Va. committee passes bill banning admissions discrimination

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Anonymous wrote:Full senate passed the bill.

Let the vulgar opportunity hoarding resume.

I don't see you giving up your job to a URM, you vulgar opportunity hoarder.

I recruit at HBCUs. In addition to top 15 STEM programs. Lots of qualified applicants all around.

Bull.

100% true - we've gone to HBCUs and top STEM programs up and down the East Coast. We found diverse, talented individuals at each school.

Also, I recently helped former co-workers set up an 8a. We will partner in the future and I'm happy for them to take the prime.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone on here actually following the bill? It was stripped to mirror federal anti discrimination laws already on the books. None of the bans on proxy discrimination or return to standardized tests etc.

I missed that. Interesting.

Because demorats control the senate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone on here actually following the bill? It was stripped to mirror federal anti discrimination laws already on the books. None of the bans on proxy discrimination or return to standardized tests etc.

I missed that. Interesting.

Because democrats control the senate.

There are two faux Ds in the Senate. You never know which way they're going to vote.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?221+sum+HB127
click on the 3/3 Senate version

HOUSE BILL NO. 127
AMENDMENT IN THE NATURE OF A SUBSTITUTE
(Proposed by the Senate Committee on Education and Health
on March 3, 2022)
(Patron Prior to Substitute--Delegate Davis)
A BILL to amend the Code of Virginia by adding a section numbered 22.1-26.2, relating to academic year Governor's Schools; certain practices prohibited and required.
Be it enacted by the General Assembly of Virginia:

1. That the Code of Virginia is amended by adding a section numbered 22.1-26.2 as follows:

§ 22.1-26.2. Academic year Governor's Schools; certain practices prohibited and required.

A. No academic year Governor's School or governing board member, director, administrator, or employee thereof shall discriminate against any individual or group on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin in the process of admitting students to such school.

B. Each local school board that jointly manages and controls a regional academic year Governor's school pursuant to § 22.1-26 shall collaborate to ensure that each public middle school that is eligible to send students to attend such Governor's school offers coursework, curriculum, and instruction that is comparable in content and in rigor in order to provide each student in each such middle school with the opportunity to gain admission to and excel academically at such Governor's school.

They completely gutted this law. It’s basically meaningless in this form. Anti-reform advocates should be absolutely livid that this is the bill that’s going to Youngkin’s desk without the language regarding proxy discrimination and traditional academic factors.

This is really upsetting. You're right - if this is the bill that passes Youngkin will not have fulfilled his promise to us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?221+sum+HB127
click on the 3/3 Senate version

HOUSE BILL NO. 127
AMENDMENT IN THE NATURE OF A SUBSTITUTE
(Proposed by the Senate Committee on Education and Health
on March 3, 2022)
(Patron Prior to Substitute--Delegate Davis)
A BILL to amend the Code of Virginia by adding a section numbered 22.1-26.2, relating to academic year Governor's Schools; certain practices prohibited and required.
Be it enacted by the General Assembly of Virginia:

1. That the Code of Virginia is amended by adding a section numbered 22.1-26.2 as follows:

§ 22.1-26.2. Academic year Governor's Schools; certain practices prohibited and required.

A. No academic year Governor's School or governing board member, director, administrator, or employee thereof shall discriminate against any individual or group on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin in the process of admitting students to such school.

B. Each local school board that jointly manages and controls a regional academic year Governor's school pursuant to § 22.1-26 shall collaborate to ensure that each public middle school that is eligible to send students to attend such Governor's school offers coursework, curriculum, and instruction that is comparable in content and in rigor in order to provide each student in each such middle school with the opportunity to gain admission to and excel academically at such Governor's school.

They completely gutted this law. It’s basically meaningless in this form. Anti-reform advocates should be absolutely livid that this is the bill that’s going to Youngkin’s desk without the language regarding proxy discrimination and traditional academic factors.

This is really upsetting. You're right - if this is the bill that passes Youngkin will not have fulfilled his promise to us.

I'm unhappy about this too

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?221+sum+HB127
click on the 3/3 Senate version

HOUSE BILL NO. 127
AMENDMENT IN THE NATURE OF A SUBSTITUTE
(Proposed by the Senate Committee on Education and Health
on March 3, 2022)
(Patron Prior to Substitute--Delegate Davis)
A BILL to amend the Code of Virginia by adding a section numbered 22.1-26.2, relating to academic year Governor's Schools; certain practices prohibited and required.
Be it enacted by the General Assembly of Virginia:

1. That the Code of Virginia is amended by adding a section numbered 22.1-26.2 as follows:

§ 22.1-26.2. Academic year Governor's Schools; certain practices prohibited and required.

A. No academic year Governor's School or governing board member, director, administrator, or employee thereof shall discriminate against any individual or group on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin in the process of admitting students to such school.

B. Each local school board that jointly manages and controls a regional academic year Governor's school pursuant to § 22.1-26 shall collaborate to ensure that each public middle school that is eligible to send students to attend such Governor's school offers coursework, curriculum, and instruction that is comparable in content and in rigor in order to provide each student in each such middle school with the opportunity to gain admission to and excel academically at such Governor's school.

They completely gutted this law. It’s basically meaningless in this form. Anti-reform advocates should be absolutely livid that this is the bill that’s going to Youngkin’s desk without the language regarding proxy discrimination and traditional academic factors.

This is really upsetting. You're right - if this is the bill that passes Youngkin will not have fulfilled his promise to us.

I'm unhappy about this too

This language is similar to California's proposition 209 in terms of its generality, just more narrowly tailored towards Governor's schools. It will have the desired effect. I don't believe the language regarding proxy discrimination factors is useful since the standard for reviewing discrimination cases already considers discrimination mechanisms that is race neutral on its surface.

The fact that it echos federal law is fine by me, just gives plaintiffs additional avenues to pursue a case. Remember, the only reason we are unsatisfied with federal law is because of how some past court decisions apparently went against the civil rights act and the 14th amendment in allowing racist policies under some circumstances. I believe the current supreme court is well positioned to strike these down and remove this conflict. Once that happens, no government agency anywhere will feel like they have legal cover to practice racism or sexism in the name of superficial diversity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?221+sum+HB127
click on the 3/3 Senate version

HOUSE BILL NO. 127
AMENDMENT IN THE NATURE OF A SUBSTITUTE
(Proposed by the Senate Committee on Education and Health
on March 3, 2022)
(Patron Prior to Substitute--Delegate Davis)
A BILL to amend the Code of Virginia by adding a section numbered 22.1-26.2, relating to academic year Governor's Schools; certain practices prohibited and required.
Be it enacted by the General Assembly of Virginia:

1. That the Code of Virginia is amended by adding a section numbered 22.1-26.2 as follows:

§ 22.1-26.2. Academic year Governor's Schools; certain practices prohibited and required.

A. No academic year Governor's School or governing board member, director, administrator, or employee thereof shall discriminate against any individual or group on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin in the process of admitting students to such school.

B. Each local school board that jointly manages and controls a regional academic year Governor's school pursuant to § 22.1-26 shall collaborate to ensure that each public middle school that is eligible to send students to attend such Governor's school offers coursework, curriculum, and instruction that is comparable in content and in rigor in order to provide each student in each such middle school with the opportunity to gain admission to and excel academically at such Governor's school.

They completely gutted this law. It’s basically meaningless in this form. Anti-reform advocates should be absolutely livid that this is the bill that’s going to Youngkin’s desk without the language regarding proxy discrimination and traditional academic factors.

This is really upsetting. You're right - if this is the bill that passes Youngkin will not have fulfilled his promise to us.

I'm unhappy about this too

That Chap Peterson did it slimy one.

[Anonymous]

…to ensure that each public middle school that is eligible to send students to attend such Governor's school offers coursework, curriculum, and instruction that is comparable in content and in rigor in order to provide each student in each such middle school with the opportunity to gain admission to and excel academically at such Governor's school. [

Does this mean that all MSs have to offer the exact same course offerings?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:…to ensure that each public middle school that is eligible to send students to attend such Governor's school offers coursework, curriculum, and instruction that is comparable in content and in rigor in order to provide each student in each such middle school with the opportunity to gain admission to and excel academically at such Governor's school. [

Does this mean that all MSs have to offer the exact same course offerings?

Read one way, this clause could represent a big win for progressives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:…to ensure that each public middle school that is eligible to send students to attend such Governor's school offers coursework, curriculum, and instruction that is comparable in content and in rigor in order to provide each student in each such middle school with the opportunity to gain admission to and excel academically at such Governor's school. [

Does this mean that all MSs have to offer the exact same course offerings?

At the upper end, yes. Whatever Longfellow offers, other eligible middle schools must also offer such courses. I don't really see this as a problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:…to ensure that each public middle school that is eligible to send students to attend such Governor's school offers coursework, curriculum, and instruction that is comparable in content and in rigor in order to provide each student in each such middle school with the opportunity to gain admission to and excel academically at such Governor's school. [

Does this mean that all MSs have to offer the exact same course offerings?

Read one way, this clause could represent a big win for progressives.

No, it certainly isn't. Progressives want equitable outcomes regardless of individual choices. Offering these classes only avail the students to the classes. It would still be up to the students to meet the prerequisites and take the actual classes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:…to ensure that each public middle school that is eligible to send students to attend such Governor's school offers coursework, curriculum, and instruction that is comparable in content and in rigor in order to provide each student in each such middle school with the opportunity to gain admission to and excel academically at such Governor's school.

Does this mean that all MSs have to offer the exact same course offerings?

At the upper end, yes. Whatever Longfellow offers, other eligible middle schools must also offer such courses. I don't really see this as a problem.

It says ALL middle schools that are in TJ area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:…to ensure that each public middle school that is eligible to send students to attend such Governor's school offers coursework, curriculum, and instruction that is comparable in content and in rigor in order to provide each student in each such middle school with the opportunity to gain admission to and excel academically at such Governor's school. [

Does this mean that all MSs have to offer the exact same course offerings?

Read one way, this clause could represent a big win for progressives.

No, it certainly isn't. Progressives want equitable outcomes regardless of individual choices. Offering these classes only avail the students to the classes. It would still be up to the students to meet the prerequisites and take the actual classes.

False. Progressives want equitable opportunities. Which is precisely what this is.

But misrepresenting the goals of progressives is probably a good strategy for winning points from the folks here who think that only Asians care about education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:…to ensure that each public middle school that is eligible to send students to attend such Governor's school offers coursework, curriculum, and instruction that is comparable in content and in rigor in order to provide each student in each such middle school with the opportunity to gain admission to and excel academically at such Governor's school. [

Does this mean that all MSs have to offer the exact same course offerings?

Read one way, this clause could represent a big win for progressives.

No, it certainly isn't. Progressives want equitable outcomes regardless of individual choices. Offering these classes only avail the students to the classes. It would still be up to the students to meet the prerequisites and take the actual classes.

False. Progressives want equitable opportunities. Which is precisely what this is.

But misrepresenting the goals of progressives is probably a good strategy for winning points from the folks here who think that only Asians care about education.

That's not what equity means in progressive parlance. Equity is *what you have*, meaning privileges. They are not just after equal opportunity. Here it is straight for the horse's mouth:

http://www.theinclusionsolution.me/equity-vs-equality-eliminating-opportunity-gaps-education/

As shown in the illustrative cartoon at the top, it's not that they want to give every child the opportunity to build their own box if they need it. No. It's that they want two boxes to be provided to that one child, at the expense of the other child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:…to ensure that each public middle school that is eligible to send students to attend such Governor's school offers coursework, curriculum, and instruction that is comparable in content and in rigor in order to provide each student in each such middle school with the opportunity to gain admission to and excel academically at such Governor's school. [

Does this mean that all MSs have to offer the exact same course offerings?

More course offerings are a win for everyone. More opportunities for everyone to compete. Now don't complain that there these classes should be canceled if there are more than 70% Asians. Because that has happened. And get the test back.