Biden wants RTO

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Anonymous wrote:I think it is Biden’s commercial real estate donor class.

It's more than that. DC is going to face a massive property tax shortfall if office buildings get revalued downward by 50%. CRE pays property tax rates that are 2x of DC homeowners.

It will start a services cut-tax hike spiral on the remaining residents if CRE takes a big haircut. It will be Democratic-voting big cities that will face the brunt of these revenue shortfalls. Crime will go up, schools will get worse, poverty alleviation programs get eliminated, etc.

My kid is in DPR summer camp right now at our local park. It's an amazing program and costs me $150 for two weeks for 8am-6pm daily care + all food covered. It's safe, fun, and has a good curriculum of play + art + learning. It's dirt cheap and he has fun. If CRE gets revalued down by 50%, that summer camp option gets eliminated. Or it goes up in price so much that poor and MC DC families can't afford it.

So I need to go in so you can send your kid to summer camp?

The point flew right over your head.

It was just one example of one of the poverty alleviation programs that DC generously funds. I can afford to send my kid to sleepaway camp for $10K per summer, but cheap DPR programs are lifeline for working class families in DC. If these programs go away, those kids are out on the street all summer. Or one of their parents need to quit their job, thus the whole family falls behind financially.

If CRE is haircut by 50%, it's going to cause massive financial issues for nearly every urban core in America. That's why Biden is requiring RTO for Feds - it's leading by example.

So yeah, you're going to back to the office. I'm a Fed and in the office 4 days/week. It's happening in spite of union contracts. Every agency is going to exercise the option to formally re-open the CBA.

please put some actual numbers and evidence behind a) the amount of lost property tax and b) impact on DC budget.

The federal government is not making this decision by committe where they need the buy-in of the employees who have a personal interest in not returning to the office--so no, no has to show the numbers to you.

yes you do have to show us the numbers if you’re claiming that we’re killing DC if we don’t return.

No they don't need to show you anything. The fed govt doesn't actually have to have a reason anyway to bring us back, it can do so just because it wants to. If I were in charge I wouldn't even bother giving a reason because every reason is refuted with excuses it is a never ending cycle.

No, we have protections under labor law and can vote with our feet (not to mention our actual votes).

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Anonymous wrote:If they can guarantee for us working parents that schools won't close down, or close contacts have to stay home, or need any proof of negative test results before returning to school after being sick, sure. But if we have to put up with that nonsense in any possible covid "surges", then no we can't RTO in any meaningful way.

You can, not "can't", you will just be inconvenienced; work isn't always convenient, you knew that before COVID and nothing has changed. I am sure you wouldn't like it if teachers worked from home as much as you do.

good thing that we, like teachers, have unions and legal rights here.

You can express your legal rights happily when you go back to office in a few weeks

Not happening at my agency, sorry!

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Anonymous wrote:If they can guarantee for us working parents that schools won't close down, or close contacts have to stay home, or need any proof of negative test results before returning to school after being sick, sure. But if we have to put up with that nonsense in any possible covid "surges", then no we can't RTO in any meaningful way.

You can, not "can't", you will just be inconvenienced; work isn't always convenient, you knew that before COVID and nothing has changed. I am sure you wouldn't like it if teachers worked from home as much as you do.

good thing that we, like teachers, have unions and legal rights here.

You can express your legal rights happily when you go back to office in a few weeks

Not happening at my agency, sorry!

You are the one person who works at GPO who posts this all the time, the exception does not make the rule

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Anonymous wrote:I think this will be kicked to individual agencies with widely ranging results. We converted a bunch of jobs to “remote only” so those folks can’t come back (easily).

Disagree. Our remote agreements are only approved for one year only, not permanently. I'm at a large cabinet level agency and I think even remote workers would be surprised to know that.

They just sunseted remote work for all SES and SL.

My office just posted a fully remote position.

Yeah I just saw one for DOJ. I think this is a lot of bluster. We were only in office 2 days/week pre-pandemic. I’m fine going back to that, but would have to significantly rearrange my and my family’s lives to go in more than that.

So just leave your job and someone else can do it.

No, in all likelihood, I would either have to buy a second car, move my kids to a different school, or both. All so I can sit in my office at work and write memos and rarely talk to coworkers, rather than sit in my office at home and write memos and rarely talk to coworkers.

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Fortunately, my agency gave about a third of our office space back to GSA. There is no where for everyone to go back to now

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Anonymous wrote:I think this will be kicked to individual agencies with widely ranging results. We converted a bunch of jobs to “remote only” so those folks can’t come back (easily).

Disagree. Our remote agreements are only approved for one year only, not permanently. I'm at a large cabinet level agency and I think even remote workers would be surprised to know that.

They just sunseted remote work for all SES and SL.

My office just posted a fully remote position.

Yeah I just saw one for DOJ. I think this is a lot of bluster. We were only in office 2 days/week pre-pandemic. I’m fine going back to that, but would have to significantly rearrange my and my family’s lives to go in more than that.

So just leave your job and someone else can do it.

No, in all likelihood, I would either have to buy a second car, move my kids to a different school, or both. All so I can sit in my office at work and write memos and rarely talk to coworkers, rather than sit in my office at home and write memos and rarely talk to coworkers.

In other words, this is called "life". The mission of the federal government isn't "do everything possible to allow dual high income households to maximize use of their two salaries as much as possible"

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Anonymous wrote:If they can guarantee for us working parents that schools won't close down, or close contacts have to stay home, or need any proof of negative test results before returning to school after being sick, sure. But if we have to put up with that nonsense in any possible covid "surges", then no we can't RTO in any meaningful way.

You can, not "can't", you will just be inconvenienced; work isn't always convenient, you knew that before COVID and nothing has changed. I am sure you wouldn't like it if teachers worked from home as much as you do.

good thing that we, like teachers, have unions and legal rights here.

You can express your legal rights happily when you go back to office in a few weeks

Not happening at my agency, sorry!

You are the one person who works at GPO who posts this all the time, the exception does not make the rule

Do you not understand labor law?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Fortunately, my agency gave about a third of our office space back to GSA. There is no where for everyone to go back to now

It won’t be 100% RTO. More like 95% of people in 3 days/week. I expect that by year end

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Anonymous wrote:If they can guarantee for us working parents that schools won't close down, or close contacts have to stay home, or need any proof of negative test results before returning to school after being sick, sure. But if we have to put up with that nonsense in any possible covid "surges", then no we can't RTO in any meaningful way.

You can, not "can't", you will just be inconvenienced; work isn't always convenient, you knew that before COVID and nothing has changed. I am sure you wouldn't like it if teachers worked from home as much as you do.

good thing that we, like teachers, have unions and legal rights here.

You can express your legal rights happily when you go back to office in a few weeks

Not happening at my agency, sorry!

You are the one person who works at GPO who posts this all the time, the exception does not make the rule

Do you not understand labor law?

Again, the exceptions do not make the rule--no one is talking about your individual circumstances but I know for WFHomers it is always about me me me so you are not capable of taking a moment to think about big picture. It is not about you, your personal situation. Most feds will need to go back to office. I am sure administration is aware of labor laws.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think it is Biden’s commercial real estate donor class.

It's more than that. DC is going to face a massive property tax shortfall if office buildings get revalued downward by 50%. CRE pays property tax rates that are 2x of DC homeowners.

It will start a services cut-tax hike spiral on the remaining residents if CRE takes a big haircut. It will be Democratic-voting big cities that will face the brunt of these revenue shortfalls. Crime will go up, schools will get worse, poverty alleviation programs get eliminated, etc.

My kid is in DPR summer camp right now at our local park. It's an amazing program and costs me $150 for two weeks for 8am-6pm daily care + all food covered. It's safe, fun, and has a good curriculum of play + art + learning. It's dirt cheap and he has fun. If CRE gets revalued down by 50%, that summer camp option gets eliminated. Or it goes up in price so much that poor and MC DC families can't afford it.

Sorry - the schools are already terrible and the crime is too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Biden admin just keeps pissing the wrong people off and it's going to back fire royally. They keep pushing they will see what's going to happen next election.

+100 THIS!

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Anonymous wrote:What is the motivation? To increase productivity or just because so many office buildings are empty?

The reason is Muriel Bowzer pushed for it so that D.c.’s economy doesn’t get destroyed.

Then she needs to make sure she can accommodate all the returning commuters. The changes she made to downtown will cause major bottlenecks.

This is a good point. I’ve been in the office 3x week this whole time and the new bike lanes etc can really be bottlenecks. as bad as it can be I know this is still just a percentage of commuters compared to preCovid. Lots of my colleagues don’t want to metro so I think everyone will be driving.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this will be kicked to individual agencies with widely ranging results. We converted a bunch of jobs to “remote only” so those folks can’t come back (easily).

Disagree. Our remote agreements are only approved for one year only, not permanently. I'm at a large cabinet level agency and I think even remote workers would be surprised to know that.

They just sunseted remote work for all SES and SL.

My office just posted a fully remote position.

Yeah I just saw one for DOJ. I think this is a lot of bluster. We were only in office 2 days/week pre-pandemic. I’m fine going back to that, but would have to significantly rearrange my and my family’s lives to go in more than that.

So just leave your job and someone else can do it.

No, in all likelihood, I would either have to buy a second car, move my kids to a different school, or both. All so I can sit in my office at work and write memos and rarely talk to coworkers, rather than sit in my office at home and write memos and rarely talk to coworkers.

In other words, this is called "life". The mission of the federal government isn't "do everything possible to allow dual high income households to maximize use of their two salaries as much as possible"

Yeah work life balance is for entitled little shits. Thank you for schooling me!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Biden admin just keeps pissing the wrong people off and it's going to back fire royally. They keep pushing they will see what's going to happen next election.

+100 THIS!

This idiocy was floated in another thread on this topic. It's as silly now as it was then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Biden admin just keeps pissing the wrong people off and it's going to back fire royally. They keep pushing they will see what's going to happen next election.

+100 THIS!

This idiocy was floated in another thread on this topic. It's as silly now as it was then.

You keep telling yourself that.