Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:Disgusting people.

While vandalism is certainly wrong, I hope this act is not used to tarnish all Palestinians as "disgusting people" or even "pro-Hamas." The vandals appear to have written "Free Gaza" in red paint and sloshed some red paint around to resemble blood.

As an example of a young Arab Muslim who is NOT a "disgusting person," a Stanford student, Abdulwahab Omira, was mowed down by someone in an SUV last month. The driver yelled out the window, "Eff you and your people!" Abdulwahab's response, from his hospital bed, was to "reflect on the importance of spreading love, kindness and compassion in a world that seems to be steadily succumbing to hatred and prejudice," and he called on others to "collectively denounce hatred, bigotry, and violence."

So please let's not stereotype Arab people as "disgusting" or young people as "stupid and uneducated."

This act is disgusting, yes. It’s interesting how you don’t want this act to tarnish all Palestinians and yet the pro-Palestinian contingent are attacking Israeli-American and Jewish businesses, Jewish students, and synagogues. Don’t mind the generalizations of Jews.

They aren't "attacking" them. Stop lying.

NP. This Chelsea establishment disagrees https://twitter.com/stopantisemites/status/1737470931188978129/mediaviewer

This Washington DC synagogue disagrees

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/12/17/us/washington-dc-man-arrest-anti-semitic-phrase/index.html

Not to mention the situation on college campuses where Jewish students are being verbally and in a couple of cases physically harassed by pro-Palestinian groups. In some circumstances, there were students whose only offense was being Jewish; they were attempting to walk to class or across campus not rallying.

There's probably more to it than that. You're over simplifying. Anyways, it goes both ways. If you're only concermed about Jewish harrassment but not the harrassment Palestinians get at the same time, then I have no sympathy for you.

I must have missed the videos of Palestinian students hiding in the library while Jewish students beat on the door calling for intifada.

Did you miss the murder of a Palestinian child in the United States? The attack on college students? The shooting? The car?

Not perpetrated by Jews.

Omg it’s never their fault.
Beyond insanity.

Put 27 women and children in a room and then toss a grenade in (documented this week that the IDF did this) - bwwahhh blame Hamas.

I am so sick of all of it. Israel is despicable

Oh... you speak of tossing grenades into rooms? You mean like when Hamas terrorists threw grenades into shelters where Israeli civilians were trying to avoid getting slaughter (and raped and dismembered) on October 7th?

How is it that you blithely accuse Jews of everything Palestinians have actually, literally perpetrated? Tragically, a whole lot of people are dumb enough (and secretly hate Jews enough) to believe you.

I’m a DP. Isn’t your precise point that Israel is better than Hamas? Isn’t that why we’re meant to support them? Because of their commitment to humanitarian principles which differentiate them from the people they’re ostensibly fighting?

If that is your point you cannot respond “what about Hamas” unless you’re conceding that you believe the IDF should be judged by the world as terrorists, which Hamas is universally agreed to be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The latest Quinnipiac polling shows most Americans don’t support more military aid. That support is falling as Israel continues to act in a barbaric manner.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/20/quinnipiac-support-israel-down-00132743

So clearly the “Israel without question or criticism” policy is not resonating and it’s time for a change. The question is whether people in power will make the pivot soon enough to matter.

No, because one, it takes a long time to turn a ship (Israel wouldn't self destruct overnight, or at all actually, if the U.S. stopped its relations with it, you oversimplify the relationship) and two, the leaders do not want to (rightly so).
So come up with another hope and dream. Maybe non violent political struggle which includes recognizing that the national is Israel is not going to be wiped off the map.

I’m not talking about Israel “self destructing” and you will find that language nowhere in my post.

Yes, that is what you want, Israel to self destruct, because if you think Israel is only able to defend itself because of U.S., then to you end of U.S. support means Israel's end.

To stop the war over there, Hamas could surrender. But you are not calling for that.

I am saying that the United States. Weds to take a different approach to dealing with Israel because the public does not support the current approach.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The latest Quinnipiac polling shows most Americans don’t support more military aid. That support is falling as Israel continues to act in a barbaric manner.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/20/quinnipiac-support-israel-down-00132743

So clearly the “Israel without question or criticism” policy is not resonating and it’s time for a change. The question is whether people in power will make the pivot soon enough to matter.

No, because one, it takes a long time to turn a ship (Israel wouldn't self destruct overnight, or at all actually, if the U.S. stopped its relations with it, you oversimplify the relationship) and two, the leaders do not want to (rightly so).
So come up with another hope and dream. Maybe non violent political struggle which includes recognizing that the national is Israel is not going to be wiped off the map.

I’m not talking about Israel “self destructing” and you will find that language nowhere in my post.

I am saying that the United States. Weds to take a different approach to dealing with Israel because the public does not support the current approach.

Yes, that is what you want, Israel to self destruct, because if you think Israel is only able to defend itself because of U.S., then to you end of U.S. support means Israel's end.

To stop the war over there, Hamas could surrender. But you are not calling for that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The latest Quinnipiac polling shows most Americans don’t support more military aid. That support is falling as Israel continues to act in a barbaric manner.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/20/quinnipiac-support-israel-down-00132743

So clearly the “Israel without question or criticism” policy is not resonating and it’s time for a change. The question is whether people in power will make the pivot soon enough to matter.

No, because one, it takes a long time to turn a ship (Israel wouldn't self destruct overnight, or at all actually, if the U.S. stopped its relations with it, you oversimplify the relationship) and two, the leaders do not want to (rightly so).
So come up with another hope and dream. Maybe non violent political struggle which includes recognizing that the national is Israel is not going to be wiped off the map.

I’m not talking about Israel “self destructing” and you will find that language nowhere in my post.

I am saying that the United States. Weds to take a different approach to dealing with Israel because the public does not support the current approach.

Yes, that is what you want, Israel to self destruct, because if you think Israel is only able to defend itself because of U.S., then to you end of U.S. support means Israel's end.

To stop the war over there, Hamas could surrender. But you are not calling for that.

It hasn’t been true for decades that Israel can “only” defend itself with active U.S backing. It is certainly easier for them to do so without, for example, the UNSC passing resolutions calling for ceasefire but it is not “only”. So no, I am still not calling for Israel’s “self destruction”.

I am saying the U.S. public does not support the war as it is being carried out right now. They don’t support the indiscriminate killing of civilians, shooting hostages, starving children. So the U.S. needs to change how it approaches assisting Israel. Perhaps conditioning aid, perhaps giving less cover at the UN, perhaps working more closely with those groups actually seeking a peaceful solution. None of that “destroys” Israel and all of it reflects the values of the U.S.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The latest Quinnipiac polling shows most Americans don’t support more military aid. That support is falling as Israel continues to act in a barbaric manner.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/20/quinnipiac-support-israel-down-00132743

So clearly the “Israel without question or criticism” policy is not resonating and it’s time for a change. The question is whether people in power will make the pivot soon enough to matter.

No, because one, it takes a long time to turn a ship (Israel wouldn't self destruct overnight, or at all actually, if the U.S. stopped its relations with it, you oversimplify the relationship) and two, the leaders do not want to (rightly so).
So come up with another hope and dream. Maybe non violent political struggle which includes recognizing that the national is Israel is not going to be wiped off the map.

I’m not talking about Israel “self destructing” and you will find that language nowhere in my post.

I am saying that the United States. Weds to take a different approach to dealing with Israel because the public does not support the current approach.

Yes, that is what you want, Israel to self destruct, because if you think Israel is only able to defend itself because of U.S., then to you end of U.S. support means Israel's end.

To stop the war over there, Hamas could surrender. But you are not calling for that.

Because there is no U.S support for Hamas and so what our voters think means very little to them or how we approach them. They are a terrorist group listed by the State Department and so they will probably continue to behave as such.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wondering how Israelis are treated in Palestinian captivity? Probably receiving luxury accommodations and the gentlest touch.

I know you meant that sarcastically but Actually Israelis have said that . All of Hamas captives can’t stop complimenting them. One mom wrote a letter thanking them last month for not hurting her daughter. Israel has banned any of them from interviews on TV . I am guessing once some of the Thai migrants goes back home we will hear from some of them unless they signed a gag order or something from Israel

[Anonymous]

Captivity isn’t fun or moral and isn’t justifiable at all but if captives don’t abuse children, most parents would be grateful. Now, does Israel abuse Palestinian kids in their prisons? Of course. That’s even considered being lucky as a Palestinian parent if Israel just detains a child indefinitely . The usual is for a kid to be amputated from a bomb, Orphaned from a bomb, or dead.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The latest Quinnipiac polling shows most Americans don’t support more military aid. That support is falling as Israel continues to act in a barbaric manner.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/20/quinnipiac-support-israel-down-00132743

So clearly the “Israel without question or criticism” policy is not resonating and it’s time for a change. The question is whether people in power will make the pivot soon enough to matter.

No, because one, it takes a long time to turn a ship (Israel wouldn't self destruct overnight, or at all actually, if the U.S. stopped its relations with it, you oversimplify the relationship) and two, the leaders do not want to (rightly so).
So come up with another hope and dream. Maybe non violent political struggle which includes recognizing that the national is Israel is not going to be wiped off the map.

I’m not talking about Israel “self destructing” and you will find that language nowhere in my post.

I am saying that the United States. Weds to take a different approach to dealing with Israel because the public does not support the current approach.

Yes, that is what you want, Israel to self destruct, because if you think Israel is only able to defend itself because of U.S., then to you end of U.S. support means Israel's end.

To stop the war over there, Hamas could surrender. But you are not calling for that.

Because there is no U.S support for Hamas and so what our voters think means very little to them or how we approach them. They are a terrorist group listed by the State Department and so they will probably continue to behave as such.

DP.

The bolded is simply not true.

Have you seen the polling on the % of US Muslims who think that Hamas's attack on 10/7 was "justified"?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Disgusting people.

While vandalism is certainly wrong, I hope this act is not used to tarnish all Palestinians as "disgusting people" or even "pro-Hamas." The vandals appear to have written "Free Gaza" in red paint and sloshed some red paint around to resemble blood.

As an example of a young Arab Muslim who is NOT a "disgusting person," a Stanford student, Abdulwahab Omira, was mowed down by someone in an SUV last month. The driver yelled out the window, "Eff you and your people!" Abdulwahab's response, from his hospital bed, was to "reflect on the importance of spreading love, kindness and compassion in a world that seems to be steadily succumbing to hatred and prejudice," and he called on others to "collectively denounce hatred, bigotry, and violence."

So please let's not stereotype Arab people as "disgusting" or young people as "stupid and uneducated."

This act is disgusting, yes. It’s interesting how you don’t want this act to tarnish all Palestinians and yet the pro-Palestinian contingent are attacking Israeli-American and Jewish businesses, Jewish students, and synagogues. Don’t mind the generalizations of Jews.

They aren't "attacking" them. Stop lying.

NP. This Chelsea establishment disagrees https://twitter.com/stopantisemites/status/1737470931188978129/mediaviewer

This Washington DC synagogue disagrees

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/12/17/us/washington-dc-man-arrest-anti-semitic-phrase/index.html

Not to mention the situation on college campuses where Jewish students are being verbally and in a couple of cases physically harassed by pro-Palestinian groups. In some circumstances, there were students whose only offense was being Jewish; they were attempting to walk to class or across campus not rallying.

There's probably more to it than that. You're over simplifying. Anyways, it goes both ways. If you're only concermed about Jewish harrassment but not the harrassment Palestinians get at the same time, then I have no sympathy for you.

I must have missed the videos of Palestinian students hiding in the library while Jewish students beat on the door calling for intifada.

Did you miss the murder of a Palestinian child in the United States? The attack on college students? The shooting? The car?

Not perpetrated by Jews.

Omg it’s never their fault.
Beyond insanity.

Put 27 women and children in a room and then toss a grenade in (documented this week that the IDF did this) - bwwahhh blame Hamas.

I am so sick of all of it. Israel is despicable

Oh... you speak of tossing grenades into rooms? You mean like when Hamas terrorists threw grenades into shelters where Israeli civilians were trying to avoid getting slaughter (and raped and dismembered) on October 7th?

How is it that you blithely accuse Jews of everything Palestinians have actually, literally perpetrated? Tragically, a whole lot of people are dumb enough (and secretly hate Jews enough) to believe you.

I’m a DP. Isn’t your precise point that Israel is better than Hamas? Isn’t that why we’re meant to support them? Because of their commitment to humanitarian principles which differentiate them from the people they’re ostensibly fighting?

If that is your point you cannot respond “what about Hamas” unless you’re conceding that you believe the IDF should be judged by the world as terrorists, which Hamas is universally agreed to be.

+1
When the ‘good guys’ are murdering women and children (and Israeli hostages) at an astonishing rate, committing war crimes and horrific acts of violence worse than an actual recognized terrorist organization it gets hard to support.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The latest Quinnipiac polling shows most Americans don’t support more military aid. That support is falling as Israel continues to act in a barbaric manner.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/20/quinnipiac-support-israel-down-00132743

So clearly the “Israel without question or criticism” policy is not resonating and it’s time for a change. The question is whether people in power will make the pivot soon enough to matter.

No, because one, it takes a long time to turn a ship (Israel wouldn't self destruct overnight, or at all actually, if the U.S. stopped its relations with it, you oversimplify the relationship) and two, the leaders do not want to (rightly so).
So come up with another hope and dream. Maybe non violent political struggle which includes recognizing that the national is Israel is not going to be wiped off the map.

I’m not talking about Israel “self destructing” and you will find that language nowhere in my post.

I am saying that the United States. Weds to take a different approach to dealing with Israel because the public does not support the current approach.

Yes, that is what you want, Israel to self destruct, because if you think Israel is only able to defend itself because of U.S., then to you end of U.S. support means Israel's end.

To stop the war over there, Hamas could surrender. But you are not calling for that.

It hasn’t been true for decades that Israel can “only” defend itself with active U.S backing. It is certainly easier for them to do so without, for example, the UNSC passing resolutions calling for ceasefire but it is not “only”. So no, I am still not calling for Israel’s “self destruction”.

I am saying the U.S. public does not support the war as it is being carried out right now. They don’t support the indiscriminate killing of civilians, shooting hostages, starving children. So the U.S. needs to change how it approaches assisting Israel. Perhaps conditioning aid, perhaps giving less cover at the UN, perhaps working more closely with those groups actually seeking a peaceful solution. None of that “destroys” Israel and all of it reflects the values of the U.S.

Unfortunately, the weirdo you're trying to reason with is an Islamophobic bigot whose Zionist worldview doesn't share common values with America. Their schtick is that Hamas is solely responsible for the 14,000+ dead innocent civilians in Gaza (the IDF's numbers, not mine) over the past 10-11 weeks; after 10/7, apparently everyone's prior memory was erased and Israel was literally free to do whatever it wanted in the name of "defending itself".

And if not Hamas, then YOU are apparently responsible for not calling for Hamas to surrender from your current location. Because let's face it, Haniyeh and Sinwar are just waiting for you to make that call.

This weirdo, and those like them, value Jewish life above all others, and if they had an ounce of integrity, they would just cop to that. Frankly, they'd be respected by more people for at least being truthful.

They are a segment of worldwide Jewry, but certainly not all. Like most communities, there's an evolved, significant segment of worldwide Jewry who believe in living in peace with others is important, who believe that their place in the world is not intrinsically more important than that of others, and who don't use serially deceptive tactics to malign others at every turn in the road. You can't connect with them because they don't dwell here, sharing their peaceful views.

But this segment you're trying to reason with? They think they're better than everyone else - by birthright. They terrorize the Palestinians today because we enable them to use our global superpower status and our $$$ as unaccountable, malignant regional bullies. They think their fairytale mandate from god forever anointed them chosen, and they don't give a rip about human rights, compassion, or the right to live free of terror for anyone other than Jews. Look at the smug disposition of Israel's leader, FFS. Zero regard for cooperation on the global stage. Just a smug POS terrorist

And of course, anyone who dares to state the obvious is anti-semitic to them.

It's a waste of time. There's no reasoning with crazy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wondering how Israelis are treated in Palestinian captivity? Probably receiving luxury accommodations and the gentlest touch.

I know you meant that sarcastically but Actually Israelis have said that . All of Hamas captives can’t stop complimenting them. One mom wrote a letter thanking them last month for not hurting her daughter. Israel has banned any of them from interviews on TV . I am guessing once some of the Thai migrants goes back home we will hear from some of them unless they signed a gag order or something from Israel

Yes, we heard about the lovely honey bunnies called Hamas. The 60 minute interview that just came out with one of the hostages was so amazing! And, the 12 year old who was made to watch October 7th atrocities, raved about his new educational opportunities. The kids who lost massive amounts of weight, thanked Hamas for their slimmed waist lines and the victims of sexual abuse (men and women) are just in awe of Hamas’s humanity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The latest Quinnipiac polling shows most Americans don’t support more military aid. That support is falling as Israel continues to act in a barbaric manner.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/20/quinnipiac-support-israel-down-00132743

So clearly the “Israel without question or criticism” policy is not resonating and it’s time for a change. The question is whether people in power will make the pivot soon enough to matter.

No, because one, it takes a long time to turn a ship (Israel wouldn't self destruct overnight, or at all actually, if the U.S. stopped its relations with it, you oversimplify the relationship) and two, the leaders do not want to (rightly so).
So come up with another hope and dream. Maybe non violent political struggle which includes recognizing that the national is Israel is not going to be wiped off the map.

I’m not talking about Israel “self destructing” and you will find that language nowhere in my post.

I am saying that the United States. Weds to take a different approach to dealing with Israel because the public does not support the current approach.

Yes, that is what you want, Israel to self destruct, because if you think Israel is only able to defend itself because of U.S., then to you end of U.S. support means Israel's end.

To stop the war over there, Hamas could surrender. But you are not calling for that.

It hasn’t been true for decades that Israel can “only” defend itself with active U.S backing. It is certainly easier for them to do so without, for example, the UNSC passing resolutions calling for ceasefire but it is not “only”. So no, I am still not calling for Israel’s “self destruction”.

I am saying the U.S. public does not support the war as it is being carried out right now. They don’t support the indiscriminate killing of civilians, shooting hostages, starving children. So the U.S. needs to change how it approaches assisting Israel. Perhaps conditioning aid, perhaps giving less cover at the UN, perhaps working more closely with those groups actually seeking a peaceful solution. None of that “destroys” Israel and all of it reflects the values of the U.S.

Unfortunately, the weirdo you're trying to reason with is an Islamophobic bigot whose Zionist worldview doesn't share common values with America. Their schtick is that Hamas is solely responsible for the 14,000+ dead innocent civilians in Gaza (the IDF's numbers, not mine) over the past 10-11 weeks; after 10/7, apparently everyone's prior memory was erased and Israel was literally free to do whatever it wanted in the name of "defending itself".

And if not Hamas, then YOU are apparently responsible for not calling for Hamas to surrender from your current location. Because let's face it, Haniyeh and Sinwar are just waiting for you to make that call.

This weirdo, and those like them, value Jewish life above all others, and if they had an ounce of integrity, they would just cop to that. Frankly, they'd be respected by more people for at least being truthful.

They are a segment of worldwide Jewry, but certainly not all. Like most communities, there's an evolved, significant segment of worldwide Jewry who believe in living in peace with others is important, who believe that their place in the world is not intrinsically more important than that of others, and who don't use serially deceptive tactics to malign others at every turn in the road. You can't connect with them because they don't dwell here, sharing their peaceful views.

But this segment you're trying to reason with? They think they're better than everyone else - by birthright. They terrorize the Palestinians today because we enable them to use our global superpower status and our $$$ as unaccountable, malignant regional bullies. They think their fairytale mandate from god forever anointed them chosen, and they don't give a rip about human rights, compassion, or the right to live free of terror for anyone other than Jews. Look at the smug disposition of Israel's leader, FFS. Zero regard for cooperation on the global stage. Just a smug POS terrorist

And of course, anyone who dares to state the obvious is anti-semitic to them.

It's a waste of time. There's no reasoning with crazy.

Pidgin, you back? I thought you only posted at night.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wondering how Israelis are treated in Palestinian captivity? Probably receiving luxury accommodations and the gentlest touch.

I know you meant that sarcastically but Actually Israelis have said that . All of Hamas captives can’t stop complimenting them. One mom wrote a letter thanking them last month for not hurting her daughter. Israel has banned any of them from interviews on TV . I am guessing once some of the Thai migrants goes back home we will hear from some of them unless they signed a gag order or something from Israel

Yes, we heard about the lovely honey bunnies called Hamas. The 60 minute interview that just came out with one of the hostages was so amazing! And, the 12 year old who was made to watch October 7th atrocities, raved about his new educational opportunities. The kids who lost massive amounts of weight, thanked Hamas for their slimmed waist lines and the victims of sexual abuse (men and women) are just in awe of Hamas’s humanity.

When the UN reports Gazans are starving under the Israeli refusal to allow aid in, I am not sure this has the impact you believe it does.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wondering how Israelis are treated in Palestinian captivity? Probably receiving luxury accommodations and the gentlest touch.

I know you meant that sarcastically but Actually Israelis have said that . All of Hamas captives can’t stop complimenting them. One mom wrote a letter thanking them last month for not hurting her daughter. Israel has banned any of them from interviews on TV . I am guessing once some of the Thai migrants goes back home we will hear from some of them unless they signed a gag order or something from Israel

Yes, we heard about the lovely honey bunnies called Hamas. The 60 minute interview that just came out with one of the hostages was so amazing! And, the 12 year old who was made to watch October 7th atrocities, raved about his new educational opportunities. The kids who lost massive amounts of weight, thanked Hamas for their slimmed waist lines and the victims of sexual abuse (men and women) are just in awe of Hamas’s humanity.

When the UN reports Gazans are starving under the Israeli refusal to allow aid in, I am not sure this has the impact you believe it does.

It doesn’t have impact for you. But for the rational segment of the world, it certainly does.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wondering how Israelis are treated in Palestinian captivity? Probably receiving luxury accommodations and the gentlest touch.

I know you meant that sarcastically but Actually Israelis have said that . All of Hamas captives can’t stop complimenting them. One mom wrote a letter thanking them last month for not hurting her daughter. Israel has banned any of them from interviews on TV . I am guessing once some of the Thai migrants goes back home we will hear from some of them unless they signed a gag order or something from Israel

Cool story bro. No, there's no "gag order" keeping us from hearing "compliments." The reality is that many of the hostages who have been recovered from Hamas have been returned with injuries, malnourished, and so on. And, we know that many hostages held by Hamas have died in captivity and will never be coming home.