VYS Soccer - better or worse?

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Anonymous wrote:lots of teams 'win' the Jeff cup- without the flight information, that's kids of a meaningless statement Its not uncommon for an "a" team to go winless and a "B" or "C" team to get a medal- that doesn't mean the "A" team isn't the better team. Likewise, going winless in the top flight doesn't mean a team is worse that a team that wins a mid level flight

We are in a VYS forum. I don't think anyone thought it was the top flight. Context matters.

then why brag? It's not a marker of a club's success to have a team win the bottom division of a tournament. it's great for the kids and they should be happy and proud, but winning a bronze flight doesn't make you a better club than one whose teams lose in platinum

For the VYS/ Arlington scrimmages: The VYS 07 & 06 teams are really struggling. They are lucky Arlington didn’t score 20+ on each of them.

Didn't the 06 boys team win their Jeff Cup bracket?

Yeah, that is not bragging.
But it is an opening for someone to come in and say they aren't that good. Laughable.

Brackets for Arlington tournament are out. 07 Eagles are in the 4th division with Arlington Black (and other teams of course). That's Arlington's 5th team. I guess that shows us what Arlington thought of the competitiveness of the scrimmage in the Fall.

Thanks (?) Arlington Team Manager whose kid did not make a top VYS team. Glad you feel good about all this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:lots of teams 'win' the Jeff cup- without the flight information, that's kids of a meaningless statement Its not uncommon for an "a" team to go winless and a "B" or "C" team to get a medal- that doesn't mean the "A" team isn't the better team. Likewise, going winless in the top flight doesn't mean a team is worse that a team that wins a mid level flight

We are in a VYS forum. I don't think anyone thought it was the top flight. Context matters.

then why brag? It's not a marker of a club's success to have a team win the bottom division of a tournament. it's great for the kids and they should be happy and proud, but winning a bronze flight doesn't make you a better club than one whose teams lose in platinum

For the VYS/ Arlington scrimmages: The VYS 07 & 06 teams are really struggling. They are lucky Arlington didn’t score 20+ on each of them.

Didn't the 06 boys team win their Jeff Cup bracket?

Yeah, that is not bragging.
But it is an opening for someone to come in and say they aren't that good. Laughable.

Brackets for Arlington tournament are out. 07 Eagles are in the 4th division with Arlington Black (and other teams of course). That's Arlington's 5th team. I guess that shows us what Arlington thought of the competitiveness of the scrimmage in the Fall.

Makes sense. I wouldn't expect any of the boy's U14 and up teams to be in the top brackets. The teams weren't competitive in those scrimmages. As a VYS parent in one of these age groups, it was embarrassing but not surprising.

[Anonymous]

VYS has a really good rec program and develops players well at younger age groups. The question for top teams will always be whether they can keep kids together after U13. This would lead to good top teams and a big enough player pool to field a competitive second team. It seems the girls side is ahead of the boys, but we will see what happens for the 2008 and younger kids.

History says every team is different, but they are trending in the right direction. We’re happy there with our younger boy, and will stay as long as development is good, games are competitive, and he’s having fun.

[Anonymous]

it does not do a great job at developing the black team or below at younger age groups

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Anonymous wrote:it does not do a great job at developing the black team or below at younger age groups

Not true in my experience, at least on the boys side. The coaching is/wasvery good, and some players develop well and become players on the red team, but the club has a small player pool and will have difficulty competing against teams from much bigger cities and towns.

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Anonymous wrote:it does not do a great job at developing the black team or below at younger age groups

Not true in my experience, at least on the boys side. The coaching is/wasvery good, and some players develop well and become players on the red team, but the club has a small player pool and will have difficulty competing against teams from much bigger cities and towns.

I’ve repeatedly heard that VYS has a “small player pool” but don’t understand why that is the case. There are no official boundaries for clubs. VYS is centrally located in the heart of Fairfax County, a massive county with many players and clubs. Why would VYS’s player pool be any smaller than McLean or BRYC?

VYS may be drawing fewer players, but that’s not due to any inherent limitations in the available player pool. Clubs compete for players. Saying VYS has a small player pool sounds to me like an excuse for not attracting more players and building more competitive teams.

I get that there’s a chicken-and-egg dynamic to this — to have success you need to attract players, and to attract players you need to be successful — but that’s always the case for every club.

VYS could be bigger and more competitive than it is.

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it does not do a great job at developing the black team or below at younger age groups"

Agree with this - experience on the girls side of things - coaching was awful for Black and below. Having been to several clubs tryouts VYS, McLean, Arlington - both McLean and Arlington drew kids from outside their respective boundaries. VYS was just Vienna kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:it does not do a great job at developing the black team or below at younger age groups

Not true in my experience, at least on the boys side. The coaching is/wasvery good, and some players develop well and become players on the red team, but the club has a small player pool and will have difficulty competing against teams from much bigger cities and towns.

I’ve repeatedly heard that VYS has a “small player pool” but don’t understand why that is the case. There are no official boundaries for clubs. VYS is centrally located in the heart of Fairfax County, a massive county with many players and clubs. Why would VYS’s player pool be any smaller than McLean or BRYC?

VYS may be drawing fewer players, but that’s not due to any inherent limitations in the available player pool. Clubs compete for players. Saying VYS has a small player pool sounds to me like an excuse for not attracting more players and building more competitive teams.

I get that there’s a chicken-and-egg dynamic to this — to have success you need to attract players, and to attract players you need to be successful — but that’s always the case for every club.

VYS could be bigger and more competitive than it is.

+1

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There's a reason that so many players leave to go to great falls, mclean, or elsewhere

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There's a reason that so many players leave to go to great falls, mclean, or elsewhere

Yes, because it's a baseball town!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There's a reason that so many players leave to go to great falls, mclean, or elsewhere

Drinking the kool-aide

Great Falls is probably a step down from VYS.

Mclean, great marketing but once you are there you realize you've been duped. LOL

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There's a reason that so many players leave to go to great falls, mclean, or elsewhere

Yes, because it's a baseball town!

Baseball...yawn...what is that? LOL

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:it does not do a great job at developing the black team or below at younger age groups

Not true in my experience, at least on the boys side. The coaching is/wasvery good, and some players develop well and become players on the red team, but the club has a small player pool and will have difficulty competing against teams from much bigger cities and towns.

I’ve repeatedly heard that VYS has a “small player pool” but don’t understand why that is the case. There are no official boundaries for clubs. VYS is centrally located in the heart of Fairfax County, a massive county with many players and clubs. Why would VYS’s player pool be any smaller than McLean or BRYC?

VYS may be drawing fewer players, but that’s not due to any inherent limitations in the available player pool. Clubs compete for players. Saying VYS has a small player pool sounds to me like an excuse for not attracting more players and building more competitive teams.

I get that there’s a chicken-and-egg dynamic to this — to have success you need to attract players, and to attract players you need to be successful — but that’s always the case for every club.

VYS could be bigger and more competitive than it is.

Player pool has zero impact, you are in the middle of fairfax, but it’s not a destination club.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:it does not do a great job at developing the black team or below at younger age groups

We are on a girls’ black team and have been very happy with the coaching.

[Anonymous]

Vienna’s coaches are full of themselves. They constantly email league directors to attack other vocal coaches.

What do you expect of a place where they look at you over their shoulders, indenture servant!?