I push my kids and have NO shame! You should too!!!

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Anonymous wrote:So absolutely absurd to not push kids to do advanced stuff. Especially since some average people are deciding the standards.

Push your kids to do well in school, on screener tests, and everywhere, becait will make them better at the end. They will learn about themselves the most.

Go for Algebra in 7th, even in 6th if you can.

LA should have better acceleration too.

Yes ! Yes ! Yes ! For goodness sake,where would Bill Gates be without a college degree ?! Push ! Push ! Push !

Bill Gates did programming in high school...when that was almost unheard of. sometimes it is good to be silent rather than parade your ignorance.

+1

Bill Gates was programming since he was 13 years old. He forgot to check his privilege, bow down to "equity officers" and stop his accelerated education. He should have studied "Equity, Inclusivity and Diversity".

Down with success.

These days, you get more "public support" if you are trans, queer or some minority group than if you are motivated passionate student.

That's what the pro-privilege parents like to tell themselves.

You are serious about "privilege" how about dropping preference for children of alumni at universities? That goes a long way in increasing the capacity that is available to others.

How about actually helping minorities and economically disadvantaged from pre-k and in FCPS from k onwards with extra additional support. Special after school programs, additional hours, tutors, etc. right from k. Actively put money towards education of these children, who deserve this kind of support at an early age which builds a solid foundation.

But no, what you want is really signal your woke status and pretend to help. Getting 50 kids to TJ from these groups would allow you to signal your own moral superiority. All the tens of thousands of other kids from these groups who need help are ignored. There is no story there.

My child and I help coach kids at an elementary school in math from 3rd grade and many kids show a big improvement and lose fear of math. Many are economically disadvantaged. Some actively love math competitions. It is very little effort on our part actually. FCPS could scale this 1000x with a little investment. But no this is too low level and not much woke signaling is possible here. So they would rather focus on getting a few more kids to TJ to signal their wokeness.

Good points. grunt work isn't woke/cool.

Agree, grunt work isn't cool, but if you're happy with your kid doing worksheets instead of learning something meaningful go for it.

This has always been my difficulty with the attitude of TJ parents. It always seems like they are more concerned with setting a high floor for their child's achievement and potential than cultivating the possibility of a high ceiling. It's as though they're terrified that if their child doesn't end up as a doctor, lawyer, or full-stack web developer, that they're going to be working at a 7-11 or a drive thru. It's so myopic and it results in their kids not achieving what they could.

The poster spoke about doing the grunt work early so that kids can be helped over a longer period of time, build a good foundation and lose their fear of math. You are just saying something different. some fancy high horse stuff. care to elaborate in any case - what is cultivating high ceiling? seems like fun. i am guessing it doesn't involve work(sheets).

I appreciate your acknowledgment that you're unfamiliar with the concept - too few on this board are willing to own up to it.

What I'm referring to by prioritizing a high floor over a high ceiling is the preference for financial security and stability over the pursuit of dreams and greatness. The two are not mutually exclusive goals but the tendency is for TJ parents to treat them as such and push their children toward the former.

you seem to mean well. but have no idea how dreams and greatness is achieved. it is never pretty.

It’s never pretty, but it also never involves parents forcing their kids into fields they don’t care about just to maintain a high floor for earning potential.

maybe. reflective of a scrappy immigrant population for whom education has been a key to achieving (or trying to achieve) the American dream. you will have more ballet dancers in the next generation.

Yeah. I buy that argument when you're talking about the under-resourced and economically disadvantaged Asian population that the new TJ admissions process was intended to - and successfully did! - help. (Remember, poor Asians were statistically the biggest beneficiaries of the new admissions process.)

I don't buy it when you're talking about families out in Ashburn who drive their kids to private school in their tricked-out Tesla while trying to shoehorn them into STEM.

Your selective choosing doesn't change the facts - these parents are mostly first gen immigrants. just because they are doing better than you, you are envious.

I highly doubt they’re doing better than me, based on how they treat their children. They might have more money than me, but I REALLY doubt that they’re doing better.

Clutching at straws.

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Anonymous wrote:So absolutely absurd to not push kids to do advanced stuff. Especially since some average people are deciding the standards.

Push your kids to do well in school, on screener tests, and everywhere, becait will make them better at the end. They will learn about themselves the most.

Go for Algebra in 7th, even in 6th if you can.

LA should have better acceleration too.

Yes ! Yes ! Yes ! For goodness sake,where would Bill Gates be without a college degree ?! Push ! Push ! Push !

Bill Gates did programming in high school...when that was almost unheard of. sometimes it is good to be silent rather than parade your ignorance.

+1

Bill Gates was programming since he was 13 years old. He forgot to check his privilege, bow down to "equity officers" and stop his accelerated education. He should have studied "Equity, Inclusivity and Diversity".

Down with success.

These days, you get more "public support" if you are trans, queer or some minority group than if you are motivated passionate student.

That's what the pro-privilege parents like to tell themselves.

You are serious about "privilege" how about dropping preference for children of alumni at universities? That goes a long way in increasing the capacity that is available to others.

How about actually helping minorities and economically disadvantaged from pre-k and in FCPS from k onwards with extra additional support. Special after school programs, additional hours, tutors, etc. right from k. Actively put money towards education of these children, who deserve this kind of support at an early age which builds a solid foundation.

But no, what you want is really signal your woke status and pretend to help. Getting 50 kids to TJ from these groups would allow you to signal your own moral superiority. All the tens of thousands of other kids from these groups who need help are ignored. There is no story there.

My child and I help coach kids at an elementary school in math from 3rd grade and many kids show a big improvement and lose fear of math. Many are economically disadvantaged. Some actively love math competitions. It is very little effort on our part actually. FCPS could scale this 1000x with a little investment. But no this is too low level and not much woke signaling is possible here. So they would rather focus on getting a few more kids to TJ to signal their wokeness.

Good points. grunt work isn't woke/cool.

Agree, grunt work isn't cool, but if you're happy with your kid doing worksheets instead of learning something meaningful go for it.

This has always been my difficulty with the attitude of TJ parents. It always seems like they are more concerned with setting a high floor for their child's achievement and potential than cultivating the possibility of a high ceiling. It's as though they're terrified that if their child doesn't end up as a doctor, lawyer, or full-stack web developer, that they're going to be working at a 7-11 or a drive thru. It's so myopic and it results in their kids not achieving what they could.

The poster spoke about doing the grunt work early so that kids can be helped over a longer period of time, build a good foundation and lose their fear of math. You are just saying something different. some fancy high horse stuff. care to elaborate in any case - what is cultivating high ceiling? seems like fun. i am guessing it doesn't involve work(sheets).

I appreciate your acknowledgment that you're unfamiliar with the concept - too few on this board are willing to own up to it.

What I'm referring to by prioritizing a high floor over a high ceiling is the preference for financial security and stability over the pursuit of dreams and greatness. The two are not mutually exclusive goals but the tendency is for TJ parents to treat them as such and push their children toward the former.

you seem to mean well. but have no idea how dreams and greatness is achieved. it is never pretty.

It’s never pretty, but it also never involves parents forcing their kids into fields they don’t care about just to maintain a high floor for earning potential.

maybe. reflective of a scrappy immigrant population for whom education has been a key to achieving (or trying to achieve) the American dream. you will have more ballet dancers in the next generation.

Yeah. I buy that argument when you're talking about the under-resourced and economically disadvantaged Asian population that the new TJ admissions process was intended to - and successfully did! - help. (Remember, poor Asians were statistically the biggest beneficiaries of the new admissions process.)

I don't buy it when you're talking about families out in Ashburn who drive their kids to private school in their tricked-out Tesla while trying to shoehorn them into STEM.

You represent the same type of entitled person who thought rich black people in tulsa shouldn't exist and therefore rioted to destroy it. now the target are Asians doing better than you. same racist thought process.

DP. You’re gonna have to show your work on that one because what you just said makes absolutely zero sense. There is no comparison between someone advocating for a policy that helps poor Asians and the burning of Black Wall Street.

The astroturf campaigns like the Coalition to preserve privilege at TJ are funded by the same people who advocate AGAINST teaching about Black Wall Street.

Makes absolute sense. Wokeness is just a cloak for racism among certain white liberals. They just can't stand Asians doing well.

… That makes even less sense.

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Anonymous wrote:So absolutely absurd to not push kids to do advanced stuff. Especially since some average people are deciding the standards.

Push your kids to do well in school, on screener tests, and everywhere, becait will make them better at the end. They will learn about themselves the most.

Go for Algebra in 7th, even in 6th if you can.

LA should have better acceleration too.

Yes ! Yes ! Yes ! For goodness sake,where would Bill Gates be without a college degree ?! Push ! Push ! Push !

Bill Gates did programming in high school...when that was almost unheard of. sometimes it is good to be silent rather than parade your ignorance.

+1

Bill Gates was programming since he was 13 years old. He forgot to check his privilege, bow down to "equity officers" and stop his accelerated education. He should have studied "Equity, Inclusivity and Diversity".

Down with success.

These days, you get more "public support" if you are trans, queer or some minority group than if you are motivated passionate student.

That's what the pro-privilege parents like to tell themselves.

You are serious about "privilege" how about dropping preference for children of alumni at universities? That goes a long way in increasing the capacity that is available to others.

How about actually helping minorities and economically disadvantaged from pre-k and in FCPS from k onwards with extra additional support. Special after school programs, additional hours, tutors, etc. right from k. Actively put money towards education of these children, who deserve this kind of support at an early age which builds a solid foundation.

But no, what you want is really signal your woke status and pretend to help. Getting 50 kids to TJ from these groups would allow you to signal your own moral superiority. All the tens of thousands of other kids from these groups who need help are ignored. There is no story there.

My child and I help coach kids at an elementary school in math from 3rd grade and many kids show a big improvement and lose fear of math. Many are economically disadvantaged. Some actively love math competitions. It is very little effort on our part actually. FCPS could scale this 1000x with a little investment. But no this is too low level and not much woke signaling is possible here. So they would rather focus on getting a few more kids to TJ to signal their wokeness.

Good points. grunt work isn't woke/cool.

Agree, grunt work isn't cool, but if you're happy with your kid doing worksheets instead of learning something meaningful go for it.

This has always been my difficulty with the attitude of TJ parents. It always seems like they are more concerned with setting a high floor for their child's achievement and potential than cultivating the possibility of a high ceiling. It's as though they're terrified that if their child doesn't end up as a doctor, lawyer, or full-stack web developer, that they're going to be working at a 7-11 or a drive thru. It's so myopic and it results in their kids not achieving what they could.

The poster spoke about doing the grunt work early so that kids can be helped over a longer period of time, build a good foundation and lose their fear of math. You are just saying something different. some fancy high horse stuff. care to elaborate in any case - what is cultivating high ceiling? seems like fun. i am guessing it doesn't involve work(sheets).

I appreciate your acknowledgment that you're unfamiliar with the concept - too few on this board are willing to own up to it.

What I'm referring to by prioritizing a high floor over a high ceiling is the preference for financial security and stability over the pursuit of dreams and greatness. The two are not mutually exclusive goals but the tendency is for TJ parents to treat them as such and push their children toward the former.

you seem to mean well. but have no idea how dreams and greatness is achieved. it is never pretty.

It’s never pretty, but it also never involves parents forcing their kids into fields they don’t care about just to maintain a high floor for earning potential.

maybe. reflective of a scrappy immigrant population for whom education has been a key to achieving (or trying to achieve) the American dream. you will have more ballet dancers in the next generation.

Yeah. I buy that argument when you're talking about the under-resourced and economically disadvantaged Asian population that the new TJ admissions process was intended to - and successfully did! - help. (Remember, poor Asians were statistically the biggest beneficiaries of the new admissions process.)

I don't buy it when you're talking about families out in Ashburn who drive their kids to private school in their tricked-out Tesla while trying to shoehorn them into STEM.

Your selective choosing doesn't change the facts - these parents are mostly first gen immigrants. just because they are doing better than you, you are envious.

I highly doubt they’re doing better than me, based on how they treat their children. They might have more money than me, but I REALLY doubt that they’re doing better.

Clutching at straws.

Nope. Just really happy and fulfilled.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm glad you have no shame but you must have some niggling doubts and fears or else you wouldn't care if other people do the same.

None, none whatsoever!

Trying to help people wake up, and not leave their kids behind.

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Anonymous wrote:So absolutely absurd to not push kids to do advanced stuff. Especially since some average people are deciding the standards.

Push your kids to do well in school, on screener tests, and everywhere, becait will make them better at the end. They will learn about themselves the most.

Go for Algebra in 7th, even in 6th if you can.

LA should have better acceleration too.

Yes ! Yes ! Yes ! For goodness sake,where would Bill Gates be without a college degree ?! Push ! Push ! Push !

Bill Gates did programming in high school...when that was almost unheard of. sometimes it is good to be silent rather than parade your ignorance.

+1

Bill Gates was programming since he was 13 years old. He forgot to check his privilege, bow down to "equity officers" and stop his accelerated education. He should have studied "Equity, Inclusivity and Diversity".

Down with success.

These days, you get more "public support" if you are trans, queer or some minority group than if you are motivated passionate student.

That's what the pro-privilege parents like to tell themselves.

You are serious about "privilege" how about dropping preference for children of alumni at universities? That goes a long way in increasing the capacity that is available to others.

How about actually helping minorities and economically disadvantaged from pre-k and in FCPS from k onwards with extra additional support. Special after school programs, additional hours, tutors, etc. right from k. Actively put money towards education of these children, who deserve this kind of support at an early age which builds a solid foundation.

But no, what you want is really signal your woke status and pretend to help. Getting 50 kids to TJ from these groups would allow you to signal your own moral superiority. All the tens of thousands of other kids from these groups who need help are ignored. There is no story there.

My child and I help coach kids at an elementary school in math from 3rd grade and many kids show a big improvement and lose fear of math. Many are economically disadvantaged. Some actively love math competitions. It is very little effort on our part actually. FCPS could scale this 1000x with a little investment. But no this is too low level and not much woke signaling is possible here. So they would rather focus on getting a few more kids to TJ to signal their wokeness.

Good points. grunt work isn't woke/cool.

Agree, grunt work isn't cool, but if you're happy with your kid doing worksheets instead of learning something meaningful go for it.

This has always been my difficulty with the attitude of TJ parents. It always seems like they are more concerned with setting a high floor for their child's achievement and potential than cultivating the possibility of a high ceiling. It's as though they're terrified that if their child doesn't end up as a doctor, lawyer, or full-stack web developer, that they're going to be working at a 7-11 or a drive thru. It's so myopic and it results in their kids not achieving what they could.

The poster spoke about doing the grunt work early so that kids can be helped over a longer period of time, build a good foundation and lose their fear of math. You are just saying something different. some fancy high horse stuff. care to elaborate in any case - what is cultivating high ceiling? seems like fun. i am guessing it doesn't involve work(sheets).

I appreciate your acknowledgment that you're unfamiliar with the concept - too few on this board are willing to own up to it.

What I'm referring to by prioritizing a high floor over a high ceiling is the preference for financial security and stability over the pursuit of dreams and greatness. The two are not mutually exclusive goals but the tendency is for TJ parents to treat them as such and push their children toward the former.

you seem to mean well. but have no idea how dreams and greatness is achieved. it is never pretty.

It’s never pretty, but it also never involves parents forcing their kids into fields they don’t care about just to maintain a high floor for earning potential.

maybe. reflective of a scrappy immigrant population for whom education has been a key to achieving (or trying to achieve) the American dream. you will have more ballet dancers in the next generation.

Yeah. I buy that argument when you're talking about the under-resourced and economically disadvantaged Asian population that the new TJ admissions process was intended to - and successfully did! - help. (Remember, poor Asians were statistically the biggest beneficiaries of the new admissions process.)

I don't buy it when you're talking about families out in Ashburn who drive their kids to private school in their tricked-out Tesla while trying to shoehorn them into STEM.

Your selective choosing doesn't change the facts - these parents are mostly first gen immigrants. just because they are doing better than you, you are envious.

I highly doubt they’re doing better than me, based on how they treat their children. They might have more money than me, but I REALLY doubt that they’re doing better.

Clutching at straws.

Nope. Just really happy and fulfilled.

haha. just try having kids and staying married for a start. the bar is low for you.

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My kids do well at school and sports. I do nothing and do not pushing. I expect that they handle their studies and if they can’t, they know they can come to me for help. I don’t check if the homework is done and only see their grades when report cards are mailed. I believe in life balance and do not compare myself or my kids to other people. You do you. I don’t care if my kids end up at a community college. I started at a community college, transferred to a 4 year school, then PhD and now work in an executive role at a pharmaceutical company. I see no reason for pushing.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids do well at school and sports. I do nothing and do not pushing. I expect that they handle their studies and if they can’t, they know they can come to me for help. I don’t check if the homework is done and only see their grades when report cards are mailed. I believe in life balance and do not compare myself or my kids to other people. You do you. I don’t care if my kids end up at a community college. I started at a community college, transferred to a 4 year school, then PhD and now work in an executive role at a pharmaceutical company. I see no reason for pushing.

what you do may be considered pushing for many parents. and is privilege for sure. Phd parent who actually sees their kids report card. good for you and yur kids. they are definitely luckier than most.

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Anonymous wrote:So absolutely absurd to not push kids to do advanced stuff. Especially since some average people are deciding the standards.

Push your kids to do well in school, on screener tests, and everywhere, becait will make them better at the end. They will learn about themselves the most.

Go for Algebra in 7th, even in 6th if you can.

LA should have better acceleration too.

Yes ! Yes ! Yes ! For goodness sake,where would Bill Gates be without a college degree ?! Push ! Push ! Push !

Bill Gates did programming in high school...when that was almost unheard of. sometimes it is good to be silent rather than parade your ignorance.

+1

Bill Gates was programming since he was 13 years old. He forgot to check his privilege, bow down to "equity officers" and stop his accelerated education. He should have studied "Equity, Inclusivity and Diversity".

Down with success.

These days, you get more "public support" if you are trans, queer or some minority group than if you are motivated passionate student.

That's what the pro-privilege parents like to tell themselves.

You are serious about "privilege" how about dropping preference for children of alumni at universities? That goes a long way in increasing the capacity that is available to others.

How about actually helping minorities and economically disadvantaged from pre-k and in FCPS from k onwards with extra additional support. Special after school programs, additional hours, tutors, etc. right from k. Actively put money towards education of these children, who deserve this kind of support at an early age which builds a solid foundation.

But no, what you want is really signal your woke status and pretend to help. Getting 50 kids to TJ from these groups would allow you to signal your own moral superiority. All the tens of thousands of other kids from these groups who need help are ignored. There is no story there.

My child and I help coach kids at an elementary school in math from 3rd grade and many kids show a big improvement and lose fear of math. Many are economically disadvantaged. Some actively love math competitions. It is very little effort on our part actually. FCPS could scale this 1000x with a little investment. But no this is too low level and not much woke signaling is possible here. So they would rather focus on getting a few more kids to TJ to signal their wokeness.

Good points. grunt work isn't woke/cool.

Agree, grunt work isn't cool, but if you're happy with your kid doing worksheets instead of learning something meaningful go for it.

This has always been my difficulty with the attitude of TJ parents. It always seems like they are more concerned with setting a high floor for their child's achievement and potential than cultivating the possibility of a high ceiling. It's as though they're terrified that if their child doesn't end up as a doctor, lawyer, or full-stack web developer, that they're going to be working at a 7-11 or a drive thru. It's so myopic and it results in their kids not achieving what they could.

The poster spoke about doing the grunt work early so that kids can be helped over a longer period of time, build a good foundation and lose their fear of math. You are just saying something different. some fancy high horse stuff. care to elaborate in any case - what is cultivating high ceiling? seems like fun. i am guessing it doesn't involve work(sheets).

I appreciate your acknowledgment that you're unfamiliar with the concept - too few on this board are willing to own up to it.

What I'm referring to by prioritizing a high floor over a high ceiling is the preference for financial security and stability over the pursuit of dreams and greatness. The two are not mutually exclusive goals but the tendency is for TJ parents to treat them as such and push their children toward the former.

you seem to mean well. but have no idea how dreams and greatness is achieved. it is never pretty.

It’s never pretty, but it also never involves parents forcing their kids into fields they don’t care about just to maintain a high floor for earning potential.

maybe. reflective of a scrappy immigrant population for whom education has been a key to achieving (or trying to achieve) the American dream. you will have more ballet dancers in the next generation.

Yeah. I buy that argument when you're talking about the under-resourced and economically disadvantaged Asian population that the new TJ admissions process was intended to - and successfully did! - help. (Remember, poor Asians were statistically the biggest beneficiaries of the new admissions process.)

I don't buy it when you're talking about families out in Ashburn who drive their kids to private school in their tricked-out Tesla while trying to shoehorn them into STEM.

You represent the same type of entitled person who thought rich black people in tulsa shouldn't exist and therefore rioted to destroy it. now the target are Asians doing better than you. same racist thought process.

DP. You’re gonna have to show your work on that one because what you just said makes absolutely zero sense. There is no comparison between someone advocating for a policy that helps poor Asians and the burning of Black Wall Street.

The astroturf campaigns like the Coalition to preserve privilege at TJ are funded by the same people who advocate AGAINST teaching about Black Wall Street.

Makes absolute sense. Wokeness is just a cloak for racism among certain white liberals. They just can't stand Asians doing well.

I am Asian. This has nothing to do with keeping Asians down.

This is more about Woke agenda to get elected or be popular. I think many on this board want genuine reform and generally have goodwill towards all. Even the person I frequently call "retard" I am sure he/she means well and do not think they are racist in any way.

The issue really is Wokeness got so popular that every politician who wants to be elected on the Democratic side, they do stupid stunts like with TJ Admissions to show how much they care.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids do well at school and sports. I do nothing and do not pushing. I expect that they handle their studies and if they can’t, they know they can come to me for help. I don’t check if the homework is done and only see their grades when report cards are mailed. I believe in life balance and do not compare myself or my kids to other people. You do you. I don’t care if my kids end up at a community college. I started at a community college, transferred to a 4 year school, then PhD and now work in an executive role at a pharmaceutical company. I see no reason for pushing.

what you do may be considered pushing for many parents. and is privilege for sure. Phd parent who actually sees their kids report card. good for you and yur kids. they are definitely luckier than most.

Good for you but was really hoping for some good tips on how to push more effectively from the experts.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids do well at school and sports. I do nothing and do not pushing. I expect that they handle their studies and if they can’t, they know they can come to me for help. I don’t check if the homework is done and only see their grades when report cards are mailed. I believe in life balance and do not compare myself or my kids to other people. You do you. I don’t care if my kids end up at a community college. I started at a community college, transferred to a 4 year school, then PhD and now work in an executive role at a pharmaceutical company. I see no reason for pushing.

what you do may be considered pushing for many parents. and is privilege for sure. Phd parent who actually sees their kids report card. good for you and yur kids. they are definitely luckier than most.

Good for you but was really hoping for some good tips on how to push more effectively from the experts.

But you are pushing..that's the point. it is all relative

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Anonymous wrote:So absolutely absurd to not push kids to do advanced stuff. Especially since some average people are deciding the standards.

Push your kids to do well in school, on screener tests, and everywhere, becait will make them better at the end. They will learn about themselves the most.

Go for Algebra in 7th, even in 6th if you can.

LA should have better acceleration too.

Yes ! Yes ! Yes ! For goodness sake,where would Bill Gates be without a college degree ?! Push ! Push ! Push !

Bill Gates did programming in high school...when that was almost unheard of. sometimes it is good to be silent rather than parade your ignorance.

+1

Bill Gates was programming since he was 13 years old. He forgot to check his privilege, bow down to "equity officers" and stop his accelerated education. He should have studied "Equity, Inclusivity and Diversity".

Down with success.

These days, you get more "public support" if you are trans, queer or some minority group than if you are motivated passionate student.

That's what the pro-privilege parents like to tell themselves.

You are serious about "privilege" how about dropping preference for children of alumni at universities? That goes a long way in increasing the capacity that is available to others.

How about actually helping minorities and economically disadvantaged from pre-k and in FCPS from k onwards with extra additional support. Special after school programs, additional hours, tutors, etc. right from k. Actively put money towards education of these children, who deserve this kind of support at an early age which builds a solid foundation.

But no, what you want is really signal your woke status and pretend to help. Getting 50 kids to TJ from these groups would allow you to signal your own moral superiority. All the tens of thousands of other kids from these groups who need help are ignored. There is no story there.

My child and I help coach kids at an elementary school in math from 3rd grade and many kids show a big improvement and lose fear of math. Many are economically disadvantaged. Some actively love math competitions. It is very little effort on our part actually. FCPS could scale this 1000x with a little investment. But no this is too low level and not much woke signaling is possible here. So they would rather focus on getting a few more kids to TJ to signal their wokeness.

Good points. grunt work isn't woke/cool.

Agree, grunt work isn't cool, but if you're happy with your kid doing worksheets instead of learning something meaningful go for it.

This has always been my difficulty with the attitude of TJ parents. It always seems like they are more concerned with setting a high floor for their child's achievement and potential than cultivating the possibility of a high ceiling. It's as though they're terrified that if their child doesn't end up as a doctor, lawyer, or full-stack web developer, that they're going to be working at a 7-11 or a drive thru. It's so myopic and it results in their kids not achieving what they could.

The poster spoke about doing the grunt work early so that kids can be helped over a longer period of time, build a good foundation and lose their fear of math. You are just saying something different. some fancy high horse stuff. care to elaborate in any case - what is cultivating high ceiling? seems like fun. i am guessing it doesn't involve work(sheets).

I appreciate your acknowledgment that you're unfamiliar with the concept - too few on this board are willing to own up to it.

What I'm referring to by prioritizing a high floor over a high ceiling is the preference for financial security and stability over the pursuit of dreams and greatness. The two are not mutually exclusive goals but the tendency is for TJ parents to treat them as such and push their children toward the former.

you seem to mean well. but have no idea how dreams and greatness is achieved. it is never pretty.

It’s never pretty, but it also never involves parents forcing their kids into fields they don’t care about just to maintain a high floor for earning potential.

maybe. reflective of a scrappy immigrant population for whom education has been a key to achieving (or trying to achieve) the American dream. you will have more ballet dancers in the next generation.

Yeah. I buy that argument when you're talking about the under-resourced and economically disadvantaged Asian population that the new TJ admissions process was intended to - and successfully did! - help. (Remember, poor Asians were statistically the biggest beneficiaries of the new admissions process.)

I don't buy it when you're talking about families out in Ashburn who drive their kids to private school in their tricked-out Tesla while trying to shoehorn them into STEM.

You represent the same type of entitled person who thought rich black people in tulsa shouldn't exist and therefore rioted to destroy it. now the target are Asians doing better than you. same racist thought process.

DP. You’re gonna have to show your work on that one because what you just said makes absolutely zero sense. There is no comparison between someone advocating for a policy that helps poor Asians and the burning of Black Wall Street.

The astroturf campaigns like the Coalition to preserve privilege at TJ are funded by the same people who advocate AGAINST teaching about Black Wall Street.

Makes absolute sense. Wokeness is just a cloak for racism among certain white liberals. They just can't stand Asians doing well.

I am Asian. This has nothing to do with keeping Asians down.

This is more about Woke agenda to get elected or be popular. I think many on this board want genuine reform and generally have goodwill towards all. Even the person I frequently call "retard" I am sure he/she means well and do not think they are racist in any way.

The issue really is Wokeness got so popular that every politician who wants to be elected on the Democratic side, they do stupid stunts like with TJ Admissions to show how much they care.

You are just naive.

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Anonymous wrote:So absolutely absurd to not push kids to do advanced stuff. Especially since some average people are deciding the standards.

Push your kids to do well in school, on screener tests, and everywhere, becait will make them better at the end. They will learn about themselves the most.

Go for Algebra in 7th, even in 6th if you can.

LA should have better acceleration too.

Yes ! Yes ! Yes ! For goodness sake,where would Bill Gates be without a college degree ?! Push ! Push ! Push !

Bill Gates did programming in high school...when that was almost unheard of. sometimes it is good to be silent rather than parade your ignorance.

+1

Bill Gates was programming since he was 13 years old. He forgot to check his privilege, bow down to "equity officers" and stop his accelerated education. He should have studied "Equity, Inclusivity and Diversity".

Down with success.

These days, you get more "public support" if you are trans, queer or some minority group than if you are motivated passionate student.

That's what the pro-privilege parents like to tell themselves.

You are serious about "privilege" how about dropping preference for children of alumni at universities? That goes a long way in increasing the capacity that is available to others.

How about actually helping minorities and economically disadvantaged from pre-k and in FCPS from k onwards with extra additional support. Special after school programs, additional hours, tutors, etc. right from k. Actively put money towards education of these children, who deserve this kind of support at an early age which builds a solid foundation.

But no, what you want is really signal your woke status and pretend to help. Getting 50 kids to TJ from these groups would allow you to signal your own moral superiority. All the tens of thousands of other kids from these groups who need help are ignored. There is no story there.

My child and I help coach kids at an elementary school in math from 3rd grade and many kids show a big improvement and lose fear of math. Many are economically disadvantaged. Some actively love math competitions. It is very little effort on our part actually. FCPS could scale this 1000x with a little investment. But no this is too low level and not much woke signaling is possible here. So they would rather focus on getting a few more kids to TJ to signal their wokeness.

Good points. grunt work isn't woke/cool.

Agree, grunt work isn't cool, but if you're happy with your kid doing worksheets instead of learning something meaningful go for it.

This has always been my difficulty with the attitude of TJ parents. It always seems like they are more concerned with setting a high floor for their child's achievement and potential than cultivating the possibility of a high ceiling. It's as though they're terrified that if their child doesn't end up as a doctor, lawyer, or full-stack web developer, that they're going to be working at a 7-11 or a drive thru. It's so myopic and it results in their kids not achieving what they could.

The poster spoke about doing the grunt work early so that kids can be helped over a longer period of time, build a good foundation and lose their fear of math. You are just saying something different. some fancy high horse stuff. care to elaborate in any case - what is cultivating high ceiling? seems like fun. i am guessing it doesn't involve work(sheets).

I appreciate your acknowledgment that you're unfamiliar with the concept - too few on this board are willing to own up to it.

What I'm referring to by prioritizing a high floor over a high ceiling is the preference for financial security and stability over the pursuit of dreams and greatness. The two are not mutually exclusive goals but the tendency is for TJ parents to treat them as such and push their children toward the former.

you seem to mean well. but have no idea how dreams and greatness is achieved. it is never pretty.

It’s never pretty, but it also never involves parents forcing their kids into fields they don’t care about just to maintain a high floor for earning potential.

maybe. reflective of a scrappy immigrant population for whom education has been a key to achieving (or trying to achieve) the American dream. you will have more ballet dancers in the next generation.

Yeah. I buy that argument when you're talking about the under-resourced and economically disadvantaged Asian population that the new TJ admissions process was intended to - and successfully did! - help. (Remember, poor Asians were statistically the biggest beneficiaries of the new admissions process.)

I don't buy it when you're talking about families out in Ashburn who drive their kids to private school in their tricked-out Tesla while trying to shoehorn them into STEM.

You represent the same type of entitled person who thought rich black people in tulsa shouldn't exist and therefore rioted to destroy it. now the target are Asians doing better than you. same racist thought process.

DP. You’re gonna have to show your work on that one because what you just said makes absolutely zero sense. There is no comparison between someone advocating for a policy that helps poor Asians and the burning of Black Wall Street.

The astroturf campaigns like the Coalition to preserve privilege at TJ are funded by the same people who advocate AGAINST teaching about Black Wall Street.

Makes absolute sense. Wokeness is just a cloak for racism among certain white liberals. They just can't stand Asians doing well.

I am Asian. This has nothing to do with keeping Asians down.

This is more about Woke agenda to get elected or be popular. I think many on this board want genuine reform and generally have goodwill towards all. Even the person I frequently call "retard" I am sure he/she means well and do not think they are racist in any way.

The issue really is Wokeness got so popular that every politician who wants to be elected on the Democratic side, they do stupid stunts like with TJ Admissions to show how much they care.

You are just naive.

I think it's horrible that these woke politicians addressed the rampant cheating on the old TJ admissions process. This makes it so much harder to game now! I can't simply buy the answers from a prep center. My kids now have to go to the prep center to get help writing "their" essay.

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Anonymous wrote:So absolutely absurd to not push kids to do advanced stuff. Especially since some average people are deciding the standards.

Push your kids to do well in school, on screener tests, and everywhere, becait will make them better at the end. They will learn about themselves the most.

Go for Algebra in 7th, even in 6th if you can.

LA should have better acceleration too.

Yes ! Yes ! Yes ! For goodness sake,where would Bill Gates be without a college degree ?! Push ! Push ! Push !

Bill Gates did programming in high school...when that was almost unheard of. sometimes it is good to be silent rather than parade your ignorance.

+1

Bill Gates was programming since he was 13 years old. He forgot to check his privilege, bow down to "equity officers" and stop his accelerated education. He should have studied "Equity, Inclusivity and Diversity".

Down with success.

These days, you get more "public support" if you are trans, queer or some minority group than if you are motivated passionate student.

That's what the pro-privilege parents like to tell themselves.

You are serious about "privilege" how about dropping preference for children of alumni at universities? That goes a long way in increasing the capacity that is available to others.

How about actually helping minorities and economically disadvantaged from pre-k and in FCPS from k onwards with extra additional support. Special after school programs, additional hours, tutors, etc. right from k. Actively put money towards education of these children, who deserve this kind of support at an early age which builds a solid foundation.

But no, what you want is really signal your woke status and pretend to help. Getting 50 kids to TJ from these groups would allow you to signal your own moral superiority. All the tens of thousands of other kids from these groups who need help are ignored. There is no story there.

My child and I help coach kids at an elementary school in math from 3rd grade and many kids show a big improvement and lose fear of math. Many are economically disadvantaged. Some actively love math competitions. It is very little effort on our part actually. FCPS could scale this 1000x with a little investment. But no this is too low level and not much woke signaling is possible here. So they would rather focus on getting a few more kids to TJ to signal their wokeness.

Good points. grunt work isn't woke/cool.

Agree, grunt work isn't cool, but if you're happy with your kid doing worksheets instead of learning something meaningful go for it.

This has always been my difficulty with the attitude of TJ parents. It always seems like they are more concerned with setting a high floor for their child's achievement and potential than cultivating the possibility of a high ceiling. It's as though they're terrified that if their child doesn't end up as a doctor, lawyer, or full-stack web developer, that they're going to be working at a 7-11 or a drive thru. It's so myopic and it results in their kids not achieving what they could.

The poster spoke about doing the grunt work early so that kids can be helped over a longer period of time, build a good foundation and lose their fear of math. You are just saying something different. some fancy high horse stuff. care to elaborate in any case - what is cultivating high ceiling? seems like fun. i am guessing it doesn't involve work(sheets).

I appreciate your acknowledgment that you're unfamiliar with the concept - too few on this board are willing to own up to it.

What I'm referring to by prioritizing a high floor over a high ceiling is the preference for financial security and stability over the pursuit of dreams and greatness. The two are not mutually exclusive goals but the tendency is for TJ parents to treat them as such and push their children toward the former.

you seem to mean well. but have no idea how dreams and greatness is achieved. it is never pretty.

It’s never pretty, but it also never involves parents forcing their kids into fields they don’t care about just to maintain a high floor for earning potential.

maybe. reflective of a scrappy immigrant population for whom education has been a key to achieving (or trying to achieve) the American dream. you will have more ballet dancers in the next generation.

Yeah. I buy that argument when you're talking about the under-resourced and economically disadvantaged Asian population that the new TJ admissions process was intended to - and successfully did! - help. (Remember, poor Asians were statistically the biggest beneficiaries of the new admissions process.)

I don't buy it when you're talking about families out in Ashburn who drive their kids to private school in their tricked-out Tesla while trying to shoehorn them into STEM.

PP. You are being racist right now, regardless of how much your white self wants to deny it. If you faced even 25% of the discrimination that Asian-American professionals faced every day, you wouldn't bother posting such bigoted comments. Here's a peek, since you seem ignorant and oblivious:

The working Asian woman is often expected to be not only compliant and a workhorse but also neutral, innocuous, devoid of personality. To hire one of us is to hire someone you don’t have to worry about, as far as “bad behavior” goes, because we’re not really seen as people. The obvious but tedious fact is that some of us are conditioned to work much harder than others because some of us have a lot more to prove.


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I couldn’t help but be annoyed that, somehow, one of us had failed to live up to the image of the compliant Asian woman.

Millennial and woke culture demand that I not feel this way. I should push back against all stereotypes and force others to see Asians as much, much more. Of course, we are much, much more, but to erase the model minority completely would be to erase many people I know, including part of myself.

It would erase someone like my father, who, in China, in his thirties, wrote dozens of letters to Western professors, promising to work as hard as five grad students, etc., if his student visa was sponsored. My father ended up studying in Australia, where he impressed his adviser enough to earn a recommendation to a postdoctoral position in the States. Had my father not worked so hard to improve our means, would I have the luxury of writing these words about him today?


Source: https://www.newyorker.com/culture/personal-history/notes-on-work

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Anonymous wrote:So absolutely absurd to not push kids to do advanced stuff. Especially since some average people are deciding the standards.

Push your kids to do well in school, on screener tests, and everywhere, becait will make them better at the end. They will learn about themselves the most.

Go for Algebra in 7th, even in 6th if you can.

LA should have better acceleration too.

Yes ! Yes ! Yes ! For goodness sake,where would Bill Gates be without a college degree ?! Push ! Push ! Push !

Bill Gates did programming in high school...when that was almost unheard of. sometimes it is good to be silent rather than parade your ignorance.

+1

Bill Gates was programming since he was 13 years old. He forgot to check his privilege, bow down to "equity officers" and stop his accelerated education. He should have studied "Equity, Inclusivity and Diversity".

Down with success.

These days, you get more "public support" if you are trans, queer or some minority group than if you are motivated passionate student.

That's what the pro-privilege parents like to tell themselves.

You are serious about "privilege" how about dropping preference for children of alumni at universities? That goes a long way in increasing the capacity that is available to others.

How about actually helping minorities and economically disadvantaged from pre-k and in FCPS from k onwards with extra additional support. Special after school programs, additional hours, tutors, etc. right from k. Actively put money towards education of these children, who deserve this kind of support at an early age which builds a solid foundation.

But no, what you want is really signal your woke status and pretend to help. Getting 50 kids to TJ from these groups would allow you to signal your own moral superiority. All the tens of thousands of other kids from these groups who need help are ignored. There is no story there.

My child and I help coach kids at an elementary school in math from 3rd grade and many kids show a big improvement and lose fear of math. Many are economically disadvantaged. Some actively love math competitions. It is very little effort on our part actually. FCPS could scale this 1000x with a little investment. But no this is too low level and not much woke signaling is possible here. So they would rather focus on getting a few more kids to TJ to signal their wokeness.

Good points. grunt work isn't woke/cool.

Agree, grunt work isn't cool, but if you're happy with your kid doing worksheets instead of learning something meaningful go for it.

This has always been my difficulty with the attitude of TJ parents. It always seems like they are more concerned with setting a high floor for their child's achievement and potential than cultivating the possibility of a high ceiling. It's as though they're terrified that if their child doesn't end up as a doctor, lawyer, or full-stack web developer, that they're going to be working at a 7-11 or a drive thru. It's so myopic and it results in their kids not achieving what they could.

The poster spoke about doing the grunt work early so that kids can be helped over a longer period of time, build a good foundation and lose their fear of math. You are just saying something different. some fancy high horse stuff. care to elaborate in any case - what is cultivating high ceiling? seems like fun. i am guessing it doesn't involve work(sheets).

I appreciate your acknowledgment that you're unfamiliar with the concept - too few on this board are willing to own up to it.

What I'm referring to by prioritizing a high floor over a high ceiling is the preference for financial security and stability over the pursuit of dreams and greatness. The two are not mutually exclusive goals but the tendency is for TJ parents to treat them as such and push their children toward the former.

you seem to mean well. but have no idea how dreams and greatness is achieved. it is never pretty.

It’s never pretty, but it also never involves parents forcing their kids into fields they don’t care about just to maintain a high floor for earning potential.

maybe. reflective of a scrappy immigrant population for whom education has been a key to achieving (or trying to achieve) the American dream. you will have more ballet dancers in the next generation.

Yeah. I buy that argument when you're talking about the under-resourced and economically disadvantaged Asian population that the new TJ admissions process was intended to - and successfully did! - help. (Remember, poor Asians were statistically the biggest beneficiaries of the new admissions process.)

I don't buy it when you're talking about families out in Ashburn who drive their kids to private school in their tricked-out Tesla while trying to shoehorn them into STEM.

Your selective choosing doesn't change the facts - these parents are mostly first gen immigrants. just because they are doing better than you, you are envious.

I highly doubt they’re doing better than me, based on how they treat their children. They might have more money than me, but I REALLY doubt that they’re doing better.

Clutching at straws.

Nope. Just really happy and fulfilled.

PP. You are being racist right now, regardless of how much your white self wants to deny it. If you faced even 25% of the discrimination that Asian-American professionals faced every day, you wouldn't bother posting such bigoted comments. Here's a peek, since you seem ignorant and oblivious:

The working Asian woman is often expected to be not only compliant and a workhorse but also neutral, innocuous, devoid of personality. To hire one of us is to hire someone you don’t have to worry about, as far as “bad behavior” goes, because we’re not really seen as people. The obvious but tedious fact is that some of us are conditioned to work much harder than others because some of us have a lot more to prove.


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I couldn’t help but be annoyed that, somehow, one of us had failed to live up to the image of the compliant Asian woman.

Millennial and woke culture demand that I not feel this way. I should push back against all stereotypes and force others to see Asians as much, much more. Of course, we are much, much more, but to erase the model minority completely would be to erase many people I know, including part of myself.

It would erase someone like my father, who, in China, in his thirties, wrote dozens of letters to Western professors, promising to work as hard as five grad students, etc., if his student visa was sponsored. My father ended up studying in Australia, where he impressed his adviser enough to earn a recommendation to a postdoctoral position in the States. Had my father not worked so hard to improve our means, would I have the luxury of writing these words about him today?


Source: https://www.newyorker.com/culture/personal-history/notes-on-work

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Anonymous wrote:So absolutely absurd to not push kids to do advanced stuff. Especially since some average people are deciding the standards.

Push your kids to do well in school, on screener tests, and everywhere, becait will make them better at the end. They will learn about themselves the most.

Go for Algebra in 7th, even in 6th if you can.

LA should have better acceleration too.

Yes ! Yes ! Yes ! For goodness sake,where would Bill Gates be without a college degree ?! Push ! Push ! Push !

Bill Gates did programming in high school...when that was almost unheard of. sometimes it is good to be silent rather than parade your ignorance.

+1

Bill Gates was programming since he was 13 years old. He forgot to check his privilege, bow down to "equity officers" and stop his accelerated education. He should have studied "Equity, Inclusivity and Diversity".

Down with success.

These days, you get more "public support" if you are trans, queer or some minority group than if you are motivated passionate student.

That's what the pro-privilege parents like to tell themselves.

You are serious about "privilege" how about dropping preference for children of alumni at universities? That goes a long way in increasing the capacity that is available to others.

How about actually helping minorities and economically disadvantaged from pre-k and in FCPS from k onwards with extra additional support. Special after school programs, additional hours, tutors, etc. right from k. Actively put money towards education of these children, who deserve this kind of support at an early age which builds a solid foundation.

But no, what you want is really signal your woke status and pretend to help. Getting 50 kids to TJ from these groups would allow you to signal your own moral superiority. All the tens of thousands of other kids from these groups who need help are ignored. There is no story there.

My child and I help coach kids at an elementary school in math from 3rd grade and many kids show a big improvement and lose fear of math. Many are economically disadvantaged. Some actively love math competitions. It is very little effort on our part actually. FCPS could scale this 1000x with a little investment. But no this is too low level and not much woke signaling is possible here. So they would rather focus on getting a few more kids to TJ to signal their wokeness.

Good points. grunt work isn't woke/cool.

Agree, grunt work isn't cool, but if you're happy with your kid doing worksheets instead of learning something meaningful go for it.

This has always been my difficulty with the attitude of TJ parents. It always seems like they are more concerned with setting a high floor for their child's achievement and potential than cultivating the possibility of a high ceiling. It's as though they're terrified that if their child doesn't end up as a doctor, lawyer, or full-stack web developer, that they're going to be working at a 7-11 or a drive thru. It's so myopic and it results in their kids not achieving what they could.

The poster spoke about doing the grunt work early so that kids can be helped over a longer period of time, build a good foundation and lose their fear of math. You are just saying something different. some fancy high horse stuff. care to elaborate in any case - what is cultivating high ceiling? seems like fun. i am guessing it doesn't involve work(sheets).

I appreciate your acknowledgment that you're unfamiliar with the concept - too few on this board are willing to own up to it.

What I'm referring to by prioritizing a high floor over a high ceiling is the preference for financial security and stability over the pursuit of dreams and greatness. The two are not mutually exclusive goals but the tendency is for TJ parents to treat them as such and push their children toward the former.

you seem to mean well. but have no idea how dreams and greatness is achieved. it is never pretty.

It’s never pretty, but it also never involves parents forcing their kids into fields they don’t care about just to maintain a high floor for earning potential.

maybe. reflective of a scrappy immigrant population for whom education has been a key to achieving (or trying to achieve) the American dream. you will have more ballet dancers in the next generation.

Yeah. I buy that argument when you're talking about the under-resourced and economically disadvantaged Asian population that the new TJ admissions process was intended to - and successfully did! - help. (Remember, poor Asians were statistically the biggest beneficiaries of the new admissions process.)

I don't buy it when you're talking about families out in Ashburn who drive their kids to private school in their tricked-out Tesla while trying to shoehorn them into STEM.

Your selective choosing doesn't change the facts - these parents are mostly first gen immigrants. just because they are doing better than you, you are envious.

I highly doubt they’re doing better than me, based on how they treat their children. They might have more money than me, but I REALLY doubt that they’re doing better.

Clutching at straws.

Nope. Just really happy and fulfilled.

PP. You are being racist right now, regardless of how much your white self wants to deny it. If you faced even 25% of the discrimination that Asian-American professionals faced every day, you wouldn't bother posting such bigoted comments. Here's a peek, since you seem ignorant and oblivious:

The working Asian woman is often expected to be not only compliant and a workhorse but also neutral, innocuous, devoid of personality. To hire one of us is to hire someone you don’t have to worry about, as far as “bad behavior” goes, because we’re not really seen as people. The obvious but tedious fact is that some of us are conditioned to work much harder than others because some of us have a lot more to prove.


[…]


I couldn’t help but be annoyed that, somehow, one of us had failed to live up to the image of the compliant Asian woman.

Millennial and woke culture demand that I not feel this way. I should push back against all stereotypes and force others to see Asians as much, much more. Of course, we are much, much more, but to erase the model minority completely would be to erase many people I know, including part of myself.

It would erase someone like my father, who, in China, in his thirties, wrote dozens of letters to Western professors, promising to work as hard as five grad students, etc., if his student visa was sponsored. My father ended up studying in Australia, where he impressed his adviser enough to earn a recommendation to a postdoctoral position in the States. Had my father not worked so hard to improve our means, would I have the luxury of writing these words about him today?


Source: https://www.newyorker.com/culture/personal-history/notes-on-work

PP. None of this is news to me, and none of it is relevant to this conversation.

I do not have a problem with Asian-American people. I have a problem with people who insist that the only acceptable ways to evaluate students for their suitability for an outstanding academic environment are measures that can be deeply influenced by wealth and family privilege. A fair number of those people are not Asians.

And a very strong number of the people who agree with me in my endeavors - which, to your chagrin, have been largely successful - are Asian themselves.

The key variable for me is your attitude, not your race. If you are a person who believes that exclusive access to elite educational opportunities should be added to the laundry list of other societal advantages enjoyed by people with high amounts of disposable income, then you and I are not going to agree on much.

But if the majority of the people who hold that backwards attitude happen to be Asian, understand that your race is not the reason for my animus towards you. It's your feudalist belief that the family into which you're born should determine your future.