NYT: Profound increase in black voters who support Trump

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do the Dems remain so tone deaf? NYT reported polling data showing skyrocketing support among black voters for Trump:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/06/us/politics/biden-trump-black-voters-poll-democrats.html


People across the board are sick and tired of the out of the control crime like car jackings and shootings that have skyrocketed under Biden and are a result of local policies enacted by the Democrats. All too often that crime is occurring in black neighborhoods. That and the massive influx of illegal immigrants that have been pouring into the country courtesy of Biden and the Democrats is causing a significant erosion in the confidence of Dems to be able to govern. People want law and order and oour borders to be restored.

It is almost inevitable Trump is going to win. He is leading Biden by double digits now.

our policies continue to screw low wage African Americans.  and we have known this for decades.

people need good jobs to thrive in our capitalism

The 1980-2000 immigrant influx, therefore, generally 'explains' about 20 to 60 percent of the decline in wages, 25 percent of the decline in employment, and about 10 percent of the rise in incarceration rates among blacks with a high school education or less

Almost everybody knows that in the past 40 years, the real wages and job prospects for low-skilled men, especially low-skilled minority workers, have fallen. And there is evidence, that a rising tide of immigration is  to blame. Now, a new NBER study suggests that immigration has more far-reaching consequences than merely depressing wages and lowering employment rates of low-skilled African-American males: its effects also appear to push some would-be workers into crime and, later, into prison.

https://www.nber.org/digest/may07/effects-immigration-african-american-employment-and-incarceration


When the supply of workers goes up, the price that firms have to pay to hire workers goes down. Wage trends over the past half-century suggest that a 10 percent increase in the number of workers with a particular set of skills probably lowers the wage of that group by at least 3 percent.

Immigration redistributes wealth from those who compete with immigrants to those who use immigrants—from the employee to the employer.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/trump-clinton-immigration-economy-unemployment-jobs-214216/

Democrats have abandoned US workers.

The 1980s started an explosion of offshoring manufacturing to MX with the maquiladora program under Reagan. My dad's factory was impacted, and he got laid off.

I used to be a R, but this is what capitalism is about. You cannot want capitalism and control whether companies can offshore jobs. The R word (regulation) would be needed to prevent offshoring of jobs.

Also, you forget that it's the Dems that support a living minimum wage, not Rs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Haley was schooled in the south. You know how they teach the civil war, right?

It really is a sad statement on our country in 2023 that we still have a huge part of the citizenry denying that slavery was a major reason for the war.

I also find it laughable that DeSantis is calling her out, when his state has walked back the talk of slavery in history books.

This upcoming election really just might be my last straw with this idiocracy.

We do not have a "huge" part of our citizenry denying that slavery was the primary cause of The Civil War. That's similar to saying there is a huge portion of our citizenry that don't believe there was a Holocaust in WW2. You are watching too much cable news and/or assuming that a few loud mouth radical politicians are representing the beliefs of a majority of their electorate if you truly believe a significant percentage of the US population does not acknowledge slavery as the primary cause of The Civil War. There are bigoted idiots walking around among us but they aren't anywhere close to making up a huge portion of our population.

I would love to believe you, but I need to see some stats

[Anonymous]

If black Americans want to vote for a guy who said the below . . . and lbh, he still feels like this, go ahead. This sort of thing is ingrained in Trump. Unfortunately they'd be screwing not only themselves but everyone else. But Americans are apparently the dumbest people on the planted.

“I have black guys counting my money. … I hate it,” Trump told John R. O’Donnell, the former president of Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino, according O’Donnell’s account in his 1991 book “Trumped!” “The only guys I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes all day.”

Trump, according to O’Donnell, went on to say, “‘Laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that.”

Source: https://www.politico.eu/article/15-most-offensive-things-trump-campaign-feminism-migration-racism/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, your premise is rude in that it assumes these voters are dumb. What exactly do you think they believe Trump would do about their local crime issues?

Policing is local. Most crime is locally prosecuted. Trump has zero control over or interest in local gang shootings and teenage car jackers.

The problem is too much crime is NOT being prosecuted locally. I am not a Chris Christie fan, but I agree with his approach to crime.
Send in US Federal prosecutors to those cities in which the local prosecutors fail to prosecute crime. In many cases, they have announced they will not prosecute certain crimes. Time to take over their jobs.

DC has federal prosecutors who refuse to prosecute. I fail to see how that is better

REFUSE to prosecute? Some of you are incredibly stupid. Prosecutor offices, locally and federally, are notoriously understaffed and underfunded for the number of potential cases they could try. They simple cannot do it for all of them so they make decisions based on any number of factors. Unless you're willing to give up more of your tax money for funding these offices, and living in a virtual police state, then you can STFU.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, your premise is rude in that it assumes these voters are dumb. What exactly do you think they believe Trump would do about their local crime issues?

Policing is local. Most crime is locally prosecuted. Trump has zero control over or interest in local gang shootings and teenage car jackers.

The problem is too much crime is NOT being prosecuted locally. I am not a Chris Christie fan, but I agree with his approach to crime.
Send in US Federal prosecutors to those cities in which the local prosecutors fail to prosecute crime. In many cases, they have announced they will not prosecute certain crimes. Time to take over their jobs.

DC has federal prosecutors who refuse to prosecute. I fail to see how that is better

REFUSE to prosecute? Some of you are incredibly stupid. Prosecutor offices, locally and federally, are notoriously understaffed and underfunded for the number of potential cases they could try. They simple cannot do it for all of them so they make decisions based on any number of factors. Unless you're willing to give up more of your tax money for funding these offices, and living in a virtual police state, then you can STFU.

Go on the Metropolitan Politics forum sometime and read about the DC federal prosecutor's office. One of the highest, if not the highest, no paper rate in the country--over two-thirds.

[Anonymous]

Didn't realize Trump was for a mandatory minimum wage that people can actually live off of

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If black Americans want to vote for a guy who said the below . . . and lbh, he still feels like this, go ahead. This sort of thing is ingrained in Trump. Unfortunately they'd be screwing not only themselves but everyone else. But Americans are apparently the dumbest people on the planted.

“I have black guys counting my money. … I hate it,” Trump told John R. O’Donnell, the former president of Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino, according O’Donnell’s account in his 1991 book “Trumped!” “The only guys I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes all day.”

Trump, according to O’Donnell, went on to say, “‘Laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that.”

Source: https://www.politico.eu/article/15-most-offensive-things-trump-campaign-feminism-migration-racism/

Trump would be pro-profiling stop and frisk. This would be like the case of the woman who married an illegal immigrant voting for Trump only to have her husband deported. She thought, "But, I thought Trump would only go after those other criminals, not someone like my husband."

[Anonymous]

If you want to stop illegal immigrants from taking the job of Americans, then you should push for higher penalties for those who hire them. You gotta make it hurt, financially. Illegal immigrants come here because they know that someone will give them a job. Kill the demand, and you will see the supply run dry.

But, the Rs won't do that because they know that most of the people/companies who hire illegal immigrants are their voters.

Most illegal immigrants work in construction, farms, lawncare management and hotels, and most of those business owners are Rs. Heck, even Trump's hotel had hired illegal immigrants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you want to stop illegal immigrants from taking the job of Americans, then you should push for higher penalties for those who hire them. You gotta make it hurt, financially. Illegal immigrants come here because they know that someone will give them a job. Kill the demand, and you will see the supply run dry.

But, the Rs won't do that because they know that most of the people/companies who hire illegal immigrants are their voters.

Most illegal immigrants work in construction, farms, lawncare management and hotels, and most of those business owners are Rs. Heck, even Trump's hotel had hired illegal immigrants.

That's one factor. The other is that Republicans get far more political benefit from whining than they do in actually fixing problems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do the Dems remain so tone deaf? NYT reported polling data showing skyrocketing support among black voters for Trump:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/06/us/politics/biden-trump-black-voters-poll-democrats.html


People across the board are sick and tired of the out of the control crime like car jackings and shootings that have skyrocketed under Biden and are a result of local policies enacted by the Democrats. All too often that crime is occurring in black neighborhoods. That and the massive influx of illegal immigrants that have been pouring into the country courtesy of Biden and the Democrats is causing a significant erosion in the confidence of Dems to be able to govern. People want law and order and oour borders to be restored.

It is almost inevitable Trump is going to win. He is leading Biden by double digits now.

our policies continue to screw low wage African Americans.  and we have known this for decades.

people need good jobs to thrive in our capitalism

The 1980-2000 immigrant influx, therefore, generally 'explains' about 20 to 60 percent of the decline in wages, 25 percent of the decline in employment, and about 10 percent of the rise in incarceration rates among blacks with a high school education or less

Almost everybody knows that in the past 40 years, the real wages and job prospects for low-skilled men, especially low-skilled minority workers, have fallen. And there is evidence, that a rising tide of immigration is  to blame. Now, a new NBER study suggests that immigration has more far-reaching consequences than merely depressing wages and lowering employment rates of low-skilled African-American males: its effects also appear to push some would-be workers into crime and, later, into prison.

https://www.nber.org/digest/may07/effects-immigration-african-american-employment-and-incarceration


When the supply of workers goes up, the price that firms have to pay to hire workers goes down. Wage trends over the past half-century suggest that a 10 percent increase in the number of workers with a particular set of skills probably lowers the wage of that group by at least 3 percent.

Immigration redistributes wealth from those who compete with immigrants to those who use immigrants—from the employee to the employer.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/trump-clinton-immigration-economy-unemployment-jobs-214216/

Democrats have abandoned US workers.

The 1980s started an explosion of offshoring manufacturing to MX with the maquiladora program under Reagan. My dad's factory was impacted, and he got laid off.

I used to be a R, but this is what capitalism is about. You cannot want capitalism and control whether companies can offshore jobs. The R word (regulation) would be needed to prevent offshoring of jobs.

Also, you forget that it's the Dems that support a living minimum wage, not Rs.

A living minimum wage has no definition. It's whatever you want to declare at the time. With games like redefining the poverty level with a multiplier which someone picks out of the sky, we know it's just lawfare and games. You want to cut poverty? Stop debasing the U.S. dollar. Not to mention, things like a minimum wage are used in union contracts to define hourly wages. So that's a payoff to the "brotherhood" and you know it.

It's really one of the chief reasons we are not competitive in the global economy and why jobs get offshored in the first place. Have you taken notice of layoffs at the big 3 in Detroit since their collective bargaining this Autumn? No? Why not? Consider your news sources.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haley was schooled in the south. You know how they teach the civil war, right?

It really is a sad statement on our country in 2023 that we still have a huge part of the citizenry denying that slavery was a major reason for the war.

I also find it laughable that DeSantis is calling her out, when his state has walked back the talk of slavery in history books.

This upcoming election really just might be my last straw with this idiocracy.

We do not have a "huge" part of our citizenry denying that slavery was the primary cause of The Civil War. That's similar to saying there is a huge portion of our citizenry that don't believe there was a Holocaust in WW2. You are watching too much cable news and/or assuming that a few loud mouth radical politicians are representing the beliefs of a majority of their electorate if you truly believe a significant percentage of the US population does not acknowledge slavery as the primary cause of The Civil War. There are bigoted idiots walking around among us but they aren't anywhere close to making up a huge portion of our population.

I would love to believe you, but I need to see some stats

The claim that The Civil War was a dispute over state's rights isn't factually incorrect. The states that eventually seceded did so based on their belief that individual states should be able to determine the legality of slavery within their state. This doesn't change the fact that slavery was the primary cause of the war between the states. The Union's victory allowed for the Federal legislation prohibiting slavery to become enforceable in all states by effectively overriding any individual states claim of slavery being a state's rights issue. The correct answer in stating the cause of The Civil War is a dispute between the Federal Government and individual states over whether or not each state should determine the legality of slavery within their state. A large majority of the people that claim the war was a state's rights dispute would acknowledge slavery as being the primary cause of certain states choosing to secede over that dispute.

[Anonymous]

The DNC has taken black voters for granted. Kick democrats to the curb.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do the Dems remain so tone deaf? NYT reported polling data showing skyrocketing support among black voters for Trump:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/06/us/politics/biden-trump-black-voters-poll-democrats.html


People across the board are sick and tired of the out of the control crime like car jackings and shootings that have skyrocketed under Biden and are a result of local policies enacted by the Democrats. All too often that crime is occurring in black neighborhoods. That and the massive influx of illegal immigrants that have been pouring into the country courtesy of Biden and the Democrats is causing a significant erosion in the confidence of Dems to be able to govern. People want law and order and oour borders to be restored.

It is almost inevitable Trump is going to win. He is leading Biden by double digits now.

our policies continue to screw low wage African Americans.  and we have known this for decades.

people need good jobs to thrive in our capitalism

The 1980-2000 immigrant influx, therefore, generally 'explains' about 20 to 60 percent of the decline in wages, 25 percent of the decline in employment, and about 10 percent of the rise in incarceration rates among blacks with a high school education or less

Almost everybody knows that in the past 40 years, the real wages and job prospects for low-skilled men, especially low-skilled minority workers, have fallen. And there is evidence, that a rising tide of immigration is  to blame. Now, a new NBER study suggests that immigration has more far-reaching consequences than merely depressing wages and lowering employment rates of low-skilled African-American males: its effects also appear to push some would-be workers into crime and, later, into prison.

https://www.nber.org/digest/may07/effects-immigration-african-american-employment-and-incarceration


When the supply of workers goes up, the price that firms have to pay to hire workers goes down. Wage trends over the past half-century suggest that a 10 percent increase in the number of workers with a particular set of skills probably lowers the wage of that group by at least 3 percent.

Immigration redistributes wealth from those who compete with immigrants to those who use immigrants—from the employee to the employer.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/trump-clinton-immigration-economy-unemployment-jobs-214216/

Democrats have abandoned US workers.

The 1980s started an explosion of offshoring manufacturing to MX with the maquiladora program under Reagan. My dad's factory was impacted, and he got laid off.

I used to be a R, but this is what capitalism is about. You cannot want capitalism and control whether companies can offshore jobs. The R word (regulation) would be needed to prevent offshoring of jobs.

Also, you forget that it's the Dems that support a living minimum wage, not Rs.

You've been brainwashed. It was Clinton, Bill Clinton, who destroyed our manufacting sector via that NAFTA free trade deal with Mexico and his pushing the WTO to accept China.

Remember Perot? He was 100% right. And this happened well after Reagan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haley was schooled in the south. You know how they teach the civil war, right?

It really is a sad statement on our country in 2023 that we still have a huge part of the citizenry denying that slavery was a major reason for the war.

I also find it laughable that DeSantis is calling her out, when his state has walked back the talk of slavery in history books.

This upcoming election really just might be my last straw with this idiocracy.

We do not have a "huge" part of our citizenry denying that slavery was the primary cause of The Civil War. That's similar to saying there is a huge portion of our citizenry that don't believe there was a Holocaust in WW2. You are watching too much cable news and/or assuming that a few loud mouth radical politicians are representing the beliefs of a majority of their electorate if you truly believe a significant percentage of the US population does not acknowledge slavery as the primary cause of The Civil War. There are bigoted idiots walking around among us but they aren't anywhere close to making up a huge portion of our population.

I would love to believe you, but I need to see some stats

The claim that The Civil War was a dispute over state's rights isn't factually incorrect. The states that eventually seceded did so based on their belief that individual states should be able to determine the legality of slavery within their state. This doesn't change the fact that slavery was the primary cause of the war between the states. The Union's victory allowed for the Federal legislation prohibiting slavery to become enforceable in all states by effectively overriding any individual states claim of slavery being a state's rights issue. The correct answer in stating the cause of The Civil War is a dispute between the Federal Government and individual states over whether or not each state should determine the legality of slavery within their state. A large majority of the people that claim the war was a state's rights dispute would acknowledge slavery as being the primary cause of certain states choosing to secede over that dispute.

So the correct answer is both slavery and state rights.

In any case Haley's answer was a joke. The average high-schooler would do better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The DNC has taken black voters for granted. Kick democrats to the curb.

For who, exactly? It isn’t as if the other party has anything for them