers, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re sending players that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing their high school gym teachers. They’re bringing ”American football” coaches. They’re basketball players. And some, I assume, actually play real futbol and not just long-distance hackysack.”

LOL! We have a winner of this thread.

yea because the US is sending soooo many men play top tier soccer.. Messi owning it as a nearing past prime player in US league.. should tell you alot about US soccer. Now pick another sport. Would never happen in our primary sports.

How do you explain that the past 5 NBA MVP's are European?
How do you explain 1/5 the NBA is European?
How do you explain the number of baseball players not from America?
How do you explain the current International Basketball World Champion isn't America?

American pro sports are definitely a melting pot. 28% of MLB baseball players come from outside America. The NHL has twice as many Canadians as Americans, plus large numbers of Swedish, Russian, and Finnish players. Even the NFL had 88 foreign-born players who took a snap in 2023.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Again american soccer will continue to suffer until it becomes a primary sports. We simply are not attracting the kids with the highest ceilings. Im sorry you spent 1000s on technical training on a kid with a lower ceiling.

Please feel free to present the verifiable data and evidence to make this statement factual truth.
Thanks

you cant be that dumb. im pretty sure in US produce the money maker sports are not soccer. The money talks. Lets compare salaries of those sports in the US. Hmmm yea im going for mls. No im picking football, basketball, baseball.. christ hockey. We are simply not attracting the best. I will repeat until it becomes a primary sport US soccer will suffer.

Soccer in America is not "attracting the best kids" from where?
Mexico? Cuba? Dominican Republic?

Where is your factual verifiable scientific provable evidence that at 5, 6 and 7 years old, the sport performance "ceiling" of all kids in America is identified and the ones with the highest "ceiling" choose sports other than soccer?

How is "ceiling" measured?
What is "ceiling"?
What are the elements of this "ceiling" as it applies to Each Sport?

(as you said, I'm dumb, so I need you to spell it out)

results on international stage. And watching what near end of career Europeans do when they play mls. Again moronic statement if you think the majority of our top potential kids are playing soccer. Its not a primary sport here. And big money in other US sports. Prove it wrong..

Absolutely nothing to prove wrong from what you've said.
You're just rambling your opinion

You were asked several questions to prove your point. You can't answer one. You're just repeating your dunce opinion.

What are "top potential" kids? When and how are they identified? Who identifies all the kids in America for potential? What age?
What are the methods of measurement? Where is the data stored?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

We simply are not attracting the kids with the highest ceilings…. We are simply not attracting the best.

LMFAO Messi when he returns to Argentina to run for president after spending 25 years in Florida:

‘When the U.S. sends its footballers, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re sending players that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing their high school gym teachers. They’re bringing ”American football” coaches. They’re basketball players. And some, I assume, actually play real futbol and not just long-distance hackysack.”

LOL! We have a winner of this thread.

yea because the US is sending soooo many men play top tier soccer.. Messi owning it as a nearing past prime player in US league.. should tell you alot about US soccer. Now pick another sport. Would never happen in our primary sports.

How do you explain that the past 5 NBA MVP's are European?
How do you explain 1/5 the NBA is European?
How do you explain the number of baseball players not from America?
How do you explain the current International Basketball World Champion isn't America?

American pro sports are definitely a melting pot. 28% of MLB baseball players come from outside America. The NHL has twice as many Canadians as Americans, plus large numbers of Swedish, Russian, and Finnish players. Even the NFL had 88 foreign-born players who took a snap in 2023.

But, but, but our top potential kids go to these sports

[Anonymous]

Go to work people. You don't even sound smart. Get a life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again american soccer will continue to suffer until it becomes a primary sports. We simply are not attracting the kids with the highest ceilings. Im sorry you spent 1000s on technical training on a kid with a lower ceiling.

Please feel free to present the verifiable data and evidence to make this statement factual truth.
Thanks

you cant be that dumb. im pretty sure in US produce the money maker sports are not soccer. The money talks. Lets compare salaries of those sports in the US. Hmmm yea im going for mls. No im picking football, basketball, baseball.. christ hockey. We are simply not attracting the best. I will repeat until it becomes a primary sport US soccer will suffer.

Soccer in America is not "attracting the best kids" from where?
Mexico? Cuba? Dominican Republic?

Where is your factual verifiable scientific provable evidence that at 5, 6 and 7 years old, the sport performance "ceiling" of all kids in America is identified and the ones with the highest "ceiling" choose sports other than soccer?

How is "ceiling" measured?
What is "ceiling"?
What are the elements of this "ceiling" as it applies to Each Sport?

(as you said, I'm dumb, so I need you to spell it out)

results on international stage. And watching what near end of career Europeans do when they play mls. Again moronic statement if you think the majority of our top potential kids are playing soccer. Its not a primary sport here. And big money in other US sports. Prove it wrong..

Absolutely nothing to prove wrong from what you've said.
You're just rambling your opinion

You were asked several questions to prove your point. You can't answer one. You're just repeating your dunce opinion.

What are "top potential" kids? When and how are they identified? Who identifies all the kids in America for potential? What age?
What are the methods of measurement? Where is the data stored?

again your are a moron if you think american soccer is attract our best. Its not opinion its fact.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

We simply are not attracting the kids with the highest ceilings…. We are simply not attracting the best.

LMFAO Messi when he returns to Argentina to run for president after spending 25 years in Florida:

‘When the U.S. sends its footballers, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re sending players that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing their high school gym teachers. They’re bringing ”American football” coaches. They’re basketball players. And some, I assume, actually play real futbol and not just long-distance hackysack.”

LOL! We have a winner of this thread.

yea because the US is sending soooo many men play top tier soccer.. Messi owning it as a nearing past prime player in US league.. should tell you alot about US soccer. Now pick another sport. Would never happen in our primary sports.

How do you explain that the past 5 NBA MVP's are European?
How do you explain 1/5 the NBA is European?
How do you explain the number of baseball players not from America?
How do you explain the current International Basketball World Champion isn't America?

American pro sports are definitely a melting pot. 28% of MLB baseball players come from outside America. The NHL has twice as many Canadians as Americans, plus large numbers of Swedish, Russian, and Finnish players. Even the NFL had 88 foreign-born players who took a snap in 2023.

yep lots of money even for average players. Vice pro soccer in US.

[Anonymous]

I truly believe that fame and fortune attracts the best. How many football, baseball or basketball professional jerseys are sold compared to soccer jerseys?

Of course there are always exceptions where the most athletic kids prefer soccer over other sports. Hence, they might be willing to put in the necessary technical training on a daily basis at an early age.

The best players are the fast players with incredible technical skills (ie Mbappe). But if players were born with speed, they should work on their technical skills. And for slow players, they need to work on their technical skills, soccer IQ (positioning, situational awareness, etc.) has the speed of play.

Speed of play and speed of good decision-making are the best counters against fast/physical players.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I truly believe that fame and fortune attracts the best. How many football, baseball or basketball professional jerseys are sold compared to soccer jerseys?

Of course there are always exceptions where the most athletic kids prefer soccer over other sports. Hence, they might be willing to put in the necessary technical training on a daily basis at an early age.

The best players are the fast players with incredible technical skills (ie Mbappe). But if players were born with speed, they should work on their technical skills. And for slow players, they need to work on their technical skills, soccer IQ (positioning, situational awareness, etc.) has the speed of play.

Speed of play and speed of good decision-making are the best counters against fast/physical players.

I don't know, why don't you provide the jersey sales numbers?

Parents decide which sports they put their kids.
So how do the so-called most talented kids choose which sport they want to play?

If your parents put you in basketball or baseball from you're 5 years old and you become a good basketball or baseball player, how does that mean you're a better natural talent than a soccer player?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I truly believe that fame and fortune attracts the best. How many football, baseball or basketball professional jerseys are sold compared to soccer jerseys?

Of course there are always exceptions where the most athletic kids prefer soccer over other sports. Hence, they might be willing to put in the necessary technical training on a daily basis at an early age.

The best players are the fast players with incredible technical skills (ie Mbappe). But if players were born with speed, they should work on their technical skills. And for slow players, they need to work on their technical skills, soccer IQ (positioning, situational awareness, etc.) has the speed of play.

Speed of play and speed of good decision-making are the best counters against fast/physical players.

I don't know, why don't you provide the jersey sales numbers?

Parents decide which sports they put their kids.
So how do the so-called most talented kids choose which sport they want to play?

If your parents put you in basketball or baseball from you're 5 years old and you become a good basketball or baseball player, how does that mean you're a better natural talent than a soccer player?

You must be the type of parent that forces your DC to play a certain sport. Other parents typically let their DC choose the sport. I put my DC in different sports and let them decide which they like and want to continue.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I truly believe that fame and fortune attracts the best. How many football, baseball or basketball professional jerseys are sold compared to soccer jerseys?

Of course there are always exceptions where the most athletic kids prefer soccer over other sports. Hence, they might be willing to put in the necessary technical training on a daily basis at an early age.

The best players are the fast players with incredible technical skills (ie Mbappe). But if players were born with speed, they should work on their technical skills. And for slow players, they need to work on their technical skills, soccer IQ (positioning, situational awareness, etc.) has the speed of play.

Speed of play and speed of good decision-making are the best counters against fast/physical players.

I don't know, why don't you provide the jersey sales numbers?

Parents decide which sports they put their kids.
So how do the so-called most talented kids choose which sport they want to play?

If your parents put you in basketball or baseball from you're 5 years old and you become a good basketball or baseball player, how does that mean you're a better natural talent than a soccer player?

You must be the type of parent that forces your DC to play a certain sport. Other parents typically let their DC choose the sport. I put my DC in different sports and let them decide which they like and want to continue.

How does that make your DC more naturally talented than a soccer player if they decide to be a Running Back?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I truly believe that fame and fortune attracts the best. How many football, baseball or basketball professional jerseys are sold compared to soccer jerseys?

Of course there are always exceptions where the most athletic kids prefer soccer over other sports. Hence, they might be willing to put in the necessary technical training on a daily basis at an early age.

The best players are the fast players with incredible technical skills (ie Mbappe). But if players were born with speed, they should work on their technical skills. And for slow players, they need to work on their technical skills, soccer IQ (positioning, situational awareness, etc.) has the speed of play.

Speed of play and speed of good decision-making are the best counters against fast/physical players.

I don't know, why don't you provide the jersey sales numbers?

Parents decide which sports they put their kids.
So how do the so-called most talented kids choose which sport they want to play?

If your parents put you in basketball or baseball from you're 5 years old and you become a good basketball or baseball player, how does that mean you're a better natural talent than a soccer player?

You must be the type of parent that forces your DC to play a certain sport. Other parents typically let their DC choose the sport. I put my DC in different sports and let them decide which they like and want to continue.

You just confirmed the PP by saying they decide from the sports You the Parent put them in

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Again, this confirms the 2018 Ballon D’Or winner and one of the baddest ballers of all time (hint it’s not Messi) would not make it the US under this criteria.

My favorite player! The Croatian wizard.

Except that Modric and Messi are both fast and athletic on top of having brilliant skills, same as with every single player in all the top leagues in the world. Even OP’s extremely overly simplistic question doesn’t ask about a kid’s height.

Modric and Messi have quick reaction and fast frequency feet

They are not "fast" over distance

They are absolutely fast over distance compared to the general population, as well as having all the other things.

Never seen Messi or Modric on any list of fastest footballers
General population is quite irrelevant

Nope. The general population—two random 11 year olds, presumably from the DMV—is the subject of the original post, which a PP rightfully identified as idiotic, and you and I are both idiots for contributing to it, though not as moronic as the posters who know zip about the sport trotting out “We suck because our best athletes don’t play soccer.” Neither man would succeed in the NFL or NBA, but both men are superior athletes with above average speed to go with their superhuman brains and balance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Again, this confirms the 2018 Ballon D’Or winner and one of the baddest ballers of all time (hint it’s not Messi) would not make it the US under this criteria.

My favorite player! The Croatian wizard.

Except that Modric and Messi are both fast and athletic on top of having brilliant skills, same as with every single player in all the top leagues in the world. Even OP’s extremely overly simplistic question doesn’t ask about a kid’s height.

Modric and Messi have quick reaction and fast frequency feet

They are not "fast" over distance

They are absolutely fast over distance compared to the general population, as well as having all the other things.

Never seen Messi or Modric on any list of fastest footballers
General population is quite irrelevant

Nope. The general population—two random 11 year olds, presumably from the DMV—is the subject of the original post, which a PP rightfully identified as idiotic, and you and I are both idiots for contributing to it, though not as moronic as the posters who know zip about the sport trotting out “We suck because our best athletes don’t play soccer.” Neither man would succeed in the NFL or NBA, but both men are superior athletes with above average speed to go with their superhuman brains and balance.

It's actually not that idiotic, when you see how many people responded truly believing speed is more important at 11 years old

oh. wait

[Anonymous]

There's a balance at that age. Speed usually bests overall technicality usually. I can have the greatest ball control in the world, but if I have no endurance or speed than it makes me actually less of a threat.

You can train most kids to be speedy (unless they have a biomechanical issue), just as you can make them technical. So do both, not just one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There's a balance at that age. Speed usually bests overall technicality usually. I can have the greatest ball control in the world, but if I have no endurance or speed than it makes me actually less of a threat.

You can train most kids to be speedy (unless they have a biomechanical issue), just as you can make them technical. So do both, not just one.

How does speed best technical ability? Please explain in detail

What do you mean by have no endurance, in soccer terms?

Most elements of quickness and reaction and explosiveness can be improved with consistent good SAQ training.
You can't make a slow or average kid 'speedy'

If a kid isn't the fastest, doesn't mean they are slow