For parents that were shocked their kids didn't get accepted...

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Anonymous wrote:My son was pretty aggressive with his applications. With one exception, all of his applications were to schools which definitely reject most of their applicants. He has been admitted to four schools (including the safety). They are good schools, but perhaps not tippy top from a rankings perspective. Of his rejections (and there are likely going to be more tonight!), most were not shocking, or even surprising (think MIT, Amherst, Williams), but I was shocked that he didn't get into UVa. Given his academic and extracurricular profile (3.98 GPA/4.53 wGPA/35 ACT/Eagle Scout/2-year captain of HS team), I thought he was certainly going to be admitted there. Nothing but a sea of green checkmarks around him on the Naviance scattergram, with out any red anywhere nearby. He applied EA, but not ED, and was deferred and ultimately waitlisted. I remain shocked that he didn't get in, but I suppose this may be the new normal.

+1 - same stats, same EC and same result.

Pls let us know how today goes. But also, if your kid has 4 acceptances to schools “that definitely reject most of their applicants” that sounds like a super successful cycle, despite UVA? Am I missing something? Also do you mind sharing major?

In at Northeastern, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest, and JMU. Very good merit award from Northeastern. Interested in a business major. Has taken 5 AP tests (World History, Spanish Lang., Psychology, U.S. Gov't, AB Calc), with 2 5's, 2 4's, and a 3.

No complaints about his options, but am curious (in an abstract way) about what admits at Williams and Amherst showed in their applications that he did not.

For Williams and Amherst, athletic talent is the Golden Ticket,

Bottom tier LAC's golden days are over

FTFY

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My son was pretty aggressive with his applications. With one exception, all of his applications were to schools which definitely reject most of their applicants. He has been admitted to four schools (including the safety). They are good schools, but perhaps not tippy top from a rankings perspective. Of his rejections (and there are likely going to be more tonight!), most were not shocking, or even surprising (think MIT, Amherst, Williams), but I was shocked that he didn't get into UVa. Given his academic and extracurricular profile (3.98 GPA/4.53 wGPA/35 ACT/Eagle Scout/2-year captain of HS team), I thought he was certainly going to be admitted there. Nothing but a sea of green checkmarks around him on the Naviance scattergram, with out any red anywhere nearby. He applied EA, but not ED, and was deferred and ultimately waitlisted. I remain shocked that he didn't get in, but I suppose this may be the new normal.

Are you in-state for UVA?

Yes

Wow. Sorry to hear that. Makes no sense.

[Anonymous]

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I understand some families have overly high expectations and would have benefited from more accurate information about current conditions. However you're being downright nasty, OP. Plenty of families have been rejected from their preferred choices (yes, families, it's all right if it's a family thing, and not just the student's thing), and are pretty down.

But perhaps cruelty is the point of your post. In which case... thoughts and prayers.

It’s really not all right. It’s your young adult’s life, not yours. Time to get a hobby,

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
I understand some families have overly high expectations and would have benefited from more accurate information about current conditions. However you're being downright nasty, OP. Plenty of families have been rejected from their preferred choices (yes, families, it's all right if it's a family thing, and not just the student's thing), and are pretty down.

But perhaps cruelty is the point of your post. In which case... thoughts and prayers.

It’s really not all right. It’s your young adult’s life, not yours. Time to get a hobby,

+1,000

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My son was pretty aggressive with his applications. With one exception, all of his applications were to schools which definitely reject most of their applicants. He has been admitted to four schools (including the safety). They are good schools, but perhaps not tippy top from a rankings perspective. Of his rejections (and there are likely going to be more tonight!), most were not shocking, or even surprising (think MIT, Amherst, Williams), but I was shocked that he didn't get into UVa. Given his academic and extracurricular profile (3.98 GPA/4.53 wGPA/35 ACT/Eagle Scout/2-year captain of HS team), I thought he was certainly going to be admitted there. Nothing but a sea of green checkmarks around him on the Naviance scattergram, with out any red anywhere nearby. He applied EA, but not ED, and was deferred and ultimately waitlisted. I remain shocked that he didn't get in, but I suppose this may be the new normal.

Are you in-state for UVA?

Yes

Wow. Sorry to hear that. Makes no sense.

Have the Guidance counselor work that waitlist HARD.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I understand some families have overly high expectations and would have benefited from more accurate information about current conditions. However you're being downright nasty, OP. Plenty of families have been rejected from their preferred choices (yes, families, it's all right if it's a family thing, and not just the student's thing), and are pretty down.

But perhaps cruelty is the point of your post. In which case... thoughts and prayers.

It’s really not all right. It’s your young adult’s life, not yours. Time to get a hobby,

+1,000

Time to stop being assholes, you two.

Because this is judgy-time, so it's ok, right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:My son was pretty aggressive with his applications. With one exception, all of his applications were to schools which definitely reject most of their applicants. He has been admitted to four schools (including the safety). They are good schools, but perhaps not tippy top from a rankings perspective. Of his rejections (and there are likely going to be more tonight!), most were not shocking, or even surprising (think MIT, Amherst, Williams), but I was shocked that he didn't get into UVa. Given his academic and extracurricular profile (3.98 GPA/4.53 wGPA/35 ACT/Eagle Scout/2-year captain of HS team), I thought he was certainly going to be admitted there. Nothing but a sea of green checkmarks around him on the Naviance scattergram, with out any red anywhere nearby. He applied EA, but not ED, and was deferred and ultimately waitlisted. I remain shocked that he didn't get in, but I suppose this may be the new normal.

+1 - same stats, same EC and same result.

Pls let us know how today goes. But also, if your kid has 4 acceptances to schools “that definitely reject most of their applicants” that sounds like a super successful cycle, despite UVA? Am I missing something? Also do you mind sharing major?

In at Northeastern, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest, and JMU. Very good merit award from Northeastern. Interested in a business major. Has taken 5 AP tests (World History, Spanish Lang., Psychology, U.S. Gov't, AB Calc), with 2 5's, 2 4's, and a 3.

No complaints about his options, but am curious (in an abstract way) about what admits at Williams and Amherst showed in their applications that he did not.

Do Amherst and Williams even have business majors, what with being liberal arts colleges?

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Do Amherst and Williams even have business majors, what with being liberal arts colleges?

No, they don't and are very clear that students who prefer a pre-professional program should look elsewhere. I honestly wonder how much research and consideration regarding fit that kids are doing in this frenzy to apply to 15-20 schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I understand some families have overly high expectations and would have benefited from more accurate information about current conditions. However you're being downright nasty, OP. Plenty of families have been rejected from their preferred choices (yes, families, it's all right if it's a family thing, and not just the student's thing), and are pretty down.

But perhaps cruelty is the point of your post. In which case... thoughts and prayers.

It’s really not all right. It’s your young adult’s life, not yours. Time to get a hobby,

+1,000

You bi***es are the ones that need a hobby. Coming on here being nasty to people you don't know. And you know you'd NEVER say this stuff to in person. Cowards.

Let me guess you're the ones posting on here and then "Live Laugh Love" on FB?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I understand some families have overly high expectations and would have benefited from more accurate information about current conditions. However you're being downright nasty, OP. Plenty of families have been rejected from their preferred choices (yes, families, it's all right if it's a family thing, and not just the student's thing), and are pretty down.

But perhaps cruelty is the point of your post. In which case... thoughts and prayers.

It’s really not all right. It’s your young adult’s life, not yours. Time to get a hobby,

+1,000

You bi***es are the ones that need a hobby. Coming on here being nasty to people you don't kno

NP here. I would totally tell a friend that no, it's not about the "family." It's about the kid. But, I have a job and other obligations and try my hardest not to live vicariously through my children, which I may not say to a friend, but I sure do remind my sister of this when she acts like the PP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My son was pretty aggressive with his applications. With one exception, all of his applications were to schools which definitely reject most of their applicants. He has been admitted to four schools (including the safety). They are good schools, but perhaps not tippy top from a rankings perspective. Of his rejections (and there are likely going to be more tonight!), most were not shocking, or even surprising (think MIT, Amherst, Williams), but I was shocked that he didn't get into UVa. Given his academic and extracurricular profile (3.98 GPA/4.53 wGPA/35 ACT/Eagle Scout/2-year captain of HS team), I thought he was certainly going to be admitted there. Nothing but a sea of green checkmarks around him on the Naviance scattergram, with out any red anywhere nearby. He applied EA, but not ED, and was deferred and ultimately waitlisted. I remain shocked that he didn't get in, but I suppose this may be the new normal.

+1 - same stats, same EC and same result.

Pls let us know how today goes. But also, if your kid has 4 acceptances to schools “that definitely reject most of their applicants” that sounds like a super successful cycle, despite UVA? Am I missing something? Also do you mind sharing major?

In at Northeastern, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest, and JMU. Very good merit award from Northeastern. Interested in a business major. Has taken 5 AP tests (World History, Spanish Lang., Psychology, U.S. Gov't, AB Calc), with 2 5's, 2 4's, and a 3.

No complaints about his options, but am curious (in an abstract way) about what admits at Williams and Amherst showed in their applications that he did not.

Do Amherst and Williams even have business majors, what with being liberal arts colleges?

No, but tons of kids from those schools go to Wall Street, consulting firms...lots of economics majors.

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Anonymous wrote:Where you unaware of the significant increase in applications since COVID? Did you think TO would have no effect on the applicant pool? Did anyone (e.g., college counselor) discuss yield projection for perceived "safety" schools? Do you consider the math/odds in applying to a school that accepts less than 20% of applicants? Did you discuss any of these issues with your kids before they applied? Or is it something else?

So you acknowledge the system is broken and no one should expect it to be logical and therefore they shouldn’t complain? Applicants can and should be angry. It’s ridiculous that there’s no reliable way to predict chances of admission and people are right to be aggravated with a needlessly opaque and Byzantium system that protects and enriches these “non-profits.”

1) The system is not "broken."

2) The process and the results ARE logical, for the current climate - you just don't like that.

3) Why in the world would you think that you are entitled to be able to "predict chances of admission?" And even if you could, if you're looking at top schools with acceptance rates in single digits - can you not understand that that applies to you, too. THAT IS your "chance of admission."

4) Please explain how you come to regard this as a "needlessly opaque and Byzantium system that protects and enriches non-profits." I'm open to hearing a credible explanation of this, but doubt you have one.

There are entire books on this very topic that explain why the process is broken and arbitrary. It is not remotely transparent. And is focused on the benefit of the school, not the families.

What is completely transparent is that there are more than 150,000 students who score 1400 and up on the SAT each year. Over 200k score 1350 and up-- the top 10 percent. There are not enough seats in the Ivy League for all of them.

When will you people understand that even if you were given exact test scores and GPA cutoffs, there would still be little guarantee?

Any idea on how many score 1500 and up?

DS scored 1500 and is in 99th percentile. So, 1%.