Top colleges that are actually on the table for unhooked standard strong kids.

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Stop lying. You'd think these "top colleges" would be overrun with URMs. The URMs (8% of the total student population if you are lucky) would manage to squeak in have the stats, the ECs and everything else.

If admission was purely based on stats, URMs would be 1% of the students not 8%. They are massively over represented.

Sigh. Why do you make up these percentages? And, why do you think stats constitute the best admission criteria? Your ignorance is on display alongside your race-based bias.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Stop lying. You'd think these "top colleges" would be overrun with URMs. The URMs (8% of the total student population if you are lucky) would manage to squeak in have the stats, the ECs and everything else.

If admission was purely based on stats, URMs would be 1% of the students not 8%. They are massively over represented.

Sigh. Why do you make up these percentages? And, why do you think stats constitute the best admission criteria? Your ignorance is on display alongside your race-based bias.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Stop lying. You'd think these "top colleges" would be overrun with URMs. The URMs (8% of the total student population if you are lucky) would manage to squeak in have the stats, the ECs and everything else.

If admission was purely based on stats, URMs would be 1% of the students not 8%. They are massively over represented.

+1 It's not about representation of the US population, but about the representation of the applicant body. Asian Americans and white students apply at a higher rate to top colleges compared to URM. That is why there are a lot more Asian Americans, and that is also why the stats for URM are much lower. There aren't as many high performing URM, so when the few who do apply, get in with lower stats.

There are actually tons of high-stats Black kids out there. I remember seeing a chance me from a Black kid from New York who had an 800M/750V and a high GPA who ended up at NYU CS. He was rejected by most of the other schools he applied to, including MIT.

Schools like Creighton or Seton Hall might have trouble getting high-stats Black kids, but the schools people obsess about here don’t.

And schools like HYPSM have no problem with admitting Black kids with stats comparable to what the Asian kids have. The gap there will be in the ECs and awards.

No, there aren't a lot black students that have the stats,

I mean just look at the racial breakdown for SAT or ACT scores.

It creates resentment.

Blacks have a much easier time with college admissions.

Compared to Asians. Or whites. Or pretty much anyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Stop lying. You'd think these "top colleges" would be overrun with URMs. The URMs (8% of the total student population if you are lucky) would manage to squeak in have the stats, the ECs and everything else.

If admission was purely based on stats, URMs would be 1% of the students not 8%. They are massively over represented.

+1 It's not about representation of the US population, but about the representation of the applicant body. Asian Americans and white students apply at a higher rate to top colleges compared to URM. That is why there are a lot more Asian Americans, and that is also why the stats for URM are much lower. There aren't as many high performing URM, so when the few who do apply, get in with lower stats.

There are actually tons of high-stats Black kids out there. I remember seeing a chance me from a Black kid from New York who had an 800M/750V and a high GPA who ended up at NYU CS. He was rejected by most of the other schools he applied to, including MIT.

Schools like Creighton or Seton Hall might have trouble getting high-stats Black kids, but the schools people obsess about here don’t.

And schools like HYPSM have no problem with admitting Black kids with stats comparable to what the Asian kids have. The gap there will be in the ECs and awards.

No, there aren't a lot black students that have the stats,

I mean just look at the racial breakdown for SAT or ACT scores.

It creates resentment.

Blacks have a much easier time with college admissions.

Compared to Asians. Or whites. Or pretty much anyone.

So do rich white athletes. And rich white donor kids. Consider what kind of person you are that you don’t think about those kids when you pointing fingers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Stop lying. You'd think these "top colleges" would be overrun with URMs. The URMs (8% of the total student population if you are lucky) would manage to squeak in have the stats, the ECs and everything else.

If admission was purely based on stats, URMs would be 1% of the students not 8%. They are massively over represented.

+1 It's not about representation of the US population, but about the representation of the applicant body. Asian Americans and white students apply at a higher rate to top colleges compared to URM. That is why there are a lot more Asian Americans, and that is also why the stats for URM are much lower. There aren't as many high performing URM, so when the few who do apply, get in with lower stats.

There are actually tons of high-stats Black kids out there. I remember seeing a chance me from a Black kid from New York who had an 800M/750V and a high GPA who ended up at NYU CS. He was rejected by most of the other schools he applied to, including MIT.

Schools like Creighton or Seton Hall might have trouble getting high-stats Black kids, but the schools people obsess about here don’t.

And schools like HYPSM have no problem with admitting Black kids with stats comparable to what the Asian kids have. The gap there will be in the ECs and awards.

No, there aren't a lot black students that have the stats,

I mean just look at the racial breakdown for SAT or ACT scores.

It creates resentment.

Blacks have a much easier time with college admissions.

Compared to Asians. Or whites. Or pretty much anyone.

Just stop. What you are alleging isn't accurate and lacks context. YOU create your own resentment by making yourself the victim. Your racism is on full display now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Stop lying. You'd think these "top colleges" would be overrun with URMs. The URMs (8% of the total student population if you are lucky) would manage to squeak in have the stats, the ECs and everything else.

If admission was purely based on stats, URMs would be 1% of the students not 8%. They are massively over represented.

+1 It's not about representation of the US population, but about the representation of the applicant body. Asian Americans and white students apply at a higher rate to top colleges compared to URM. That is why there are a lot more Asian Americans, and that is also why the stats for URM are much lower. There aren't as many high performing URM, so when the few who do apply, get in with lower stats.

There are actually tons of high-stats Black kids out there. I remember seeing a chance me from a Black kid from New York who had an 800M/750V and a high GPA who ended up at NYU CS. He was rejected by most of the other schools he applied to, including MIT.

Schools like Creighton or Seton Hall might have trouble getting high-stats Black kids, but the schools people obsess about here don’t.

And schools like HYPSM have no problem with admitting Black kids with stats comparable to what the Asian kids have. The gap there will be in the ECs and awards.

No, there aren't a lot black students that have the stats,

I mean just look at the racial breakdown for SAT or ACT scores.

It creates resentment.

Blacks have a much easier time with college admissions.

Compared to Asians. Or whites. Or pretty much anyone.

Just stop. What you are alleging isn't accurate and lacks context. YOU create your own resentment by making yourself the victim. Your racism is on full display now.

DP. PP was pretty accurate. It's statistics available everywhere. You just pretend not to see it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Prediction: Penn, Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell and maybe Columbia will outperform Harvard, Yale and Princeton over the next 20 years on many metrics but especially career outcomes because they have quietly attracted much stronger students who in prior decades would have gone to HYP. The main culprit is legacy in much higher proportions at HYP but also the de facto “penalty for being an Asian applicant is much less at Penn, Brown and Cornell. The lower applications at SCEA at Harvard this year are the canary in the coal mine. 3rd generation “Blair” at HYP can no longer be “placed” at Morgan Stanley because his Econ degree which is math light in the modern era doesn’t bring much.

LOL - as if these schools have not also been giving legacy bumps. Get real.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Stop lying. You'd think these "top colleges" would be overrun with URMs. The URMs (8% of the total student population if you are lucky) would manage to squeak in have the stats, the ECs and everything else.

If admission was purely based on stats, URMs would be 1% of the students not 8%. They are massively over represented.

+1 It's not about representation of the US population, but about the representation of the applicant body. Asian Americans and white students apply at a higher rate to top colleges compared to URM. That is why there are a lot more Asian Americans, and that is also why the stats for URM are much lower. There aren't as many high performing URM, so when the few who do apply, get in with lower stats.

There are actually tons of high-stats Black kids out there. I remember seeing a chance me from a Black kid from New York who had an 800M/750V and a high GPA who ended up at NYU CS. He was rejected by most of the other schools he applied to, including MIT.

Schools like Creighton or Seton Hall might have trouble getting high-stats Black kids, but the schools people obsess about here don’t.

And schools like HYPSM have no problem with admitting Black kids with stats comparable to what the Asian kids have. The gap there will be in the ECs and awards.

No, there aren't a lot black students that have the stats,

I mean just look at the racial breakdown for SAT or ACT scores.

It creates resentment.

Blacks have a much easier time with college admissions.

Compared to Asians. Or whites. Or pretty much anyone.

So do rich white athletes. And rich white donor kids. Consider what kind of person you are that you don’t think about those kids when you pointing fingers.

And a much crappier time with everything else. Honestly answer to yourself whether you’d rather be Black in this country rather than White or Asian. Like honestly. Doesn’t mean affirmative action is the correct policy, but maybe the answer will get your perhaps disproportionate resentment in check.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Stop lying. You'd think these "top colleges" would be overrun with URMs. The URMs (8% of the total student population if you are lucky) would manage to squeak in have the stats, the ECs and everything else.

If admission was purely based on stats, URMs would be 1% of the students not 8%. They are massively over represented.

+1 It's not about representation of the US population, but about the representation of the applicant body. Asian Americans and white students apply at a higher rate to top colleges compared to URM. That is why there are a lot more Asian Americans, and that is also why the stats for URM are much lower. There aren't as many high performing URM, so when the few who do apply, get in with lower stats.

There are actually tons of high-stats Black kids out there. I remember seeing a chance me from a Black kid from New York who had an 800M/750V and a high GPA who ended up at NYU CS. He was rejected by most of the other schools he applied to, including MIT.

Schools like Creighton or Seton Hall might have trouble getting high-stats Black kids, but the schools people obsess about here don’t.

And schools like HYPSM have no problem with admitting Black kids with stats comparable to what the Asian kids have. The gap there will be in the ECs and awards.

No, there aren't a lot black students that have the stats,

I mean just look at the racial breakdown for SAT or ACT scores.

It creates resentment.

Blacks have a much easier time with college admissions.

Compared to Asians. Or whites. Or pretty much anyone.

And a much crappier time with everything else. Honestly answer to yourself whether you’d rather be Black in this country rather than White or Asian. Like honestly. Doesn’t mean affirmative action is the correct policy, but maybe the answer will get your perhaps disproportionate resentment in check.

This is totally irrelevant to the topic. We're talking about whether URMs were given huge advantages in the college admission process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Stop lying. You'd think these "top colleges" would be overrun with URMs. The URMs (8% of the total student population if you are lucky) would manage to squeak in have the stats, the ECs and everything else.

If admission was purely based on stats, URMs would be 1% of the students not 8%. They are massively over represented.

+1 It's not about representation of the US population, but about the representation of the applicant body. Asian Americans and white students apply at a higher rate to top colleges compared to URM. That is why there are a lot more Asian Americans, and that is also why the stats for URM are much lower. There aren't as many high performing URM, so when the few who do apply, get in with lower stats.

There are actually tons of high-stats Black kids out there. I remember seeing a chance me from a Black kid from New York who had an 800M/750V and a high GPA who ended up at NYU CS. He was rejected by most of the other schools he applied to, including MIT.

Schools like Creighton or Seton Hall might have trouble getting high-stats Black kids, but the schools people obsess about here don’t.

And schools like HYPSM have no problem with admitting Black kids with stats comparable to what the Asian kids have. The gap there will be in the ECs and awards.

No, there aren't a lot black students that have the stats,

I mean just look at the racial breakdown for SAT or ACT scores.

It creates resentment.

Blacks have a much easier time with college admissions.

Compared to Asians. Or whites. Or pretty much anyone.

Just stop. What you are alleging isn't accurate and lacks context. YOU create your own resentment by making yourself the victim. Your racism is on full display now.

DP. PP was pretty accurate. It's statistics available everywhere. You just pretend not to see it.

Nope. Your "everywhere " amounts to nowhere because it just isn't the case. You are the pretender because it feeds your convenient narrative as well as your prejudice.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Prediction: Penn, Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell and maybe Columbia will outperform Harvard, Yale and Princeton over the next 20 years on many metrics but especially career outcomes because they have quietly attracted much stronger students who in prior decades would have gone to HYP. The main culprit is legacy in much higher proportions at HYP but also the de facto “penalty for being an Asian applicant is much less at Penn, Brown and Cornell. The lower applications at SCEA at Harvard this year are the canary in the coal mine. 3rd generation “Blair” at HYP can no longer be “placed” at Morgan Stanley because his Econ degree which is math light in the modern era doesn’t bring much.

LOL - as if these schools have not also been giving legacy bumps. Get real.

+100. Brown only went need-blind in like 2002. The legacy, celebrity, and rich-donor bump remains in full effect there. And they love rich kid sports too - my roommate there was a white girl recruited from a prep school to play water polo. She played our freshman year and then quit - box checked!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Stop lying. You'd think these "top colleges" would be overrun with URMs. The URMs (8% of the total student population if you are lucky) would manage to squeak in have the stats, the ECs and everything else.

If admission was purely based on stats, URMs would be 1% of the students not 8%. They are massively over represented.

+1 It's not about representation of the US population, but about the representation of the applicant body. Asian Americans and white students apply at a higher rate to top colleges compared to URM. That is why there are a lot more Asian Americans, and that is also why the stats for URM are much lower. There aren't as many high performing URM, so when the few who do apply, get in with lower stats.

There are actually tons of high-stats Black kids out there. I remember seeing a chance me from a Black kid from New York who had an 800M/750V and a high GPA who ended up at NYU CS. He was rejected by most of the other schools he applied to, including MIT.

Schools like Creighton or Seton Hall might have trouble getting high-stats Black kids, but the schools people obsess about here don’t.

And schools like HYPSM have no problem with admitting Black kids with stats comparable to what the Asian kids have. The gap there will be in the ECs and awards.

No, there aren't a lot black students that have the stats,

I mean just look at the racial breakdown for SAT or ACT scores.

It creates resentment.

Blacks have a much easier time with college admissions.

Compared to Asians. Or whites. Or pretty much anyone.

And a much crappier time with everything else. Honestly answer to yourself whether you’d rather be Black in this country rather than White or Asian. Like honestly. Doesn’t mean affirmative action is the correct policy, but maybe the answer will get your perhaps disproportionate resentment in check.

This is totally irrelevant to the topic. We're talking about whether URMs were given huge advantages in the college admission process.

What’s totally irrelevant is to be whining about this still when SCOTUS already resolved this in your favor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Stop lying. You'd think these "top colleges" would be overrun with URMs. The URMs (8% of the total student population if you are lucky) would manage to squeak in have the stats, the ECs and everything else.

If admission was purely based on stats, URMs would be 1% of the students not 8%. They are massively over represented.

+1 It's not about representation of the US population, but about the representation of the applicant body. Asian Americans and white students apply at a higher rate to top colleges compared to URM. That is why there are a lot more Asian Americans, and that is also why the stats for URM are much lower. There aren't as many high performing URM, so when the few who do apply, get in with lower stats.

There are actually tons of high-stats Black kids out there. I remember seeing a chance me from a Black kid from New York who had an 800M/750V and a high GPA who ended up at NYU CS. He was rejected by most of the other schools he applied to, including MIT.

Schools like Creighton or Seton Hall might have trouble getting high-stats Black kids, but the schools people obsess about here don’t.

And schools like HYPSM have no problem with admitting Black kids with stats comparable to what the Asian kids have. The gap there will be in the ECs and awards.

No, there aren't a lot black students that have the stats,

I mean just look at the racial breakdown for SAT or ACT scores.

It creates resentment.

Blacks have a much easier time with college admissions.

Compared to Asians. Or whites. Or pretty much anyone.

And a much crappier time with everything else. Honestly answer to yourself whether you’d rather be Black in this country rather than White or Asian. Like honestly. Doesn’t mean affirmative action is the correct policy, but maybe the answer will get your perhaps disproportionate resentment in check.

This is totally irrelevant to the topic. We're talking about whether URMs were given huge advantages in the college admission process.

What’s totally irrelevant is to be whining about this still when SCOTUS already resolved this in your favor.

So you admit URMs did receive unfair advantages?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Stop lying. You'd think these "top colleges" would be overrun with URMs. The URMs (8% of the total student population if you are lucky) would manage to squeak in have the stats, the ECs and everything else.

If admission was purely based on stats, URMs would be 1% of the students not 8%. They are massively over represented.

+1 It's not about representation of the US population, but about the representation of the applicant body. Asian Americans and white students apply at a higher rate to top colleges compared to URM. That is why there are a lot more Asian Americans, and that is also why the stats for URM are much lower. There aren't as many high performing URM, so when the few who do apply, get in with lower stats.

There are actually tons of high-stats Black kids out there. I remember seeing a chance me from a Black kid from New York who had an 800M/750V and a high GPA who ended up at NYU CS. He was rejected by most of the other schools he applied to, including MIT.

Schools like Creighton or Seton Hall might have trouble getting high-stats Black kids, but the schools people obsess about here don’t.

And schools like HYPSM have no problem with admitting Black kids with stats comparable to what the Asian kids have. The gap there will be in the ECs and awards.

No, there aren't a lot black students that have the stats,

I mean just look at the racial breakdown for SAT or ACT scores.

It creates resentment.

Blacks have a much easier time with college admissions.

Compared to Asians. Or whites. Or pretty much anyone.

And a much crappier time with everything else. Honestly answer to yourself whether you’d rather be Black in this country rather than White or Asian. Like honestly. Doesn’t mean affirmative action is the correct policy, but maybe the answer will get your perhaps disproportionate resentment in check.

This is totally irrelevant to the topic. We're talking about whether URMs were given huge advantages in the college admission process.

What’s totally irrelevant is to be whining about this still when SCOTUS already resolved this in your favor.

So you admit URMs did receive unfair advantages?

DP: how would you possibly extrapolate that from that post? Oh, right, you're that racist person who wants to pin their own ignorance on someone else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Stop lying. You'd think these "top colleges" would be overrun with URMs. The URMs (8% of the total student population if you are lucky) would manage to squeak in have the stats, the ECs and everything else.

If admission was purely based on stats, URMs would be 1% of the students not 8%. They are massively over represented.

+1 It's not about representation of the US population, but about the representation of the applicant body. Asian Americans and white students apply at a higher rate to top colleges compared to URM. That is why there are a lot more Asian Americans, and that is also why the stats for URM are much lower. There aren't as many high performing URM, so when the few who do apply, get in with lower stats.

There are actually tons of high-stats Black kids out there. I remember seeing a chance me from a Black kid from New York who had an 800M/750V and a high GPA who ended up at NYU CS. He was rejected by most of the other schools he applied to, including MIT.

Schools like Creighton or Seton Hall might have trouble getting high-stats Black kids, but the schools people obsess about here don’t.

And schools like HYPSM have no problem with admitting Black kids with stats comparable to what the Asian kids have. The gap there will be in the ECs and awards.

No, there aren't a lot black students that have the stats,

I mean just look at the racial breakdown for SAT or ACT scores.

It creates resentment.

Blacks have a much easier time with college admissions.

Compared to Asians. Or whites. Or pretty much anyone.

And a much crappier time with everything else. Honestly answer to yourself whether you’d rather be Black in this country rather than White or Asian. Like honestly. Doesn’t mean affirmative action is the correct policy, but maybe the answer will get your perhaps disproportionate resentment in check.

This is totally irrelevant to the topic. We're talking about whether URMs were given huge advantages in the college admission process.

What’s totally irrelevant is to be whining about this still when SCOTUS already resolved this in your favor.

So you admit URMs did receive unfair advantages?

Why do you care what I “admit”?

I (a) happen to agree with the SCOTUS decision, and (b) think many people have disproportionate resentment about that particular aspect of elite admissions, and apparently still do, which is weird.