Should FCPS Reassign New Affordable Housing from Marshall to Langley?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:.

This is simple. FCPS can decide whether the Langley pyramid, which has more capacity than others near Tysons, should take on these additional students, or not. If not, they should budgeting now to add capacity to schools in other pyramids. The fact that you're so overwrought about it doesn't make it any more complicated.

If you are talking about future capacity (which is the only thing relevant to a discussion of future development), Madison is projected to have much more capacity than Langley post-renovation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:.

This is simple. FCPS can decide whether the Langley pyramid, which has more capacity than others near Tysons, should take on these additional students, or not. If not, they should budgeting now to add capacity to schools in other pyramids. The fact that you're so overwrought about it doesn't make it any more complicated.

If you are talking about future capacity (which is the only thing relevant to a discussion of future development), Madison is projected to have much more capacity than Langley post-renovation.

The area in question is contiguous to Langley's boundaries, not Madison's.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: Great Falls wants to keep Langley below capacity indefinitely for reasons that are obvious, but at some point the adults need to say enough is enough.

For reference, approximately 50% of Langley's current student body feeds from Great Falls (GFES, Forestville, and the Great Falls part of Colvin Run). Regardless of what anyone wants, FCPS isn't magically reassigning Great Falls away from Langley. You would need to find ~1,000 HS kids to fill that gap.

As much as you might want it to be otherwise, FCPS also isn't moving Forestville (the ES farthest from Langley) out of Langley anytime soon. That would only be done in connection with a wholesale boundary change and I assure you there is no appetite for that (on the school board, across the general population, or otherwise). Maybe when the mythical Western High School is built. But that is many years out.

With regard to the Tyson's development that's the genesis of this discussion, it seems premature when construction isn't even slated to begin until sometime in 2023 (which means it won't open until at least 2024). Why on earth would the school board take on a potentially complicated boundary issue that is not even ripe? That would be a political landmine. It makes no sense.

(And, because I know that the most common response to posts here is the personal attack: I have no horse in this race and personally could not care less about the demographics of any HS student body.)

Your timeline is only 2 years out... but sure, they should just punt a decision because they can and wait until people have actually started moving in and the issue becomes more contentious... THEN make a decision for which very little additional salient information has arrived. Seems to be the School Board's MO.

There is literally no political benefit for them to take on a potentially contentious issue now. Plenty can happen in two years. The issue does not affect anyone at any FCPS school today. That is likely why it's only being discussed on an anonymous message.

THIS x 100

THIS is actually what people who just want to run out the clock so that they don't have to risk some poors attending their precious isolated Langley would say. If they're going to make a decision to shift it, they should do it within the next 12 months, which means starting the discussion now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:.

This is simple. FCPS can decide whether the Langley pyramid, which has more capacity than others near Tysons, should take on these additional students, or not. If not, they should budgeting now to add capacity to schools in other pyramids. The fact that you're so overwrought about it doesn't make it any more complicated.

If you are talking about future capacity (which is the only thing relevant to a discussion of future development), Madison is projected to have much more capacity than Langley post-renovation.

The area in question is contiguous to Langley's boundaries, not Madison's.

The area in question is actually contiguous to McLean's boundaries, not Langley's, thanks to Tholen's boundary shift switcheroo last year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:.

This is simple. FCPS can decide whether the Langley pyramid, which has more capacity than others near Tysons, should take on these additional students, or not. If not, they should budgeting now to add capacity to schools in other pyramids. The fact that you're so overwrought about it doesn't make it any more complicated.

If you are talking about future capacity (which is the only thing relevant to a discussion of future development), Madison is projected to have much more capacity than Langley post-renovation.

The area in question is contiguous to Langley's boundaries, not Madison's.

The area in question is actually contiguous to McLean's boundaries, not Langley's, thanks to Tholen's boundary shift switcheroo last year.

It's actually now contiguous to both Langley's boundaries (to the northwest) and McLean's boundaries (to the east), thanks to Tholen's boundary change.

And McLean has no capacity but like Marshall (and unlike Langley) has plenty of apartments in Tysons and Merrifield.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Great Falls wants to keep Langley below capacity indefinitely for reasons that are obvious, but at some point the adults need to say enough is enough.

For reference, approximately 50% of Langley's current student body feeds from Great Falls (GFES, Forestville, and the Great Falls part of Colvin Run). Regardless of what anyone wants, FCPS isn't magically reassigning Great Falls away from Langley. You would need to find ~1,000 HS kids to fill that gap.

As much as you might want it to be otherwise, FCPS also isn't moving Forestville (the ES farthest from Langley) out of Langley anytime soon. That would only be done in connection with a wholesale boundary change and I assure you there is no appetite for that (on the school board, across the general population, or otherwise). Maybe when the mythical Western High School is built. But that is many years out.

With regard to the Tyson's development that's the genesis of this discussion, it seems premature when construction isn't even slated to begin until sometime in 2023 (which means it won't open until at least 2024). Why on earth would the school board take on a potentially complicated boundary issue that is not even ripe? That would be a political landmine. It makes no sense.

(And, because I know that the most common response to posts here is the personal attack: I have no horse in this race and personally could not care less about the demographics of any HS student body.)

Your timeline is only 2 years out... but sure, they should just punt a decision because they can and wait until people have actually started moving in and the issue becomes more contentious... THEN make a decision for which very little additional salient information has arrived. Seems to be the School Board's MO.

There is literally no political benefit for them to take on a potentially contentious issue now. Plenty can happen in two years. The issue does not affect anyone at any FCPS school today. That is likely why it's only being discussed on an anonymous message.

THIS x 100

THIS is actually what people who just want to run out the clock so that they don't have to risk some poors attending their precious isolated Langley would say. If they're going to make a decision to shift it, they should do it within the next 12 months, which means starting the discussion now.

Bingo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:.

This is simple. FCPS can decide whether the Langley pyramid, which has more capacity than others near Tysons, should take on these additional students, or not. If not, they should budgeting now to add capacity to schools in other pyramids. The fact that you're so overwrought about it doesn't make it any more complicated.

If you are talking about future capacity (which is the only thing relevant to a discussion of future development), Madison is projected to have much more capacity than Langley post-renovation.

The area in question is contiguous to Langley's boundaries, not Madison's.

The area in question is actually contiguous to McLean's boundaries, not Langley's, thanks to Tholen's boundary shift switcheroo last year.

This is correct. The development abuts McLean’s boundary, which is on the other side of Route 7. It is close to both Madison’s boundary (about 1/2 mile away, on the other side of Old Courthouse Road) and to Langley’s boundary (on the other side of the Toll Road, about 1/4 mile away). However, it only supports PP’s straw man to focus on the Langley boundary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Great Falls wants to keep Langley below capacity indefinitely for reasons that are obvious, but at some point the adults need to say enough is enough.

For reference, approximately 50% of Langley's current student body feeds from Great Falls (GFES, Forestville, and the Great Falls part of Colvin Run). Regardless of what anyone wants, FCPS isn't magically reassigning Great Falls away from Langley. You would need to find ~1,000 HS kids to fill that gap.

As much as you might want it to be otherwise, FCPS also isn't moving Forestville (the ES farthest from Langley) out of Langley anytime soon. That would only be done in connection with a wholesale boundary change and I assure you there is no appetite for that (on the school board, across the general population, or otherwise). Maybe when the mythical Western High School is built. But that is many years out.

With regard to the Tyson's development that's the genesis of this discussion, it seems premature when construction isn't even slated to begin until sometime in 2023 (which means it won't open until at least 2024). Why on earth would the school board take on a potentially complicated boundary issue that is not even ripe? That would be a political landmine. It makes no sense.

(And, because I know that the most common response to posts here is the personal attack: I have no horse in this race and personally could not care less about the demographics of any HS student body.)

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All of the above is accurate. Thank you for bringing some logic and sanity to this thread. Be prepared to be called all kinds of names by those who continue to throw their tantrums on anonymous message boards rather than lobbying the actual SB.

You have no idea who is or will be lobbying "the actual SB" behind the scenes. You simply want to try and squelch any discussion of topics you don't happen to like on this forum.

And YOU have no idea who is posting on this thread and what schools their kids attend. You simply want to blame any disagreement on Langley parents. I assure you - your obsession with that school is only making people take you less and less seriously. Good luck to you.

Of all the folks who should be throwing a pity party, Langley parents come last.

This is simple. FCPS can decide whether the Langley pyramid, which has more capacity than others near Tysons, should take on these additional students, or not. If not, they should budgeting now to add capacity to schools in other pyramids. The fact that you're so overwrought about it doesn't make it any more complicated.

Talk about overwrought and pity parties... you're the one who has been gnashing your teeth, day after day, night after night about this issue. No one else cares, I assure you. Godspeed!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:.

This is simple. FCPS can decide whether the Langley pyramid, which has more capacity than others near Tysons, should take on these additional students, or not. If not, they should budgeting now to add capacity to schools in other pyramids. The fact that you're so overwrought about it doesn't make it any more complicated.

If you are talking about future capacity (which is the only thing relevant to a discussion of future development), Madison is projected to have much more capacity than Langley post-renovation.

The area in question is contiguous to Langley's boundaries, not Madison's.

The area in question is actually contiguous to McLean's boundaries, not Langley's, thanks to Tholen's boundary shift switcheroo last year.

This is correct. The development abuts McLean’s boundary, which is on the other side of Route 7. It is close to both Madison’s boundary (about 1/2 mile away, on the other side of Old Courthouse Road) and to Langley’s boundary (on the other side of the Toll Road, about 1/4 mile away). However, it only supports PP’s straw man to focus on the Langley boundary.

There’s no impediment to extending Langley’s boundaries across the Toll Road down to Spring Hill Road. In fact, the new buildings will be much closer to Langley than many current Langley-zoned neighborhoods on the other side of the Toll Road.

Your efforts to manufacture reasons why assigning these buildings to Langley would somehow be illogical border on the absurd. For all your cheap talk about how Langley would have no problems with kids living in apartments, your posts make clear you’d go to extreme lengths to try and derail it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The county is planning to build 500 units of new affordable housing in Tysons in the Marshall HS district:

https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/housing/news/2022/media-advisory-affordable-housing-in-tysons

This is new housing so there are no existing residents with ties to particular schools.

As I understand it, Marshall is at capacity and it’s quite hard to place into Marshall now for IB. Langley on the other hand is still below capacity. Would this not be a good opportunity for FCPS to honor its commitment to equity and One Fairfax by assigning this new development to Langley?

Espeically if Langely has lower FARMS rate it sounds like a good way to improve SES diveristy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you look on a map, this school is closest to Marshall. Why wouldn't the obvious answer be to expand Marshall? I don't understand why this is a hot button issue at all.

Is Marshall at capacity? If so, why would FCPS spend money on an expansion when there is an undercapacity school (Langley) within reasonable distance? Which school would be bumped down the renovation queue to get Marshall more space?

Because Langley is farther out than the other high schools. Five miles. Not happening

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The county is planning to build 500 units of new affordable housing in Tysons in the Marshall HS district:

https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/housing/news/2022/media-advisory-affordable-housing-in-tysons

This is new housing so there are no existing residents with ties to particular schools.

As I understand it, Marshall is at capacity and it’s quite hard to place into Marshall now for IB. Langley on the other hand is still below capacity. Would this not be a good opportunity for FCPS to honor its commitment to equity and One Fairfax by assigning this new development to Langley?

Espeically if Langely has lower FARMS rate it sounds like a good way to improve SES diveristy.

I agree with you and the more the Langley posters keep declaring it could never happen the more I think it should. Aren’t there already kids living almost in Sterling at Langley?

[Anonymous]

What elementary and middle school would this feed into?

[Anonymous]

It’s OK for kids to travel 12 miles to Langley as long as they live in expensive houses. If they live in apartments 5 miles away the distance is a problem. LOL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The county is planning to build 500 units of new affordable housing in Tysons in the Marshall HS district:

https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/housing/news/2022/media-advisory-affordable-housing-in-tysons

This is new housing so there are no existing residents with ties to particular schools.

As I understand it, Marshall is at capacity and it’s quite hard to place into Marshall now for IB. Langley on the other hand is still below capacity. Would this not be a good opportunity for FCPS to honor its commitment to equity and One Fairfax by assigning this new development to Langley?

Espeically if Langely has lower FARMS rate it sounds like a good way to improve SES diveristy.

Honestly if Langley parents could read the societal cards they'd realize that these students would HELP their students in college admissions and likely have little impact on their children's experience of school quality. In high school--unlike gen ed in ES--students are tracked by the courses they take. Only the higher achieving lower SES kids would be in the courses that most Langley students are taking now--and they'd likely be a great example because they are succeeding with less privilege. (There might even be social benefits--your kid won't gripe that everybody else goes skiing in Colorado, vacationing in Europe, wears x, y and z designer etc. because there's more of a SES range).

Low SES diversity means that your UMC relatively weaker student ends up falling below the GPA and SAT mean just because everyone is a such a strong student. Students are assessed in the context of their school. Likewise course rigor. If it's the norm to take 10 APs and your kid isn't, they are ranked as not taking the most rigorous course load. But the percentages shift with SES diversity and the most rigorous courseload criteria becomes a little looser. Even the highest students look better when there is a wider range.

My hope is that the students who come would integrate well and benefit from the strongest education--and many likely will. But, really, I think the highest gain would be for the higher SES kids in the school.