ITA. And to be clear, you need to present data that substantiate your claim that people who call themselves “spiritual” mean what you claim they mean, and also that people who call themselves “religious” mean what you claim they mean. Not data about people who have become atheist or agnostic because that’s not your point. And not “data” from you sock puppetting yourself on this thread. Time to step up. |
DP here and not exactly sure who is arguing what, but as for the claim that "fewer and fewer people are religious" that has been shown in study after study. These are literally the first 5 google links on that subject: https://www.pewforum.org/2019/10/17/in-u-s-decline-of-christianity-continues-at-rapid-pace/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/12/14/religion-united-states-americans-study/8899494002/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/09/14/the-factors-driving-the-growth-of-religious-nones-in-the-u-s/ https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/12/upshot/big-drop-in-share-of-americans-calling-themselves-christian.html https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211214-non-religious-surge-in-us-as-christianity-declines Didn't read these and some appear to refer to the same study, but I think the data shows the fact pretty clearly. |
| I did not read the whole thread...maybe I should. Religious = studied and agnostic/spiritual = study more. |
That’s not the point. The tiny little “win” OP is obsessing about is whether people who don’t call themselves “religious” instead call themselves “spiritual” because, OP for some reason keeps insisting, the word “spiritual” is “cooler” and “more socially acceptable” (actual quotes). All of these surveys asked about religious vs. none/unaffiliated/atheist/agnostic, and none of them tests for the word “spiritual.” So, none of these studies asked, for example, whether the unaffiliated call themselves “spiritual” instead, or whether people who identify as religious also call themselves spiritual. |
OP here and just to reiterate, I am NOT the person on here claiming "religious" is "uncool." I'm annoyed that he took over the post with that obnoxious premise, because I thought it was an interesting discussion before it got derailed. People pretty clearly shared their experiences being religious, spiritual, both, or neither, and whether or not it sounded "cool" or was "socially acceptable" wasn't a factor. Religion and spirituality are personal and everyone has slightly different understandings of what they mean. I posted because I was curious how people use the words and live their religious/spiritual lives. |
I'm still confused where you see that someone ever said that? No one has made that claim on this thread. |
“Spiritual is uncool” poster is a dog with a bone. She’s too tedious and obsessed to dig it out again. |
OP. I guess I'm assuming that "social acceptability" (page 6 02/02/2022 11:35) is meant as "cool." In either case, I'm not that person. I don't associate "religion" with any negative connotations. |
Fewer people identify as religious than 10 years ago. That's just a fact. But no one on here has said it its "uncool." |
Oh, someone definitely did say that. But you’re a troll trying to make one of us do the work of digging it out, and nobody is taking the bait. |