ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone ever explained in these 1170+ pages why MLSN academies would want to stay BY? Just to maintain status quo? I’ve never seen anyone connect the dots for how BY is creating better professional players. “International alignment” isn’t itself a good reason unless it can be connected to a better result for MLS (not youth national teams). Otherwise it’s just logically the same as mandating all clubs stop using “SC” in their name and start using “FC” because more foreign clubs use that.

Its because MLSN is owned by MLS.

MLS is a professional league and because of this SY has no meaning.

Right… a professional league where all of its kids are school aged…you aren’t dodging the question or anything

Yes, a youth league run by pro clubs. This is why SY doesnt make sense. It doesnt apply and creates unwanted associations with school grade.

“Unwanted associations”… you are slicing the bologna pretty thin.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone ever explained in these 1170+ pages why MLSN academies would want to stay BY? Just to maintain status quo? I’ve never seen anyone connect the dots for how BY is creating better professional players. “International alignment” isn’t itself a good reason unless it can be connected to a better result for MLS (not youth national teams). Otherwise it’s just logically the same as mandating all clubs stop using “SC” in their name and start using “FC” because more foreign clubs use that.

Its because MLSN is owned by MLS.

MLS is a professional league and because of this SY has no meaning.

Right… a professional league where all of its kids are school aged…you aren’t dodging the question or anything

Yes, a youth league run by pro clubs. This is why SY doesnt make sense. It doesnt apply and creates unwanted associations with school grade.

“Unwanted associations”… you are slicing the bologna pretty thin.

Unwanted associations simply means that clubs dont want players grouped by somthing artificial like grade in school. If a player has the physical ability to play professionally at 15 years old this is what they want to occur. They dont want that player being grouped with and called a freshman in HS. See how it works? Playing ability is completely separate from grade in school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone ever explained in these 1170+ pages why MLSN academies would want to stay BY? Just to maintain status quo? I’ve never seen anyone connect the dots for how BY is creating better professional players. “International alignment” isn’t itself a good reason unless it can be connected to a better result for MLS (not youth national teams). Otherwise it’s just logically the same as mandating all clubs stop using “SC” in their name and start using “FC” because more foreign clubs use that.

Its because MLSN is owned by MLS.

MLS is a professional league and because of this SY has no meaning.

Right… a professional league where all of its kids are school aged…you aren’t dodging the question or anything

Yes, a youth league run by pro clubs. This is why SY doesnt make sense. It doesnt apply and creates unwanted associations with school grade.

“Unwanted associations”… you are slicing the bologna pretty thin.

You really are a dunce.

You post like crazy about things you feel passionate about. But at the same time you have no clue of the details and history of the things you either hate of like.

[Anonymous]

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The 2nd tier should be named "MLS Next Next" .

It is aspirational which helps opening the check books of the parents.

MLS Next Too (much money)

How is MLSN p2p any different than any other high level league from a cost perspective?

Here in Minnesota, our club is charging from $3500 to $3900 (depending on the ages) for MLS Next 2.

$5500 for my daughters ECNL club in California.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“As of right now there does not look to be any changes from for the Trapped U15 player rule. The league is currently reviewing Competition Rules and will send out any highlighted changes before the season starts.”

Sent to my buddy who’s a director for ECNL club.

I believe U15 trapped players are eligible to play U14 during their high school season but that’s it. Curious to see what the completion rule changes will be.

They are eligible to 'practice' with U14. They cannot play any games or tournaments.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone ever explained in these 1170+ pages why MLSN academies would want to stay BY? Just to maintain status quo? I’ve never seen anyone connect the dots for how BY is creating better professional players. “International alignment” isn’t itself a good reason unless it can be connected to a better result for MLS (not youth national teams). Otherwise it’s just logically the same as mandating all clubs stop using “SC” in their name and start using “FC” because more foreign clubs use that.

Its because MLSN is owned by MLS.

MLS is a professional league and because of this SY has no meaning.

Right… a professional league where all of its kids are school aged…you aren’t dodging the question or anything

Yes, a youth league run by pro clubs. This is why SY doesnt make sense. It doesnt apply and creates unwanted associations with school grade.

“Unwanted associations”… you are slicing the bologna pretty thin.

You really are a dunce.

You post like crazy about things you feel passionate about. But at the same time you have no clue of the details and history of the things you either hate of like.

Says the dunce that cannot disentangle that SY is just a temporary acronym to describe the 8/1 age cutoff. SY as an acronym won’t mean anything a year from now once everything goes back to 8/1. And you’ll have to find something else to do with your time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“As of right now there does not look to be any changes from for the Trapped U15 player rule. The league is currently reviewing Competition Rules and will send out any highlighted changes before the season starts.”

Sent to my buddy who’s a director for ECNL club.

Only rules I’ve heard rumors about is US club is supposedly not going to allow players to be double rostered within its own league.

So you can play ECNL and RL for your same club but can’t play for separate clubs unless you’re a discovery player.

But no more GA or MLSN guest playing.

How exactly does ECNL plan to police this?

Also if this was enforced at the ECNL level they'd be inviting a lawsuit that would effect the entire league.

I've seen clubs try to do this with players but 9x out of 10 its just hot air because they know that they'll lose in court and likely lose a top player.

I have no idea? Just was told if players are caught playing outside of their club it could result in their ECNL or RL club forfeiting games. I guess we will see what these new rules for ECNL will be according to the post.

Not a new rule. Always been a rule and a few Nj clubs got caught and forfieted games thsi last spring and were kept out of playoffs.

Except as provided below, if an ECNL Registered Player plays in a
US Soccer member-sanctioned 11v11 outdoor competition for a different club
besides the ECNL Club to which he/she is registered as an ECNL Registered
Player after the date he/she became rostered as an ECNL Registered Player
(“Multiple Club Rostering”), the eligibility of the ECNL Registered Player will be
reviewed by the ECNL Commissioner. If it is determined by the ECNL
Commissioner that the ECNL Club to which the ECNL Registered Player is
registered was aware of the Multiple Club Rostering, the ECNL Commissioner
may take any or all of the following actions, without limitation: (i) declare the
ECNL Registered Player ineligible for the remainder of that ECNL Season; (ii)
declare all games in which the ECNL Registered Player appeared on the ECNL
Roster as forfeits by the ECNL Team on which such player was rostered; and / or
(iii) recommend revocation of the ECNL Member Club’s membership in the
ECNL.

Only applies to playing on multiple ECNL teams at the same time.

Read again my friend, or ask PDA if it only applies to other ECNL clubs.
It says "any US Soccer sanctioned 11v11". US Soccer includes ECNL, US Club, USYS, GA, MLSNext, AYSO, etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“As of right now there does not look to be any changes from for the Trapped U15 player rule. The league is currently reviewing Competition Rules and will send out any highlighted changes before the season starts.”

Sent to my buddy who’s a director for ECNL club.

Only rules I’ve heard rumors about is US club is supposedly not going to allow players to be double rostered within its own league.

So you can play ECNL and RL for your same club but can’t play for separate clubs unless you’re a discovery player.

But no more GA or MLSN guest playing.

How exactly does ECNL plan to police this?

Also if this was enforced at the ECNL level they'd be inviting a lawsuit that would effect the entire league.

I've seen clubs try to do this with players but 9x out of 10 it’s just hot air because they know that they'll lose in court and likely lose a top player.

Why don’t you go ask PDA 2011 ECNL club why they had to forfeit their entire spring season.
We’re using too many non discovery players and got busted.
ECNL is bringing the hammer down on teams going forward.
They don’t want “their” players representing Ga or MLSN as guests.

This will last as long as it takes for some lawyer to file a case against ECNL. Clubs and Leagues dont own players. Unless youre MLSN + under contract.

It all comes down to leagues playing chicken with clubs and clubs playing chicken with parents. If they can scare you into following their unofficial rules they've won.

What case are you going to file? Youth players in ECNL aren't paid, so there is not obligation. They are a private entity and free to set their rules. You are right they don't own players, but they set their rules and if you don't like them or cant follow them, you are welcome to play elsewhere. No one is forcing you to play ECNL.

in MLSNext, the contracts are to establish rights/ownership under FIFA rules, so that a) player is tied to club as homegrown, and b) if the player ever becomes good enough, they have documentation for when they sell the player on to a foreign club for cash, or future reimbursement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“As of right now there does not look to be any changes from for the Trapped U15 player rule. The league is currently reviewing Competition Rules and will send out any highlighted changes before the season starts.”

Sent to my buddy who’s a director for ECNL club.

Only rules I’ve heard rumors about is US club is supposedly not going to allow players to be double rostered within its own league.

So you can play ECNL and RL for your same club but can’t play for separate clubs unless you’re a discovery player.

But no more GA or MLSN guest playing.

How exactly does ECNL plan to police this?

Also if this was enforced at the ECNL level they'd be inviting a lawsuit that would effect the entire league.

I've seen clubs try to do this with players but 9x out of 10 it’s just hot air because they know that they'll lose in court and likely lose a top player.

Why don’t you go ask PDA 2011 ECNL club why they had to forfeit their entire spring season.
We’re using too many non discovery players and got busted.
ECNL is bringing the hammer down on teams going forward.
They don’t want “their” players representing Ga or MLSN as guests.

This will last as long as it takes for some lawyer to file a case against ECNL. Clubs and Leagues dont own players. Unless youre MLSN + under contract.

It all comes down to leagues playing chicken with clubs and clubs playing chicken with parents. If they can scare you into following their unofficial rules they've won.

What case are you going to file? Youth players in ECNL aren't paid, so there is not obligation. They are a private entity and free to set their rules. You are right they don't own players, but they set their rules and if you don't like them or cant follow them, you are welcome to play elsewhere. No one is forcing you to play ECNL.

in MLSNext, the contracts are to establish rights/ownership under FIFA rules, so that a) player is tied to club as homegrown, and b) if the player ever becomes good enough, they have documentation for when they sell the player on to a foreign club for cash, or future reimbursement.

Well if ECNL is the main place, monopoly, on girls college recruiting, then antitrust can be an issue. Their rule could be seen as unlawfully exerting their monopoly power.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“As of right now there does not look to be any changes from for the Trapped U15 player rule. The league is currently reviewing Competition Rules and will send out any highlighted changes before the season starts.”

Sent to my buddy who’s a director for ECNL club.

Only rules I’ve heard rumors about is US club is supposedly not going to allow players to be double rostered within its own league.

So you can play ECNL and RL for your same club but can’t play for separate clubs unless you’re a discovery player.

But no more GA or MLSN guest playing.

How exactly does ECNL plan to police this?

Also if this was enforced at the ECNL level they'd be inviting a lawsuit that would effect the entire league.

I've seen clubs try to do this with players but 9x out of 10 its just hot air because they know that they'll lose in court and likely lose a top player.

I have no idea? Just was told if players are caught playing outside of their club it could result in their ECNL or RL club forfeiting games. I guess we will see what these new rules for ECNL will be according to the post.

Not a new rule. Always been a rule and a few Nj clubs got caught and forfieted games thsi last spring and were kept out of playoffs.

Except as provided below, if an ECNL Registered Player plays in a
US Soccer member-sanctioned 11v11 outdoor competition for a different club
besides the ECNL Club to which he/she is registered as an ECNL Registered
Player after the date he/she became rostered as an ECNL Registered Player
(“Multiple Club Rostering”), the eligibility of the ECNL Registered Player will be
reviewed by the ECNL Commissioner. If it is determined by the ECNL
Commissioner that the ECNL Club to which the ECNL Registered Player is
registered was aware of the Multiple Club Rostering, the ECNL Commissioner
may take any or all of the following actions, without limitation: (i) declare the
ECNL Registered Player ineligible for the remainder of that ECNL Season; (ii)
declare all games in which the ECNL Registered Player appeared on the ECNL
Roster as forfeits by the ECNL Team on which such player was rostered; and / or
(iii) recommend revocation of the ECNL Member Club’s membership in the
ECNL.

Only applies to playing on multiple ECNL teams at the same time.

Read again my friend, or ask PDA if it only applies to other ECNL clubs.
It says "any US Soccer sanctioned 11v11". US Soccer includes ECNL, US Club, USYS, GA, MLSNext, AYSO, etc.

Has no teeth and if ECNlL chooses to go down this route it will fail. First it's setting up a lawsuit situation and what Judge is going to side with a league that booted a young kid for wanting to play more than the league offers? Second you're going to get a famous someone that tells the story about getting kicked out of ECNL for playing too much.

A better way for ECNL to approach this is to mandate attendance at events. If you miss X number of practices, games, or events (most likely because the kid is playing on several teams) ECNL has the option to boot them from the club/league. This gets the same result without the liability.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone ever explained in these 1170+ pages why MLSN academies would want to stay BY? Just to maintain status quo? I’ve never seen anyone connect the dots for how BY is creating better professional players. “International alignment” isn’t itself a good reason unless it can be connected to a better result for MLS (not youth national teams). Otherwise it’s just logically the same as mandating all clubs stop using “SC” in their name and start using “FC” because more foreign clubs use that.

Just because you reject their reason, doesn’t mean nobody has addressed it. MLSN is not concerned about your trapped kid. They want to get to a point that they each academy can put an 18yo on a European team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“As of right now there does not look to be any changes from for the Trapped U15 player rule. The league is currently reviewing Competition Rules and will send out any highlighted changes before the season starts.”

Sent to my buddy who’s a director for ECNL club.

Only rules I’ve heard rumors about is US club is supposedly not going to allow players to be double rostered within its own league.

So you can play ECNL and RL for your same club but can’t play for separate clubs unless you’re a discovery player.

But no more GA or MLSN guest playing.

How exactly does ECNL plan to police this?

Also if this was enforced at the ECNL level they'd be inviting a lawsuit that would effect the entire league.

I've seen clubs try to do this with players but 9x out of 10 it’s just hot air because they know that they'll lose in court and likely lose a top player.

Why don’t you go ask PDA 2011 ECNL club why they had to forfeit their entire spring season.
We’re using too many non discovery players and got busted.
ECNL is bringing the hammer down on teams going forward.
They don’t want “their” players representing Ga or MLSN as guests.

This will last as long as it takes for some lawyer to file a case against ECNL. Clubs and Leagues dont own players. Unless youre MLSN + under contract.

It all comes down to leagues playing chicken with clubs and clubs playing chicken with parents. If they can scare you into following their unofficial rules they've won.

What case are you going to file? Youth players in ECNL aren't paid, so there is not obligation. They are a private entity and free to set their rules. You are right they don't own players, but they set their rules and if you don't like them or cant follow them, you are welcome to play elsewhere. No one is forcing you to play ECNL.

in MLSNext, the contracts are to establish rights/ownership under FIFA rules, so that a) player is tied to club as homegrown, and b) if the player ever becomes good enough, they have documentation for when they sell the player on to a foreign club for cash, or future reimbursement.

Well if ECNL is the main place, monopoly, on girls college recruiting, then antitrust can be an issue. Their rule could be seen as unlawfully exerting their monopoly power.

HAHAHAHAH - less than 4% of age 13+ US youth soccer players play ECNL or ECRL (source: ECNL podcast). Between this monopoly comment and "MLSN doesn't want to be 'associated' with SY", we have some real comedy on here today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“As of right now there does not look to be any changes from for the Trapped U15 player rule. The league is currently reviewing Competition Rules and will send out any highlighted changes before the season starts.”

Sent to my buddy who’s a director for ECNL club.

I believe U15 trapped players are eligible to play U14 during their high school season but that’s it. Curious to see what the completion rule changes will be.

They are eligible to 'practice' with U14. They cannot play any games or tournaments.

Not true they can play games and/or showcases. Teams can use two trapped players per game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“As of right now there does not look to be any changes from for the Trapped U15 player rule. The league is currently reviewing Competition Rules and will send out any highlighted changes before the season starts.”

Sent to my buddy who’s a director for ECNL club.

Only rules I’ve heard rumors about is US club is supposedly not going to allow players to be double rostered within its own league.

So you can play ECNL and RL for your same club but can’t play for separate clubs unless you’re a discovery player.

But no more GA or MLSN guest playing.

How exactly does ECNL plan to police this?

Also if this was enforced at the ECNL level they'd be inviting a lawsuit that would effect the entire league.

I've seen clubs try to do this with players but 9x out of 10 its just hot air because they know that they'll lose in court and likely lose a top player.

I have no idea? Just was told if players are caught playing outside of their club it could result in their ECNL or RL club forfeiting games. I guess we will see what these new rules for ECNL will be according to the post.

Not a new rule. Always been a rule and a few Nj clubs got caught and forfieted games thsi last spring and were kept out of playoffs.

Except as provided below, if an ECNL Registered Player plays in a
US Soccer member-sanctioned 11v11 outdoor competition for a different club
besides the ECNL Club to which he/she is registered as an ECNL Registered
Player after the date he/she became rostered as an ECNL Registered Player
(“Multiple Club Rostering”), the eligibility of the ECNL Registered Player will be
reviewed by the ECNL Commissioner. If it is determined by the ECNL
Commissioner that the ECNL Club to which the ECNL Registered Player is
registered was aware of the Multiple Club Rostering, the ECNL Commissioner
may take any or all of the following actions, without limitation: (i) declare the
ECNL Registered Player ineligible for the remainder of that ECNL Season; (ii)
declare all games in which the ECNL Registered Player appeared on the ECNL
Roster as forfeits by the ECNL Team on which such player was rostered; and / or
(iii) recommend revocation of the ECNL Member Club’s membership in the
ECNL.

Only applies to playing on multiple ECNL teams at the same time.

Read again my friend, or ask PDA if it only applies to other ECNL clubs.
It says "any US Soccer sanctioned 11v11". US Soccer includes ECNL, US Club, USYS, GA, MLSNext, AYSO, etc.

Has no teeth and if ECNlL chooses to go down this route it will fail. First it's setting up a lawsuit situation and what Judge is going to side with a league that booted a young kid for wanting to play more than the league offers? Second you're going to get a famous someone that tells the story about getting kicked out of ECNL for playing too much.

A better way for ECNL to approach this is to mandate attendance at events. If you miss X number of practices, games, or events (most likely because the kid is playing on several teams) ECNL has the option to boot them from the club/league. This gets the same result without the liability.

Kid won’t get booted the team will forget games. So that will piss off the parents on coaches of that team.

It just wouldn’t be worth it if ECNL is going to potentially disqualify your team from nationals

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“As of right now there does not look to be any changes from for the Trapped U15 player rule. The league is currently reviewing Competition Rules and will send out any highlighted changes before the season starts.”

Sent to my buddy who’s a director for ECNL club.

Only rules I’ve heard rumors about is US club is supposedly not going to allow players to be double rostered within its own league.

So you can play ECNL and RL for your same club but can’t play for separate clubs unless you’re a discovery player.

But no more GA or MLSN guest playing.

How exactly does ECNL plan to police this?

Also if this was enforced at the ECNL level they'd be inviting a lawsuit that would effect the entire league.

I've seen clubs try to do this with players but 9x out of 10 it’s just hot air because they know that they'll lose in court and likely lose a top player.

Why don’t you go ask PDA 2011 ECNL club why they had to forfeit their entire spring season.
We’re using too many non discovery players and got busted.
ECNL is bringing the hammer down on teams going forward.
They don’t want “their” players representing Ga or MLSN as guests.

This will last as long as it takes for some lawyer to file a case against ECNL. Clubs and Leagues dont own players. Unless youre MLSN + under contract.

It all comes down to leagues playing chicken with clubs and clubs playing chicken with parents. If they can scare you into following their unofficial rules they've won.

What case are you going to file? Youth players in ECNL aren't paid, so there is not obligation. They are a private entity and free to set their rules. You are right they don't own players, but they set their rules and if you don't like them or cant follow them, you are welcome to play elsewhere. No one is forcing you to play ECNL.

in MLSNext, the contracts are to establish rights/ownership under FIFA rules, so that a) player is tied to club as homegrown, and b) if the player ever becomes good enough, they have documentation for when they sell the player on to a foreign club for cash, or future reimbursement.

Well if ECNL is the main place, monopoly, on girls college recruiting, then antitrust can be an issue. Their rule could be seen as unlawfully exerting their monopoly power.

HAHAHAHAH - less than 4% of age 13+ US youth soccer players play ECNL or ECRL (source: ECNL podcast). Between this monopoly comment and "MLSN doesn't want to be 'associated' with SY", we have some real comedy on here today.