Another Black Eye for Penn

[Anonymous]

The prosecutor's damning assessment and cousin Colleen's account don't fit the narrative.

Quick, throw up a smokescreen! If you go on the attack, then they are on the defense. Post, like, five or six times in a row and -- well, you got it down, now.

Just don't mention anything about that lie on the application, though -- the one where she is supposedly providing for a disabled sister and needs more money. Maybe they will forget about it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Rich white teens with As and Bs and an average SAT/ACT score do not get into Ivy League colleges*. Not even close. Let alone for free.

As and Bs and an average SAT/ACT gets UMC teens from St Louis into the Honors College at University of Missouri.

*Unless you're Jared Kushner and your dad makes a $2.5 million pledge to Harvard: https://www.propublica.org/article/the-story-behind-jared-kushners-curious-acceptance-into-harvard

Ivies do not give merit scholarships.

Ivies are free if you’re rich but can use lies, rhetoric and stretched technicalities to pretend you’re poor, first generation and a ghost with no family.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The prosecutor's damning assessment and cousin Colleen's account don't fit the narrative.

Quick, throw up a smokescreen! If you go on the attack, then they are on the defense. Post, like, five or six times in a row and -- well, you got it down, now.

Just don't mention anything about that lie on the application, though -- the one where she is supposedly providing for a disabled sister and needs more money. Maybe they will forget about it.

What was her likely motive to lie on multiple financial aid forms about the sister? That is what stuck out with me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You sit for exams in 10th and early 11th grade, so before she would have been technically in the foster system. No PSAT, no SAT, no ACT, no National Merit Semifinalist or Finalist? But she was quick to get the reporter a copy of her transcript to show off inflated A's?

She graduated summa cum laude from Penn- I doubt she had crappy SAT scores. But who cares? She clearly did very well academically at Penn!

She's obviously a smart and hardworking student who was planning to use her Ivy League education to (checks notes) do social work. If she was really trying to con them, what a weird and benevolent con! "Haha I'll lie to get into this university so that I can spend my life making almost no money and helping kids in foster care!" What a devious mastermind.

Seriously, the argument that Mackenzie was just pulling a fast one make no sense. Why work so hard in school? Why get genuinely involved in programs to help kids in foster care and others who have been exploited and abused? Why pursue a non-lucrative graduate degree in a helping field?

Also, she obviously had the high school grades (at an elite prep school) to get into a good college. If she just wanted a free ride, why not just play nice with her supposedly non-abusive mother, who would have paid her way, I'm sure?

Right. There's no difference between "a life making almost no money and helping kids in foster care" and courting fame with an avowed eye toward making policy by "working in federal government?" Interesting.



"She added that she would either like to start her own organization or work in the federal government to create more policies to benefit foster youth."
https://www.thedp.com/article/2020/11/penn-rhodes-scholar-mackenzie-fierceton-university-of-oxford

Just a wooowly lil social workuh. Yup.

+1. Her major was POLITICAL SCIENCE. Social work master’s was just a way to establish her “narrative” for the Rhodes app and later segue into politics. And presumably the MSW was basically free, so why not get it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The prosecutor's damning assessment and cousin Colleen's account don't fit the narrative.

Quick, throw up a smokescreen! If you go on the attack, then they are on the defense. Post, like, five or six times in a row and -- well, you got it down, now.

Just don't mention anything about that lie on the application, though -- the one where she is supposedly providing for a disabled sister and needs more money. Maybe they will forget about it.

What was her likely motive to lie on multiple financial aid forms about the sister? That is what stuck out with me.

It's a very good question. There are several good questions, but they are not being answered.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is the mom's boyfriend:
https://stlsportspage.com/2022/01/17/henry-lovelace-owner-of-wild-horse-fitness-passes-away/

Interesting choice for a respected doctor. Anyhow, this is the man she trusted over her daughter. And called the police on in a separate event. This article says he was hard on his clients. He did train with Mackenzie. Do you all believe he was 100% appropriate with her? Does the mom claim the forcible touching did not happen? If so, I missed that.

I’m no fan of tattoos but how can you read that and not come away that he seems like a good man with a decades-long career and two adult kids and even an ex wife who speak very highly of him? Sounds like you have personal biases and motives in play here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The prosecutor's damning assessment and cousin Colleen's account don't fit the narrative.

Quick, throw up a smokescreen! If you go on the attack, then they are on the defense. Post, like, five or six times in a row and -- well, you got it down, now.

Just don't mention anything about that lie on the application, though -- the one where she is supposedly providing for a disabled sister and needs more money. Maybe they will forget about it.

What was her likely motive to lie on multiple financial aid forms about the sister? That is what stuck out with me.

It's a very good question. There are several good questions, but they are not being answered.

A [failed] attempt to get more institutional aid i.e. larger refunds from Penn?

[Anonymous]

If she’s so “poor” can you all who apparently know her tell us all about all of the grueling jobs she has had from age 16 to age 25? Waitressing, landscaping, retail, door dash, serving food in a Penn cafeteria?

Outside of being a career student on other people’s dime, I haven’t seen any mention of an actual job to earn money. You know, like genuine poor kids have to do.

[Anonymous]

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[Re Re: What was her likely motive to lie on multiple financial aid forms about the sister? That is what stuck out with me]

[Re: It's a very good question. There are several good questions, but they are not being answered.]

A [failed] attempt to get more institutional aid i.e. larger refunds from Penn?

I don't think we've heard the answer yet from her or her supporters. Maybe they would like to weigh in with the innocent explanation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The prosecutor's damning assessment and cousin Colleen's account don't fit the narrative.

Quick, throw up a smokescreen! If you go on the attack, then they are on the defense. Post, like, five or six times in a row and -- well, you got it down, now.

Just don't mention anything about that lie on the application, though -- the one where she is supposedly providing for a disabled sister and needs more money. Maybe they will forget about it.

This. It's very common for trial lawyers to do this - set up a story in advance of settlement or a trial to make the defendant look bad. It's called "Trying the Case in the Media" and it's done all the time. Interestingly,t he Oxford Blues said today in an interview with her that she had an agreement with the New Yorker that she wouldn't talk to any other publication until the New Yorker piece came out. That tells she may have sold the story. In any event, a story like this is aimed to put pressure on Penn to settle - or if they don't settle - to taint the jury. Very common.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the mom's boyfriend:
https://stlsportspage.com/2022/01/17/henry-lovelace-owner-of-wild-horse-fitness-passes-away/

Interesting choice for a respected doctor. Anyhow, this is the man she trusted over her daughter. And called the police on in a separate event. This article says he was hard on his clients. He did train with Mackenzie. Do you all believe he was 100% appropriate with her? Does the mom claim the forcible touching did not happen? If so, I missed that.

I’m no fan of tattoos but how can you read that and not come away that he seems like a good man with a decades-long career and two adult kids and even an ex wife who speak very highly of him? Sounds like you have personal biases and motives in play here.

A good man who the mom and other women called the cops on? That’s an obituary not a real bio. I seriously wonder if the mom has hired a pr firm to destroy her daughter for half these posts. Even if your daughter had made all this up wouldn’t you just cut her off after you fought for your innocence? Instead the mom goes to great efforts to sabotage her daughter’s new life. Seems like classic abuser/controller behavior. It comes down to who do you believe, the mom or the daughter. The mom’s behavior is like a psychopath. The daughter probably has issues too but doesn’t deserve a mom like that.

[Anonymous]

I really hope UPenn will have to pay out in the millions to Mackenzie...and more importantly, I hope they are forced to formally apologize. Sharmeful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the mom's boyfriend:
https://stlsportspage.com/2022/01/17/henry-lovelace-owner-of-wild-horse-fitness-passes-away/

Interesting choice for a respected doctor. Anyhow, this is the man she trusted over her daughter. And called the police on in a separate event. This article says he was hard on his clients. He did train with Mackenzie. Do you all believe he was 100% appropriate with her? Does the mom claim the forcible touching did not happen? If so, I missed that.

I’m no fan of tattoos but how can you read that and not come away that he seems like a good man with a decades-long career and two adult kids and even an ex wife who speak very highly of him? Sounds like you have personal biases and motives in play here.

A good man who the mom and other women called the cops on? That’s an obituary not a real bio. I seriously wonder if the mom has hired a pr firm to destroy her daughter for half these posts. Even if your daughter had made all this up wouldn’t you just cut her off after you fought for your innocence? Instead the mom goes to great efforts to sabotage her daughter’s new life. Seems like classic abuser/controller behavior. It comes down to who do you believe, the mom or the daughter. The mom’s behavior is like a psychopath. The daughter probably has issues too but doesn’t deserve a mom like that.

Agreed. It is passing strange that unattached strangers would be so emotionally invested in this story that they would go to such lengths to disparage the daughter on an anonymous message board, and profess to be so emotionally invested in the matter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the mom's boyfriend:
https://stlsportspage.com/2022/01/17/henry-lovelace-owner-of-wild-horse-fitness-passes-away/

Interesting choice for a respected doctor. Anyhow, this is the man she trusted over her daughter. And called the police on in a separate event. This article says he was hard on his clients. He did train with Mackenzie. Do you all believe he was 100% appropriate with her? Does the mom claim the forcible touching did not happen? If so, I missed that.

I’m no fan of tattoos but how can you read that and not come away that he seems like a good man with a decades-long career and two adult kids and even an ex wife who speak very highly of him? Sounds like you have personal biases and motives in play here.

A good man who the mom and other women called the cops on? That’s an obituary not a real bio. I seriously wonder if the mom has hired a pr firm to destroy her daughter for half these posts. Even if your daughter had made all this up wouldn’t you just cut her off after you fought for your innocence? Instead the mom goes to great efforts to sabotage her daughter’s new life. Seems like classic abuser/controller behavior. It comes down to who do you believe, the mom or the daughter. The mom’s behavior is like a psychopath. The daughter probably has issues too but doesn’t deserve a mom like that.

The mom claims they were two peas in a pod. Perhaps she is right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The prosecutor's damning assessment and cousin Colleen's account don't fit the narrative.

Quick, throw up a smokescreen! If you go on the attack, then they are on the defense. Post, like, five or six times in a row and -- well, you got it down, now.

Just don't mention anything about that lie on the application, though -- the one where she is supposedly providing for a disabled sister and needs more money. Maybe they will forget about it.

This. It's very common for trial lawyers to do this - set up a story in advance of settlement or a trial to make the defendant look bad. It's called "Trying the Case in the Media" and it's done all the time. Interestingly,t he Oxford Blues said today in an interview with her that she had an agreement with the New Yorker that she wouldn't talk to any other publication until the New Yorker piece came out. That tells she may have sold the story. In any event, a story like this is aimed to put pressure on Penn to settle - or if they don't settle - to taint the jury. Very common.

I do hope it goes to trial. The stuff behind the smokescreens comes out at trial.

I highly doubt Penn isn't absolutely certain they have their ducks in a row. As for Fierceton? Trying the case in the media is one thing -- speaking under oath in court is another. It would be interesting.