ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“As of right now there does not look to be any changes from for the Trapped U15 player rule. The league is currently reviewing Competition Rules and will send out any highlighted changes before the season starts.”

Sent to my buddy who’s a director for ECNL club.

Only rules I’ve heard rumors about is US club is supposedly not going to allow players to be double rostered within its own league.

So you can play ECNL and RL for your same club but can’t play for separate clubs unless you’re a discovery player.

But no more GA or MLSN guest playing.

How exactly does ECNL plan to police this?

Also if this was enforced at the ECNL level they'd be inviting a lawsuit that would effect the entire league.

I've seen clubs try to do this with players but 9x out of 10 it’s just hot air because they know that they'll lose in court and likely lose a top player.

Why don’t you go ask PDA 2011 ECNL club why they had to forfeit their entire spring season.
We’re using too many non discovery players and got busted.
ECNL is bringing the hammer down on teams going forward.
They don’t want “their” players representing Ga or MLSN as guests.

[Anonymous]

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Did someone say MLSN can start their own BY u-little ecosystem?

This is an organization that still haven't announced the names of its tiers , 1 month away from the start of season.

The person has been writing a fantasy novel about MLSN and NWSL destroying ECNL and all of the other leagues that went 8/1.

No, multiple people are pointing out that there are many different potential outcomes. You obviously have your ECNL hat screwed on tight and want a specific outcome to occur. Which is odd because why do you care what other leagues do?

I don't care what MLSN does, we have experience with both leagues. Why does calling out MLSN ineptitude bother you so much?

Its just so onvious that you have an irrational hatred for MLSN.

Sorry your kid got cut from the team. Maybe playing at a lower more appropriate level will help them out. Just think how lucky you would be if your kid had an Aug birthday and they could play down with kids a grade below them in school when ECNL switches to SY.

You are such a mouther breather you can't even spell check your one sentence reply's. MLSN isn't going to give your kid a spot because you are on the internet white knighting for them.

Wait a minute, I figured out why you want MLSN to switch to SY so badly. You think that it will give your kid another chance after being cut if MLS switched from BY to SY. I'm sorry to be the one to inform you be MLSN already has biobanding. If they thought your kid had potential they wouldn't have cut them.

This! Same epiphany I just had.

So your ephiphany had an epiphany?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:ECNL bots just here talking trash -- that's all.

On the girls side they can talk all the trash they want. ECNL is too dog there.

And I think a lot of the conflict in this whole sub thread comes from girl parents:
1. not understanding the ecosystem outside of the girls side
2. anxious about ECNL making a strategic decision that risks the girls side in favor of the boys side

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“As of right now there does not look to be any changes from for the Trapped U15 player rule. The league is currently reviewing Competition Rules and will send out any highlighted changes before the season starts.”

Sent to my buddy who’s a director for ECNL club.

Only rules I’ve heard rumors about is US club is supposedly not going to allow players to be double rostered within its own league.

So you can play ECNL and RL for your same club but can’t play for separate clubs unless you’re a discovery player.

But no more GA or MLSN guest playing.

How exactly does ECNL plan to police this?

Also if this was enforced at the ECNL level they'd be inviting a lawsuit that would effect the entire league.

I've seen clubs try to do this with players but 9x out of 10 it’s just hot air because they know that they'll lose in court and likely lose a top player.

Why don’t you go ask PDA 2011 ECNL club why they had to forfeit their entire spring season.
We’re using too many non discovery players and got busted.
ECNL is bringing the hammer down on teams going forward.
They don’t want “their” players representing Ga or MLSN as guests.

This will last as long as it takes for some lawyer to file a case against ECNL. Clubs and Leagues dont own players. Unless youre MLSN + under contract.

It all comes down to leagues playing chicken with clubs and clubs playing chicken with parents. If they can scare you into following their unofficial rules they've won.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Did someone say MLSN can start their own BY u-little ecosystem?

This is an organization that still haven't announced the names of its tiers , 1 month away from the start of season.

The person has been writing a fantasy novel about MLSN and NWSL destroying ECNL and all of the other leagues that went 8/1.

No, multiple people are pointing out that there are many different potential outcomes. You obviously have your ECNL hat screwed on tight and want a specific outcome to occur. Which is odd because why do you care what other leagues do?

I don't care what MLSN does, we have experience with both leagues. Why does calling out MLSN ineptitude bother you so much?

Its just so onvious that you have an irrational hatred for MLSN.

Sorry your kid got cut from the team. Maybe playing at a lower more appropriate level will help them out. Just think how lucky you would be if your kid had an Aug birthday and they could play down with kids a grade below them in school when ECNL switches to SY.

You are such a mouther breather you can't even spell check your one sentence reply's. MLSN isn't going to give your kid a spot because you are on the internet white knighting for them.

Wait a minute, I figured out why you want MLSN to switch to SY so badly. You think that it will give your kid another chance after being cut if MLS switched from BY to SY. I'm sorry to be the one to inform you be MLSN already has biobanding. If they thought your kid had potential they wouldn't have cut them.

This! Same epiphany I just had.

So your ephiphany had an epiphany?

Different poster Mrs. SmartyPants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“As of right now there does not look to be any changes from for the Trapped U15 player rule. The league is currently reviewing Competition Rules and will send out any highlighted changes before the season starts.”

Sent to my buddy who’s a director for ECNL club.

Only rules I’ve heard rumors about is US club is supposedly not going to allow players to be double rostered within its own league.

So you can play ECNL and RL for your same club but can’t play for separate clubs unless you’re a discovery player.

But no more GA or MLSN guest playing.

How exactly does ECNL plan to police this?

Also if this was enforced at the ECNL level they'd be inviting a lawsuit that would effect the entire league.

I've seen clubs try to do this with players but 9x out of 10 its just hot air because they know that they'll lose in court and likely lose a top player.

I have no idea? Just was told if players are caught playing outside of their club it could result in their ECNL or RL club forfeiting games. I guess we will see what these new rules for ECNL will be according to the post.

Not a new rule. Always been a rule and a few Nj clubs got caught and forfieted games thsi last spring and were kept out of playoffs.

Except as provided below, if an ECNL Registered Player plays in a
US Soccer member-sanctioned 11v11 outdoor competition for a different club
besides the ECNL Club to which he/she is registered as an ECNL Registered
Player after the date he/she became rostered as an ECNL Registered Player
(“Multiple Club Rostering”), the eligibility of the ECNL Registered Player will be
reviewed by the ECNL Commissioner. If it is determined by the ECNL
Commissioner that the ECNL Club to which the ECNL Registered Player is
registered was aware of the Multiple Club Rostering, the ECNL Commissioner
may take any or all of the following actions, without limitation: (i) declare the
ECNL Registered Player ineligible for the remainder of that ECNL Season; (ii)
declare all games in which the ECNL Registered Player appeared on the ECNL
Roster as forfeits by the ECNL Team on which such player was rostered; and / or
(iii) recommend revocation of the ECNL Member Club’s membership in the
ECNL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“As of right now there does not look to be any changes from for the Trapped U15 player rule. The league is currently reviewing Competition Rules and will send out any highlighted changes before the season starts.”

Sent to my buddy who’s a director for ECNL club.

Only rules I’ve heard rumors about is US club is supposedly not going to allow players to be double rostered within its own league.

So you can play ECNL and RL for your same club but can’t play for separate clubs unless you’re a discovery player.

But no more GA or MLSN guest playing.

How exactly does ECNL plan to police this?

Also if this was enforced at the ECNL level they'd be inviting a lawsuit that would effect the entire league.

I've seen clubs try to do this with players but 9x out of 10 its just hot air because they know that they'll lose in court and likely lose a top player.

I have no idea? Just was told if players are caught playing outside of their club it could result in their ECNL or RL club forfeiting games. I guess we will see what these new rules for ECNL will be according to the post.

Not a new rule. Always been a rule and a few Nj clubs got caught and forfieted games thsi last spring and were kept out of playoffs.

Except as provided below, if an ECNL Registered Player plays in a
US Soccer member-sanctioned 11v11 outdoor competition for a different club
besides the ECNL Club to which he/she is registered as an ECNL Registered
Player after the date he/she became rostered as an ECNL Registered Player
(“Multiple Club Rostering”), the eligibility of the ECNL Registered Player will be
reviewed by the ECNL Commissioner. If it is determined by the ECNL
Commissioner that the ECNL Club to which the ECNL Registered Player is
registered was aware of the Multiple Club Rostering, the ECNL Commissioner
may take any or all of the following actions, without limitation: (i) declare the
ECNL Registered Player ineligible for the remainder of that ECNL Season; (ii)
declare all games in which the ECNL Registered Player appeared on the ECNL
Roster as forfeits by the ECNL Team on which such player was rostered; and / or
(iii) recommend revocation of the ECNL Member Club’s membership in the
ECNL.

Only applies to playing on multiple ECNL teams at the same time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone ever explained in these 1170+ pages why MLSN academies would want to stay BY? Just to maintain status quo? I’ve never seen anyone connect the dots for how BY is creating better professional players. “International alignment” isn’t itself a good reason unless it can be connected to a better result for MLS (not youth national teams). Otherwise it’s just logically the same as mandating all clubs stop using “SC” in their name and start using “FC” because more foreign clubs use that.

Its because MLSN is owned by MLS.

MLS is a professional league and because of this SY has no meaning.

Right… a professional league where all of its kids are school aged…you aren’t dodging the question or anything

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“As of right now there does not look to be any changes from for the Trapped U15 player rule. The league is currently reviewing Competition Rules and will send out any highlighted changes before the season starts.”

Sent to my buddy who’s a director for ECNL club.

Only rules I’ve heard rumors about is US club is supposedly not going to allow players to be double rostered within its own league.

So you can play ECNL and RL for your same club but can’t play for separate clubs unless you’re a discovery player.

But no more GA or MLSN guest playing.

How exactly does ECNL plan to police this?

Also if this was enforced at the ECNL level they'd be inviting a lawsuit that would effect the entire league.

I've seen clubs try to do this with players but 9x out of 10 it’s just hot air because they know that they'll lose in court and likely lose a top player.

Why don’t you go ask PDA 2011 ECNL club why they had to forfeit their entire spring season.
We’re using too many non discovery players and got busted.
ECNL is bringing the hammer down on teams going forward.
They don’t want “their” players representing Ga or MLSN as guests.

This will last as long as it takes for some lawyer to file a case against ECNL. Clubs and Leagues dont own players. Unless youre MLSN + under contract.

It all comes down to leagues playing chicken with clubs and clubs playing chicken with parents. If they can scare you into following their unofficial rules they've won.

My guess is they will need to sign contracts like MLSN players do.
But I have no idea just commenting on this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The 2nd tier should be named "MLS Next Next" .

It is aspirational which helps opening the check books of the parents.

MLS Next Too (much money)

How is MLSN p2p any different than any other high level league from a cost perspective?

Here in Minnesota, our club is charging from $3500 to $3900 (depending on the ages) for MLS Next 2.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone ever explained in these 1170+ pages why MLSN academies would want to stay BY? Just to maintain status quo? I’ve never seen anyone connect the dots for how BY is creating better professional players. “International alignment” isn’t itself a good reason unless it can be connected to a better result for MLS (not youth national teams). Otherwise it’s just logically the same as mandating all clubs stop using “SC” in their name and start using “FC” because more foreign clubs use that.

Its because MLSN is owned by MLS.

MLS is a professional league and because of this SY has no meaning.

Right… a professional league where all of its kids are school aged…you aren’t dodging the question or anything

Yes, a youth league run by pro clubs. This is why SY doesnt make sense. It doesnt apply and creates unwanted associations with school grade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It only really matters to have one cut off date if MLS teams want to play non MLS teams.

If MLS build a wall it will make ECNL look like rec soccer.

This is not true. MLS has pathways into pro teams. If youre a youth and want to play in MLS in America you need to play in MLSN. This is the hook. MLS Acadamies dont need to conform to anyone else because players will conform to them for the opportunity to play at the highest level.

Luckily most kids don’t want to play in MLS, most choose the college route or just want to play at a high level for club. By MLS being more exclusive with age cutoff BS and closed leagues you will make it less appealing for the masses and be limited to Jan-July birthdays whose mommy and daddy can fork over the cash and can drive and fly them everywhere.

100% agree. My son is September 2014, he will play either ECNL or MLS Next, depending what league adopts SY.

No interest in MLS professional, yes in college route.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“As of right now there does not look to be any changes from for the Trapped U15 player rule. The league is currently reviewing Competition Rules and will send out any highlighted changes before the season starts.”

Sent to my buddy who’s a director for ECNL club.

Only rules I’ve heard rumors about is US club is supposedly not going to allow players to be double rostered within its own league.

So you can play ECNL and RL for your same club but can’t play for separate clubs unless you’re a discovery player.

But no more GA or MLSN guest playing.

How exactly does ECNL plan to police this?

Also if this was enforced at the ECNL level they'd be inviting a lawsuit that would effect the entire league.

I've seen clubs try to do this with players but 9x out of 10 it’s just hot air because they know that they'll lose in court and likely lose a top player.

Why don’t you go ask PDA 2011 ECNL club why they had to forfeit their entire spring season.
We’re using too many non discovery players and got busted.
ECNL is bringing the hammer down on teams going forward.
They don’t want “their” players representing Ga or MLSN as guests.

This will last as long as it takes for some lawyer to file a case against ECNL. Clubs and Leagues dont own players. Unless youre MLSN + under contract.

It all comes down to leagues playing chicken with clubs and clubs playing chicken with parents. If they can scare you into following their unofficial rules they've won.

My guess is they will need to sign contracts like MLSN players do.
But I have no idea just commenting on this.

They haven't gone this far yet. MLSN has contracts because of Homegrown players. They need to clarify which club the player is linked to if they get called up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“As of right now there does not look to be any changes from for the Trapped U15 player rule. The league is currently reviewing Competition Rules and will send out any highlighted changes before the season starts.”

Sent to my buddy who’s a director for ECNL club.

Only rules I’ve heard rumors about is US club is supposedly not going to allow players to be double rostered within its own league.

So you can play ECNL and RL for your same club but can’t play for separate clubs unless you’re a discovery player.

But no more GA or MLSN guest playing.

How exactly does ECNL plan to police this?

Also if this was enforced at the ECNL level they'd be inviting a lawsuit that would effect the entire league.

I've seen clubs try to do this with players but 9x out of 10 its just hot air because they know that they'll lose in court and likely lose a top player.

I have no idea? Just was told if players are caught playing outside of their club it could result in their ECNL or RL club forfeiting games. I guess we will see what these new rules for ECNL will be according to the post.

Not a new rule. Always been a rule and a few Nj clubs got caught and forfieted games thsi last spring and were kept out of playoffs.

Except as provided below, if an ECNL Registered Player plays in a
US Soccer member-sanctioned 11v11 outdoor competition for a different club
besides the ECNL Club to which he/she is registered as an ECNL Registered
Player after the date he/she became rostered as an ECNL Registered Player
(“Multiple Club Rostering”), the eligibility of the ECNL Registered Player will be
reviewed by the ECNL Commissioner. If it is determined by the ECNL
Commissioner that the ECNL Club to which the ECNL Registered Player is
registered was aware of the Multiple Club Rostering, the ECNL Commissioner
may take any or all of the following actions, without limitation: (i) declare the
ECNL Registered Player ineligible for the remainder of that ECNL Season; (ii)
declare all games in which the ECNL Registered Player appeared on the ECNL
Roster as forfeits by the ECNL Team on which such player was rostered; and / or
(iii) recommend revocation of the ECNL Member Club’s membership in the
ECNL.

Interesting how clubs who ask for thousands of dollars to play for ALSO want to limit the opportunities for those same players in different, supposedly, lesser leagues. (Same league certainly makes sense)

People like to drag MLSN/GA as not serving their customers if they don't switch to SY. What the heck would this be, then?

Regardless, all that language sounds like clubs probably just tell their parents not to them anything. Sort of like how clubs have parents recruit for them to skirt around those rules.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It only really matters to have one cut off date if MLS teams want to play non MLS teams.

If MLS build a wall it will make ECNL look like rec soccer.

This is not true. MLS has pathways into pro teams. If youre a youth and want to play in MLS in America you need to play in MLSN. This is the hook. MLS Acadamies dont need to conform to anyone else because players will conform to them for the opportunity to play at the highest level.

Luckily most kids don’t want to play in MLS, most choose the college route or just want to play at a high level for club. By MLS being more exclusive with age cutoff BS and closed leagues you will make it less appealing for the masses and be limited to Jan-July birthdays whose mommy and daddy can fork over the cash and can drive and fly them everywhere.

100% agree. My son is September 2014, he will play either ECNL or MLS Next, depending what league adopts SY.

No interest in MLS professional, yes in college route.

What you'll soon discover is that MLS isnt only about playing professionally. Usually the way it works is top MLS Academy players go pro. The top MLS Academy players that dont go pro get picked up by college teams. Everyone else has to work to get recruited.

The net is that if your kid can play for an MLS Academy they'll have multiple opportunities available to them.