Cheh's Ward 3 ANC Gerrymandering

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You might win more of them over if you stopped calling the SFH owners in historic Cleveland Park entitled racists. Sounds like you don’t actually know many of them.

Not sure who this is directed to. I don't see anyone calling them racists.

The chairman of Cleveland Park Smart Growth, who is also the principal force behind the Ward 3 Task Force redistricting plan, has been claiming for some time that Cleveland Park's historic district somehow perpetuates racial exclusion. This is pretty rich, considering that Fabrizio Ward was the top pollster for Donald Trump. And his polling work with Manafort and Kilimnik to help a Putin puppet return to power in Ukraine doesn't exactly say "inclusion" and "equity", either. What is the Russian word for chutzpah?

There is a difference between saying that the zoning and historic districts are rooted in racism and exclusionary tactics and calling current residents racist, which no one has actually done, despite the claims here to the contrary. Fact: the zoning and covenants are rooted in racism. Does that mean we should continue with the racist zoning practices that keep people out? The covenants were banned. Why not also adjust the zoning?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You might win more of them over if you stopped calling the SFH owners in historic Cleveland Park entitled racists. Sounds like you don’t actually know many of them.

Not sure who this is directed to. I don't see anyone calling them racists.

The chairman of Cleveland Park Smart Growth, who is also the principal force behind the Ward 3 Task Force redistricting plan, has been claiming for some time that Cleveland Park's historic district somehow perpetuates racial exclusion. This is pretty rich, considering that Fabrizio Ward was the top pollster for Donald Trump. And his polling work with Manafort and Kilimnik to help a Putin puppet return to power in Ukraine doesn't exactly say "inclusion" and "equity", either. What is the Russian word for chutzpah?

There is a difference between saying that the zoning and historic districts are rooted in racism and exclusionary tactics and calling current residents racist, which no one has actually done, despite the claims here to the contrary. Fact: the zoning and covenants are rooted in racism. Does that mean we should continue with the racist zoning practices that keep people out? The covenants were banned. Why not also adjust the zoning?

Says the developer…. Fact: I have witnessed accusations of racism made toward and about current CP historic SFH residents as a group when they take a position that doesn’t align with the CP smart growth pro-density, pro-developer agenda several times in different contexts. It does not win over thoughtful people to your cause.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You might win more of them over if you stopped calling the SFH owners in historic Cleveland Park entitled racists. Sounds like you don’t actually know many of them.

Not sure who this is directed to. I don't see anyone calling them racists.

The chairman of Cleveland Park Smart Growth, who is also the principal force behind the Ward 3 Task Force redistricting plan, has been claiming for some time that Cleveland Park's historic district somehow perpetuates racial exclusion. This is pretty rich, considering that Fabrizio Ward was the top pollster for Donald Trump. And his polling work with Manafort and Kilimnik to help a Putin puppet return to power in Ukraine doesn't exactly say "inclusion" and "equity", either. What is the Russian word for chutzpah?

There is a difference between saying that the zoning and historic districts are rooted in racism and exclusionary tactics and calling current residents racist, which no one has actually done, despite the claims here to the contrary. Fact: the zoning and covenants are rooted in racism. Does that mean we should continue with the racist zoning practices that keep people out? The covenants were banned. Why not also adjust the zoning?

Says the developer…. Fact: I have witnessed accusations of racism made toward and about current CP historic SFH residents as a group when they take a position that doesn’t align with the CP smart growth pro-density, pro-developer agenda several times in different contexts. It does not win over thoughtful people to your cause.

Yes, the R word and the environment emotionally appeal to their green and woke supporters . Developers will be long gone when ward 3 is paved over with luxury condos.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You might win more of them over if you stopped calling the SFH owners in historic Cleveland Park entitled racists. Sounds like you don’t actually know many of them.

Not sure who this is directed to. I don't see anyone calling them racists.

The chairman of Cleveland Park Smart Growth, who is also the principal force behind the Ward 3 Task Force redistricting plan, has been claiming for some time that Cleveland Park's historic district somehow perpetuates racial exclusion. This is pretty rich, considering that Fabrizio Ward was the top pollster for Donald Trump. And his polling work with Manafort and Kilimnik to help a Putin puppet return to power in Ukraine doesn't exactly say "inclusion" and "equity", either. What is the Russian word for chutzpah?

There is a difference between saying that the zoning and historic districts are rooted in racism and exclusionary tactics and calling current residents racist, which no one has actually done, despite the claims here to the contrary. Fact: the zoning and covenants are rooted in racism. Does that mean we should continue with the racist zoning practices that keep people out? The covenants were banned. Why not also adjust the zoning?

Says the developer…. Fact: I have witnessed accusations of racism made toward and about current CP historic SFH residents as a group when they take a position that doesn’t align with the CP smart growth pro-density, pro-developer agenda several times in different contexts. It does not win over thoughtful people to your cause.

Not a developer, sorry I don't fit your narrative.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You might win more of them over if you stopped calling the SFH owners in historic Cleveland Park entitled racists. Sounds like you don’t actually know many of them.

Not sure who this is directed to. I don't see anyone calling them racists.

The chairman of Cleveland Park Smart Growth, who is also the principal force behind the Ward 3 Task Force redistricting plan, has been claiming for some time that Cleveland Park's historic district somehow perpetuates racial exclusion. This is pretty rich, considering that Fabrizio Ward was the top pollster for Donald Trump. And his polling work with Manafort and Kilimnik to help a Putin puppet return to power in Ukraine doesn't exactly say "inclusion" and "equity", either. What is the Russian word for chutzpah?

There is a difference between saying that the zoning and historic districts are rooted in racism and exclusionary tactics and calling current residents racist, which no one has actually done, despite the claims here to the contrary. Fact: the zoning and covenants are rooted in racism. Does that mean we should continue with the racist zoning practices that keep people out? The covenants were banned. Why not also adjust the zoning?

Says the developer…. Fact: I have witnessed accusations of racism made toward and about current CP historic SFH residents as a group when they take a position that doesn’t align with the CP smart growth pro-density, pro-developer agenda several times in different contexts. It does not win over thoughtful people to your cause.

Yes, the R word and the environment emotionally appeal to their green and woke supporters . Developers will be long gone when ward 3 is paved over with luxury condos.

Seems like the same induviduals, groups and aligned ANC Commissioners support any kind of development whether doubling a SFH, cutting down trees, building on green space. It seems inconsistent on the environmental side.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You might win more of them over if you stopped calling the SFH owners in historic Cleveland Park entitled racists. Sounds like you don’t actually know many of them.

Not sure who this is directed to. I don't see anyone calling them racists.

The chairman of Cleveland Park Smart Growth, who is also the principal force behind the Ward 3 Task Force redistricting plan, has been claiming for some time that Cleveland Park's historic district somehow perpetuates racial exclusion. This is pretty rich, considering that Fabrizio Ward was the top pollster for Donald Trump. And his polling work with Manafort and Kilimnik to help a Putin puppet return to power in Ukraine doesn't exactly say "inclusion" and "equity", either. What is the Russian word for chutzpah?

There is a difference between saying that the zoning and historic districts are rooted in racism and exclusionary tactics and calling current residents racist, which no one has actually done, despite the claims here to the contrary. Fact: the zoning and covenants are rooted in racism. Does that mean we should continue with the racist zoning practices that keep people out? The covenants were banned. Why not also adjust the zoning?

Says the developer…. Fact: I have witnessed accusations of racism made toward and about current CP historic SFH residents as a group when they take a position that doesn’t align with the CP smart growth pro-density, pro-developer agenda several times in different contexts. It does not win over thoughtful people to your cause.

Yes, the R word and the environment emotionally appeal to their green and woke supporters . Developers will be long gone when ward 3 is paved over with luxury condos.

Seems like the same induviduals, groups and aligned ANC Commissioners support any kind of development whether doubling a SFH, cutting down trees, building on green space. It seems inconsistent on the environmental side.

This again - what green space has been built on in Ward 3?

What trees have been cut down in Ward 3 to enable new development?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You might win more of them over if you stopped calling the SFH owners in historic Cleveland Park entitled racists. Sounds like you don’t actually know many of them.

Not sure who this is directed to. I don't see anyone calling them racists.

The chairman of Cleveland Park Smart Growth, who is also the principal force behind the Ward 3 Task Force redistricting plan, has been claiming for some time that Cleveland Park's historic district somehow perpetuates racial exclusion. This is pretty rich, considering that Fabrizio Ward was the top pollster for Donald Trump. And his polling work with Manafort and Kilimnik to help a Putin puppet return to power in Ukraine doesn't exactly say "inclusion" and "equity", either. What is the Russian word for chutzpah?

There is a difference between saying that the zoning and historic districts are rooted in racism and exclusionary tactics and calling current residents racist, which no one has actually done, despite the claims here to the contrary. Fact: the zoning and covenants are rooted in racism. Does that mean we should continue with the racist zoning practices that keep people out? The covenants were banned. Why not also adjust the zoning?

Says the developer…. Fact: I have witnessed accusations of racism made toward and about current CP historic SFH residents as a group when they take a position that doesn’t align with the CP smart growth pro-density, pro-developer agenda several times in different contexts. It does not win over thoughtful people to your cause.

Yes, the R word and the environment emotionally appeal to their green and woke supporters . Developers will be long gone when ward 3 is paved over with luxury condos.

Seems like the same induviduals, groups and aligned ANC Commissioners support any kind of development whether doubling a SFH, cutting down trees, building on green space. It seems inconsistent on the environmental side.

This again - what green space has been built on in Ward 3?

What trees have been cut down in Ward 3 to enable new development?

It's very common in tear-downs for trees to be cut down.

[Anonymous]

And you think tear downs and McMansions are something smart growth advocates support?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And you think tear downs and McMansions are something smart growth advocates support?

The ANC Commissioners who support smart growth also seem to support expansion of SFHs whenever a developer or homeowner wants to make a SFH larger. When you double the footprint of a SFH and double it’s price it is even less affordable or within reach to interested buyers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And you think tear downs and McMansions are something smart growth advocates support?

The ANC Commissioners who support smart growth also seem to support expansion of SFHs whenever a developer or homeowner wants to make a SFH larger. When you double the footprint of a SFH and double it’s price it is even less affordable or within reach to interested buyers.

It seems inconsistent with smart growth and I’m trying to understand the thinking.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And you think tear downs and McMansions are something smart growth advocates support?

The ANC Commissioners who support smart growth also seem to support expansion of SFHs whenever a developer or homeowner wants to make a SFH larger. When you double the footprint of a SFH and double it’s price it is even less affordable or within reach to interested buyers.

No, the support the addition of ADU's which broaden the rental opportunity, in places like Cleveland Park, that are transit rich. I don't see Smart Growth advocates supporting SFH expansion to larger SFH writ large.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And you think tear downs and McMansions are something smart growth advocates support?

The ANC Commissioners who support smart growth also seem to support expansion of SFHs whenever a developer or homeowner wants to make a SFH larger. When you double the footprint of a SFH and double it’s price it is even less affordable or within reach to interested buyers.

It seems inconsistent with smart growth and I’m trying to understand the thinking.

The thinking is the PP you are quoting has no idea what she is talking about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And you think tear downs and McMansions are something smart growth advocates support?

The ANC Commissioners who support smart growth also seem to support expansion of SFHs whenever a developer or homeowner wants to make a SFH larger. When you double the footprint of a SFH and double it’s price it is even less affordable or within reach to interested buyers.

No, the support the addition of ADU's which broaden the rental opportunity, in places like Cleveland Park, that are transit rich. I don't see Smart Growth advocates supporting SFH expansion to larger SFH writ large.

Some Smart Growthers are libertarian, property rights-types. In their view, while big development is better, any development is good, and government, historic districts and community groups should just get out of the way.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You might win more of them over if you stopped calling the SFH owners in historic Cleveland Park entitled racists. Sounds like you don’t actually know many of them.

Not sure who this is directed to. I don't see anyone calling them racists.

The chairman of Cleveland Park Smart Growth, who is also the principal force behind the Ward 3 Task Force redistricting plan, has been claiming for some time that Cleveland Park's historic district somehow perpetuates racial exclusion. This is pretty rich, considering that Fabrizio Ward was the top pollster for Donald Trump. And his polling work with Manafort and Kilimnik to help a Putin puppet return to power in Ukraine doesn't exactly say "inclusion" and "equity", either. What is the Russian word for chutzpah?

There is a difference between saying that the zoning and historic districts are rooted in racism and exclusionary tactics and calling current residents racist, which no one has actually done, despite the claims here to the contrary. Fact: the zoning and covenants are rooted in racism. Does that mean we should continue with the racist zoning practices that keep people out? The covenants were banned. Why not also adjust the zoning?

Says the developer…. Fact: I have witnessed accusations of racism made toward and about current CP historic SFH residents as a group when they take a position that doesn’t align with the CP smart growth pro-density, pro-developer agenda several times in different contexts. It does not win over thoughtful people to your cause.

Yes, the R word and the environment emotionally appeal to their green and woke supporters . Developers will be long gone when ward 3 is paved over with luxury condos.

Seems like the same induviduals, groups and aligned ANC Commissioners support any kind of development whether doubling a SFH, cutting down trees, building on green space. It seems inconsistent on the environmental side.

This again - what green space has been built on in Ward 3?

What trees have been cut down in Ward 3 to enable new development?

Just recently, two ANC commissioners asked the Hist Preservation Review Board to pause a developer's application to redevelop the Marriott Wardman property. The developer plans to build more-or-less in the area of the closed hotel and keep the green space along Woodley Rd. that is used by school groups and the community. The two ANC commissioners didn't raise arguments related to the HPRB's purview, but they did state that they are pro-Smart Growth and urged that the developer build 2x or 3x the proposed number of units, including on the Woodley green. Such environmentalism! The HPRB kept asking them to discuss the historic elements rather than espouse their personal views for dense development.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And yet, the people who live in the SFH's are demanding they have more sway over the ANCs and demand that everyone conform to their suburban lifestyles and have for the past 40 years.

I call BS. What support do you have for your statement? Neighborhoods that have been pushing back against the Smart Growth/Task Force gerrymandering have opposed breaking up their neighborhoods and excluding their voices from the ANCs that focus on issues on their neighborhoods. No one is demanding "more sway." But they don't want effectively to be gerrymandered out of their neighborhoods.

Stop the split, and just say no to Trumpy gerrymandering in Ward 3!