OJ simpson Died

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Robert kardashian before he died told Barbara Walter’s he has his doubts along with all the lawyers of oj’s innocence because of the overwhelming blood evidence

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Anonymous wrote:I hope his estate goes to Fred Goldman.

+1 and his children, of course.

Doesn't OJ still owe them 114 million?

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone thinking he’s innocent has their head in the clouds. They found bloody clothes in his bedroom. Let me guess- you think Furman picked his licks and planted clothes in his bedroom? You guys are lost. Oj killed them- plain and simple

Both are true.

Oj did it and furman planted evidence

Not true. He did do it but furman didn’t plant evidence. No proof of that, whatsoever. They just proved he’s a racist

Why did he plea the fifth when asked if he planted evidence?

It’s a yes or no question. He was afraid of perjuring himself which means he probably did plant evidence.

The prison nurse who testified he always collects 8 mm of blood from all his procedures was pressured into changing his testimony and saying he only collected 6.7 mm of blood from Simpson after 1-2 mm went missing from the lab .

Years later, he said he was adamant his first testimony that it was his standard 8mm collected was true because 6.7 is just not an even number and not the standard he’s done for 20+ years

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Anonymous wrote:He died before he was able to find the real killer!

I’ve always believed the real killer was his son from his first wife. Jason was a chef , had some sort of rage/bipolar disorder and a restraining order for wanting to stab an ex gf. Huge red flags there. OJ apparently hated blood and suffered from arthritis. An arthritic man stabbing over and over two adults including a karate trained Ron never tracked for me and the closeness his kids have to him also confirms my suspicions. The oldest boy was crazy

But yet it was OJs blood at the scene and the victims’ blood was in OJs car and on clothing found in his bedroom. And oh wait, OJ was insanely possessive and had a history of beating Nicole, but sure it was Jason.

The blood on the scene is controversial because his defense was able to note that OJ was getting blood drawn while he was in jail to aid the investigation. The defense was able to use Mark Fuhrmans racism and LAPD’s past history of planting blood on the scene for black suspects to be able to get OJ acquitted. So much focus was on the glove but it was really the Fuhrmann comments and his history of evidence planting that really ruined the case . The entire prosecution says they knew things were over after that because the judge was not happy and neither were the jurors about Furhman

To my mind this is one of the three real tragedies of this whole situation:

1) that OJ, who I think had some real talents and charm, managed to grow up in a way where he had a lot of unresolved anger/rage issues….he sublimated it through football, but never dealt with whatever demons he had. This is true of so many men from rough backgrounds or neighborhoods and it’s a tragedy each time.

2) That Nicole didn’t have the family support or self-esteem to choose a different path, and kept getting pulled back to him even after he beat her terribly, and all their fancy friends and the police turned a blind eye because he was rich and famous

3) That the LAPD allowed racist liars to so infect the department that the jurors, and much of the country, just could not trust the evidence and ended up disliking the LAPD even more than they did OJ.

It just highlights three of the saddest, most problematic parts of our country’s race, gender and class dynamics. It’s incredibly sad on so many levels.

I just want to take issue with the bolded - out of a post I agree with nearly entirely, I do take issue with that sentence because it stereotypes domestic abusers/tyrants as largely being from poor backgrounds. That just isn't true. Domestic abuse crosses all SES and is just as prevalent across them, but it is just not as often arrested and prosecuted in the middle and upper classes as it is among the poor.

Nicole & OJ's story was the perfect example of that phenomenon, and there was a country filled with middle class and UMC battered wives and girlfriends who saw themselves in Nicole and for once didn't turn away. But usually, we turn away or minimize and that is why domestic abuse never goes away - because boys across SES all over this country have that model of 'manhood' as their primary experience of being male and how to treat women, and the behavior and cycle of abuse perpetuates.

This tribute to Nicole Brown is one of the best things ever written about the case - it says a lot about domestic violence in America, and sadly, everything in this essay is still true and relevant today: In Memory of Nicole Brown Simpson

I don’t think the PP was saying most abusers have traumatic backgrounds. I think they were saying that many men who come from rough backgrounds suppress their issues until they bubble up in unhealthy ways. It’s a problem with men being taught to deal with things internally.

No she is ignoring that many men with no rough background are abusers.

Not either pp but just wanted to say that just because she didn’t also say it doesn’t mean she is ignoring it.

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Anonymous wrote:The news coverage is giving me PTSD. It’s so hard to convey to people not alive or aware of how all consuming the trial was. The networks led with the trial every single evening for a year. CNN had coverage 24/7. It was exhausting.

Agree.

I remember where I was when the verdict was announced. I was a 2nd year law student at UVA Law. I remember that many of the Black law students had gathered to hear the verdict and a huge cheer went out when it was read. I was shocked and stunned. Shocked that the verdict was "not guilty" and stunned that these fellow students -- who I thought looked at the case like I did -- they had studied criminal law and were taking Evidence as a class, they were smart/logical and at a pretty good law school --- they cheered when I thought it was a miscarriage of justice.

It was very surprising to me. They weren't people who followed OJ as a football player. They weren't people who had been in jail and wanted OJ to stick it to the man as a proxy for their legal revenge. It took me awhile to realize that while I thought we were on the same team ("team" being "law students"_ --- they actually had a bigger commitment/tie/attachment to the racial "team" victory that OJ represented.

It was a really shocking moment for me to see fellow law students CHEERING for a murderer being set free. OJ represented a victory over racism to them. We all came to law school to learn law, but we look at it through the glasses of our past experiences.

I could have posted this verbatim, except different law school. One of the smartest women in my class cheered and I was jaw droppingly stunned. I’d say it was for me (a white woman) my first known exposure to your last point.

Wow! I was a senior in high school at the time of the verdict. My two best friends were very proudly Black girls (as in one picked Spelman over a few Ivies). They were both as shocked and as stunned as little White me was at the verdict. We all thought OJ was obviously, beyond a doubt, guilty. I find it impossible to believe anyone educated enough to go to law school would think differently. Your law classmates sound very racist, disgusting and STUPID. Freeing a killer doesn’t address or fix past grievances and turmoil. They should be ashamed of themselves. Yuck!

Black female here to weigh in. I know many black people that thought and still think OJ was guilty of murder. Too many pp’s upthread were attempting to paint a picture that ALL black people wanted OJ free. That is just simply not the case. For the majority that did support the verdict, it was primarily because they didn’t trust the LAPD. Rightfully so.

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Anonymous wrote:He died before he was able to find the real killer!

I’ve always believed the real killer was his son from his first wife. Jason was a chef , had some sort of rage/bipolar disorder and a restraining order for wanting to stab an ex gf. Huge red flags there. OJ apparently hated blood and suffered from arthritis. An arthritic man stabbing over and over two adults including a karate trained Ron never tracked for me and the closeness his kids have to him also confirms my suspicions. The oldest boy was crazy

But yet it was OJs blood at the scene and the victims’ blood was in OJs car and on clothing found in his bedroom. And oh wait, OJ was insanely possessive and had a history of beating Nicole, but sure it was Jason.

The blood on the scene is controversial because his defense was able to note that OJ was getting blood drawn while he was in jail to aid the investigation. The defense was able to use Mark Fuhrmans racism and LAPD’s past history of planting blood on the scene for black suspects to be able to get OJ acquitted. So much focus was on the glove but it was really the Fuhrmann comments and his history of evidence planting that really ruined the case . The entire prosecution says they knew things were over after that because the judge was not happy and neither were the jurors about Furhman

Innocent people don't flee the scene with their passport, cash, a gun, and hair dye in their car.

Exactly how would hair dye help a black 6’1 200 lb ex football player with a distinct gait, who’s face was plastered all over America, escape detection?

Additionally, PP doesn't realize what black men living in very corrupt police districts felt in the 1990s. Every decade we have made more progress on social injustice, but even with all the progress since the civil rights era of the 1960's, in the 1990's, if you were a black man targeted by largely white police forces in corrupt areas, you were essentially assumed to be guilty until proven innocent. Plus, as was shown, the LA police had absolutely no compunction against planting evidence to support their charges. Back then, affluent, large-white communities blamed all their woes on minorities who were often scapegoated to protect white privileged individuals.

This is completely aside from whether OJ was guilty or innocent. The fact is that a black man in the 1990's being charged by the LAPD was virtually an open and shut case and the black man was going to be found guilty whether he was or not.

Yes, I know that many of you privileged white people cannot fathom how multi-tiered the justice system was against those that were non-white, but it was and anyone who was not white was very pleased to see someone escape from the very prejudicial justice system, even if he was guilty. It gave hope that maybe precedent would be set and would help the many innocent minority suspects from being ground up by the biased and bigoted system.

We fathom the injustices toward black men completely. We cannot fathom what that has to do with letting a man get away with brutally murdering two innocent people. There is no parallel here. You are broken inside if you get satisfaction from a cold-blooded murderer walking free as some sort of proxy for innocent people mistreated by the justice system. That's why this was so horrifying. That anyone could see this disgusting case as somehow retribution for the mistreatment of black people. It's twisted.

If Nicole had been black, would you have cheered? I'm guessing not. So if you cheered the murderer of Nicole, it speaks to your deep seated hatred of white people. If you see all white people as the same and worthy of being murdered, who is the real racist here?

Actions have consequences… blame the actions not the consequences.

Had you stepped up stop the actions (injustices) the consequence (another injustice) would not have happened.

People hate consequences.

WTF!?!!?!? How is a narcissistic, abusive sportstar’s continued beating, then stalking, and ultimate bloody stabbing murdering his ex-wife and some guy who may or not have been interested in her a legitimate consequence of past racial injustices?!?!

There is something very deeply wrong with you, PP.

Listen, I'm very white and grew up very WASPy, although working class. I went to an elite law school so I've rubbed elbows with all SES. And I spent years in the criminal justice system, beginning with a defender clinic in DC courts and spanning four other jurisdictions in the northeast, southwest, mountain west as well as the DC experience - I spent a number of those years as a victim advocate and then as a prosecutor, so I have worked very closely with police, state crime labs, etc. I have seen it all personally and spent decades studying it via other cases beyond my own.

Our criminal justice system is systemically racist. It is. Anyone denying that is a liar or fool. If we are still arguing about this today, we are lost. It is profoundly broken and needs massive reforms to be unbroken.

No, it's not great that OJ was acquitted in part because some juror(s) wanted to nullify the law due to their feelings about systemic racism that dated back to the inception of LA policing. But I cannot blame them, because I could list all day cases of black men and women who were actually innocent being railroaded and even lynched with the tacit approval of the American criminal injustice system.

But I will also say as an experienced defender and prosecutor, that it didn't even need to be a factor that juror(s) had feelings about system racism in LA policing. Mark Fuhrman taking the 5th when asked if he planted evidence in the case was enough reasonable doubt to drive a steamroller through - it was absolutely enough reason, in and of itself, for the jury to acquit. My outrage over the verdict was not about the jury - I sympathize with them to a person for having to endure the spectacle of that trial. The outrage over the verdict that people of whatever color hold should be directed exactly where it belongs: at the LA police. It's not even the fault of the prosecutors, because they can only do so much when one of the lead detectives who handled crucial evidence is on record as a vocal racist and cannot deny under oath planting evidence in the case.

Mark Fuhrman, as a shining example of everything wrong with LA policing, is the reason OJ Simpson walked. Stop blaming anyone else.

Hand clap. Thank you, pp. Thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:The news coverage is giving me PTSD. It’s so hard to convey to people not alive or aware of how all consuming the trial was. The networks led with the trial every single evening for a year. CNN had coverage 24/7. It was exhausting.

Agree.

I remember where I was when the verdict was announced. I was a 2nd year law student at UVA Law. I remember that many of the Black law students had gathered to hear the verdict and a huge cheer went out when it was read. I was shocked and stunned. Shocked that the verdict was "not guilty" and stunned that these fellow students -- who I thought looked at the case like I did -- they had studied criminal law and were taking Evidence as a class, they were smart/logical and at a pretty good law school --- they cheered when I thought it was a miscarriage of justice.

It was very surprising to me. They weren't people who followed OJ as a football player. They weren't people who had been in jail and wanted OJ to stick it to the man as a proxy for their legal revenge. It took me awhile to realize that while I thought we were on the same team ("team" being "law students"_ --- they actually had a bigger commitment/tie/attachment to the racial "team" victory that OJ represented.

It was a really shocking moment for me to see fellow law students CHEERING for a murderer being set free. OJ represented a victory over racism to them. We all came to law school to learn law, but we look at it through the glasses of our past experiences.

I could have posted this verbatim, except different law school. One of the smartest women in my class cheered and I was jaw droppingly stunned. I’d say it was for me (a white woman) my first known exposure to your last point.

Wow! I was a senior in high school at the time of the verdict. My two best friends were very proudly Black girls (as in one picked Spelman over a few Ivies). They were both as shocked and as stunned as little White me was at the verdict. We all thought OJ was obviously, beyond a doubt, guilty. I find it impossible to believe anyone educated enough to go to law school would think differently. Your law classmates sound very racist, disgusting and STUPID. Freeing a killer doesn’t address or fix past grievances and turmoil. They should be ashamed of themselves. Yuck!

Black female here to weigh in. I know many black people that thought and still think OJ was guilty of murder. Too many pp’s upthread were attempting to paint a picture that ALL black people wanted OJ free. That is just simply not the case. For the majority that did support the verdict, it was primarily because they didn’t trust the LAPD. Rightfully so.

Reasonable post.

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Anonymous wrote:He died before he was able to find the real killer!

I’ve always believed the real killer was his son from his first wife. Jason was a chef , had some sort of rage/bipolar disorder and a restraining order for wanting to stab an ex gf. Huge red flags there. OJ apparently hated blood and suffered from arthritis. An arthritic man stabbing over and over two adults including a karate trained Ron never tracked for me and the closeness his kids have to him also confirms my suspicions. The oldest boy was crazy

But yet it was OJs blood at the scene and the victims’ blood was in OJs car and on clothing found in his bedroom. And oh wait, OJ was insanely possessive and had a history of beating Nicole, but sure it was Jason.

The blood on the scene is controversial because his defense was able to note that OJ was getting blood drawn while he was in jail to aid the investigation. The defense was able to use Mark Fuhrmans racism and LAPD’s past history of planting blood on the scene for black suspects to be able to get OJ acquitted. So much focus was on the glove but it was really the Fuhrmann comments and his history of evidence planting that really ruined the case . The entire prosecution says they knew things were over after that because the judge was not happy and neither were the jurors about Furhman

Innocent people don't flee the scene with their passport, cash, a gun, and hair dye in their car.

Exactly how would hair dye help a black 6’1 200 lb ex football player with a distinct gait, who’s face was plastered all over America, escape detection?

Additionally, PP doesn't realize what black men living in very corrupt police districts felt in the 1990s. Every decade we have made more progress on social injustice, but even with all the progress since the civil rights era of the 1960's, in the 1990's, if you were a black man targeted by largely white police forces in corrupt areas, you were essentially assumed to be guilty until proven innocent. Plus, as was shown, the LA police had absolutely no compunction against planting evidence to support their charges. Back then, affluent, large-white communities blamed all their woes on minorities who were often scapegoated to protect white privileged individuals.

This is completely aside from whether OJ was guilty or innocent. The fact is that a black man in the 1990's being charged by the LAPD was virtually an open and shut case and the black man was going to be found guilty whether he was or not.

Yes, I know that many of you privileged white people cannot fathom how multi-tiered the justice system was against those that were non-white, but it was and anyone who was not white was very pleased to see someone escape from the very prejudicial justice system, even if he was guilty. It gave hope that maybe precedent would be set and would help the many innocent minority suspects from being ground up by the biased and bigoted system.

We fathom the injustices toward black men completely. We cannot fathom what that has to do with letting a man get away with brutally murdering two innocent people. There is no parallel here. You are broken inside if you get satisfaction from a cold-blooded murderer walking free as some sort of proxy for innocent people mistreated by the justice system. That's why this was so horrifying. That anyone could see this disgusting case as somehow retribution for the mistreatment of black people. It's twisted.

If Nicole had been black, would you have cheered? I'm guessing not. So if you cheered the murderer of Nicole, it speaks to your deep seated hatred of white people. If you see all white people as the same and worthy of being murdered, who is the real racist here?

Actions have consequences… blame the actions not the consequences.

Had you stepped up stop the actions (injustices) the consequence (another injustice) would not have happened.

People hate consequences.

WTF!?!!?!? How is a narcissistic, abusive sportstar’s continued beating, then stalking, and ultimate bloody stabbing murdering his ex-wife and some guy who may or not have been interested in her a legitimate consequence of past racial injustices?!?!

There is something very deeply wrong with you, PP.

No there’s something deeply wrong with you. You stood by and said nothing while dirty cops put innocent people in jail, planted evidence and beat them in the street.

Then 1 trial doesn’t go your way and you’re all up in arms.

You can’t stand that you fed into a system that gave you these results.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone thinking he’s innocent has their head in the clouds. They found bloody clothes in his bedroom. Let me guess- you think Furman picked his licks and planted clothes in his bedroom? You guys are lost. Oj killed them- plain and simple

Both are true.

Oj did it and furman planted evidence

Not true. He did do it but furman didn’t plant evidence. No proof of that, whatsoever. They just proved he’s a racist

Yeah, well when you plead the fifth when asked if you planted evidence, it’s clear you did.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone thinking he’s innocent has their head in the clouds. They found bloody clothes in his bedroom. Let me guess- you think Furman picked his licks and planted clothes in his bedroom? You guys are lost. Oj killed them- plain and simple

Both are true.

Oj did it and furman planted evidence

Not true. He did do it but furman didn’t plant evidence. No proof of that, whatsoever. They just proved he’s a racist

Why did he plea the fifth when asked if he planted evidence?

It’s a yes or no question. He was afraid of perjuring himself which means he probably did plant evidence.

The prison nurse who testified he always collects 8 mm of blood from all his procedures was pressured into changing his testimony and saying he only collected 6.7 mm of blood from Simpson after 1-2 mm went missing from the lab .

Years later, he said he was adamant his first testimony that it was his standard 8mm collected was true because 6.7 is just not an even number and not the standard he’s done for 20+ years

because he made it clear he was going to take the 5th on every question and Lee Bailey then posed the question about planting it at the last second. Furman made up his mind that he was just going to plead the 5th on every question. Furman explained it in many interviews that that’s what he was going to do. Watch the documentary- made in America

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I was in London during the trial working in a call center for charities (flat rate for the callers, no commission).

We were all in our 20s.

When the verdict came thru that he was not going to be found guilty, half the call room cheered (100 people). I shit you not.

I found that devastating.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone thinking he’s innocent has their head in the clouds. They found bloody clothes in his bedroom. Let me guess- you think Furman picked his licks and planted clothes in his bedroom? You guys are lost. Oj killed them- plain and simple

Both are true.

Oj did it and furman planted evidence

Not true. He did do it but furman didn’t plant evidence. No proof of that, whatsoever. They just proved he’s a racist

Yeah, well when you plead the fifth when asked if you planted evidence, it’s clear you did.

If you start answering a single question then it opens the door to ask more questions that you can’t plead the 5th.

And perhaps he didn’t plant evidence for this case but did for others.

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Eve on the Talk said she cheered about the verdict but didn’t really know why. She now believes he’s guilty.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone thinking he’s innocent has their head in the clouds. They found bloody clothes in his bedroom. Let me guess- you think Furman picked his licks and planted clothes in his bedroom? You guys are lost. Oj killed them- plain and simple

Both are true.

Oj did it and furman planted evidence

Not true. He did do it but furman didn’t plant evidence. No proof of that, whatsoever. They just proved he’s a racist

Yeah, well when you plead the fifth when asked if you planted evidence, it’s clear you did.

If you start answering a single question then it opens the door to ask more questions that you can’t plead the 5th.

And perhaps he didn’t plant evidence for this case but did for others.

Exactly why he is the reason the case was not guilty. Dirt cops… who plant evidence.

He’s the guy you need to be mad at.

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OJ went free because LAPD tried to frame a guilty man. Period.