Biden wants RTO

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I won't vote for Trump but will absolutely vote for the next Republican.

That's pretty close to how I feel. If JB vs DT, I'll pass. If JB vs someone moderate R, I may vote for R.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I won't vote for Trump but will absolutely vote for the next Republican.

hahahaha, there will be zero wfh under trump and a very high likelihood your dept will be moved to rural alabama.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it is Biden’s commercial real estate donor class.

It's more than that. DC is going to face a massive property tax shortfall if office buildings get revalued downward by 50%. CRE pays property tax rates that are 2x of DC homeowners.

It will start a services cut-tax hike spiral on the remaining residents if CRE takes a big haircut. It will be Democratic-voting big cities that will face the brunt of these revenue shortfalls. Crime will go up, schools will get worse, poverty alleviation programs get eliminated, etc.

My kid is in DPR summer camp right now at our local park. It's an amazing program and costs me $150 for two weeks for 8am-6pm daily care + all food covered. It's safe, fun, and has a good curriculum of play + art + learning. It's dirt cheap and he has fun. If CRE gets revalued down by 50%, that summer camp option gets eliminated. Or it goes up in price so much that poor and MC DC families can't afford it.

So I need to go in so you can send your kid to summer camp?

The point flew right over your head.

It was just one example of one of the poverty alleviation programs that DC generously funds. I can afford to send my kid to sleepaway camp for $10K per summer, but cheap DPR programs are lifeline for working class families in DC. If these programs go away, those kids are out on the street all summer. Or one of their parents need to quit their job, thus the whole family falls behind financially.

If CRE is haircut by 50%, it's going to cause massive financial issues for nearly every urban core in America. That's why Biden is requiring RTO for Feds - it's leading by example.

So yeah, you're going to back to the office. I'm a Fed and in the office 4 days/week. It's happening in spite of union contracts. Every agency is going to exercise the option to formally re-open the CBA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I won't vote for Trump but will absolutely vote for the next Republican.

hahahaha, there will be zero wfh under trump and a very high likelihood your dept will be moved to rural alabama.

Yeah the idea that somehow Republicans are more WFH friendly than Biden is absolutely ludicrous. They HATE federal employees and want to do anything they can to make life more difficult for us.

[Anonymous]

If they can guarantee for us working parents that schools won't close down, or close contacts have to stay home, or need any proof of negative test results before returning to school after being sick, sure. But if we have to put up with that nonsense in any possible covid "surges", then no we can't RTO in any meaningful way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it is Biden’s commercial real estate donor class.

It's more than that. DC is going to face a massive property tax shortfall if office buildings get revalued downward by 50%. CRE pays property tax rates that are 2x of DC homeowners.

It will start a services cut-tax hike spiral on the remaining residents if CRE takes a big haircut. It will be Democratic-voting big cities that will face the brunt of these revenue shortfalls. Crime will go up, schools will get worse, poverty alleviation programs get eliminated, etc.

My kid is in DPR summer camp right now at our local park. It's an amazing program and costs me $150 for two weeks for 8am-6pm daily care + all food covered. It's safe, fun, and has a good curriculum of play + art + learning. It's dirt cheap and he has fun. If CRE gets revalued down by 50%, that summer camp option gets eliminated. Or it goes up in price so much that poor and MC DC families can't afford it.

So I need to go in so you can send your kid to summer camp?

The point flew right over your head.

It was just one example of one of the poverty alleviation programs that DC generously funds. I can afford to send my kid to sleepaway camp for $10K per summer, but cheap DPR programs are lifeline for working class families in DC. If these programs go away, those kids are out on the street all summer. Or one of their parents need to quit their job, thus the whole family falls behind financially.

If CRE is haircut by 50%, it's going to cause massive financial issues for nearly every urban core in America. That's why Biden is requiring RTO for Feds - it's leading by example.

So yeah, you're going to back to the office. I'm a Fed and in the office 4 days/week. It's happening in spite of union contracts. Every agency is going to exercise the option to formally re-open the CBA.

please put some actual numbers and evidence behind a) the amount of lost property tax and b) impact on DC budget.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this will be kicked to individual agencies with widely ranging results. We converted a bunch of jobs to “remote only” so those folks can’t come back (easily).

Disagree. Our remote agreements are only approved for one year only, not permanently. I'm at a large cabinet level agency and I think even remote workers would be surprised to know that.

They just sunseted remote work for all SES and SL.

My office just posted a fully remote position.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this will be kicked to individual agencies with widely ranging results. We converted a bunch of jobs to “remote only” so those folks can’t come back (easily).

Disagree. Our remote agreements are only approved for one year only, not permanently. I'm at a large cabinet level agency and I think even remote workers would be surprised to know that.

They just sunseted remote work for all SES and SL.

My office just posted a fully remote position.

Yeah I just saw one for DOJ. I think this is a lot of bluster. We were only in office 2 days/week pre-pandemic. I’m fine going back to that, but would have to significantly rearrange my and my family’s lives to go in more than that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it is Biden’s commercial real estate donor class.

It's more than that. DC is going to face a massive property tax shortfall if office buildings get revalued downward by 50%. CRE pays property tax rates that are 2x of DC homeowners.

It will start a services cut-tax hike spiral on the remaining residents if CRE takes a big haircut. It will be Democratic-voting big cities that will face the brunt of these revenue shortfalls. Crime will go up, schools will get worse, poverty alleviation programs get eliminated, etc.

My kid is in DPR summer camp right now at our local park. It's an amazing program and costs me $150 for two weeks for 8am-6pm daily care + all food covered. It's safe, fun, and has a good curriculum of play + art + learning. It's dirt cheap and he has fun. If CRE gets revalued down by 50%, that summer camp option gets eliminated. Or it goes up in price so much that poor and MC DC families can't afford it.

So I need to go in so you can send your kid to summer camp?

The point flew right over your head.

It was just one example of one of the poverty alleviation programs that DC generously funds. I can afford to send my kid to sleepaway camp for $10K per summer, but cheap DPR programs are lifeline for working class families in DC. If these programs go away, those kids are out on the street all summer. Or one of their parents need to quit their job, thus the whole family falls behind financially.

If CRE is haircut by 50%, it's going to cause massive financial issues for nearly every urban core in America. That's why Biden is requiring RTO for Feds - it's leading by example.

So yeah, you're going to back to the office. I'm a Fed and in the office 4 days/week. It's happening in spite of union contracts. Every agency is going to exercise the option to formally re-open the CBA.

please put some actual numbers and evidence behind a) the amount of lost property tax and b) impact on DC budget.

The federal government is not making this decision by committe where they need the buy-in of the employees who have a personal interest in not returning to the office--so no, no has to show the numbers to you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this will be kicked to individual agencies with widely ranging results. We converted a bunch of jobs to “remote only” so those folks can’t come back (easily).

Disagree. Our remote agreements are only approved for one year only, not permanently. I'm at a large cabinet level agency and I think even remote workers would be surprised to know that.

They just sunseted remote work for all SES and SL.

My office just posted a fully remote position.

Yeah I just saw one for DOJ. I think this is a lot of bluster. We were only in office 2 days/week pre-pandemic. I’m fine going back to that, but would have to significantly rearrange my and my family’s lives to go in more than that.

So just leave your job and someone else can do it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it is Biden’s commercial real estate donor class.

It's more than that. DC is going to face a massive property tax shortfall if office buildings get revalued downward by 50%. CRE pays property tax rates that are 2x of DC homeowners.

It will start a services cut-tax hike spiral on the remaining residents if CRE takes a big haircut. It will be Democratic-voting big cities that will face the brunt of these revenue shortfalls. Crime will go up, schools will get worse, poverty alleviation programs get eliminated, etc.

My kid is in DPR summer camp right now at our local park. It's an amazing program and costs me $150 for two weeks for 8am-6pm daily care + all food covered. It's safe, fun, and has a good curriculum of play + art + learning. It's dirt cheap and he has fun. If CRE gets revalued down by 50%, that summer camp option gets eliminated. Or it goes up in price so much that poor and MC DC families can't afford it.

So I need to go in so you can send your kid to summer camp?

The point flew right over your head.

It was just one example of one of the poverty alleviation programs that DC generously funds. I can afford to send my kid to sleepaway camp for $10K per summer, but cheap DPR programs are lifeline for working class families in DC. If these programs go away, those kids are out on the street all summer. Or one of their parents need to quit their job, thus the whole family falls behind financially.

If CRE is haircut by 50%, it's going to cause massive financial issues for nearly every urban core in America. That's why Biden is requiring RTO for Feds - it's leading by example.

So yeah, you're going to back to the office. I'm a Fed and in the office 4 days/week. It's happening in spite of union contracts. Every agency is going to exercise the option to formally re-open the CBA.

please put some actual numbers and evidence behind a) the amount of lost property tax and b) impact on DC budget.

The federal government is not making this decision by committe where they need the buy-in of the employees who have a personal interest in not returning to the office--so no, no has to show the numbers to you.

yes you do have to show us the numbers if you’re claiming that we’re killing DC if we don’t return.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If they can guarantee for us working parents that schools won't close down, or close contacts have to stay home, or need any proof of negative test results before returning to school after being sick, sure. But if we have to put up with that nonsense in any possible covid "surges", then no we can't RTO in any meaningful way.

You can, not "can't", you will just be inconvenienced; work isn't always convenient, you knew that before COVID and nothing has changed. I am sure you wouldn't like it if teachers worked from home as much as you do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they can guarantee for us working parents that schools won't close down, or close contacts have to stay home, or need any proof of negative test results before returning to school after being sick, sure. But if we have to put up with that nonsense in any possible covid "surges", then no we can't RTO in any meaningful way.

You can, not "can't", you will just be inconvenienced; work isn't always convenient, you knew that before COVID and nothing has changed. I am sure you wouldn't like it if teachers worked from home as much as you do.

good thing that we, like teachers, have unions and legal rights here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it is Biden’s commercial real estate donor class.

It's more than that. DC is going to face a massive property tax shortfall if office buildings get revalued downward by 50%. CRE pays property tax rates that are 2x of DC homeowners.

It will start a services cut-tax hike spiral on the remaining residents if CRE takes a big haircut. It will be Democratic-voting big cities that will face the brunt of these revenue shortfalls. Crime will go up, schools will get worse, poverty alleviation programs get eliminated, etc.

My kid is in DPR summer camp right now at our local park. It's an amazing program and costs me $150 for two weeks for 8am-6pm daily care + all food covered. It's safe, fun, and has a good curriculum of play + art + learning. It's dirt cheap and he has fun. If CRE gets revalued down by 50%, that summer camp option gets eliminated. Or it goes up in price so much that poor and MC DC families can't afford it.

So I need to go in so you can send your kid to summer camp?

The point flew right over your head.

It was just one example of one of the poverty alleviation programs that DC generously funds. I can afford to send my kid to sleepaway camp for $10K per summer, but cheap DPR programs are lifeline for working class families in DC. If these programs go away, those kids are out on the street all summer. Or one of their parents need to quit their job, thus the whole family falls behind financially.

If CRE is haircut by 50%, it's going to cause massive financial issues for nearly every urban core in America. That's why Biden is requiring RTO for Feds - it's leading by example.

So yeah, you're going to back to the office. I'm a Fed and in the office 4 days/week. It's happening in spite of union contracts. Every agency is going to exercise the option to formally re-open the CBA.

please put some actual numbers and evidence behind a) the amount of lost property tax and b) impact on DC budget.

The federal government is not making this decision by committe where they need the buy-in of the employees who have a personal interest in not returning to the office--so no, no has to show the numbers to you.

yes you do have to show us the numbers if you’re claiming that we’re killing DC if we don’t return.

No they don't need to show you anything. The fed govt doesn't actually have to have a reason anyway to bring us back, it can do so just because it wants to. If I were in charge I wouldn't even bother giving a reason because every reason is refuted with excuses it is a never ending cycle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they can guarantee for us working parents that schools won't close down, or close contacts have to stay home, or need any proof of negative test results before returning to school after being sick, sure. But if we have to put up with that nonsense in any possible covid "surges", then no we can't RTO in any meaningful way.

You can, not "can't", you will just be inconvenienced; work isn't always convenient, you knew that before COVID and nothing has changed. I am sure you wouldn't like it if teachers worked from home as much as you do.

good thing that we, like teachers, have unions and legal rights here.

You can express your legal rights happily when you go back to office in a few weeks