Why don’t advocates for the homeless build spacious housing for them 1-2 hours away from DC?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am from Western Maryland, and the Feds, Maryland, and the county have built prisons in the area to "rejuvenate it." It has the opposite as it has worsened already bad schools, housing, crime, and unsavoriness.

Placing homeless shelters in the area would have a similar effect -- not from families -- but from the homeless. If homeless advocates believe that many of the homeless are suffering form mental health issues, the least thing they need is to be dumped in an area with limited mental health and medical care, strained social welfare services, and exacerbate the petty crime problem.

My city is hanging on by its fingernails and another blow like this would put it under. Why foist the problems created by cities on rural areas?

For you, Hagerstown or Cumberland or wherever is home. For the OP, it's just "away" - the same "away" as in "throw away".

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I & my kids are going to go be “homeless” in Bethesda so that they can go to BCC or Whitman.

NP and that’s kind of a fantastic idea. If I live in a field in boundary for Mitch in DC for the month of June I could enroll my kid there. Anyone can pitch a tent anywhere they want on public land.

Ahhh. You guys have no idea.

Number one, you can’t just “go sign up for services.” You would get various appointments during which it would be very clear to the people assessing your need that you are full of sh*t and don’t need services. You would have to lie about so much that will be transparent.

It’s like you people think that it’s easy to live on the streets and obvious to accept services. It’s not that simple and there are a ton of complicating factors for people experiencing homelessness of all kinds. In any event, please do not waste the time and resources of a system that is already struggling to meet the needs of people with BS claims that you’re homeless so your kids can go to rich kid schools. It’s disgusting and not the funny joke you clearly thought it was.

People impoverish themselves all the time to take advantage of government services. In Arlington a large number of affordable elderly housing units are taken up by the parents of rich immigrants who impoverish their parents so that they can live at reduced costs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is plenty of cheap land to be had near the MD/PA border, in southern MD and near Prince William County. Build clean, safe, spacious housing for the homeless there & have them live there only. Bus them to & from DC.

They don’t have access to the services they need in rural and exurb areas.

Answered that already. Service providers would live onsite and provide services. Residents would be bused to population hubs frequently.

Why would a service provider want to live on-site? People who work in prisons don’t, and you’ve really just invented prison…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I & my kids are going to go be “homeless” in Bethesda so that they can go to BCC or Whitman.

NP and that’s kind of a fantastic idea. If I live in a field in boundary for Mitch in DC for the month of June I could enroll my kid there. Anyone can pitch a tent anywhere they want on public land.

Ahhh. You guys have no idea.

Number one, you can’t just “go sign up for services.” You would get various appointments during which it would be very clear to the people assessing your need that you are full of sh*t and don’t need services. You would have to lie about so much that will be transparent.

It’s like you people think that it’s easy to live on the streets and obvious to accept services. It’s not that simple and there are a ton of complicating factors for people experiencing homelessness of all kinds. In any event, please do not waste the time and resources of a system that is already struggling to meet the needs of people with BS claims that you’re homeless so your kids can go to rich kid schools. It’s disgusting and not the funny joke you clearly thought it was.

People impoverish themselves all the time to take advantage of government services. In Arlington a large number of affordable elderly housing units are taken up by the parents of rich immigrants who impoverish their parents so that they can live at reduced costs.

Please provide citations for these claims or I will assume you are making sh*t up.

That said, one of the main reasons that THE DC GOVT is not opening homeless concentration camps in rural VIRGINIA should be clear to almost anyone who thinks about it with any degree of critical thinking skill. DC provides services in DC. Should DC just not have any services because it is too expensive to be homeless in DC? Are you suggesting that DC should deport people who are otherwise citizens of DC (by virtue of receiving DC govt services) to another jurisdiction?

Basically, these are emotional arguments never adequately backed up by policy recommendations. You have no idea how to deal with jurisdiction issues or constitutional issues or effectiveness. I truly don’t understand why you think your opinion has any value.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is plenty of cheap land to be had near the MD/PA border, in southern MD and near Prince William County. Build clean, safe, spacious housing for the homeless there & have them live there only. Bus them to & from DC.

They don’t have access to the services they need in rural and exurb areas.

Answered that already. Service providers would live onsite and provide services. Residents would be bused to population hubs frequently.

Why would a service provider want to live on-site? People who work in prisons don’t, and you’ve really just invented prison…

I’m a social worker. I’ve worked in corrections. I would not work in the facility described by any of the posters who think this is a good idea. I think you’d get a lot of new grads who want the hazard pay for hard work. They will burn out and there will be zero stability in this facility. I don’t work in corrections anymore for a reason.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I & my kids are going to go be “homeless” in Bethesda so that they can go to BCC or Whitman.

NP and that’s kind of a fantastic idea. If I live in a field in boundary for Mitch in DC for the month of June I could enroll my kid there. Anyone can pitch a tent anywhere they want on public land.

Ahhh. You guys have no idea.

Number one, you can’t just “go sign up for services.” You would get various appointments during which it would be very clear to the people assessing your need that you are full of sh*t and don’t need services. You would have to lie about so much that will be transparent.

It’s like you people think that it’s easy to live on the streets and obvious to accept services. It’s not that simple and there are a ton of complicating factors for people experiencing homelessness of all kinds. In any event, please do not waste the time and resources of a system that is already struggling to meet the needs of people with BS claims that you’re homeless so your kids can go to rich kid schools. It’s disgusting and not the funny joke you clearly thought it was.

People impoverish themselves all the time to take advantage of government services. In Arlington a large number of affordable elderly housing units are taken up by the parents of rich immigrants who impoverish their parents so that they can live at reduced costs.

Please provide citations for these claims or I will assume you are making sh*t up.

That said, one of the main reasons that THE DC GOVT is not opening homeless concentration camps in rural VIRGINIA should be clear to almost anyone who thinks about it with any degree of critical thinking skill. DC provides services in DC. Should DC just not have any services because it is too expensive to be homeless in DC? Are you suggesting that DC should deport people who are otherwise citizens of DC (by virtue of receiving DC govt services) to another jurisdiction?

Basically, these are emotional arguments never adequately backed up by policy recommendations. You have no idea how to deal with jurisdiction issues or constitutional issues or effectiveness. I truly don’t understand why you think your opinion has any value.

NP but you are pretty naive if you don’t think people hide cash, change the ownership of a home, etc. to get governmental services. It’s actually quite a smart move.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So how would they find job/rehabilitation while they’re out there in the middle of nowhere?

Employees would live on-site & security would be strong. On-site medical & addiction services. Busing back and forth to DC for additional resources.

In your model they would live there indefinitely. Like a prison sentence.

Don’t care as long as they’re not on the streets scaring prospective net-taxpayers away.

No one cares if you “don’t care.” Who the hell are you again? Oh, right. Nobody.

NP and if someone called people who are homeless ‘nobodies’ on this thread you would rant and rave. However you feel just fine calling another poster a ‘nobody’.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Instead of forcing people to go, give them incentives to move to more affordable areas and provide them with jobs and healthcare there. Currently, advocates are giving homeless to stay here even though its neither working homeless nor taxpayers, criminal elements sure are benefiting or "non-profits" who depend on "advocacy" to make their own living and careers.

The “more affordable” areas are struggling enough—that’s why they’re affordable. They don’t want a bunch of homeless people dumped on them. Such areas are easy targets for schemes like this due to their lack of resources to fight back with, and are therefore very protective of themselves (not fans of outsiders, and insular).

[Anonymous]

What types of services are the homeless (the ones with mental health issues and drugs) currently getting? Are they really getting medical care? If so, how?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That would require MD or VA to pay for DC’s homeless so that won’t happen as the states have plenty of their own too. Also how are you going to force them to go there? Many are from the city and it’s home to them. Where will they get their hooch and drugs? I don’t think it’s as simple as shoving them away. There is a huge system that needs fixing so we don’t have so many homeless people.

The majority of DC homeless are not from DC. Like San Francisco, people from all up and down the east coast, including Marylanders and Virginians come to DC because the city pours so much money into poverty programs. DC taxpayers are taking care of other cities and states’ homeless populations. And now like Texas, California and Arizona, we are taking care of other countries’ homeless migrant population.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That would require MD or VA to pay for DC’s homeless so that won’t happen as the states have plenty of their own too. Also how are you going to force them to go there? Many are from the city and it’s home to them. Where will they get their hooch and drugs? I don’t think it’s as simple as shoving them away. There is a huge system that needs fixing so we don’t have so many homeless people.

The majority of DC homeless are not from DC. Like San Francisco, people from all up and down the east coast, including Marylanders and Virginians come to DC because the city pours so much money into poverty programs. DC taxpayers are taking care of other cities and states’ homeless populations. And now like Texas, California and Arizona, we are taking care of other countries’ homeless migrant population.

Exactly.

So why does it make sense for it to be a DC problem? Build a facility someplace affordable, and no, we're not talking about a "concentration camp" and provide housing, meals, healthcare, counseling and treatment there. They are free to move back to DC streets if they want but they won't receive services there. It's too damn expensive for DC to be the place to deal with so many of the nation's homeless problems from everywhere else around the nation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That would require MD or VA to pay for DC’s homeless so that won’t happen as the states have plenty of their own too. Also how are you going to force them to go there? Many are from the city and it’s home to them. Where will they get their hooch and drugs? I don’t think it’s as simple as shoving them away. There is a huge system that needs fixing so we don’t have so many homeless people.

The majority of DC homeless are not from DC. Like San Francisco, people from all up and down the east coast, including Marylanders and Virginians come to DC because the city pours so much money into poverty programs. DC taxpayers are taking care of other cities and states’ homeless populations. And now like Texas, California and Arizona, we are taking care of other countries’ homeless migrant population.

Exactly.

So why does it make sense for it to be a DC problem? Build a facility someplace affordable, and no, we're not talking about a "concentration camp" and provide housing, meals, healthcare, counseling and treatment there. They are free to move back to DC streets if they want but they won't receive services there. It's too damn expensive for DC to be the place to deal with so many of the nation's homeless problems from everywhere else around the nation.

Yes you are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That would require MD or VA to pay for DC’s homeless so that won’t happen as the states have plenty of their own too. Also how are you going to force them to go there? Many are from the city and it’s home to them. Where will they get their hooch and drugs? I don’t think it’s as simple as shoving them away. There is a huge system that needs fixing so we don’t have so many homeless people.

The majority of DC homeless are not from DC. Like San Francisco, people from all up and down the east coast, including Marylanders and Virginians come to DC because the city pours so much money into poverty programs. DC taxpayers are taking care of other cities and states’ homeless populations. And now like Texas, California and Arizona, we are taking care of other countries’ homeless migrant population.

Exactly.

So why does it make sense for it to be a DC problem? Build a facility someplace affordable, and no, we're not talking about a "concentration camp" and provide housing, meals, healthcare, counseling and treatment there. They are free to move back to DC streets if they want but they won't receive services there. It's too damn expensive for DC to be the place to deal with so many of the nation's homeless problems from everywhere else around the nation.

So what right does DC have to choose a random state to house all the homeless people it doesn't want? And what makes you think that majority of the homeless people from DC are not from DC? You can say the same thing about the non-homeless people in DC. Majority of you all are not from there. At the end of the day, most people who are homeless are because they can't afford housing; and last I checked DC housing and rental costs are insane compared to its neighboring states. I'm pretty sure these are people who lived in DC and could no longer afford to live in DC; thanks to gentrification.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That would require MD or VA to pay for DC’s homeless so that won’t happen as the states have plenty of their own too. Also how are you going to force them to go there? Many are from the city and it’s home to them. Where will they get their hooch and drugs? I don’t think it’s as simple as shoving them away. There is a huge system that needs fixing so we don’t have so many homeless people.

The majority of DC homeless are not from DC. Like San Francisco, people from all up and down the east coast, including Marylanders and Virginians come to DC because the city pours so much money into poverty programs. DC taxpayers are taking care of other cities and states’ homeless populations. And now like Texas, California and Arizona, we are taking care of other countries’ homeless migrant population.

Exactly.

So why does it make sense for it to be a DC problem? Build a facility someplace affordable, and no, we're not talking about a "concentration camp" and provide housing, meals, healthcare, counseling and treatment there. They are free to move back to DC streets if they want but they won't receive services there. It's too damn expensive for DC to be the place to deal with so many of the nation's homeless problems from everywhere else around the nation.

Yes you are.

You keep insisting this because your mind is incapable of coming up with any number of viable options that aren't concentration camps. That's your problem, not mine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That would require MD or VA to pay for DC’s homeless so that won’t happen as the states have plenty of their own too. Also how are you going to force them to go there? Many are from the city and it’s home to them. Where will they get their hooch and drugs? I don’t think it’s as simple as shoving them away. There is a huge system that needs fixing so we don’t have so many homeless people.

The majority of DC homeless are not from DC. Like San Francisco, people from all up and down the east coast, including Marylanders and Virginians come to DC because the city pours so much money into poverty programs. DC taxpayers are taking care of other cities and states’ homeless populations. And now like Texas, California and Arizona, we are taking care of other countries’ homeless migrant population.

Exactly.

So why does it make sense for it to be a DC problem? Build a facility someplace affordable, and no, we're not talking about a "concentration camp" and provide housing, meals, healthcare, counseling and treatment there. They are free to move back to DC streets if they want but they won't receive services there. It's too damn expensive for DC to be the place to deal with so many of the nation's homeless problems from everywhere else around the nation.

Yes you are.

You keep insisting this because your mind is incapable of coming up with any number of viable options that aren't concentration camps. That's your problem, not mine.

They're viable options, apart from

1. people won't voluntarily go to them
2. people won't voluntarily staff them