WJ/BCC Fight - No racism please!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I talked with my WJ kid — who was not there— about the fact none of the kids called the cops. His feeling was that no one would want to be seen as the one calling the cops. We discussed that you can text 911 with something like need help, address—send police now. And then send a video if possible to do so safely. My teens were really happy with that information as they thought they could do any of that discretely. Please talk to your kids about this.

But it’s also important o recognize that peole in a traumatic situation often don’t think rationally. When I did first aid training they taught us to yell Call 911 and identify a specific person to do so because if you tell call an ambulance, a shocking number of people blank on what the number is, and also if you just yell it into the crowd, everyone will assume someone else called. And that’s with adults!

This is a good reminder to talk to our teens about texting 911. And +1 to the first aid training. You have to tell one specific person to call 911.

Yes when kids are "assaulted" they do call 911 but when they know its just a fight between teenagers they don't.

I take it one of your darlings is under investigation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It was also reported by several that the girl in the long braids, sports bra and black leggings/white stripes (video) was following and threatening others who were able to get get away. Her and her sidekick were looking to be violent.

Also, there are a few others where the assault was not caught on video who were more seriously injured than those in the videos that have been shared.

This can't be swept under the rug and criminal charges must be filed!

these kids need to be moved to an alternative school.

they were moved to b-cc -they were not suspended, they were in class yesterday.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Everything McKnight Says is scripted, edited, double checked not said off the topnof her head and what she said was its on the parents. Passing the buck back onto parents is a symptom of ineffective leadership.

Agreed. If I was McKnight, I'd either suspend future games until the investigation is completed, or move them to Saturday mornings (so as not to punish the many players/kids not involved). That's an easy thing to do, and it would show doing something.

Then, I'd at least do some photo ops showing in-person meetings with the affected school principals, MCPD police chief, and metro transit police chief. Yes, it would be sort of window dressing, but that's a whole lot better than doing nothing.

But of course I don't expect that. Remember the Magruder shooting? It happened in the morning. The press conference (and kids getting let out after lockdown) were in the afternoon. She didn't show up for the press conference as she was 'caught in traffic' but MCPD chief, county exec, and district attorney were all there. What I don't get is why she didn't show up as soon as she heard. Parents were milling about outside the locked-down school and worried about their kids inside. This is the time when a leader shows their face and comforts worried parents.

That would require leadership.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It was also reported by several that the girl in the long braids, sports bra and black leggings/white stripes (video) was following and threatening others who were able to get get away. Her and her sidekick were looking to be violent.

Also, there are a few others where the assault was not caught on video who were more seriously injured than those in the videos that have been shared.

This can't be swept under the rug and criminal charges must be filed!

This is learned at home.

[Anonymous]

When Whitman students made racist postings on social media.. but from their home, and on a private social media account, they got in trouble at school and had it reported to the police:

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2019/04/two-whitman-hs-students-wore-blackface-school-said/

I think some are calling for the school to punish the kids involved in these fights. That would be consistent based on the Whitman incident. But is it happening?

In the Whitman case, I'm not sure students should be punished for their speech that occurs out of school on their own time. That's a slippery slope. But speech is not illegal (I assume the police did nothing since no crime was committed). The difference in the BCC/WJ case is a crime was indeed committed, based on the video.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I talked with my WJ kid — who was not there— about the fact none of the kids called the cops. His feeling was that no one would want to be seen as the one calling the cops. We discussed that you can text 911 with something like need help, address—send police now. And then send a video if possible to do so safely. My teens were really happy with that information as they thought they could do any of that discretely. Please talk to your kids about this.

But it’s also important o recognize that peole in a traumatic situation often don’t think rationally. When I did first aid training they taught us to yell Call 911 and identify a specific person to do so because if you tell call an ambulance, a shocking number of people blank on what the number is, and also if you just yell it into the crowd, everyone will assume someone else called. And that’s with adults!

There is a rampant "no snitching" culture and attitude in Gen Z. We as parents and a community have to break our kids of this. It is toxic and corrosive to everyone's collective and individual wellbeing.

+1
Telling, complaining or reporting something = Karen.

I loathe that term.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I talked with my WJ kid — who was not there— about the fact none of the kids called the cops. His feeling was that no one would want to be seen as the one calling the cops. We discussed that you can text 911 with something like need help, address—send police now. And then send a video if possible to do so safely. My teens were really happy with that information as they thought they could do any of that discretely. Please talk to your kids about this.

But it’s also important o recognize that peole in a traumatic situation often don’t think rationally. When I did first aid training they taught us to yell Call 911 and identify a specific person to do so because if you tell call an ambulance, a shocking number of people blank on what the number is, and also if you just yell it into the crowd, everyone will assume someone else called. And that’s with adults!

There is a rampant "no snitching" culture and attitude in Gen Z. We as parents and a community have to break our kids of this. It is toxic and corrosive to everyone's collective and individual wellbeing.

+1
Telling, complaining or reporting something = Karen.

I loathe that term.

My kids are at Blair and “snitches get stitches” is absolutely 100% a thing. Probably more so for my son than daughter. Who wants to get their a$$ beat because they told on someone?
I agree it’s a terrible culture but how does one stop it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I talked with my WJ kid — who was not there— about the fact none of the kids called the cops. His feeling was that no one would want to be seen as the one calling the cops. We discussed that you can text 911 with something like need help, address—send police now. And then send a video if possible to do so safely. My teens were really happy with that information as they thought they could do any of that discretely. Please talk to your kids about this.

But it’s also important o recognize that peole in a traumatic situation often don’t think rationally. When I did first aid training they taught us to yell Call 911 and identify a specific person to do so because if you tell call an ambulance, a shocking number of people blank on what the number is, and also if you just yell it into the crowd, everyone will assume someone else called. And that’s with adults!

There is a rampant "no snitching" culture and attitude in Gen Z. We as parents and a community have to break our kids of this. It is toxic and corrosive to everyone's collective and individual wellbeing.

+1
Telling, complaining or reporting something = Karen.

I loathe that term.

My kids are at Blair and “snitches get stitches” is absolutely 100% a thing. Probably more so for my son than daughter. Who wants to get their a$$ beat because they told on someone?
I agree it’s a terrible culture but how does one stop it?

They need to be assured that everything they say, is confidential, and they won’t bring them into some circle to confront or verify. Although a court would be different just in general at school for minor things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I talked with my WJ kid — who was not there— about the fact none of the kids called the cops. His feeling was that no one would want to be seen as the one calling the cops. We discussed that you can text 911 with something like need help, address—send police now. And then send a video if possible to do so safely. My teens were really happy with that information as they thought they could do any of that discretely. Please talk to your kids about this.

But it’s also important o recognize that peole in a traumatic situation often don’t think rationally. When I did first aid training they taught us to yell Call 911 and identify a specific person to do so because if you tell call an ambulance, a shocking number of people blank on what the number is, and also if you just yell it into the crowd, everyone will assume someone else called. And that’s with adults!

This is a good reminder to talk to our teens about texting 911. And +1 to the first aid training. You have to tell one specific person to call 911.

Yes when kids are "assaulted" they do call 911 but when they know its just a fight between teenagers they don't.

I take it one of your darlings is under investigation.

Oh hon. Your kid wasn’t assaulted he fought and lost.

Get him into MMA and/or tell him to go home not to a fight after a game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It was also reported by several that the girl in the long braids, sports bra and black leggings/white stripes (video) was following and threatening others who were able to get get away. Her and her sidekick were looking to be violent.

Also, there are a few others where the assault was not caught on video who were more seriously injured than those in the videos that have been shared.

This can't be swept under the rug and criminal charges must be filed!

these kids need to be moved to an alternative school.

they were moved to b-cc -they were not suspended, they were in class yesterday.

Sounds about right for MCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When Whitman students made racist postings on social media.. but from their home, and on a private social media account, they got in trouble at school and had it reported to the police:

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2019/04/two-whitman-hs-students-wore-blackface-school-said/

I think some are calling for the school to punish the kids involved in these fights. That would be consistent based on the Whitman incident. But is it happening?

In the Whitman case, I'm not sure students should be punished for their speech that occurs out of school on their own time. That's a slippery slope. But speech is not illegal (I assume the police did nothing since no crime was committed). The difference in the BCC/WJ case is a crime was indeed committed, based on the video.

Based on my reading from the principal communications, I think the school is looking to take disciplinary action for this out-of-school conduct. But they should proceed carefully, because there is a parallel criminal investigation that should take precedence, because there are more rules about criminal investigations. You don't want a violent offender walking away because the school official interrogated them and got some confession without a Miranda warning or the school person messes up the chain of custody on evidence or something like that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I talked with my WJ kid — who was not there— about the fact none of the kids called the cops. His feeling was that no one would want to be seen as the one calling the cops. We discussed that you can text 911 with something like need help, address—send police now. And then send a video if possible to do so safely. My teens were really happy with that information as they thought they could do any of that discretely. Please talk to your kids about this.

But it’s also important o recognize that peole in a traumatic situation often don’t think rationally. When I did first aid training they taught us to yell Call 911 and identify a specific person to do so because if you tell call an ambulance, a shocking number of people blank on what the number is, and also if you just yell it into the crowd, everyone will assume someone else called. And that’s with adults!

This is a good reminder to talk to our teens about texting 911. And +1 to the first aid training. You have to tell one specific person to call 911.

Yes when kids are "assaulted" they do call 911 but when they know its just a fight between teenagers they don't.

I take it one of your darlings is under investigation.

Oh hon. Your kid wasn’t assaulted he fought and lost.

Get him into MMA and/or tell him to go home not to a fight after a game.

WTF is wrong with you? No wonder we are in this situation. A$$hole parents have a$$hole kids.

[Anonymous]

It's the "Oh Hon," poster once again.

[Anonymous]

12 pages of comments and feel the need to provide some actual facts: This was not a brawl, fight, or melee (as media is reporting). This was assault. This was a group of thugs laying in wait for unsuspecting WJ students so they could assault them. Use of thugs meaning violent, aggressive person, especially one who is a criminal. There were multiple assaults on multiple victims and multiple videos posted, not just the one viral group mob. These assaults were not because of the outcome of the football game. This wasn't rowdy WJ and BCC students exchanging words that ended in fist fights. This was groups of thugs, who used the game as a means to assault unsuspecting students while video tapping the assaults and posting them to social media. The assailants were from BCC and possibly some from other locations (but this is not confirmed yet). Some did not even attend the game and some were kicked out of the game (making them more fired up). There were several robberies committed that evening too. There were BCC students also assaulted by these thugs. There were students being chased by them and frantic calls to parents to be picked up. Some of the assailants had ski masks. They caused chaos in a wide urban area that the police (County and Metro) were not prepared for. There are WJ and BCC students who helped one another, tried to protect each other, and continue to reach out and support each other. There are students who ended up at the hospital. There is real student trauma and parent outrage at both schools. The assaults, batteries, robberies, chases, etc. seem random on their choice of victims, but premeditated in the sense the assailants knew they were prepared to cause harm and film it. There has been multiple BCC students suspended. It is still unclear whether, if any, criminal charges can be filed on any of the assailants who are under the age of 18 since Maryland, supposedly, has laws that makes criminal punishment difficult unless murder or rape is involved. I don't know anything about this law so I'm not stating this as fact.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:12 pages of comments and feel the need to provide some actual facts: This was not a brawl, fight, or melee (as media is reporting). This was assault. This was a group of thugs laying in wait for unsuspecting WJ students so they could assault them. Use of thugs meaning violent, aggressive person, especially one who is a criminal. There were multiple assaults on multiple victims and multiple videos posted, not just the one viral group mob. These assaults were not because of the outcome of the football game. This wasn't rowdy WJ and BCC students exchanging words that ended in fist fights. This was groups of thugs, who used the game as a means to assault unsuspecting students while video tapping the assaults and posting them to social media. The assailants were from BCC and possibly some from other locations (but this is not confirmed yet). Some did not even attend the game and some were kicked out of the game (making them more fired up). There were several robberies committed that evening too. There were BCC students also assaulted by these thugs. There were students being chased by them and frantic calls to parents to be picked up. Some of the assailants had ski masks. They caused chaos in a wide urban area that the police (County and Metro) were not prepared for. There are WJ and BCC students who helped one another, tried to protect each other, and continue to reach out and support each other. There are students who ended up at the hospital. There is real student trauma and parent outrage at both schools. The assaults, batteries, robberies, chases, etc. seem random on their choice of victims, but premeditated in the sense the assailants knew they were prepared to cause harm and film it. There has been multiple BCC students suspended. It is still unclear whether, if any, criminal charges can be filed on any of the assailants who are under the age of 18 since Maryland, supposedly, has laws that makes criminal punishment difficult unless murder or rape is involved. I don't know anything about this law so I'm not stating this as fact.

How do you know all of these facts?