In most big cities violent crime is declining. In Washington the opposite is true

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Anonymous wrote:Remember when there was a movement called defund the police, which made clear that the goal was to defund the police. And all sorts of SJWs tried to tell us that the goal wasn't actually to defund the police, but just more accountability or something like that. But in fact, the goal was to defund the police -- make it so that police work was useless and criminals could do whatever they want and not be punished.

Kind of hilarious that they didn't hide the goal at all, and SJWs supported it. The criminals won -- they changed the dialogue so that criminals should not be punished and should be able to commit whatever crimes they want. It's amazing that in such an educated city, people are this gullible.

Next time, they should just call it, "We Love Criminals not Victims," and people would still support it. We'd probably hear from the gullible SJWs about how that just means that criminals are misunderstood and need to be supported, not that we actually value criminals more than victims.

I remember "Defund the Police" - but it didn't actually amount to much in terms of budget or policy. It mostly just made some cops think they shouldn't have to do their jobs anymore.

It meant a ton in terms of policy locally. Maybe you don’t pay attention to local news and politics, but many of us do.

It meant a ton in terms of police attitudes and opinions, they were upset about what a bunch of randos on the internet said - though DC got no more of that than any other city. In reality, the budgetary and policy impacts were minimal, especially when compared to cuts and policy changes in most other cities around the country. Yet in most other cities, police have gotten over it and have started doing their jobs again. It's long past due for MPD to do the same.

Not sure what you’re talking about. I’ve found MPD to be professional and have responded quickly whenever I’ve needed them. To your point though, unlike other cities DC is unique in that we are home to professional protesters. Literally people who put food on their tables by trying to exploit the sometimes justified use of force by police to advance national anti police policies. So if I’m a rank and file MPD officer I’m not going above and beyond unless it’s a clear life or death situation. Because trying to stop the retail theft or car thieves is going to inevitably lead to the need to go hands on. And no matter how justified I’m not risking my retirement or getting my family doxed. It’s just not worth it unless it’s life or death. And the criminals know it too, so it’s a complete free for all in the streets. This is what BLM has brought us.

DC has always been home to professional protesters. For decades. But the increase in crime is new, began with BLM protests, and UNLIKE other cities, has not declined and instead has gotten worse. And again, other cities had much bigger police budget cuts than DC. Other cities implemented more restrictive policies on police than DC. But they all seem to have moved on and are now addressing crime better than DC is. None of your comments actually address any of that. If other cities' police departments are no longer using BLM as an excuse, even though it had more of an impact on them than it did on MPD, then why is MPD still persisting in trying to use BLM as an excuse? Sorry, but I just can't see it as justifiable.

DC's prosecution rates are among the lowest in the country, both the federally appointed USAO and elected AG. That is an enormous part of the issue.

That still doesn't justify police not doing their jobs. When the prosecutors don't prosecute, it's the prosecutors' fault. But when the police don't arrest, it becomes the police's fault. The police need to stop making it their own fault.

You're getting the policing you asked for and voted for. You should be happy.

You seem deranged and delusional.

HOW AND WHEN did I vote on this, specifically? Which candidates ran on a platform of promising far more crime and 50% less arrests and which candidate ran AGAINST them promising much better policing and a reduction in crime? Which Mayor or members of Council ordered MPD to start making 50% fewer arrests?

All you seem to want to do is a lot of handwaving and hyperbolic distortions about "Defund the Police" which didn't really even happen - https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/defund-police-mpd-black-lives-matter-protests/65-29baa332-d23d-40b3-82e1-6e0e8d8de384 or pointing at some statements by randos who don't even make DC policy but who said some things you don't like.

Janeese Lewis George explicitly campaigned on defunding the police. She isn’t shy about it.

JLG hates the police department far more than she hates murderers

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Anonymous wrote:Remember when there was a movement called defund the police, which made clear that the goal was to defund the police. And all sorts of SJWs tried to tell us that the goal wasn't actually to defund the police, but just more accountability or something like that. But in fact, the goal was to defund the police -- make it so that police work was useless and criminals could do whatever they want and not be punished.

Kind of hilarious that they didn't hide the goal at all, and SJWs supported it. The criminals won -- they changed the dialogue so that criminals should not be punished and should be able to commit whatever crimes they want. It's amazing that in such an educated city, people are this gullible.

Next time, they should just call it, "We Love Criminals not Victims," and people would still support it. We'd probably hear from the gullible SJWs about how that just means that criminals are misunderstood and need to be supported, not that we actually value criminals more than victims.

I remember "Defund the Police" - but it didn't actually amount to much in terms of budget or policy. It mostly just made some cops think they shouldn't have to do their jobs anymore.

It meant a ton in terms of policy locally. Maybe you don’t pay attention to local news and politics, but many of us do.

It meant a ton in terms of police attitudes and opinions, they were upset about what a bunch of randos on the internet said - though DC got no more of that than any other city. In reality, the budgetary and policy impacts were minimal, especially when compared to cuts and policy changes in most other cities around the country. Yet in most other cities, police have gotten over it and have started doing their jobs again. It's long past due for MPD to do the same.

Not sure what you’re talking about. I’ve found MPD to be professional and have responded quickly whenever I’ve needed them. To your point though, unlike other cities DC is unique in that we are home to professional protesters. Literally people who put food on their tables by trying to exploit the sometimes justified use of force by police to advance national anti police policies. So if I’m a rank and file MPD officer I’m not going above and beyond unless it’s a clear life or death situation. Because trying to stop the retail theft or car thieves is going to inevitably lead to the need to go hands on. And no matter how justified I’m not risking my retirement or getting my family doxed. It’s just not worth it unless it’s life or death. And the criminals know it too, so it’s a complete free for all in the streets. This is what BLM has brought us.

DC has always been home to professional protesters. For decades. But the increase in crime is new, began with BLM protests, and UNLIKE other cities, has not declined and instead has gotten worse. And again, other cities had much bigger police budget cuts than DC. Other cities implemented more restrictive policies on police than DC. But they all seem to have moved on and are now addressing crime better than DC is. None of your comments actually address any of that. If other cities' police departments are no longer using BLM as an excuse, even though it had more of an impact on them than it did on MPD, then why is MPD still persisting in trying to use BLM as an excuse? Sorry, but I just can't see it as justifiable.

DC's prosecution rates are among the lowest in the country, both the federally appointed USAO and elected AG. That is an enormous part of the issue.

That still doesn't justify police not doing their jobs. When the prosecutors don't prosecute, it's the prosecutors' fault. But when the police don't arrest, it becomes the police's fault. The police need to stop making it their own fault.

You're getting the policing you asked for and voted for. You should be happy.

You seem deranged and delusional.

HOW AND WHEN did I vote on this, specifically? Which candidates ran on a platform of promising far more crime and 50% less arrests and which candidate ran AGAINST them promising much better policing and a reduction in crime? Which Mayor or members of Council ordered MPD to start making 50% fewer arrests?

All you seem to want to do is a lot of handwaving and hyperbolic distortions about "Defund the Police" which didn't really even happen - https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/defund-police-mpd-black-lives-matter-protests/65-29baa332-d23d-40b3-82e1-6e0e8d8de384 or pointing at some statements by randos who don't even make DC policy but who said some things you don't like.

Janeese Lewis George explicitly campaigned on defunding the police. She isn’t shy about it.

JLG hates the police department far more than she hates murderers

I just signed up for Lisa Gores newsletter. I need to dig in more but I like that she has a law enforcement background . Also like her support for vocational schools . She seems solid. Any chance for her?

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Anonymous wrote:And still, nothing in this thread can coherently explain why MPD arrests nosedived and crime spiked even though crime has decreased everywhere else including cities that cut police and treated police much worse than DC.

Someone said it starts with leadership and I'm starting to think it's with the DC police union leadership.

Nope. The cops aren’t the problem here.

When arrests are massively down from where they were, and in a way that is completely disjointed from and disproportionate to budget cuts or anything else that has happened, that makes it the fault of the police.

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It's astounding that DC has certain street corners where there is gunfire virtually every other weekend yet MPD somehow can't figure any of it out.

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Anonymous wrote:And still, nothing in this thread can coherently explain why MPD arrests nosedived and crime spiked even though crime has decreased everywhere else including cities that cut police and treated police much worse than DC.

Someone said it starts with leadership and I'm starting to think it's with the DC police union leadership.

Nope. The cops aren’t the problem here.

When arrests are massively down from where they were, and in a way that is completely disjointed from and disproportionate to budget cuts or anything else that has happened, that makes it the fault of the police.

Allen, JLG, “it’s not a crisis” Mendo, etc have made it very clear that the current situation is what they want. You voted for this. Enjoy the taste.

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There is not just one reason, but DC judges rarely holding people -- even violent offenders who continue to commit crimes during their pending case(s) -- is a big problem. A small percentage of people commit the lion's share of crimes in DC. DC does not hold them. They go to VA or MD and they are then held. Most stay in DC for that reason.

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Anonymous wrote:Remember when there was a movement called defund the police, which made clear that the goal was to defund the police. And all sorts of SJWs tried to tell us that the goal wasn't actually to defund the police, but just more accountability or something like that. But in fact, the goal was to defund the police -- make it so that police work was useless and criminals could do whatever they want and not be punished.

Kind of hilarious that they didn't hide the goal at all, and SJWs supported it. The criminals won -- they changed the dialogue so that criminals should not be punished and should be able to commit whatever crimes they want. It's amazing that in such an educated city, people are this gullible.

Next time, they should just call it, "We Love Criminals not Victims," and people would still support it. We'd probably hear from the gullible SJWs about how that just means that criminals are misunderstood and need to be supported, not that we actually value criminals more than victims.

I remember "Defund the Police" - but it didn't actually amount to much in terms of budget or policy. It mostly just made some cops think they shouldn't have to do their jobs anymore.

It meant a ton in terms of policy locally. Maybe you don’t pay attention to local news and politics, but many of us do.

It meant a ton in terms of police attitudes and opinions, they were upset about what a bunch of randos on the internet said - though DC got no more of that than any other city. In reality, the budgetary and policy impacts were minimal, especially when compared to cuts and policy changes in most other cities around the country. Yet in most other cities, police have gotten over it and have started doing their jobs again. It's long past due for MPD to do the same.

Not sure what you’re talking about. I’ve found MPD to be professional and have responded quickly whenever I’ve needed them. To your point though, unlike other cities DC is unique in that we are home to professional protesters. Literally people who put food on their tables by trying to exploit the sometimes justified use of force by police to advance national anti police policies. So if I’m a rank and file MPD officer I’m not going above and beyond unless it’s a clear life or death situation. Because trying to stop the retail theft or car thieves is going to inevitably lead to the need to go hands on. And no matter how justified I’m not risking my retirement or getting my family doxed. It’s just not worth it unless it’s life or death. And the criminals know it too, so it’s a complete free for all in the streets. This is what BLM has brought us.

DC has always been home to professional protesters. For decades. But the increase in crime is new, began with BLM protests, and UNLIKE other cities, has not declined and instead has gotten worse. And again, other cities had much bigger police budget cuts than DC. Other cities implemented more restrictive policies on police than DC. But they all seem to have moved on and are now addressing crime better than DC is. None of your comments actually address any of that. If other cities' police departments are no longer using BLM as an excuse, even though it had more of an impact on them than it did on MPD, then why is MPD still persisting in trying to use BLM as an excuse? Sorry, but I just can't see it as justifiable.

DC's prosecution rates are among the lowest in the country, both the federally appointed USAO and elected AG. That is an enormous part of the issue.

That still doesn't justify police not doing their jobs. When the prosecutors don't prosecute, it's the prosecutors' fault. But when the police don't arrest, it becomes the police's fault. The police need to stop making it their own fault.

You're getting the policing you asked for and voted for. You should be happy.

You seem deranged and delusional.

HOW AND WHEN did I vote on this, specifically? Which candidates ran on a platform of promising far more crime and 50% less arrests and which candidate ran AGAINST them promising much better policing and a reduction in crime? Which Mayor or members of Council ordered MPD to start making 50% fewer arrests?

All you seem to want to do is a lot of handwaving and hyperbolic distortions about "Defund the Police" which didn't really even happen - https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/defund-police-mpd-black-lives-matter-protests/65-29baa332-d23d-40b3-82e1-6e0e8d8de384 or pointing at some statements by randos who don't even make DC policy but who said some things you don't like.

Janeese Lewis George explicitly campaigned on defunding the police. She isn’t shy about it.

JLG hates the police department far more than she hates murderers

I just signed up for Lisa Gores newsletter. I need to dig in more but I like that she has a law enforcement background . Also like her support for vocational schools . She seems solid. Any chance for her?

Yes

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Anonymous wrote:And still, nothing in this thread can coherently explain why MPD arrests nosedived and crime spiked even though crime has decreased everywhere else including cities that cut police and treated police much worse than DC.

Someone said it starts with leadership and I'm starting to think it's with the DC police union leadership.

Nope. The cops aren’t the problem here.

When arrests are massively down from where they were, and in a way that is completely disjointed from and disproportionate to budget cuts or anything else that has happened, that makes it the fault of the police.

Prior to 2017, USAO consistently prosecuted 70+% of arrests, across R & D administrations. Graves declines to prosecute up to 67% of arrests, basically inverting the ratio. It's the fault of the USA.

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Anonymous wrote:Remember when there was a movement called defund the police, which made clear that the goal was to defund the police. And all sorts of SJWs tried to tell us that the goal wasn't actually to defund the police, but just more accountability or something like that. But in fact, the goal was to defund the police -- make it so that police work was useless and criminals could do whatever they want and not be punished.

Kind of hilarious that they didn't hide the goal at all, and SJWs supported it. The criminals won -- they changed the dialogue so that criminals should not be punished and should be able to commit whatever crimes they want. It's amazing that in such an educated city, people are this gullible.

Next time, they should just call it, "We Love Criminals not Victims," and people would still support it. We'd probably hear from the gullible SJWs about how that just means that criminals are misunderstood and need to be supported, not that we actually value criminals more than victims.

I remember "Defund the Police" - but it didn't actually amount to much in terms of budget or policy. It mostly just made some cops think they shouldn't have to do their jobs anymore.

It meant a ton in terms of policy locally. Maybe you don’t pay attention to local news and politics, but many of us do.

It meant a ton in terms of police attitudes and opinions, they were upset about what a bunch of randos on the internet said - though DC got no more of that than any other city. In reality, the budgetary and policy impacts were minimal, especially when compared to cuts and policy changes in most other cities around the country. Yet in most other cities, police have gotten over it and have started doing their jobs again. It's long past due for MPD to do the same.

Not sure what you’re talking about. I’ve found MPD to be professional and have responded quickly whenever I’ve needed them. To your point though, unlike other cities DC is unique in that we are home to professional protesters. Literally people who put food on their tables by trying to exploit the sometimes justified use of force by police to advance national anti police policies. So if I’m a rank and file MPD officer I’m not going above and beyond unless it’s a clear life or death situation. Because trying to stop the retail theft or car thieves is going to inevitably lead to the need to go hands on. And no matter how justified I’m not risking my retirement or getting my family doxed. It’s just not worth it unless it’s life or death. And the criminals know it too, so it’s a complete free for all in the streets. This is what BLM has brought us.

DC has always been home to professional protesters. For decades. But the increase in crime is new, began with BLM protests, and UNLIKE other cities, has not declined and instead has gotten worse. And again, other cities had much bigger police budget cuts than DC. Other cities implemented more restrictive policies on police than DC. But they all seem to have moved on and are now addressing crime better than DC is. None of your comments actually address any of that. If other cities' police departments are no longer using BLM as an excuse, even though it had more of an impact on them than it did on MPD, then why is MPD still persisting in trying to use BLM as an excuse? Sorry, but I just can't see it as justifiable.

DC's prosecution rates are among the lowest in the country, both the federally appointed USAO and elected AG. That is an enormous part of the issue.

That still doesn't justify police not doing their jobs. When the prosecutors don't prosecute, it's the prosecutors' fault. But when the police don't arrest, it becomes the police's fault. The police need to stop making it their own fault.

You're getting the policing you asked for and voted for. You should be happy.

You seem deranged and delusional.

HOW AND WHEN did I vote on this, specifically? Which candidates ran on a platform of promising far more crime and 50% less arrests and which candidate ran AGAINST them promising much better policing and a reduction in crime? Which Mayor or members of Council ordered MPD to start making 50% fewer arrests?

All you seem to want to do is a lot of handwaving and hyperbolic distortions about "Defund the Police" which didn't really even happen - https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/defund-police-mpd-black-lives-matter-protests/65-29baa332-d23d-40b3-82e1-6e0e8d8de384 or pointing at some statements by randos who don't even make DC policy but who said some things you don't like.

Janeese Lewis George explicitly campaigned on defunding the police. She isn’t shy about it.

The police department is the smallest it's been in 50 years. The number of officers is way, way down. The city council has repeatedly cut its budget.

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Anonymous wrote:Remember when there was a movement called defund the police, which made clear that the goal was to defund the police. And all sorts of SJWs tried to tell us that the goal wasn't actually to defund the police, but just more accountability or something like that. But in fact, the goal was to defund the police -- make it so that police work was useless and criminals could do whatever they want and not be punished.

Kind of hilarious that they didn't hide the goal at all, and SJWs supported it. The criminals won -- they changed the dialogue so that criminals should not be punished and should be able to commit whatever crimes they want. It's amazing that in such an educated city, people are this gullible.

Next time, they should just call it, "We Love Criminals not Victims," and people would still support it. We'd probably hear from the gullible SJWs about how that just means that criminals are misunderstood and need to be supported, not that we actually value criminals more than victims.

I remember "Defund the Police" - but it didn't actually amount to much in terms of budget or policy. It mostly just made some cops think they shouldn't have to do their jobs anymore.

It meant a ton in terms of policy locally. Maybe you don’t pay attention to local news and politics, but many of us do.

It meant a ton in terms of police attitudes and opinions, they were upset about what a bunch of randos on the internet said - though DC got no more of that than any other city. In reality, the budgetary and policy impacts were minimal, especially when compared to cuts and policy changes in most other cities around the country. Yet in most other cities, police have gotten over it and have started doing their jobs again. It's long past due for MPD to do the same.

Not sure what you’re talking about. I’ve found MPD to be professional and have responded quickly whenever I’ve needed them. To your point though, unlike other cities DC is unique in that we are home to professional protesters. Literally people who put food on their tables by trying to exploit the sometimes justified use of force by police to advance national anti police policies. So if I’m a rank and file MPD officer I’m not going above and beyond unless it’s a clear life or death situation. Because trying to stop the retail theft or car thieves is going to inevitably lead to the need to go hands on. And no matter how justified I’m not risking my retirement or getting my family doxed. It’s just not worth it unless it’s life or death. And the criminals know it too, so it’s a complete free for all in the streets. This is what BLM has brought us.

DC has always been home to professional protesters. For decades. But the increase in crime is new, began with BLM protests, and UNLIKE other cities, has not declined and instead has gotten worse. And again, other cities had much bigger police budget cuts than DC. Other cities implemented more restrictive policies on police than DC. But they all seem to have moved on and are now addressing crime better than DC is. None of your comments actually address any of that. If other cities' police departments are no longer using BLM as an excuse, even though it had more of an impact on them than it did on MPD, then why is MPD still persisting in trying to use BLM as an excuse? Sorry, but I just can't see it as justifiable.

DC's prosecution rates are among the lowest in the country, both the federally appointed USAO and elected AG. That is an enormous part of the issue.

That still doesn't justify police not doing their jobs. When the prosecutors don't prosecute, it's the prosecutors' fault. But when the police don't arrest, it becomes the police's fault. The police need to stop making it their own fault.

You're getting the policing you asked for and voted for. You should be happy.

You seem deranged and delusional.

HOW AND WHEN did I vote on this, specifically? Which candidates ran on a platform of promising far more crime and 50% less arrests and which candidate ran AGAINST them promising much better policing and a reduction in crime? Which Mayor or members of Council ordered MPD to start making 50% fewer arrests?

All you seem to want to do is a lot of handwaving and hyperbolic distortions about "Defund the Police" which didn't really even happen - https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/defund-police-mpd-black-lives-matter-protests/65-29baa332-d23d-40b3-82e1-6e0e8d8de384 or pointing at some statements by randos who don't even make DC policy but who said some things you don't like.

Janeese Lewis George explicitly campaigned on defunding the police. She isn’t shy about it.

JLG hates the police department far more than she hates murderers

I just signed up for Lisa Gores newsletter. I need to dig in more but I like that she has a law enforcement background . Also like her support for vocational schools . She seems solid. Any chance for her?

I think JLG is a goner. People are really mad about her constantly-siding-with-criminals schickt.

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Vote for Lisa Gore if you live in W4, support her if you live elsewhere and agree with her approach

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Anonymous wrote:It's astounding that DC has certain street corners where there is gunfire virtually every other weekend yet MPD somehow can't figure any of it out.

2 police chiefs ago (Lanier?) Did all hands on deck in hot spots and high tension times but I believe they stopped that. It was too smart and effective.

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Anonymous wrote:Vote for Lisa Gore if you live in W4, support her if you live elsewhere and agree with her approach

I'm taking the approach that we are interconnected. I don't live in JLG or Allen's, but they have been disasters for ALL of us. I will look at giving to Lisa Gore. Every sane councilmember is a win, and who knows, maybe a future Mayor.

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Anonymous wrote:And still, nothing in this thread can coherently explain why MPD arrests nosedived and crime spiked even though crime has decreased everywhere else including cities that cut police and treated police much worse than DC.

Someone said it starts with leadership and I'm starting to think it's with the DC police union leadership.

Nope. The cops aren’t the problem here.

When arrests are massively down from where they were, and in a way that is completely disjointed from and disproportionate to budget cuts or anything else that has happened, that makes it the fault of the police.

Prior to 2017, USAO consistently prosecuted 70+% of arrests, across R & D administrations. Graves declines to prosecute up to 67% of arrests, basically inverting the ratio. It's the fault of the USA.

He is attending Frumins meeting on Wednesday if you wish to address him? I am happy to share details - believe you can go in person or zoom.

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Anonymous wrote:It's almost as if painting Black Lives Matter on the streets of DC didn't take care of all of the problems...

Maybe because pretending that the police are the biggest problem facing the black community was a convenient red herring used to deflect attention from some more inconvenient, less PC problems.