Anonymous wrote:So, what is the true advantage if the kids are going to the same colleges? The ones on the slower math track are able to catch up with functions but kids who start algebra in 6th are already on that track so how does functions make sense for them for help?
By ensuring they get advanced a year at one of the wealthy schools that allow it, they are exposed to more math which results in higher MAP scores. This in turn increases their chances of selection for the HS magnet. It's just one of the many ways the more affluent schools confer advantages on the more affluent residents and help rig admissions in their favor.
Ha ha! THere is nothing MCPS would want more than to teach advanced level Math to every student. Except from kindergarten onwards the students are unable to understand and grasp even basic level Math and the gap keeps on increasing. Why? Because, the parents who have poor Math skills are never able to reinforce Math concepts to their kids even at elementary levels. The kids in “rich” schools have educated parents, and especially their mothers are very well educated. How do you expect MCPs to replicate the parents?
Kids doing poorly in school do not want more Math. They would be happy to do away with Math. We should teach the adults Math first if we want them to be able to help their kids. Most of the adults I have seen who are parents of struggle students are functionally illiterate or they do not care about the education of their kids enough to put in time and effort themselves to teach them.
If the parents can’t help their kids with Math (which is fine), MCPS had ubiquitous and extensive FREE tutoring programs available to families.
Anonymous wrote:So, what is the true advantage if the kids are going to the same colleges? The ones on the slower math track are able to catch up with functions but kids who start algebra in 6th are already on that track so how does functions make sense for them for help?
By ensuring they get advanced a year at one of the wealthy schools that allow it, they are exposed to more math which results in higher MAP scores. This in turn increases their chances of selection for the HS magnet. It's just one of the many ways the more affluent schools confer advantages on the more affluent residents and help rig admissions in their favor.
Wealthy people are always looking for an angle to maintain and enhance their privilege.
Anonymous wrote:Yes. I think for our children magnets were absolutely worth it for college admissions.
The pathway for both of my kids -> PHS SMCS -> UMD. We are Asian-American first gen immigrants. Our kids chose STEM careers. Both had perfect stats in GPA and SAT, NMS, ECs, Internships and research papers etc. We knew that they would not get into top private schools based on the fact that many of their peers in PHS look and achieve like them.
Apart from that, they also did not apply extensively. They applied to 6 schools in all. Since UMD was in-state and great for CS, Physics and Math (both did double majors, both had Math in common), that was their lowest bar in terms of where they wanted to apply. This did not leave very many colleges for them that were ranked higher for these majors. This is not a drawback but a boon. Imagine having a college like UMD as your safety. To be honest, UMD was very much their dream school, target and safety all rolled in one.
Having done STEM research internships during PHS (It is a SMCS requirement) and having written a paper based on that - they also found it easy to get future internships @ UMD right from the get go. Having been through the rigor, pace, and curriculum of SMCS and having so many AP and post-AP credits transfer, allowed them to juggle two hard majors, internships, and socializing in college with ease. They watched many of their college classmates - either do very poorly in hard courses or study very hard to stay afloat or do well but without any outside interests. In other words, the training and exposure they got at PHS made college seem easy.
The kind of professional training that the SMCS teaches these students in terms of advocating for oneself, building a network of peers, acquiring skill sets, acquiring credentials, creating and seeking opportunities, time management and organization is invaluable for college and professional life. They also were hugely networked at UMD with other area students from DMV because they had either competed with them in other arenas or had crossed paths with them.
Last, but not the least - since they are already in-state in a public university and the cost is already low. Therefore, even a small merit aid usually covers a significant amount of tuition if not all. This merit $$$ was like a payday for the work that they did in magnet HS.
For us, magnet STEM schools was worth it for succeeding in college and professional life. It made the college admission process easy too.
Of course, I don't mean to be glib and say that it was all easy. To be in the magnet track meant that my kids were performing academically at very high levels from ES. They were acing all kinds of tests that was being administered by MCPS- Raven, TerraNova, MAPS - and tests like JHU-CTY outside of school.
They were consistent from K-12, and also worked hard to have a well rounded resume - ECs, volunteer work, competitions, honor societies, internships, research papers, no discipline issues, consistent performance, no absenteeism, juggling leadership responsibilities, self advocating etc.
This is my child's experience as well. Finishing up SMACs now with a UMd presidential scholarship and direct admit to CS. Will now be paying very low tuition for a top-ranked CS school.
I'd say the magnet helped a lot with UMd admissions. I am not sure helped elsewhere but will never know. I am sure my child does not stand out as much as they would at home HS. Also I do not think the school profile that gets sent to colleges does the magnet students any favors.
If you don’t mind, Could you elaborate on this further?
Sure. Still in the middle of college admissions since I have a current senior. I assume you are wondering about the shool profile comment. My understanding is that without a school ranking, some colleges will try to guess based on the GPA bands. For Poolesville, the top bands are 78% for unweighted GPA and 58% for weighted. So after 4 years of hard work and taking all the hardest math classes (functions etc), my 4.0 UW 4.7W GPA kid only appears to be in the top 58% of their class. UMd will understand this, but other schools may not.
Different poster. This might as well have been in a different language. What do you mean by “GPA bands”? Can you explain to me like I’m an idiot?
+1 Isn't it true that most T20 colleges tear apart the GPA calculation anyways, and re-calculate based on their own scale. But, I don't know what they might do with the SMCS's specialty classes like, Analysis 2, Quantum Physics, Organic Chemistry, etc.?? Do those get weighted more in the re-calculation??
I don't think they do. Also, some of the SMACs classes are not even listed properly on the transcripts.
They were on ours at least when we got a copy of it last year.
Well i thought so too at first. Example of this would be the SMACS 9th grade computer class listed on transcript as "Foundations of Computer Science". Unless someone is familiar with SMACS they would not not know that this is actually also AP Computer Science.
Magnet CS 9 is noted as Advanced Level class and part of a Special Program. Although there are a few honors classes that get this designation, it's mostly reserved for APs.
0.5 credit per semester
Functions begun in Algebra 1 are continued and expanded to include all forms of algebraic, exponential, logarithmic, and circular functions. The study of each includes a precise definition, a consideration of graphs and applications, an analysis of distinguishing and interesting features, and an identification of related tangents and slopes. Students study trigonometry, approached from circular functions, conics, limits, and derivatives.
Prerequisite: Magnet or Honors Geometry
Grade Level: 9 - 10 - 11 - 12
No repeats for credit
It’s algebra 2 and precalculus in a very condensed fast paced schedule.
That sounds like a bad idea. Better just to start algebra in 6th.
You should meet with Peter Ostrander at he Blair magnet. I am sure he would be very interested in your opinion.
I emailed the magnet folks and they did not return my email. So, we declined.
You emailed them what?
To discuss the math and other options.
I have heard the math is a Sh#t show at Blair and one really bad teacher.
But, back to the topic - is it worth it? Didn't seem worth it to us. You don't have any scheduling flexibility, math wouldn't be accelerated for my chid who is already accelerated and they'd have to take magnet classes they aren't interested in. Why rush Algebra 2 and Pre-Cal when they are important for progression?
The Blair program is the most accelerated available. Why would you think it’s not accelerated for your kid?!
My child takes Pre-Cal in 9th grade regardless of the school they are at.
Anonymous wrote:Yes. I think for our children magnets were absolutely worth it for college admissions.
The pathway for both of my kids -> PHS SMCS -> UMD. We are Asian-American first gen immigrants. Our kids chose STEM careers. Both had perfect stats in GPA and SAT, NMS, ECs, Internships and research papers etc. We knew that they would not get into top private schools based on the fact that many of their peers in PHS look and achieve like them.
Apart from that, they also did not apply extensively. They applied to 6 schools in all. Since UMD was in-state and great for CS, Physics and Math (both did double majors, both had Math in common), that was their lowest bar in terms of where they wanted to apply. This did not leave very many colleges for them that were ranked higher for these majors. This is not a drawback but a boon. Imagine having a college like UMD as your safety. To be honest, UMD was very much their dream school, target and safety all rolled in one.
Having done STEM research internships during PHS (It is a SMCS requirement) and having written a paper based on that - they also found it easy to get future internships @ UMD right from the get go. Having been through the rigor, pace, and curriculum of SMCS and having so many AP and post-AP credits transfer, allowed them to juggle two hard majors, internships, and socializing in college with ease. They watched many of their college classmates - either do very poorly in hard courses or study very hard to stay afloat or do well but without any outside interests. In other words, the training and exposure they got at PHS made college seem easy.
The kind of professional training that the SMCS teaches these students in terms of advocating for oneself, building a network of peers, acquiring skill sets, acquiring credentials, creating and seeking opportunities, time management and organization is invaluable for college and professional life. They also were hugely networked at UMD with other area students from DMV because they had either competed with them in other arenas or had crossed paths with them.
Last, but not the least - since they are already in-state in a public university and the cost is already low. Therefore, even a small merit aid usually covers a significant amount of tuition if not all. This merit $$$ was like a payday for the work that they did in magnet HS.
For us, magnet STEM schools was worth it for succeeding in college and professional life. It made the college admission process easy too.
Of course, I don't mean to be glib and say that it was all easy. To be in the magnet track meant that my kids were performing academically at very high levels from ES. They were acing all kinds of tests that was being administered by MCPS- Raven, TerraNova, MAPS - and tests like JHU-CTY outside of school.
They were consistent from K-12, and also worked hard to have a well rounded resume - ECs, volunteer work, competitions, honor societies, internships, research papers, no discipline issues, consistent performance, no absenteeism, juggling leadership responsibilities, self advocating etc.
This is my child's experience as well. Finishing up SMACs now with a UMd presidential scholarship and direct admit to CS. Will now be paying very low tuition for a top-ranked CS school.
I'd say the magnet helped a lot with UMd admissions. I am not sure helped elsewhere but will never know. I am sure my child does not stand out as much as they would at home HS. Also I do not think the school profile that gets sent to colleges does the magnet students any favors.
If you don’t mind, Could you elaborate on this further?
Sure. Still in the middle of college admissions since I have a current senior. I assume you are wondering about the shool profile comment. My understanding is that without a school ranking, some colleges will try to guess based on the GPA bands. For Poolesville, the top bands are 78% for unweighted GPA and 58% for weighted. So after 4 years of hard work and taking all the hardest math classes (functions etc), my 4.0 UW 4.7W GPA kid only appears to be in the top 58% of their class. UMd will understand this, but other schools may not.
Different poster. This might as well have been in a different language. What do you mean by “GPA bands”? Can you explain to me like I’m an idiot?
+1 Isn't it true that most T20 colleges tear apart the GPA calculation anyways, and re-calculate based on their own scale. But, I don't know what they might do with the SMCS's specialty classes like, Analysis 2, Quantum Physics, Organic Chemistry, etc.?? Do those get weighted more in the re-calculation??
I don't think they do. Also, some of the SMACs classes are not even listed properly on the transcripts.
They were on ours at least when we got a copy of it last year.
Well i thought so too at first. Example of this would be the SMACS 9th grade computer class listed on transcript as "Foundations of Computer Science". Unless someone is familiar with SMACS they would not not know that this is actually also AP Computer Science.
Magnet CS 9 is noted as Advanced Level class and part of a Special Program. Although there are a few honors classes that get this designation, it's mostly reserved for APs.
0.5 credit per semester
Functions begun in Algebra 1 are continued and expanded to include all forms of algebraic, exponential, logarithmic, and circular functions. The study of each includes a precise definition, a consideration of graphs and applications, an analysis of distinguishing and interesting features, and an identification of related tangents and slopes. Students study trigonometry, approached from circular functions, conics, limits, and derivatives.
Prerequisite: Magnet or Honors Geometry
Grade Level: 9 - 10 - 11 - 12
No repeats for credit
It’s algebra 2 and precalculus in a very condensed fast paced schedule.
That sounds like a bad idea. Better just to start algebra in 6th.
That's only happens if you in boundary of a wealthy Potomac ES.
Strange you say that as that’s not true and we are the opposite of Potomac.
I know at Frost any 6th grader with a map score over 250 is allowed to take Algebra in 6th but it's in Potomac.
At TPMS they require students to have completed AIM before taking Algebra so only the Potomac kids whose ES offers AIM in 5th have this option.
The inconsistency is crazy. My kid had a 250 in the spring of 3rd grade but was never allowed this. At Blair and Poolesville, the kids all end up in the same class anyway. I know many HS have advanced math courses but what is available at Blair and Poolesville is top-notch. Can't speak to teachers at Blair, but Poolesville was great.
The same. The kid scored 250 in 3rd, 275 in 5th, and 290 in 6th but since we were in the DCC couldn't take Algebra until 7th. I even asked about it when they were complaining about compacted and the school admin said it wasn't permitted.
Some DCC schools allow Algebra in 6th. MCCPTA came out with a list of schools that allow it.
I've heard that but nobody was ever able to name one that did this so think that's just a myth.
Well, one DCC school that does is TPMS because they allow Algebra in 6th for the kids from the wealthy Potomac schools that get AIM in ES, but kids from the DCC aren't so lucky.
You clearly don't know since you don't have DCC kids.
And, my kid skipped AIM.
Yes, if you attend a wealthy Potomac school, like Frost, you can skip AIM with a high enough MAP score.
Oh honey, we aren't at a wealthy school. We are at a school you'd never send your kids to.
Anonymous wrote:So, what is the true advantage if the kids are going to the same colleges? The ones on the slower math track are able to catch up with functions but kids who start algebra in 6th are already on that track so how does functions make sense for them for help?
By ensuring they get advanced a year at one of the wealthy schools that allow it, they are exposed to more math which results in higher MAP scores. This in turn increases their chances of selection for the HS magnet. It's just one of the many ways the more affluent schools confer advantages on the more affluent residents and help rig admissions in their favor.
Wealthy people are always looking for an angle to maintain and enhance their privilege.
Not sure if it's that....I think its that a lot of wealthy people just think their kids are special.
Anonymous wrote:Yes. I think for our children magnets were absolutely worth it for college admissions.
The pathway for both of my kids -> PHS SMCS -> UMD. We are Asian-American first gen immigrants. Our kids chose STEM careers. Both had perfect stats in GPA and SAT, NMS, ECs, Internships and research papers etc. We knew that they would not get into top private schools based on the fact that many of their peers in PHS look and achieve like them.
Apart from that, they also did not apply extensively. They applied to 6 schools in all. Since UMD was in-state and great for CS, Physics and Math (both did double majors, both had Math in common), that was their lowest bar in terms of where they wanted to apply. This did not leave very many colleges for them that were ranked higher for these majors. This is not a drawback but a boon. Imagine having a college like UMD as your safety. To be honest, UMD was very much their dream school, target and safety all rolled in one.
Having done STEM research internships during PHS (It is a SMCS requirement) and having written a paper based on that - they also found it easy to get future internships @ UMD right from the get go. Having been through the rigor, pace, and curriculum of SMCS and having so many AP and post-AP credits transfer, allowed them to juggle two hard majors, internships, and socializing in college with ease. They watched many of their college classmates - either do very poorly in hard courses or study very hard to stay afloat or do well but without any outside interests. In other words, the training and exposure they got at PHS made college seem easy.
The kind of professional training that the SMCS teaches these students in terms of advocating for oneself, building a network of peers, acquiring skill sets, acquiring credentials, creating and seeking opportunities, time management and organization is invaluable for college and professional life. They also were hugely networked at UMD with other area students from DMV because they had either competed with them in other arenas or had crossed paths with them.
Last, but not the least - since they are already in-state in a public university and the cost is already low. Therefore, even a small merit aid usually covers a significant amount of tuition if not all. This merit $$$ was like a payday for the work that they did in magnet HS.
For us, magnet STEM schools was worth it for succeeding in college and professional life. It made the college admission process easy too.
Of course, I don't mean to be glib and say that it was all easy. To be in the magnet track meant that my kids were performing academically at very high levels from ES. They were acing all kinds of tests that was being administered by MCPS- Raven, TerraNova, MAPS - and tests like JHU-CTY outside of school.
They were consistent from K-12, and also worked hard to have a well rounded resume - ECs, volunteer work, competitions, honor societies, internships, research papers, no discipline issues, consistent performance, no absenteeism, juggling leadership responsibilities, self advocating etc.
This is my child's experience as well. Finishing up SMACs now with a UMd presidential scholarship and direct admit to CS. Will now be paying very low tuition for a top-ranked CS school.
I'd say the magnet helped a lot with UMd admissions. I am not sure helped elsewhere but will never know. I am sure my child does not stand out as much as they would at home HS. Also I do not think the school profile that gets sent to colleges does the magnet students any favors.
If you don’t mind, Could you elaborate on this further?
Sure. Still in the middle of college admissions since I have a current senior. I assume you are wondering about the shool profile comment. My understanding is that without a school ranking, some colleges will try to guess based on the GPA bands. For Poolesville, the top bands are 78% for unweighted GPA and 58% for weighted. So after 4 years of hard work and taking all the hardest math classes (functions etc), my 4.0 UW 4.7W GPA kid only appears to be in the top 58% of their class. UMd will understand this, but other schools may not.
Different poster. This might as well have been in a different language. What do you mean by “GPA bands”? Can you explain to me like I’m an idiot?
+1 Isn't it true that most T20 colleges tear apart the GPA calculation anyways, and re-calculate based on their own scale. But, I don't know what they might do with the SMCS's specialty classes like, Analysis 2, Quantum Physics, Organic Chemistry, etc.?? Do those get weighted more in the re-calculation??
I don't think they do. Also, some of the SMACs classes are not even listed properly on the transcripts.
They were on ours at least when we got a copy of it last year.
Well i thought so too at first. Example of this would be the SMACS 9th grade computer class listed on transcript as "Foundations of Computer Science". Unless someone is familiar with SMACS they would not not know that this is actually also AP Computer Science.
Magnet CS 9 is noted as Advanced Level class and part of a Special Program. Although there are a few honors classes that get this designation, it's mostly reserved for APs.
0.5 credit per semester
Functions begun in Algebra 1 are continued and expanded to include all forms of algebraic, exponential, logarithmic, and circular functions. The study of each includes a precise definition, a consideration of graphs and applications, an analysis of distinguishing and interesting features, and an identification of related tangents and slopes. Students study trigonometry, approached from circular functions, conics, limits, and derivatives.
Prerequisite: Magnet or Honors Geometry
Grade Level: 9 - 10 - 11 - 12
No repeats for credit
It’s algebra 2 and precalculus in a very condensed fast paced schedule.
That sounds like a bad idea. Better just to start algebra in 6th.
You should meet with Peter Ostrander at he Blair magnet. I am sure he would be very interested in your opinion.
I emailed the magnet folks and they did not return my email. So, we declined.
You emailed them what?
To discuss the math and other options.
I have heard the math is a Sh#t show at Blair and one really bad teacher.
But, back to the topic - is it worth it? Didn't seem worth it to us. You don't have any scheduling flexibility, math wouldn't be accelerated for my chid who is already accelerated and they'd have to take magnet classes they aren't interested in. Why rush Algebra 2 and Pre-Cal when they are important for progression?
The Blair program is the most accelerated available. Why would you think it’s not accelerated for your kid?!
They don't. It's just a troll with a bad case of Blair envy.
We didn't want Blair and wanted another DCC school. Blair is fine but they didn't have the classes via the Magnet my child wanted so it was pointless to send them. Math would be the same no matter what school. My child doesn't need functions.
Anonymous wrote:Yes. I think for our children magnets were absolutely worth it for college admissions.
The pathway for both of my kids -> PHS SMCS -> UMD. We are Asian-American first gen immigrants. Our kids chose STEM careers. Both had perfect stats in GPA and SAT, NMS, ECs, Internships and research papers etc. We knew that they would not get into top private schools based on the fact that many of their peers in PHS look and achieve like them.
Apart from that, they also did not apply extensively. They applied to 6 schools in all. Since UMD was in-state and great for CS, Physics and Math (both did double majors, both had Math in common), that was their lowest bar in terms of where they wanted to apply. This did not leave very many colleges for them that were ranked higher for these majors. This is not a drawback but a boon. Imagine having a college like UMD as your safety. To be honest, UMD was very much their dream school, target and safety all rolled in one.
Having done STEM research internships during PHS (It is a SMCS requirement) and having written a paper based on that - they also found it easy to get future internships @ UMD right from the get go. Having been through the rigor, pace, and curriculum of SMCS and having so many AP and post-AP credits transfer, allowed them to juggle two hard majors, internships, and socializing in college with ease. They watched many of their college classmates - either do very poorly in hard courses or study very hard to stay afloat or do well but without any outside interests. In other words, the training and exposure they got at PHS made college seem easy.
The kind of professional training that the SMCS teaches these students in terms of advocating for oneself, building a network of peers, acquiring skill sets, acquiring credentials, creating and seeking opportunities, time management and organization is invaluable for college and professional life. They also were hugely networked at UMD with other area students from DMV because they had either competed with them in other arenas or had crossed paths with them.
Last, but not the least - since they are already in-state in a public university and the cost is already low. Therefore, even a small merit aid usually covers a significant amount of tuition if not all. This merit $$$ was like a payday for the work that they did in magnet HS.
For us, magnet STEM schools was worth it for succeeding in college and professional life. It made the college admission process easy too.
Of course, I don't mean to be glib and say that it was all easy. To be in the magnet track meant that my kids were performing academically at very high levels from ES. They were acing all kinds of tests that was being administered by MCPS- Raven, TerraNova, MAPS - and tests like JHU-CTY outside of school.
They were consistent from K-12, and also worked hard to have a well rounded resume - ECs, volunteer work, competitions, honor societies, internships, research papers, no discipline issues, consistent performance, no absenteeism, juggling leadership responsibilities, self advocating etc.
This is my child's experience as well. Finishing up SMACs now with a UMd presidential scholarship and direct admit to CS. Will now be paying very low tuition for a top-ranked CS school.
I'd say the magnet helped a lot with UMd admissions. I am not sure helped elsewhere but will never know. I am sure my child does not stand out as much as they would at home HS. Also I do not think the school profile that gets sent to colleges does the magnet students any favors.
If you don’t mind, Could you elaborate on this further?
Sure. Still in the middle of college admissions since I have a current senior. I assume you are wondering about the shool profile comment. My understanding is that without a school ranking, some colleges will try to guess based on the GPA bands. For Poolesville, the top bands are 78% for unweighted GPA and 58% for weighted. So after 4 years of hard work and taking all the hardest math classes (functions etc), my 4.0 UW 4.7W GPA kid only appears to be in the top 58% of their class. UMd will understand this, but other schools may not.
Different poster. This might as well have been in a different language. What do you mean by “GPA bands”? Can you explain to me like I’m an idiot?
+1 Isn't it true that most T20 colleges tear apart the GPA calculation anyways, and re-calculate based on their own scale. But, I don't know what they might do with the SMCS's specialty classes like, Analysis 2, Quantum Physics, Organic Chemistry, etc.?? Do those get weighted more in the re-calculation??
I don't think they do. Also, some of the SMACs classes are not even listed properly on the transcripts.
They were on ours at least when we got a copy of it last year.
Well i thought so too at first. Example of this would be the SMACS 9th grade computer class listed on transcript as "Foundations of Computer Science". Unless someone is familiar with SMACS they would not not know that this is actually also AP Computer Science.
Magnet CS 9 is noted as Advanced Level class and part of a Special Program. Although there are a few honors classes that get this designation, it's mostly reserved for APs.
0.5 credit per semester
Functions begun in Algebra 1 are continued and expanded to include all forms of algebraic, exponential, logarithmic, and circular functions. The study of each includes a precise definition, a consideration of graphs and applications, an analysis of distinguishing and interesting features, and an identification of related tangents and slopes. Students study trigonometry, approached from circular functions, conics, limits, and derivatives.
Prerequisite: Magnet or Honors Geometry
Grade Level: 9 - 10 - 11 - 12
No repeats for credit
It’s algebra 2 and precalculus in a very condensed fast paced schedule.
That sounds like a bad idea. Better just to start algebra in 6th.
That's only happens if you in boundary of a wealthy Potomac ES.
Strange you say that as that’s not true and we are the opposite of Potomac.
I know at Frost any 6th grader with a map score over 250 is allowed to take Algebra in 6th but it's in Potomac.
At TPMS they require students to have completed AIM before taking Algebra so only the Potomac kids whose ES offers AIM in 5th have this option.
The inconsistency is crazy. My kid had a 250 in the spring of 3rd grade but was never allowed this. At Blair and Poolesville, the kids all end up in the same class anyway. I know many HS have advanced math courses but what is available at Blair and Poolesville is top-notch. Can't speak to teachers at Blair, but Poolesville was great.
The same. The kid scored 250 in 3rd, 275 in 5th, and 290 in 6th but since we were in the DCC couldn't take Algebra until 7th. I even asked about it when they were complaining about compacted and the school admin said it wasn't permitted.
Some DCC schools allow Algebra in 6th. MCCPTA came out with a list of schools that allow it.
I've heard that but nobody was ever able to name one that did this so think that's just a myth.
Well, one DCC school that does is TPMS because they allow Algebra in 6th for the kids from the wealthy Potomac schools that get AIM in ES, but kids from the DCC aren't so lucky.
You clearly don't know since you don't have DCC kids.
And, my kid skipped AIM.
Yes, if you attend a wealthy Potomac school, like Frost, you can skip AIM with a high enough MAP score.
Oh honey, we aren't at a wealthy school. We are at a school you'd never send your kids to.
Why are you speaking in code? Spit it out girl. Cut the honey bs.
Anonymous wrote:Yes. I think for our children magnets were absolutely worth it for college admissions.
The pathway for both of my kids -> PHS SMCS -> UMD. We are Asian-American first gen immigrants. Our kids chose STEM careers. Both had perfect stats in GPA and SAT, NMS, ECs, Internships and research papers etc. We knew that they would not get into top private schools based on the fact that many of their peers in PHS look and achieve like them.
Apart from that, they also did not apply extensively. They applied to 6 schools in all. Since UMD was in-state and great for CS, Physics and Math (both did double majors, both had Math in common), that was their lowest bar in terms of where they wanted to apply. This did not leave very many colleges for them that were ranked higher for these majors. This is not a drawback but a boon. Imagine having a college like UMD as your safety. To be honest, UMD was very much their dream school, target and safety all rolled in one.
Having done STEM research internships during PHS (It is a SMCS requirement) and having written a paper based on that - they also found it easy to get future internships @ UMD right from the get go. Having been through the rigor, pace, and curriculum of SMCS and having so many AP and post-AP credits transfer, allowed them to juggle two hard majors, internships, and socializing in college with ease. They watched many of their college classmates - either do very poorly in hard courses or study very hard to stay afloat or do well but without any outside interests. In other words, the training and exposure they got at PHS made college seem easy.
The kind of professional training that the SMCS teaches these students in terms of advocating for oneself, building a network of peers, acquiring skill sets, acquiring credentials, creating and seeking opportunities, time management and organization is invaluable for college and professional life. They also were hugely networked at UMD with other area students from DMV because they had either competed with them in other arenas or had crossed paths with them.
Last, but not the least - since they are already in-state in a public university and the cost is already low. Therefore, even a small merit aid usually covers a significant amount of tuition if not all. This merit $$$ was like a payday for the work that they did in magnet HS.
For us, magnet STEM schools was worth it for succeeding in college and professional life. It made the college admission process easy too.
Of course, I don't mean to be glib and say that it was all easy. To be in the magnet track meant that my kids were performing academically at very high levels from ES. They were acing all kinds of tests that was being administered by MCPS- Raven, TerraNova, MAPS - and tests like JHU-CTY outside of school.
They were consistent from K-12, and also worked hard to have a well rounded resume - ECs, volunteer work, competitions, honor societies, internships, research papers, no discipline issues, consistent performance, no absenteeism, juggling leadership responsibilities, self advocating etc.
This is my child's experience as well. Finishing up SMACs now with a UMd presidential scholarship and direct admit to CS. Will now be paying very low tuition for a top-ranked CS school.
I'd say the magnet helped a lot with UMd admissions. I am not sure helped elsewhere but will never know. I am sure my child does not stand out as much as they would at home HS. Also I do not think the school profile that gets sent to colleges does the magnet students any favors.
If you don’t mind, Could you elaborate on this further?
Sure. Still in the middle of college admissions since I have a current senior. I assume you are wondering about the shool profile comment. My understanding is that without a school ranking, some colleges will try to guess based on the GPA bands. For Poolesville, the top bands are 78% for unweighted GPA and 58% for weighted. So after 4 years of hard work and taking all the hardest math classes (functions etc), my 4.0 UW 4.7W GPA kid only appears to be in the top 58% of their class. UMd will understand this, but other schools may not.
Different poster. This might as well have been in a different language. What do you mean by “GPA bands”? Can you explain to me like I’m an idiot?
+1 Isn't it true that most T20 colleges tear apart the GPA calculation anyways, and re-calculate based on their own scale. But, I don't know what they might do with the SMCS's specialty classes like, Analysis 2, Quantum Physics, Organic Chemistry, etc.?? Do those get weighted more in the re-calculation??
I don't think they do. Also, some of the SMACs classes are not even listed properly on the transcripts.
They were on ours at least when we got a copy of it last year.
Well i thought so too at first. Example of this would be the SMACS 9th grade computer class listed on transcript as "Foundations of Computer Science". Unless someone is familiar with SMACS they would not not know that this is actually also AP Computer Science.
Magnet CS 9 is noted as Advanced Level class and part of a Special Program. Although there are a few honors classes that get this designation, it's mostly reserved for APs.
0.5 credit per semester
Functions begun in Algebra 1 are continued and expanded to include all forms of algebraic, exponential, logarithmic, and circular functions. The study of each includes a precise definition, a consideration of graphs and applications, an analysis of distinguishing and interesting features, and an identification of related tangents and slopes. Students study trigonometry, approached from circular functions, conics, limits, and derivatives.
Prerequisite: Magnet or Honors Geometry
Grade Level: 9 - 10 - 11 - 12
No repeats for credit
It’s algebra 2 and precalculus in a very condensed fast paced schedule.
That sounds like a bad idea. Better just to start algebra in 6th.
That's only happens if you in boundary of a wealthy Potomac ES.
Strange you say that as that’s not true and we are the opposite of Potomac.
I know at Frost any 6th grader with a map score over 250 is allowed to take Algebra in 6th but it's in Potomac.
At TPMS they require students to have completed AIM before taking Algebra so only the Potomac kids whose ES offers AIM in 5th have this option.
The inconsistency is crazy. My kid had a 250 in the spring of 3rd grade but was never allowed this. At Blair and Poolesville, the kids all end up in the same class anyway. I know many HS have advanced math courses but what is available at Blair and Poolesville is top-notch. Can't speak to teachers at Blair, but Poolesville was great.
The same. The kid scored 250 in 3rd, 275 in 5th, and 290 in 6th but since we were in the DCC couldn't take Algebra until 7th. I even asked about it when they were complaining about compacted and the school admin said it wasn't permitted.
Some DCC schools allow Algebra in 6th. MCCPTA came out with a list of schools that allow it.
I've heard that but nobody was ever able to name one that did this so think that's just a myth.
Well, one DCC school that does is TPMS because they allow Algebra in 6th for the kids from the wealthy Potomac schools that get AIM in ES, but kids from the DCC aren't so lucky.
You clearly don't know since you don't have DCC kids.
And, my kid skipped AIM.
Yes, if you attend a wealthy Potomac school, like Frost, you can skip AIM with a high enough MAP score.
Oh honey, we aren't at a wealthy school. We are at a school you'd never send your kids to.
Why are you speaking in code? Spit it out girl. Cut the honey bs.
It's been discussed many times. MCCPTA on facebook published a spreadsheet. Get off DCUM and do your homework but it really doesn't matter as if your school doesn't offer it and you aren't willing to move or send your kid to a non-W school then you lose out.
What is surprising is that Blair takes kids who haven't done Algebra 2 over kids who have.
Anonymous wrote:Yes. I think for our children magnets were absolutely worth it for college admissions.
The pathway for both of my kids -> PHS SMCS -> UMD. We are Asian-American first gen immigrants. Our kids chose STEM careers. Both had perfect stats in GPA and SAT, NMS, ECs, Internships and research papers etc. We knew that they would not get into top private schools based on the fact that many of their peers in PHS look and achieve like them.
Apart from that, they also did not apply extensively. They applied to 6 schools in all. Since UMD was in-state and great for CS, Physics and Math (both did double majors, both had Math in common), that was their lowest bar in terms of where they wanted to apply. This did not leave very many colleges for them that were ranked higher for these majors. This is not a drawback but a boon. Imagine having a college like UMD as your safety. To be honest, UMD was very much their dream school, target and safety all rolled in one.
Having done STEM research internships during PHS (It is a SMCS requirement) and having written a paper based on that - they also found it easy to get future internships @ UMD right from the get go. Having been through the rigor, pace, and curriculum of SMCS and having so many AP and post-AP credits transfer, allowed them to juggle two hard majors, internships, and socializing in college with ease. They watched many of their college classmates - either do very poorly in hard courses or study very hard to stay afloat or do well but without any outside interests. In other words, the training and exposure they got at PHS made college seem easy.
The kind of professional training that the SMCS teaches these students in terms of advocating for oneself, building a network of peers, acquiring skill sets, acquiring credentials, creating and seeking opportunities, time management and organization is invaluable for college and professional life. They also were hugely networked at UMD with other area students from DMV because they had either competed with them in other arenas or had crossed paths with them.
Last, but not the least - since they are already in-state in a public university and the cost is already low. Therefore, even a small merit aid usually covers a significant amount of tuition if not all. This merit $$$ was like a payday for the work that they did in magnet HS.
For us, magnet STEM schools was worth it for succeeding in college and professional life. It made the college admission process easy too.
Of course, I don't mean to be glib and say that it was all easy. To be in the magnet track meant that my kids were performing academically at very high levels from ES. They were acing all kinds of tests that was being administered by MCPS- Raven, TerraNova, MAPS - and tests like JHU-CTY outside of school.
They were consistent from K-12, and also worked hard to have a well rounded resume - ECs, volunteer work, competitions, honor societies, internships, research papers, no discipline issues, consistent performance, no absenteeism, juggling leadership responsibilities, self advocating etc.
This is my child's experience as well. Finishing up SMACs now with a UMd presidential scholarship and direct admit to CS. Will now be paying very low tuition for a top-ranked CS school.
I'd say the magnet helped a lot with UMd admissions. I am not sure helped elsewhere but will never know. I am sure my child does not stand out as much as they would at home HS. Also I do not think the school profile that gets sent to colleges does the magnet students any favors.
If you don’t mind, Could you elaborate on this further?
Sure. Still in the middle of college admissions since I have a current senior. I assume you are wondering about the shool profile comment. My understanding is that without a school ranking, some colleges will try to guess based on the GPA bands. For Poolesville, the top bands are 78% for unweighted GPA and 58% for weighted. So after 4 years of hard work and taking all the hardest math classes (functions etc), my 4.0 UW 4.7W GPA kid only appears to be in the top 58% of their class. UMd will understand this, but other schools may not.
Different poster. This might as well have been in a different language. What do you mean by “GPA bands”? Can you explain to me like I’m an idiot?
+1 Isn't it true that most T20 colleges tear apart the GPA calculation anyways, and re-calculate based on their own scale. But, I don't know what they might do with the SMCS's specialty classes like, Analysis 2, Quantum Physics, Organic Chemistry, etc.?? Do those get weighted more in the re-calculation??
I don't think they do. Also, some of the SMACs classes are not even listed properly on the transcripts.
They were on ours at least when we got a copy of it last year.
Well i thought so too at first. Example of this would be the SMACS 9th grade computer class listed on transcript as "Foundations of Computer Science". Unless someone is familiar with SMACS they would not not know that this is actually also AP Computer Science.
Magnet CS 9 is noted as Advanced Level class and part of a Special Program. Although there are a few honors classes that get this designation, it's mostly reserved for APs.
0.5 credit per semester
Functions begun in Algebra 1 are continued and expanded to include all forms of algebraic, exponential, logarithmic, and circular functions. The study of each includes a precise definition, a consideration of graphs and applications, an analysis of distinguishing and interesting features, and an identification of related tangents and slopes. Students study trigonometry, approached from circular functions, conics, limits, and derivatives.
Prerequisite: Magnet or Honors Geometry
Grade Level: 9 - 10 - 11 - 12
No repeats for credit
It’s algebra 2 and precalculus in a very condensed fast paced schedule.
That sounds like a bad idea. Better just to start algebra in 6th.
You should meet with Peter Ostrander at he Blair magnet. I am sure he would be very interested in your opinion.
I emailed the magnet folks and they did not return my email. So, we declined.
You emailed them what?
To discuss the math and other options.
I have heard the math is a Sh#t show at Blair and one really bad teacher.
But, back to the topic - is it worth it? Didn't seem worth it to us. You don't have any scheduling flexibility, math wouldn't be accelerated for my chid who is already accelerated and they'd have to take magnet classes they aren't interested in. Why rush Algebra 2 and Pre-Cal when they are important for progression?
The Blair program is the most accelerated available. Why would you think it’s not accelerated for your kid?!
They don't. It's just a troll with a bad case of Blair envy.
We didn't want Blair and wanted another DCC school. Blair is fine but they didn't have the classes via the Magnet my child wanted so it was pointless to send them. Math would be the same no matter what school. My child doesn't need functions.
Plenty of other math besides functions. Mulitvariable Calc, Linear Algebra, Discrete, Logic, etc…. you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Just like science: Marine Bio, Quantum Phys, Entomoloy, etc… so much more than other schools offer….
Anonymous wrote:Yes. I think for our children magnets were absolutely worth it for college admissions.
The pathway for both of my kids -> PHS SMCS -> UMD. We are Asian-American first gen immigrants. Our kids chose STEM careers. Both had perfect stats in GPA and SAT, NMS, ECs, Internships and research papers etc. We knew that they would not get into top private schools based on the fact that many of their peers in PHS look and achieve like them.
Apart from that, they also did not apply extensively. They applied to 6 schools in all. Since UMD was in-state and great for CS, Physics and Math (both did double majors, both had Math in common), that was their lowest bar in terms of where they wanted to apply. This did not leave very many colleges for them that were ranked higher for these majors. This is not a drawback but a boon. Imagine having a college like UMD as your safety. To be honest, UMD was very much their dream school, target and safety all rolled in one.
Having done STEM research internships during PHS (It is a SMCS requirement) and having written a paper based on that - they also found it easy to get future internships @ UMD right from the get go. Having been through the rigor, pace, and curriculum of SMCS and having so many AP and post-AP credits transfer, allowed them to juggle two hard majors, internships, and socializing in college with ease. They watched many of their college classmates - either do very poorly in hard courses or study very hard to stay afloat or do well but without any outside interests. In other words, the training and exposure they got at PHS made college seem easy.
The kind of professional training that the SMCS teaches these students in terms of advocating for oneself, building a network of peers, acquiring skill sets, acquiring credentials, creating and seeking opportunities, time management and organization is invaluable for college and professional life. They also were hugely networked at UMD with other area students from DMV because they had either competed with them in other arenas or had crossed paths with them.
Last, but not the least - since they are already in-state in a public university and the cost is already low. Therefore, even a small merit aid usually covers a significant amount of tuition if not all. This merit $$$ was like a payday for the work that they did in magnet HS.
For us, magnet STEM schools was worth it for succeeding in college and professional life. It made the college admission process easy too.
Of course, I don't mean to be glib and say that it was all easy. To be in the magnet track meant that my kids were performing academically at very high levels from ES. They were acing all kinds of tests that was being administered by MCPS- Raven, TerraNova, MAPS - and tests like JHU-CTY outside of school.
They were consistent from K-12, and also worked hard to have a well rounded resume - ECs, volunteer work, competitions, honor societies, internships, research papers, no discipline issues, consistent performance, no absenteeism, juggling leadership responsibilities, self advocating etc.
This is my child's experience as well. Finishing up SMACs now with a UMd presidential scholarship and direct admit to CS. Will now be paying very low tuition for a top-ranked CS school.
I'd say the magnet helped a lot with UMd admissions. I am not sure helped elsewhere but will never know. I am sure my child does not stand out as much as they would at home HS. Also I do not think the school profile that gets sent to colleges does the magnet students any favors.
If you don’t mind, Could you elaborate on this further?
Sure. Still in the middle of college admissions since I have a current senior. I assume you are wondering about the shool profile comment. My understanding is that without a school ranking, some colleges will try to guess based on the GPA bands. For Poolesville, the top bands are 78% for unweighted GPA and 58% for weighted. So after 4 years of hard work and taking all the hardest math classes (functions etc), my 4.0 UW 4.7W GPA kid only appears to be in the top 58% of their class. UMd will understand this, but other schools may not.
Different poster. This might as well have been in a different language. What do you mean by “GPA bands”? Can you explain to me like I’m an idiot?
+1 Isn't it true that most T20 colleges tear apart the GPA calculation anyways, and re-calculate based on their own scale. But, I don't know what they might do with the SMCS's specialty classes like, Analysis 2, Quantum Physics, Organic Chemistry, etc.?? Do those get weighted more in the re-calculation??
I don't think they do. Also, some of the SMACs classes are not even listed properly on the transcripts.
They were on ours at least when we got a copy of it last year.
Well i thought so too at first. Example of this would be the SMACS 9th grade computer class listed on transcript as "Foundations of Computer Science". Unless someone is familiar with SMACS they would not not know that this is actually also AP Computer Science.
Magnet CS 9 is noted as Advanced Level class and part of a Special Program. Although there are a few honors classes that get this designation, it's mostly reserved for APs.
0.5 credit per semester
Functions begun in Algebra 1 are continued and expanded to include all forms of algebraic, exponential, logarithmic, and circular functions. The study of each includes a precise definition, a consideration of graphs and applications, an analysis of distinguishing and interesting features, and an identification of related tangents and slopes. Students study trigonometry, approached from circular functions, conics, limits, and derivatives.
Prerequisite: Magnet or Honors Geometry
Grade Level: 9 - 10 - 11 - 12
No repeats for credit
It’s algebra 2 and precalculus in a very condensed fast paced schedule.
That sounds like a bad idea. Better just to start algebra in 6th.
You should meet with Peter Ostrander at he Blair magnet. I am sure he would be very interested in your opinion.
I emailed the magnet folks and they did not return my email. So, we declined.
You emailed them what?
To discuss the math and other options.
I have heard the math is a Sh#t show at Blair and one really bad teacher.
But, back to the topic - is it worth it? Didn't seem worth it to us. You don't have any scheduling flexibility, math wouldn't be accelerated for my chid who is already accelerated and they'd have to take magnet classes they aren't interested in. Why rush Algebra 2 and Pre-Cal when they are important for progression?
The Blair program is the most accelerated available. Why would you think it’s not accelerated for your kid?!
My child takes Pre-Cal in 9th grade regardless of the school they are at.
He’s not taking functions or magnet pre-calc though, is he? (Or she). That’s the path at Blair and it’s certainly more accelerated.
Anonymous wrote:Yes. I think for our children magnets were absolutely worth it for college admissions.
The pathway for both of my kids -> PHS SMCS -> UMD. We are Asian-American first gen immigrants. Our kids chose STEM careers. Both had perfect stats in GPA and SAT, NMS, ECs, Internships and research papers etc. We knew that they would not get into top private schools based on the fact that many of their peers in PHS look and achieve like them.
Apart from that, they also did not apply extensively. They applied to 6 schools in all. Since UMD was in-state and great for CS, Physics and Math (both did double majors, both had Math in common), that was their lowest bar in terms of where they wanted to apply. This did not leave very many colleges for them that were ranked higher for these majors. This is not a drawback but a boon. Imagine having a college like UMD as your safety. To be honest, UMD was very much their dream school, target and safety all rolled in one.
Having done STEM research internships during PHS (It is a SMCS requirement) and having written a paper based on that - they also found it easy to get future internships @ UMD right from the get go. Having been through the rigor, pace, and curriculum of SMCS and having so many AP and post-AP credits transfer, allowed them to juggle two hard majors, internships, and socializing in college with ease. They watched many of their college classmates - either do very poorly in hard courses or study very hard to stay afloat or do well but without any outside interests. In other words, the training and exposure they got at PHS made college seem easy.
The kind of professional training that the SMCS teaches these students in terms of advocating for oneself, building a network of peers, acquiring skill sets, acquiring credentials, creating and seeking opportunities, time management and organization is invaluable for college and professional life. They also were hugely networked at UMD with other area students from DMV because they had either competed with them in other arenas or had crossed paths with them.
Last, but not the least - since they are already in-state in a public university and the cost is already low. Therefore, even a small merit aid usually covers a significant amount of tuition if not all. This merit $$$ was like a payday for the work that they did in magnet HS.
For us, magnet STEM schools was worth it for succeeding in college and professional life. It made the college admission process easy too.
Of course, I don't mean to be glib and say that it was all easy. To be in the magnet track meant that my kids were performing academically at very high levels from ES. They were acing all kinds of tests that was being administered by MCPS- Raven, TerraNova, MAPS - and tests like JHU-CTY outside of school.
They were consistent from K-12, and also worked hard to have a well rounded resume - ECs, volunteer work, competitions, honor societies, internships, research papers, no discipline issues, consistent performance, no absenteeism, juggling leadership responsibilities, self advocating etc.
This is my child's experience as well. Finishing up SMACs now with a UMd presidential scholarship and direct admit to CS. Will now be paying very low tuition for a top-ranked CS school.
I'd say the magnet helped a lot with UMd admissions. I am not sure helped elsewhere but will never know. I am sure my child does not stand out as much as they would at home HS. Also I do not think the school profile that gets sent to colleges does the magnet students any favors.
If you don’t mind, Could you elaborate on this further?
Sure. Still in the middle of college admissions since I have a current senior. I assume you are wondering about the shool profile comment. My understanding is that without a school ranking, some colleges will try to guess based on the GPA bands. For Poolesville, the top bands are 78% for unweighted GPA and 58% for weighted. So after 4 years of hard work and taking all the hardest math classes (functions etc), my 4.0 UW 4.7W GPA kid only appears to be in the top 58% of their class. UMd will understand this, but other schools may not.
Different poster. This might as well have been in a different language. What do you mean by “GPA bands”? Can you explain to me like I’m an idiot?
+1 Isn't it true that most T20 colleges tear apart the GPA calculation anyways, and re-calculate based on their own scale. But, I don't know what they might do with the SMCS's specialty classes like, Analysis 2, Quantum Physics, Organic Chemistry, etc.?? Do those get weighted more in the re-calculation??
I don't think they do. Also, some of the SMACs classes are not even listed properly on the transcripts.
They were on ours at least when we got a copy of it last year.
Well i thought so too at first. Example of this would be the SMACS 9th grade computer class listed on transcript as "Foundations of Computer Science". Unless someone is familiar with SMACS they would not not know that this is actually also AP Computer Science.
Magnet CS 9 is noted as Advanced Level class and part of a Special Program. Although there are a few honors classes that get this designation, it's mostly reserved for APs.
0.5 credit per semester
Functions begun in Algebra 1 are continued and expanded to include all forms of algebraic, exponential, logarithmic, and circular functions. The study of each includes a precise definition, a consideration of graphs and applications, an analysis of distinguishing and interesting features, and an identification of related tangents and slopes. Students study trigonometry, approached from circular functions, conics, limits, and derivatives.
Prerequisite: Magnet or Honors Geometry
Grade Level: 9 - 10 - 11 - 12
No repeats for credit
It’s algebra 2 and precalculus in a very condensed fast paced schedule.
That sounds like a bad idea. Better just to start algebra in 6th.
You should meet with Peter Ostrander at he Blair magnet. I am sure he would be very interested in your opinion.
I emailed the magnet folks and they did not return my email. So, we declined.
You emailed them what?
To discuss the math and other options.
I have heard the math is a Sh#t show at Blair and one really bad teacher.
But, back to the topic - is it worth it? Didn't seem worth it to us. You don't have any scheduling flexibility, math wouldn't be accelerated for my chid who is already accelerated and they'd have to take magnet classes they aren't interested in. Why rush Algebra 2 and Pre-Cal when they are important for progression?
The Blair program is the most accelerated available. Why would you think it’s not accelerated for your kid?!
My child takes Pre-Cal in 9th grade regardless of the school they are at.
He’s not taking functions or magnet pre-calc though, is he? (Or she). That’s the path at Blair and it’s certainly more accelerated.
Functions would not be more accelerated if those kids haven't done pre-algebra.
Anonymous wrote:Yes. I think for our children magnets were absolutely worth it for college admissions.
The pathway for both of my kids -> PHS SMCS -> UMD. We are Asian-American first gen immigrants. Our kids chose STEM careers. Both had perfect stats in GPA and SAT, NMS, ECs, Internships and research papers etc. We knew that they would not get into top private schools based on the fact that many of their peers in PHS look and achieve like them.
Apart from that, they also did not apply extensively. They applied to 6 schools in all. Since UMD was in-state and great for CS, Physics and Math (both did double majors, both had Math in common), that was their lowest bar in terms of where they wanted to apply. This did not leave very many colleges for them that were ranked higher for these majors. This is not a drawback but a boon. Imagine having a college like UMD as your safety. To be honest, UMD was very much their dream school, target and safety all rolled in one.
Having done STEM research internships during PHS (It is a SMCS requirement) and having written a paper based on that - they also found it easy to get future internships @ UMD right from the get go. Having been through the rigor, pace, and curriculum of SMCS and having so many AP and post-AP credits transfer, allowed them to juggle two hard majors, internships, and socializing in college with ease. They watched many of their college classmates - either do very poorly in hard courses or study very hard to stay afloat or do well but without any outside interests. In other words, the training and exposure they got at PHS made college seem easy.
The kind of professional training that the SMCS teaches these students in terms of advocating for oneself, building a network of peers, acquiring skill sets, acquiring credentials, creating and seeking opportunities, time management and organization is invaluable for college and professional life. They also were hugely networked at UMD with other area students from DMV because they had either competed with them in other arenas or had crossed paths with them.
Last, but not the least - since they are already in-state in a public university and the cost is already low. Therefore, even a small merit aid usually covers a significant amount of tuition if not all. This merit $$$ was like a payday for the work that they did in magnet HS.
For us, magnet STEM schools was worth it for succeeding in college and professional life. It made the college admission process easy too.
Of course, I don't mean to be glib and say that it was all easy. To be in the magnet track meant that my kids were performing academically at very high levels from ES. They were acing all kinds of tests that was being administered by MCPS- Raven, TerraNova, MAPS - and tests like JHU-CTY outside of school.
They were consistent from K-12, and also worked hard to have a well rounded resume - ECs, volunteer work, competitions, honor societies, internships, research papers, no discipline issues, consistent performance, no absenteeism, juggling leadership responsibilities, self advocating etc.
This is my child's experience as well. Finishing up SMACs now with a UMd presidential scholarship and direct admit to CS. Will now be paying very low tuition for a top-ranked CS school.
I'd say the magnet helped a lot with UMd admissions. I am not sure helped elsewhere but will never know. I am sure my child does not stand out as much as they would at home HS. Also I do not think the school profile that gets sent to colleges does the magnet students any favors.
If you don’t mind, Could you elaborate on this further?
Sure. Still in the middle of college admissions since I have a current senior. I assume you are wondering about the shool profile comment. My understanding is that without a school ranking, some colleges will try to guess based on the GPA bands. For Poolesville, the top bands are 78% for unweighted GPA and 58% for weighted. So after 4 years of hard work and taking all the hardest math classes (functions etc), my 4.0 UW 4.7W GPA kid only appears to be in the top 58% of their class. UMd will understand this, but other schools may not.
Different poster. This might as well have been in a different language. What do you mean by “GPA bands”? Can you explain to me like I’m an idiot?
+1 Isn't it true that most T20 colleges tear apart the GPA calculation anyways, and re-calculate based on their own scale. But, I don't know what they might do with the SMCS's specialty classes like, Analysis 2, Quantum Physics, Organic Chemistry, etc.?? Do those get weighted more in the re-calculation??
I don't think they do. Also, some of the SMACs classes are not even listed properly on the transcripts.
They were on ours at least when we got a copy of it last year.
Well i thought so too at first. Example of this would be the SMACS 9th grade computer class listed on transcript as "Foundations of Computer Science". Unless someone is familiar with SMACS they would not not know that this is actually also AP Computer Science.
Magnet CS 9 is noted as Advanced Level class and part of a Special Program. Although there are a few honors classes that get this designation, it's mostly reserved for APs.
0.5 credit per semester
Functions begun in Algebra 1 are continued and expanded to include all forms of algebraic, exponential, logarithmic, and circular functions. The study of each includes a precise definition, a consideration of graphs and applications, an analysis of distinguishing and interesting features, and an identification of related tangents and slopes. Students study trigonometry, approached from circular functions, conics, limits, and derivatives.
Prerequisite: Magnet or Honors Geometry
Grade Level: 9 - 10 - 11 - 12
No repeats for credit
It’s algebra 2 and precalculus in a very condensed fast paced schedule.
That sounds like a bad idea. Better just to start algebra in 6th.
You should meet with Peter Ostrander at he Blair magnet. I am sure he would be very interested in your opinion.
I emailed the magnet folks and they did not return my email. So, we declined.
You emailed them what?
To discuss the math and other options.
I have heard the math is a Sh#t show at Blair and one really bad teacher.
But, back to the topic - is it worth it? Didn't seem worth it to us. You don't have any scheduling flexibility, math wouldn't be accelerated for my chid who is already accelerated and they'd have to take magnet classes they aren't interested in. Why rush Algebra 2 and Pre-Cal when they are important for progression?
The Blair program is the most accelerated available. Why would you think it’s not accelerated for your kid?!
My child takes Pre-Cal in 9th grade regardless of the school they are at.
He’s not taking functions or magnet pre-calc though, is he? (Or she). That’s the path at Blair and it’s certainly more accelerated.
Functions would not be more accelerated if those kids haven't done pre-algebra.
Anonymous wrote:Yes. I think for our children magnets were absolutely worth it for college admissions.
The pathway for both of my kids -> PHS SMCS -> UMD. We are Asian-American first gen immigrants. Our kids chose STEM careers. Both had perfect stats in GPA and SAT, NMS, ECs, Internships and research papers etc. We knew that they would not get into top private schools based on the fact that many of their peers in PHS look and achieve like them.
Apart from that, they also did not apply extensively. They applied to 6 schools in all. Since UMD was in-state and great for CS, Physics and Math (both did double majors, both had Math in common), that was their lowest bar in terms of where they wanted to apply. This did not leave very many colleges for them that were ranked higher for these majors. This is not a drawback but a boon. Imagine having a college like UMD as your safety. To be honest, UMD was very much their dream school, target and safety all rolled in one.
Having done STEM research internships during PHS (It is a SMCS requirement) and having written a paper based on that - they also found it easy to get future internships @ UMD right from the get go. Having been through the rigor, pace, and curriculum of SMCS and having so many AP and post-AP credits transfer, allowed them to juggle two hard majors, internships, and socializing in college with ease. They watched many of their college classmates - either do very poorly in hard courses or study very hard to stay afloat or do well but without any outside interests. In other words, the training and exposure they got at PHS made college seem easy.
The kind of professional training that the SMCS teaches these students in terms of advocating for oneself, building a network of peers, acquiring skill sets, acquiring credentials, creating and seeking opportunities, time management and organization is invaluable for college and professional life. They also were hugely networked at UMD with other area students from DMV because they had either competed with them in other arenas or had crossed paths with them.
Last, but not the least - since they are already in-state in a public university and the cost is already low. Therefore, even a small merit aid usually covers a significant amount of tuition if not all. This merit $$$ was like a payday for the work that they did in magnet HS.
For us, magnet STEM schools was worth it for succeeding in college and professional life. It made the college admission process easy too.
Of course, I don't mean to be glib and say that it was all easy. To be in the magnet track meant that my kids were performing academically at very high levels from ES. They were acing all kinds of tests that was being administered by MCPS- Raven, TerraNova, MAPS - and tests like JHU-CTY outside of school.
They were consistent from K-12, and also worked hard to have a well rounded resume - ECs, volunteer work, competitions, honor societies, internships, research papers, no discipline issues, consistent performance, no absenteeism, juggling leadership responsibilities, self advocating etc.
This is my child's experience as well. Finishing up SMACs now with a UMd presidential scholarship and direct admit to CS. Will now be paying very low tuition for a top-ranked CS school.
I'd say the magnet helped a lot with UMd admissions. I am not sure helped elsewhere but will never know. I am sure my child does not stand out as much as they would at home HS. Also I do not think the school profile that gets sent to colleges does the magnet students any favors.
If you don’t mind, Could you elaborate on this further?
Sure. Still in the middle of college admissions since I have a current senior. I assume you are wondering about the shool profile comment. My understanding is that without a school ranking, some colleges will try to guess based on the GPA bands. For Poolesville, the top bands are 78% for unweighted GPA and 58% for weighted. So after 4 years of hard work and taking all the hardest math classes (functions etc), my 4.0 UW 4.7W GPA kid only appears to be in the top 58% of their class. UMd will understand this, but other schools may not.
Different poster. This might as well have been in a different language. What do you mean by “GPA bands”? Can you explain to me like I’m an idiot?
+1 Isn't it true that most T20 colleges tear apart the GPA calculation anyways, and re-calculate based on their own scale. But, I don't know what they might do with the SMCS's specialty classes like, Analysis 2, Quantum Physics, Organic Chemistry, etc.?? Do those get weighted more in the re-calculation??
I don't think they do. Also, some of the SMACs classes are not even listed properly on the transcripts.
They were on ours at least when we got a copy of it last year.
Well i thought so too at first. Example of this would be the SMACS 9th grade computer class listed on transcript as "Foundations of Computer Science". Unless someone is familiar with SMACS they would not not know that this is actually also AP Computer Science.
Magnet CS 9 is noted as Advanced Level class and part of a Special Program. Although there are a few honors classes that get this designation, it's mostly reserved for APs.
0.5 credit per semester
Functions begun in Algebra 1 are continued and expanded to include all forms of algebraic, exponential, logarithmic, and circular functions. The study of each includes a precise definition, a consideration of graphs and applications, an analysis of distinguishing and interesting features, and an identification of related tangents and slopes. Students study trigonometry, approached from circular functions, conics, limits, and derivatives.
Prerequisite: Magnet or Honors Geometry
Grade Level: 9 - 10 - 11 - 12
No repeats for credit
It’s algebra 2 and precalculus in a very condensed fast paced schedule.
That sounds like a bad idea. Better just to start algebra in 6th.
You should meet with Peter Ostrander at he Blair magnet. I am sure he would be very interested in your opinion.
I emailed the magnet folks and they did not return my email. So, we declined.
You emailed them what?
To discuss the math and other options.
I have heard the math is a Sh#t show at Blair and one really bad teacher.
But, back to the topic - is it worth it? Didn't seem worth it to us. You don't have any scheduling flexibility, math wouldn't be accelerated for my chid who is already accelerated and they'd have to take magnet classes they aren't interested in. Why rush Algebra 2 and Pre-Cal when they are important for progression?
The Blair program is the most accelerated available. Why would you think it’s not accelerated for your kid?!
My child takes Pre-Cal in 9th grade regardless of the school they are at.
He’s not taking functions or magnet pre-calc though, is he? (Or she). That’s the path at Blair and it’s certainly more accelerated.
Functions would not be more accelerated if those kids haven't done pre-algebra.
oops Algebra 2.
Yes it would, absolutely more accelerated. Functions includes not just magnet precalculus A/B but also magnet precalculus C/D in one year. Magnet pre-calc includes algebra 2 and magnet precalculus AB in one year. Magnet precalculus is more advanced/accelerated than honors precalculus. The non functions track is half a year slower, but however you look at it, it is more accelerated than anywhere else in MCPS.
Anonymous wrote:Yes. I think for our children magnets were absolutely worth it for college admissions.
The pathway for both of my kids -> PHS SMCS -> UMD. We are Asian-American first gen immigrants. Our kids chose STEM careers. Both had perfect stats in GPA and SAT, NMS, ECs, Internships and research papers etc. We knew that they would not get into top private schools based on the fact that many of their peers in PHS look and achieve like them.
Apart from that, they also did not apply extensively. They applied to 6 schools in all. Since UMD was in-state and great for CS, Physics and Math (both did double majors, both had Math in common), that was their lowest bar in terms of where they wanted to apply. This did not leave very many colleges for them that were ranked higher for these majors. This is not a drawback but a boon. Imagine having a college like UMD as your safety. To be honest, UMD was very much their dream school, target and safety all rolled in one.
Having done STEM research internships during PHS (It is a SMCS requirement) and having written a paper based on that - they also found it easy to get future internships @ UMD right from the get go. Having been through the rigor, pace, and curriculum of SMCS and having so many AP and post-AP credits transfer, allowed them to juggle two hard majors, internships, and socializing in college with ease. They watched many of their college classmates - either do very poorly in hard courses or study very hard to stay afloat or do well but without any outside interests. In other words, the training and exposure they got at PHS made college seem easy.
The kind of professional training that the SMCS teaches these students in terms of advocating for oneself, building a network of peers, acquiring skill sets, acquiring credentials, creating and seeking opportunities, time management and organization is invaluable for college and professional life. They also were hugely networked at UMD with other area students from DMV because they had either competed with them in other arenas or had crossed paths with them.
Last, but not the least - since they are already in-state in a public university and the cost is already low. Therefore, even a small merit aid usually covers a significant amount of tuition if not all. This merit $$$ was like a payday for the work that they did in magnet HS.
For us, magnet STEM schools was worth it for succeeding in college and professional life. It made the college admission process easy too.
Of course, I don't mean to be glib and say that it was all easy. To be in the magnet track meant that my kids were performing academically at very high levels from ES. They were acing all kinds of tests that was being administered by MCPS- Raven, TerraNova, MAPS - and tests like JHU-CTY outside of school.
They were consistent from K-12, and also worked hard to have a well rounded resume - ECs, volunteer work, competitions, honor societies, internships, research papers, no discipline issues, consistent performance, no absenteeism, juggling leadership responsibilities, self advocating etc.
This is my child's experience as well. Finishing up SMACs now with a UMd presidential scholarship and direct admit to CS. Will now be paying very low tuition for a top-ranked CS school.
I'd say the magnet helped a lot with UMd admissions. I am not sure helped elsewhere but will never know. I am sure my child does not stand out as much as they would at home HS. Also I do not think the school profile that gets sent to colleges does the magnet students any favors.
If you don’t mind, Could you elaborate on this further?
Sure. Still in the middle of college admissions since I have a current senior. I assume you are wondering about the shool profile comment. My understanding is that without a school ranking, some colleges will try to guess based on the GPA bands. For Poolesville, the top bands are 78% for unweighted GPA and 58% for weighted. So after 4 years of hard work and taking all the hardest math classes (functions etc), my 4.0 UW 4.7W GPA kid only appears to be in the top 58% of their class. UMd will understand this, but other schools may not.
Different poster. This might as well have been in a different language. What do you mean by “GPA bands”? Can you explain to me like I’m an idiot?
+1 Isn't it true that most T20 colleges tear apart the GPA calculation anyways, and re-calculate based on their own scale. But, I don't know what they might do with the SMCS's specialty classes like, Analysis 2, Quantum Physics, Organic Chemistry, etc.?? Do those get weighted more in the re-calculation??
I don't think they do. Also, some of the SMACs classes are not even listed properly on the transcripts.
They were on ours at least when we got a copy of it last year.
Well i thought so too at first. Example of this would be the SMACS 9th grade computer class listed on transcript as "Foundations of Computer Science". Unless someone is familiar with SMACS they would not not know that this is actually also AP Computer Science.
Magnet CS 9 is noted as Advanced Level class and part of a Special Program. Although there are a few honors classes that get this designation, it's mostly reserved for APs.
0.5 credit per semester
Functions begun in Algebra 1 are continued and expanded to include all forms of algebraic, exponential, logarithmic, and circular functions. The study of each includes a precise definition, a consideration of graphs and applications, an analysis of distinguishing and interesting features, and an identification of related tangents and slopes. Students study trigonometry, approached from circular functions, conics, limits, and derivatives.
Prerequisite: Magnet or Honors Geometry
Grade Level: 9 - 10 - 11 - 12
No repeats for credit
It’s algebra 2 and precalculus in a very condensed fast paced schedule.
That sounds like a bad idea. Better just to start algebra in 6th.
You should meet with Peter Ostrander at he Blair magnet. I am sure he would be very interested in your opinion.
I emailed the magnet folks and they did not return my email. So, we declined.
You emailed them what?
To discuss the math and other options.
I have heard the math is a Sh#t show at Blair and one really bad teacher.
But, back to the topic - is it worth it? Didn't seem worth it to us. You don't have any scheduling flexibility, math wouldn't be accelerated for my chid who is already accelerated and they'd have to take magnet classes they aren't interested in. Why rush Algebra 2 and Pre-Cal when they are important for progression?
The Blair program is the most accelerated available. Why would you think it’s not accelerated for your kid?!
My child takes Pre-Cal in 9th grade regardless of the school they are at.
He’s not taking functions or magnet pre-calc though, is he? (Or she). That’s the path at Blair and it’s certainly more accelerated.
Functions would not be more accelerated if those kids haven't done pre-algebra.
oops Algebra 2.
Yes it would, absolutely more accelerated. Functions includes not just magnet precalculus A/B but also magnet precalculus C/D in one year. Magnet pre-calc includes algebra 2 and magnet precalculus AB in one year. Magnet precalculus is more advanced/accelerated than honors precalculus. The non functions track is half a year slower, but however you look at it, it is more accelerated than anywhere else in MCPS.
Magnet is just a label. It doesn't sound more advanced it sounds like they are skimming over the material to compact it all. So, both sets of kids will end up in the same place in 10th - in Calculus. It sounds like a really bad idea to compress Algebra 2 into a half of year and precalculus into a half a year. It would have been far better to do it over two years starting in 8th.
So, back to the topic, how would this help with college admissions? Both are accelerated routes. Both have kids doing Calculus in 10th grade.
Anonymous wrote:Yes. I think for our children magnets were absolutely worth it for college admissions.
The pathway for both of my kids -> PHS SMCS -> UMD. We are Asian-American first gen immigrants. Our kids chose STEM careers. Both had perfect stats in GPA and SAT, NMS, ECs, Internships and research papers etc. We knew that they would not get into top private schools based on the fact that many of their peers in PHS look and achieve like them.
Apart from that, they also did not apply extensively. They applied to 6 schools in all. Since UMD was in-state and great for CS, Physics and Math (both did double majors, both had Math in common), that was their lowest bar in terms of where they wanted to apply. This did not leave very many colleges for them that were ranked higher for these majors. This is not a drawback but a boon. Imagine having a college like UMD as your safety. To be honest, UMD was very much their dream school, target and safety all rolled in one.
Having done STEM research internships during PHS (It is a SMCS requirement) and having written a paper based on that - they also found it easy to get future internships @ UMD right from the get go. Having been through the rigor, pace, and curriculum of SMCS and having so many AP and post-AP credits transfer, allowed them to juggle two hard majors, internships, and socializing in college with ease. They watched many of their college classmates - either do very poorly in hard courses or study very hard to stay afloat or do well but without any outside interests. In other words, the training and exposure they got at PHS made college seem easy.
The kind of professional training that the SMCS teaches these students in terms of advocating for oneself, building a network of peers, acquiring skill sets, acquiring credentials, creating and seeking opportunities, time management and organization is invaluable for college and professional life. They also were hugely networked at UMD with other area students from DMV because they had either competed with them in other arenas or had crossed paths with them.
Last, but not the least - since they are already in-state in a public university and the cost is already low. Therefore, even a small merit aid usually covers a significant amount of tuition if not all. This merit $$$ was like a payday for the work that they did in magnet HS.
For us, magnet STEM schools was worth it for succeeding in college and professional life. It made the college admission process easy too.
Of course, I don't mean to be glib and say that it was all easy. To be in the magnet track meant that my kids were performing academically at very high levels from ES. They were acing all kinds of tests that was being administered by MCPS- Raven, TerraNova, MAPS - and tests like JHU-CTY outside of school.
They were consistent from K-12, and also worked hard to have a well rounded resume - ECs, volunteer work, competitions, honor societies, internships, research papers, no discipline issues, consistent performance, no absenteeism, juggling leadership responsibilities, self advocating etc.
This is my child's experience as well. Finishing up SMACs now with a UMd presidential scholarship and direct admit to CS. Will now be paying very low tuition for a top-ranked CS school.
I'd say the magnet helped a lot with UMd admissions. I am not sure helped elsewhere but will never know. I am sure my child does not stand out as much as they would at home HS. Also I do not think the school profile that gets sent to colleges does the magnet students any favors.
If you don’t mind, Could you elaborate on this further?
Sure. Still in the middle of college admissions since I have a current senior. I assume you are wondering about the shool profile comment. My understanding is that without a school ranking, some colleges will try to guess based on the GPA bands. For Poolesville, the top bands are 78% for unweighted GPA and 58% for weighted. So after 4 years of hard work and taking all the hardest math classes (functions etc), my 4.0 UW 4.7W GPA kid only appears to be in the top 58% of their class. UMd will understand this, but other schools may not.
Different poster. This might as well have been in a different language. What do you mean by “GPA bands”? Can you explain to me like I’m an idiot?
+1 Isn't it true that most T20 colleges tear apart the GPA calculation anyways, and re-calculate based on their own scale. But, I don't know what they might do with the SMCS's specialty classes like, Analysis 2, Quantum Physics, Organic Chemistry, etc.?? Do those get weighted more in the re-calculation??
I don't think they do. Also, some of the SMACs classes are not even listed properly on the transcripts.
They were on ours at least when we got a copy of it last year.
Well i thought so too at first. Example of this would be the SMACS 9th grade computer class listed on transcript as "Foundations of Computer Science". Unless someone is familiar with SMACS they would not not know that this is actually also AP Computer Science.
Magnet CS 9 is noted as Advanced Level class and part of a Special Program. Although there are a few honors classes that get this designation, it's mostly reserved for APs.
0.5 credit per semester
Functions begun in Algebra 1 are continued and expanded to include all forms of algebraic, exponential, logarithmic, and circular functions. The study of each includes a precise definition, a consideration of graphs and applications, an analysis of distinguishing and interesting features, and an identification of related tangents and slopes. Students study trigonometry, approached from circular functions, conics, limits, and derivatives.
Prerequisite: Magnet or Honors Geometry
Grade Level: 9 - 10 - 11 - 12
No repeats for credit
It’s algebra 2 and precalculus in a very condensed fast paced schedule.
That sounds like a bad idea. Better just to start algebra in 6th.
You should meet with Peter Ostrander at he Blair magnet. I am sure he would be very interested in your opinion.
I emailed the magnet folks and they did not return my email. So, we declined.
You emailed them what?
To discuss the math and other options.
I have heard the math is a Sh#t show at Blair and one really bad teacher.
But, back to the topic - is it worth it? Didn't seem worth it to us. You don't have any scheduling flexibility, math wouldn't be accelerated for my chid who is already accelerated and they'd have to take magnet classes they aren't interested in. Why rush Algebra 2 and Pre-Cal when they are important for progression?
The Blair program is the most accelerated available. Why would you think it’s not accelerated for your kid?!
My child takes Pre-Cal in 9th grade regardless of the school they are at.
He’s not taking functions or magnet pre-calc though, is he? (Or she). That’s the path at Blair and it’s certainly more accelerated.
Functions would not be more accelerated if those kids haven't done pre-algebra.
oops Algebra 2.
Yes it would, absolutely more accelerated. Functions includes not just magnet precalculus A/B but also magnet precalculus C/D in one year. Magnet pre-calc includes algebra 2 and magnet precalculus AB in one year. Magnet precalculus is more advanced/accelerated than honors precalculus. The non functions track is half a year slower, but however you look at it, it is more accelerated than anywhere else in MCPS.
Magnet is just a label. It doesn't sound more advanced it sounds like they are skimming over the material to compact it all. So, both sets of kids will end up in the same place in 10th - in Calculus. It sounds like a really bad idea to compress Algebra 2 into a half of year and precalculus into a half a year. It would have been far better to do it over two years starting in 8th.
So, back to the topic, how would this help with college admissions? Both are accelerated routes. Both have kids doing Calculus in 10th grade.
It is in fact accelerated and enriched. Fact.
And it's about the exposure and experience, not college admissions.
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