WJ/BCC Fight - No racism please!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:12 pages of comments and feel the need to provide some actual facts: This was not a brawl, fight, or melee (as media is reporting). This was assault. This was a group of thugs laying in wait for unsuspecting WJ students so they could assault them. Use of thugs meaning violent, aggressive person, especially one who is a criminal. There were multiple assaults on multiple victims and multiple videos posted, not just the one viral group mob. These assaults were not because of the outcome of the football game. This wasn't rowdy WJ and BCC students exchanging words that ended in fist fights. This was groups of thugs, who used the game as a means to assault unsuspecting students while video tapping the assaults and posting them to social media. The assailants were from BCC and possibly some from other locations (but this is not confirmed yet). Some did not even attend the game and some were kicked out of the game (making them more fired up). There were several robberies committed that evening too. There were BCC students also assaulted by these thugs. There were students being chased by them and frantic calls to parents to be picked up. Some of the assailants had ski masks. They caused chaos in a wide urban area that the police (County and Metro) were not prepared for. There are WJ and BCC students who helped one another, tried to protect each other, and continue to reach out and support each other. There are students who ended up at the hospital. There is real student trauma and parent outrage at both schools. The assaults, batteries, robberies, chases, etc. seem random on their choice of victims, but premeditated in the sense the assailants knew they were prepared to cause harm and film it. There has been multiple BCC students suspended. It is still unclear whether, if any, criminal charges can be filed on any of the assailants who are under the age of 18 since Maryland, supposedly, has laws that makes criminal punishment difficult unless murder or rape is involved. I don't know anything about this law so I'm not stating this as fact.

So here is a summary of your tldr post

Let me state the facts

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I don't know anything I'm NOT stating this as a fact.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:12 pages of comments and feel the need to provide some actual facts: This was not a brawl, fight, or melee (as media is reporting). This was assault. This was a group of thugs laying in wait for unsuspecting WJ students so they could assault them. Use of thugs meaning violent, aggressive person, especially one who is a criminal. There were multiple assaults on multiple victims and multiple videos posted, not just the one viral group mob. These assaults were not because of the outcome of the football game. This wasn't rowdy WJ and BCC students exchanging words that ended in fist fights. This was groups of thugs, who used the game as a means to assault unsuspecting students while video tapping the assaults and posting them to social media. The assailants were from BCC and possibly some from other locations (but this is not confirmed yet). Some did not even attend the game and some were kicked out of the game (making them more fired up). There were several robberies committed that evening too. There were BCC students also assaulted by these thugs. There were students being chased by them and frantic calls to parents to be picked up. Some of the assailants had ski masks. They caused chaos in a wide urban area that the police (County and Metro) were not prepared for. There are WJ and BCC students who helped one another, tried to protect each other, and continue to reach out and support each other. There are students who ended up at the hospital. There is real student trauma and parent outrage at both schools. The assaults, batteries, robberies, chases, etc. seem random on their choice of victims, but premeditated in the sense the assailants knew they were prepared to cause harm and film it. There has been multiple BCC students suspended. It is still unclear whether, if any, criminal charges can be filed on any of the assailants who are under the age of 18 since Maryland, supposedly, has laws that makes criminal punishment difficult unless murder or rape is involved. I don't know anything about this law so I'm not stating this as fact.

How do you know all of these facts?

It's not facts, it's her conjecture. She even says "I don't know anything so I'm not stating this as fact."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I talked with my WJ kid — who was not there— about the fact none of the kids called the cops. His feeling was that no one would want to be seen as the one calling the cops. We discussed that you can text 911 with something like need help, address—send police now. And then send a video if possible to do so safely. My teens were really happy with that information as they thought they could do any of that discretely. Please talk to your kids about this.

But it’s also important o recognize that peole in a traumatic situation often don’t think rationally. When I did first aid training they taught us to yell Call 911 and identify a specific person to do so because if you tell call an ambulance, a shocking number of people blank on what the number is, and also if you just yell it into the crowd, everyone will assume someone else called. And that’s with adults!

This is a good reminder to talk to our teens about texting 911. And +1 to the first aid training. You have to tell one specific person to call 911.

Yes when kids are "assaulted" they do call 911 but when they know its just a fight between teenagers they don't.

I take it one of your darlings is under investigation.

Oh hon. Your kid wasn’t assaulted he fought and lost.

Get him into MMA and/or tell him to go home not to a fight after a game.

WTF is wrong with you? No wonder we are in this situation. A$$hole parents have a$$hole kids.

I agree rich kids are a-holes in general and they get themselves in bad situation they can't get out of without parents and lawyers. But kids make mistakes, get over their heads then tell their parents a fake story. They will definitely learn to stop doing that hopefully before they get to college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:12 pages of comments and feel the need to provide some actual facts: This was not a brawl, fight, or melee (as media is reporting). This was assault. This was a group of thugs laying in wait for unsuspecting WJ students so they could assault them. Use of thugs meaning violent, aggressive person, especially one who is a criminal. There were multiple assaults on multiple victims and multiple videos posted, not just the one viral group mob. These assaults were not because of the outcome of the football game. This wasn't rowdy WJ and BCC students exchanging words that ended in fist fights. This was groups of thugs, who used the game as a means to assault unsuspecting students while video tapping the assaults and posting them to social media. The assailants were from BCC and possibly some from other locations (but this is not confirmed yet). Some did not even attend the game and some were kicked out of the game (making them more fired up). There were several robberies committed that evening too. There were BCC students also assaulted by these thugs. There were students being chased by them and frantic calls to parents to be picked up. Some of the assailants had ski masks. They caused chaos in a wide urban area that the police (County and Metro) were not prepared for. There are WJ and BCC students who helped one another, tried to protect each other, and continue to reach out and support each other. There are students who ended up at the hospital. There is real student trauma and parent outrage at both schools. The assaults, batteries, robberies, chases, etc. seem random on their choice of victims, but premeditated in the sense the assailants knew they were prepared to cause harm and film it. There has been multiple BCC students suspended. It is still unclear whether, if any, criminal charges can be filed on any of the assailants who are under the age of 18 since Maryland, supposedly, has laws that makes criminal punishment difficult unless murder or rape is involved. I don't know anything about this law so I'm not stating this as fact.

"feel the need to provide some actual facts"

*proceeds to provide lots of non-actual non-facts*

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I talked with my WJ kid — who was not there— about the fact none of the kids called the cops. His feeling was that no one would want to be seen as the one calling the cops. We discussed that you can text 911 with something like need help, address—send police now. And then send a video if possible to do so safely. My teens were really happy with that information as they thought they could do any of that discretely. Please talk to your kids about this.

But it’s also important o recognize that peole in a traumatic situation often don’t think rationally. When I did first aid training they taught us to yell Call 911 and identify a specific person to do so because if you tell call an ambulance, a shocking number of people blank on what the number is, and also if you just yell it into the crowd, everyone will assume someone else called. And that’s with adults!

This is a good reminder to talk to our teens about texting 911. And +1 to the first aid training. You have to tell one specific person to call 911.

Yes when kids are "assaulted" they do call 911 but when they know its just a fight between teenagers they don't.

I take it one of your darlings is under investigation.

Oh hon. Your kid wasn’t assaulted he fought and lost.

Get him into MMA and/or tell him to go home not to a fight after a game.

WTF is wrong with you? No wonder we are in this situation. A$$hole parents have a$$hole kids.

I agree rich kids are a-holes in general and they get themselves in bad situation they can't get out of without parents and lawyers. But kids make mistakes, get over their heads then tell their parents a fake story. They will definitely learn to stop doing that hopefully before they get to college.

What fake story are you convinced the WJ kids are telling and why do you believe that to be the case? Especially since they're saying the B-CC kids had ski masks on and there were robberies and property damage, so clearly there was premeditation on their part.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:12 pages of comments and feel the need to provide some actual facts: This was not a brawl, fight, or melee (as media is reporting). This was assault. This was a group of thugs laying in wait for unsuspecting WJ students so they could assault them. Use of thugs meaning violent, aggressive person, especially one who is a criminal. There were multiple assaults on multiple victims and multiple videos posted, not just the one viral group mob. These assaults were not because of the outcome of the football game. This wasn't rowdy WJ and BCC students exchanging words that ended in fist fights. This was groups of thugs, who used the game as a means to assault unsuspecting students while video tapping the assaults and posting them to social media. The assailants were from BCC and possibly some from other locations (but this is not confirmed yet). Some did not even attend the game and some were kicked out of the game (making them more fired up). There were several robberies committed that evening too. There were BCC students also assaulted by these thugs. There were students being chased by them and frantic calls to parents to be picked up. Some of the assailants had ski masks. They caused chaos in a wide urban area that the police (County and Metro) were not prepared for. There are WJ and BCC students who helped one another, tried to protect each other, and continue to reach out and support each other. There are students who ended up at the hospital. There is real student trauma and parent outrage at both schools. The assaults, batteries, robberies, chases, etc. seem random on their choice of victims, but premeditated in the sense the assailants knew they were prepared to cause harm and film it. There has been multiple BCC students suspended. It is still unclear whether, if any, criminal charges can be filed on any of the assailants who are under the age of 18 since Maryland, supposedly, has laws that makes criminal punishment difficult unless murder or rape is involved. I don't know anything about this law so I'm not stating this as fact.

How do you know all of these facts?

It's not facts, it's her conjecture. She even says "I don't know anything so I'm not stating this as fact."

I think PP meant they didn't know anything about the law/whether these minors can face criminal charges. Not that they didn't know any facts about what happened that night.

[Anonymous]

I can't speak directly of the Maryland law. That is what I said I could not state as fact, but this could/should be easily researched. Could I have done it and should I have, yes. But I'm tired.

The rest is fact.

How do I know what happened? I just do and I truly wish I didn't. Infer from that what you want.

It's funny...people just want to believe what they want to believe to fit the best narrative for them. No one can be wrong or open to information. I'm not sure what anyone has to gain or loose here by arguing their side they believe to be true. If you want WJ students to be part of the criminal activity, no amount of evidence will disprove what you want to believe. If you want this to be a fight and not assault, no amount proof is going to dissuade you. If you want this to be entitled rich kids getting what they deserve, no amount of proof will dissuade you. If you want this to be a school rivalry football bad athlete issue, then again, nothing anyone says with actual knowledge will change your mind.

And so the pages of comments go on. Good luck out there all. We need it.

Next argument topic - grass is green

[Anonymous]

"It's not facts, it's her conjecture. She even says "I don't know anything so I'm not stating this as fact."

"I think PP meant they didn't know anything about the law/whether these minors can face criminal charges. Not that they didn't know any facts about what happened that night."

Exactly what I meant. Not the entire summary, just the law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can't speak directly of the Maryland law. That is what I said I could not state as fact, but this could/should be easily researched. Could I have done it and should I have, yes. But I'm tired.

The rest is fact.

How do I know what happened? I just do and I truly wish I didn't. Infer from that what you want.

It's funny...people just want to believe what they want to believe to fit the best narrative for them. No one can be wrong or open to information. I'm not sure what anyone has to gain or loose here by arguing their side they believe to be true. If you want WJ students to be part of the criminal activity, no amount of evidence will disprove what you want to believe. If you want this to be a fight and not assault, no amount proof is going to dissuade you. If you want this to be entitled rich kids getting what they deserve, no amount of proof will dissuade you. If you want this to be a school rivalry football bad athlete issue, then again, nothing anyone says with actual knowledge will change your mind.

And so the pages of comments go on. Good luck out there all. We need it.

Next argument topic - grass is green

It you know this because your own child was victimized, I'm so sorry. I hope the students involved in this assault face consequences, both by MCPS and by law enforcement.

- BCC parent

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I talked with my WJ kid — who was not there— about the fact none of the kids called the cops. His feeling was that no one would want to be seen as the one calling the cops. We discussed that you can text 911 with something like need help, address—send police now. And then send a video if possible to do so safely. My teens were really happy with that information as they thought they could do any of that discretely. Please talk to your kids about this.

But it’s also important o recognize that peole in a traumatic situation often don’t think rationally. When I did first aid training they taught us to yell Call 911 and identify a specific person to do so because if you tell call an ambulance, a shocking number of people blank on what the number is, and also if you just yell it into the crowd, everyone will assume someone else called. And that’s with adults!

This is a good reminder to talk to our teens about texting 911. And +1 to the first aid training. You have to tell one specific person to call 911.

Yes when kids are "assaulted" they do call 911 but when they know its just a fight between teenagers they don't.

I take it one of your darlings is under investigation.

Oh hon. Your kid wasn’t assaulted he fought and lost.

Get him into MMA and/or tell him to go home not to a fight after a game.

WTF is wrong with you? No wonder we are in this situation. A$$hole parents have a$$hole kids.

I agree rich kids are a-holes in general and they get themselves in bad situation they can't get out of without parents and lawyers. But kids make mistakes, get over their heads then tell their parents a fake story. They will definitely learn to stop doing that hopefully before they get to college.

What fake story are you convinced the WJ kids are telling and why do you believe that to be the case? Especially since they're saying the B-CC kids had ski masks on and there were robberies and property damage, so clearly there was premeditation on their part.

Are you being sarcastic by repeating the WJ story?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can't speak directly of the Maryland law. That is what I said I could not state as fact, but this could/should be easily researched. Could I have done it and should I have, yes. But I'm tired.

The rest is fact.

How do I know what happened? I just do and I truly wish I didn't. Infer from that what you want.

It's funny...people just want to believe what they want to believe to fit the best narrative for them. No one can be wrong or open to information. I'm not sure what anyone has to gain or loose here by arguing their side they believe to be true. If you want WJ students to be part of the criminal activity, no amount of evidence will disprove what you want to believe. If you want this to be a fight and not assault, no amount proof is going to dissuade you. If you want this to be entitled rich kids getting what they deserve, no amount of proof will dissuade you. If you want this to be a school rivalry football bad athlete issue, then again, nothing anyone says with actual knowledge will change your mind.

And so the pages of comments go on. Good luck out there all. We need it.

Next argument topic - grass is green

Yet you continue to provide no facts.

Nothing you stated was a fact, it’s all conjecture based on stories told by WJ children.

We won’t know facts (probably ever) but we will know more once a police investigation is complete.

An arrest isn’t even a fact, an arrest is based on reasonable suspicion… like the boy at Seneca arrested for assault then 4 girl’s admitted to lying to the cops.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't speak directly of the Maryland law. That is what I said I could not state as fact, but this could/should be easily researched. Could I have done it and should I have, yes. But I'm tired.

The rest is fact.

How do I know what happened? I just do and I truly wish I didn't. Infer from that what you want.

It's funny...people just want to believe what they want to believe to fit the best narrative for them. No one can be wrong or open to information. I'm not sure what anyone has to gain or loose here by arguing their side they believe to be true. If you want WJ students to be part of the criminal activity, no amount of evidence will disprove what you want to believe. If you want this to be a fight and not assault, no amount proof is going to dissuade you. If you want this to be entitled rich kids getting what they deserve, no amount of proof will dissuade you. If you want this to be a school rivalry football bad athlete issue, then again, nothing anyone says with actual knowledge will change your mind.

And so the pages of comments go on. Good luck out there all. We need it.

Next argument topic - grass is green

It you know this because your own child was victimized, I'm so sorry. I hope the students involved in this assault face consequences, both by MCPS and by law enforcement.

- BCC parent

Even if her child was involved it does not mean she knows facts.

She only knows the story told to her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't speak directly of the Maryland law. That is what I said I could not state as fact, but this could/should be easily researched. Could I have done it and should I have, yes. But I'm tired.

The rest is fact.

How do I know what happened? I just do and I truly wish I didn't. Infer from that what you want.

It's funny...people just want to believe what they want to believe to fit the best narrative for them. No one can be wrong or open to information. I'm not sure what anyone has to gain or loose here by arguing their side they believe to be true. If you want WJ students to be part of the criminal activity, no amount of evidence will disprove what you want to believe. If you want this to be a fight and not assault, no amount proof is going to dissuade you. If you want this to be entitled rich kids getting what they deserve, no amount of proof will dissuade you. If you want this to be a school rivalry football bad athlete issue, then again, nothing anyone says with actual knowledge will change your mind.

And so the pages of comments go on. Good luck out there all. We need it.

Next argument topic - grass is green

It you know this because your own child was victimized, I'm so sorry. I hope the students involved in this assault face consequences, both by MCPS and by law enforcement.

- BCC parent

Even if her child was involved it does not mean she knows facts.

She only knows the story told to her.

Okay, I'll restate. I'm sorry for any parent whose child was injured, whether they were willing participants in a fight or assaulted as they were going about their evening. Either way, no one deserves to be beaten and kicked by multiple people while they're down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't speak directly of the Maryland law. That is what I said I could not state as fact, but this could/should be easily researched. Could I have done it and should I have, yes. But I'm tired.

The rest is fact.

How do I know what happened? I just do and I truly wish I didn't. Infer from that what you want.

It's funny...people just want to believe what they want to believe to fit the best narrative for them. No one can be wrong or open to information. I'm not sure what anyone has to gain or loose here by arguing their side they believe to be true. If you want WJ students to be part of the criminal activity, no amount of evidence will disprove what you want to believe. If you want this to be a fight and not assault, no amount proof is going to dissuade you. If you want this to be entitled rich kids getting what they deserve, no amount of proof will dissuade you. If you want this to be a school rivalry football bad athlete issue, then again, nothing anyone says with actual knowledge will change your mind.

And so the pages of comments go on. Good luck out there all. We need it.

Next argument topic - grass is green

It you know this because your own child was victimized, I'm so sorry. I hope the students involved in this assault face consequences, both by MCPS and by law enforcement.

- BCC parent

Even if her child was involved it does not mean she knows facts.

She only knows the story told to her.

Okay, I'll restate. I'm sorry for any parent whose child was injured, whether they were willing participants in a fight or assaulted as they were going about their evening. Either way, no one deserves to be beaten and kicked by multiple people while they're down.

I agree. Assuming the boy was not thrown to the ground and kicked after he attacked someone… he didn’t deserve to be hit and kicked on the ground.

[Anonymous]

According to this article, crimes of violence, including robbery and first degree assault, can still be charged under Maryland law against children under 13.
https://frizwoods.com/blog/juvenile-law-update-maryland