College Football--Big Ten Expansion

Anonymous
Crazy that a b-level rag, and that would be generous to US News & World Report, has become what it has as a major influence on college decisions, school district decisions, and hospital decisions.
Their staff isn't exactly a who's who either, and most of what their newer rankings use input wise for methodology is public info.
Complaining about writers and coaches ranking football teams poorly is funny because the older US News rankings were similar and heavily waited "expert" peer assessments based on a survey they'd send out to other schools.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Crazy that a b-level rag, and that would be generous to US News & World Report, has become what it has as a major influence on college decisions, school district decisions, and hospital decisions.
Their staff isn't exactly a who's who either, and most of what their newer rankings use input wise for methodology is public info.
Complaining about writers and coaches ranking football teams poorly is funny because the older US News rankings were similar and heavily waited "expert" peer assessments based on a survey they'd send out to other schools.


By "b-level", I assume that you mean billionaire level ?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Crazy that a b-level rag, and that would be generous to US News & World Report, has become what it has as a major influence on college decisions, school district decisions, and hospital decisions.
Their staff isn't exactly a who's who either, and most of what their newer rankings use input wise for methodology is public info.
Complaining about writers and coaches ranking football teams poorly is funny because the older US News rankings were similar and heavily waited "expert" peer assessments based on a survey they'd send out to other schools.


By "b-level", I assume that you mean billionaire level ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._News_%26_World_Report
Was USNWR ever a well-regarded publication?
The pivot to rankings was genius. At this point, they send a survey and repackage a lot of public info and rake in ad and subscription revenue! Their small and somewhat inept staff was on full display when they had to pause and rerelease their law school rankings earlier this year.
Anonymous
I suspect most of those who do not respect US News college ratings & rankings never experienced the college selection process prior to its inception.

US News brought a sense of order and understanding to the chaotic, baseless, and mysterious world of college selection that thrived primarily on a school counselor's relationship with the local college representatives.
Anonymous
I feel like football should have its own divisions.

Makes no sense for kids on the golf team to have to fly all over gods green earth. Often players in these non-revenue generating sports got an admissions tip, but receive no scholarship. And now this?

Some of these football teams fly charter. Not so much the diving team.
Anonymous
Congratulations to FSU (Florida State University) football team which destroyed #5 ranked LSU last night 45 to 21 !

FSU is definitely ready for SEC membership. Should be ranked #1 after this week.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I feel like football should have its own divisions.

Makes no sense for kids on the golf team to have to fly all over gods green earth. Often players in these non-revenue generating sports got an admissions tip, but receive no scholarship. And now this?

Some of these football teams fly charter. Not so much the diving team.


Agree. Fencing & sailing are other Stanford teams with few members.

Maybe members of Stanford's olympic sports teams will stop participating as a Stanford team member after one year of repeated cross-country travel. Bet that these athletes will give more consideration to Ivy League schools than to living on an airplane with Stanford.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Congratulations to FSU (Florida State University) football team which destroyed #5 ranked LSU last night 45 to 21 !

FSU is definitely ready for SEC membership. Should be ranked #1 after this week.


Combined with a Florida loss to Utah, there is now even less of a chance that Florida wants them in the SEC
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Congratulations to FSU (Florida State University) football team which destroyed #5 ranked LSU last night 45 to 21 !

FSU is definitely ready for SEC membership. Should be ranked #1 after this week.


Combined with a Florida loss to Utah, there is now even less of a chance that Florida wants them in the SEC


Agree.

The University of Florida is probably better suited for the Big Ten Conference--as is the University of Texas--than the SEC.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I suspect most of those who do not respect US News college ratings & rankings never experienced the college selection process prior to its inception.

US News brought a sense of order and understanding to the chaotic, baseless, and mysterious world of college selection that thrived primarily on a school counselor's relationship with the local college representatives.


No it didn't. I applied to colleges before the first rankings. the 'rankings" are plain stupid and didn't bring any order at all.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Crazy that a b-level rag, and that would be generous to US News & World Report, has become what it has as a major influence on college decisions, school district decisions, and hospital decisions.
Their staff isn't exactly a who's who either, and most of what their newer rankings use input wise for methodology is public info.
Complaining about writers and coaches ranking football teams poorly is funny because the older US News rankings were similar and heavily waited "expert" peer assessments based on a survey they'd send out to other schools.


By "b-level", I assume that you mean billionaire level ?


B as in bribery, b.s. made up stats and bogus formulas.
Anonymous
SEC sports analyst Paul Finebaum disapproves of the ACC's recent expansion move:

https://si.com/college/stanford/football/paul-finebaum-acc-expansion-adding-stanford-cal-smu-college-football-realignment
Anonymous
Due to the large & growing revenue gap between the Big Ten/SEC and the ACC, any teams staying in the ACC for more than 5 years will become non-relevant:

https://chopchat.com/2023/09/02/acc-expansion-means-three-teams-serious-football/
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:’m not sure what your point is? SMU alumni are excited to watch SMU, as well as the fans of the team they’re playing. That is the most you can say about the majority of teams in most of the time, and I would include FSU in that group in recent years. I think it’s still 2014 in the minds of FSU boosters, but the rest of the world has moved on. In the ACC, Clemson is the only “must watch” team, and their star seems to fading a bit.

Besides, SMU was a “must watch” team pre death penalty, and now they have a chance to get there again. We’ll see. Not to mention that there is value to the ACC teams to playing in the heart of the best football recruiting grounds in the US.



I played for Texas, so yes. I am biased. I grew up in Dallas watching the "Pony Express". They were cheaters and deserved the death penalty. I am sure that SMU alumni want to watch their team on TV.

My point is that I don't want to watch SMU play any school in the ACC. It's just lame TV. If Bama is playing LSU, Texas is plating Oklahoma, Georgia is playing Clemson what game would I watch? SMU vs whatever?


We’re not talking about now. Where will SMU be in 3-4 years? However, it sounds like you played against SMU when they were good. So, no, it’s not a surprise that you would bear a grudge and not want to watch. In any case, I noticed FSU is not on your “must watch” list, which was my point. And sure, I’ll watch the big matchups — I’ll probably watch LSU-FSU tomorrow night. But I probably wouldn’t if it was FSU and a random G5 team. I didn’t watch Bama or Georgia today. I have a friend who went to Wyoming, and we’ve followed the team since the time Josh Allen was playing, so I greatly enjoyed watching them beat Tech tonight. See how that works?

If you were recruited by Texas (and presumably other schools) then you also know that every school was doing it. I went to a Texas HS with a top football team, and I had multiple 4 & 5* friends recruited during that era, and they said there were recruiting violations at every school they visited. In fact, one friend said the most blatant was Rice. SMU’s mistake was being successful and beating Texas twice. (FWIW, Eric Dickerson’s infamous gold Trans Am was bought by an Aggie booster.) Punishment was one thing, but the NCAA was pushed hard by Texas and others to go for the death penalty, and it’s pretty clear that it was a terrible idea (judging by the fact that they’ve never done it again to any number of schools that have done things that were worse, by any measure). Who knows how SMU will do in the ACC, but now they’ll have their chance, which is long overdue.

I will agree with you to a point. I did get recruited to several D1 programs back in the day. The SWC was crazy back then. Money was passed around to the top players. The things that happened at SMU were outrageous. I don't think the death penalty was the right punishment for SMU. And you correct in that the NCAA will not sentence any other schools to the death penalty despite egregious violations of NCAA rules. It makes no sense to do it Dollar wise.

BTW, Texas did not push for the death penalty for SMU. Please give me a source for that outlandish claim!



Anonymous
The 25 largest college football stadiums by seating capacity:

https://ncaa.com/news/football/article/2018-07-30/25-biggest-college-football-stadiums-country
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