Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic

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Whether he acted like a 9 yr old or a 25 yr old or a dutiful son or whatever, can you imagine the mother!? She must be beside herself that DH's stupid hobby took her son.

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Anonymous wrote:“WASHINGTON—A top secret U.S. Navy acoustic detection system designed to spot enemy submarines first heard the Titan sub implosion hours after the submersible began its mission, officials involved in the search said.
The Navy began listening for the Titan almost as soon as the sub lost communications, according to a U.S. defense official. Shortly after its disappearance, the U.S. system detected what it suspected was the sound of an implosion near the debris site discovered Thursday and reported its findings to the commander on site, U.S. defense officials said.”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-navy-detected-titan-sub-implosion-days-ago-6844cb12

If they knew that why did they send so many ships and planes? Or are they only realizing this in retrospect?

Likely retrospect. Plus they didn't KNOW for sure that it was the Titan imploding. Until they had confirmation they couldn't just be like - well we detected a boom around that time, that was prob your guys, oh well. So they sent whatever assets they had that could get there- which up until last night was just planes and ships that couldn't get down that deep.

Makes sense.

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Anonymous wrote:“These men were true explorers who shared a distinct spirit of adventure, and a deep passion for exploring and protecting the world’s oceans." -- Statement from Oceangate

They use the word explorers repeatedly. They were not all explorers - three of them were CUSTOMERS.

I'd like to know exactly what the "true explorers" did to protect the world's oceans - especially a 19 year old.

Does Oceangate really think we are all so gullible as to believe this??

Please! Respect the 48 hour rule if nothing else.

Agree.

These men are heroes.

Umm, no.

Are sky divers heroes? how about base jumpers? Race car drivers? Stunt people? Are they also heroes?

They are reckless is what they are. Almost always men with insecurities and inflated egos.

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I hope they learn from this and Titanic will become more open to the masses as space will become.

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Anonymous wrote:That poor kid. I wonder if the parents fought over this before they went. I realize the son was 19 and an adult, but parent pressure can be the worst.

I’d sooner divorce or even kidnap my kid than allow my DH do this. Never ever in a million years.
Honestly, what a sh&tty father.

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I am genuinely sad for the 19yr old.

sad because he’s younger than the rest? It is sad, sad that all the men died. He wasn’t a baby. God, some people have kids at 19, they have jobs, responsibilities. Why are we acting like he was 9? If his father was abusive and forced him into the crap device, then that’s concerning, but that’s not the case here. Do we feel this bad if a 19 year old has a motorcycle accident while riding with his dad? Or if a 19 year old dies while sky diving with Dad? I feel equal sorrow for everyone. The dad was only 48, he was very young also.

Yeah I mean it struck me that the dad's own dad is in his late 70s/early 80s. That man lost a son and a grandson.

I feel for the families. But yeah, a 48 year old has potentially another 50 years of life, even the oldest man was 77 years young. Sadly, you can die at any age. These men were robbed of life, they made one bad decision, like many people do, and that’s it, show’s over.

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If the Twitter report at 18:26 is true (that they were trying to release ballast at the time comms were lost) they probably imploded because they were descending too fast. Per the expert quoted in this article, descending too fast can cause excess stress on the vehicle. You try to descend in a controlled manner is so that everything in the vehicle has the ability to acclimate to the increased pressure.

https://www.wfla.com/news/national/rescuers-make-a-last-desperate-push-as-final-hours-of-oxygen-on-the-missing-titanic-sub-tick-down/

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Anonymous wrote:Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

I am genuinely sad for the 19yr old.

sad because he’s younger than the rest? It is sad, sad that all the men died. He wasn’t a baby. God, some people have kids at 19, they have jobs, responsibilities. Why are we acting like he was 9? If his father was abusive and forced him into the crap device, then that’s concerning, but that’s not the case here. Do we feel this bad if a 19 year old has a motorcycle accident while riding with his dad? Or if a 19 year old dies while sky diving with Dad? I feel equal sorrow for everyone. The dad was only 48, he was very young also.

Yeah I mean it struck me that the dad's own dad is in his late 70s/early 80s. That man lost a son and a grandson.

I feel for the families. But yeah, a 48 year old has potentially another 50 years of life, even the oldest man was 77 years young. Sadly, you can die at any age. These men were robbed of life, they made one bad decision, like many people do, and that’s it, show’s over.

They weren't robbed; they made a choice (minus the kid). Robbed is being murdered, killed by a drunk driver, plane crash etc. Signing a waiver that notes "death" in it four times is a choice.

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Anonymous wrote:That poor kid. I wonder if the parents fought over this before they went. I realize the son was 19 and an adult, but parent pressure can be the worst.

I’d sooner divorce or even kidnap my kid than allow my DH do this. Never ever in a million years.
Honestly, what a sh&tty father.

My DH was going to fly in a small private plane and I threatened to leave him. That would be it for me. No way would I allow my kid to go, no matter what age, I’d be long gone. I’d make it really clear that I disapproved. They may eventually choose to make poor decisions and that’s something I have to deal with.

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Anonymous wrote:If the Twitter report at 18:26 is true (that they were trying to release ballast at the time comms were lost) they probably imploded because they were descending too fast. Per the expert quoted in this article, descending too fast can cause excess stress on the vehicle. You try to descend in a controlled manner is so that everything in the vehicle has the ability to acclimate to the increased pressure.

https://www.wfla.com/news/national/rescuers-make-a-last-desperate-push-as-final-hours-of-oxygen-on-the-missing-titanic-sub-tick-down/

Plus given that subs are never made of carbon fiber, no one knows how material fatigue played in here. This sub had made dives before and then also been grounded because there were safety concerns which were apparently "fixed." Something gets stuck, they descend too fast, the material isn't as strong anymore as it's supposed to be because it's deteriorated microscopically in prior dives, and the material can't withstand the pressure.

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Anonymous wrote:Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

I am genuinely sad for the 19yr old.

sad because he’s younger than the rest? It is sad, sad that all the men died. He wasn’t a baby. God, some people have kids at 19, they have jobs, responsibilities. Why are we acting like he was 9? If his father was abusive and forced him into the crap device, then that’s concerning, but that’s not the case here. Do we feel this bad if a 19 year old has a motorcycle accident while riding with his dad? Or if a 19 year old dies while sky diving with Dad? I feel equal sorrow for everyone. The dad was only 48, he was very young also.

Yeah I mean it struck me that the dad's own dad is in his late 70s/early 80s. That man lost a son and a grandson.

I feel for the families. But yeah, a 48 year old has potentially another 50 years of life, even the oldest man was 77 years young. Sadly, you can die at any age. These men were robbed of life, they made one bad decision, like many people do, and that’s it, show’s over.

They weren't robbed; they made a choice (minus the kid). Robbed is being murdered, killed by a drunk driver, plane crash etc. Signing a waiver that notes "death" in it four times is a choice.

But it has been done before and people survived, they didn’t believe they would be the ones to implode.

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Anonymous wrote:So per the kid's older sister, he didn't want to go on the sub and only did it bc it was Fathers Day/his father was Titanic obsessed (others had dropped out so seats opened up). Per his aunt - he was terrified of going and had expressed to other family members that he was terrified.

Wow. Learn to say no - even to mommy and daddy - folks. Or as I said before why on earth could mom not step in here and tell DH he was free to do what he wanted but her DS wasn't going esp since he was terrified!?

What makes you think the mother had any say in this matter? Different culture.

The mother is white/British. She's not a subservient Pakistani woman - and btw if you think Pakistani women are subservient with respect to their baby boys lol you don't know our culture. Mama always wins re her kids and esp her son at this age.

The culture issue may not be Pakistani vs European culture as much as billionaire culture. We don't know how this guy was - he actually wasn't a billionaire, "only" worth hundreds of millions. We don't know if this was a family where daddy was like you live this life because of MY money, MY empire, we'll do things MY way - and everyone went with it because of course they liked their rich lifestyle.

The guy was 19 yrs old, not 9. I mean really. I know kids are taking longer to grow up these days but man, he was 19. He could’ve said no, my kids refuse to go everywhere with me. Not blaming him but let’s not act like he was a child.

I agree with you but LOTS of 19 year old MEN these days may as well be 9. Hell lots of 25 year old men these days aren't their own man yet. All I'm saying is it isn't hard for a rich daddy to influence a 19 year old in this day and age.

They may as well be 9, but they aren’t 9. Huge difference. 25 year olds may as well be 12. It’s sad he had a rich dad. A shame he had no autonomy.

Look, no one twisted the 19 year old man’s arm to ride that crap device.

How do you know what kind of pressure his dad put on him? People on DCUM regularly talk about withholding college tuition payment or cutting off the cell phone if their college age kids don't do whatever it is their parents want or stop doing something, it's extremely common for parents to use their money and power to control college age kids even if the kids are technically adults.

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Anonymous wrote:Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

I am genuinely sad for the 19yr old.

sad because he’s younger than the rest? It is sad, sad that all the men died. He wasn’t a baby. God, some people have kids at 19, they have jobs, responsibilities. Why are we acting like he was 9? If his father was abusive and forced him into the crap device, then that’s concerning, but that’s not the case here. Do we feel this bad if a 19 year old has a motorcycle accident while riding with his dad? Or if a 19 year old dies while sky diving with Dad? I feel equal sorrow for everyone. The dad was only 48, he was very young also.

Yeah I mean it struck me that the dad's own dad is in his late 70s/early 80s. That man lost a son and a grandson.

I feel for the families. But yeah, a 48 year old has potentially another 50 years of life, even the oldest man was 77 years young. Sadly, you can die at any age. These men were robbed of life, they made one bad decision, like many people do, and that’s it, show’s over.

They weren't robbed; they made a choice (minus the kid). Robbed is being murdered, killed by a drunk driver, plane crash etc. Signing a waiver that notes "death" in it four times is a choice.

I get it. This didn't happen TO THEM. They did it - they chose to go down there in a carbon fiber mini van after signing waivers noting death. So yeah terrible decision. But just because someone makes terrible decisions doesn't mean they deserve to die.

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The 19-year-old passenger "wasn't very up for it" and felt "terrified" about the trip to explore the Titanic wreckage, his aunt said.

He ended up going because he was eager to please his dad, who was passionate about the lore of the ship, she said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/titanic-submersible-shahwood-suleman-family-tragedy-rcna90678