Meghan Markle and Prince Harry News and Updates

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think she’s trying to decrease the stigma - other celebrities have done the same (the guy from Dawson’s Creek, etc). She probably thought she was helping people by sharing something deeply personal, as someone who is perceived to have a “charmed” life. I don’t think it was insincere.

What stigma???

There is no stigma. Practically everyone I know has had at least one miscarriage. I had three. I also have kids.

[Anonymous]

Omg she’s so thirsty. She literally stole this idea from Chrissy Teigan, another talentless bimbo who married up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look, nobody thinks this is going to happen to them. Until it does. All the warnings and lectures aren't going to work. Same as people think they can tra la la dine out, visit family, have parties, and not get Covid. And then they are shocked, shocked it happened to them. It's human nature. You're invincible until you get a rude awakening in some way. The circle of life.

She’s old. It’s abour literally 100x more common at her age and history. Not a shock or surprise in the slightest.

[Anonymous]

This goes back to the idea that the real education should be coming from doctors though.

Why didn't the OB explain during her first visit about the risk? I know pregnant women are excited, but the doctor should really explain the risks, even when you are joyous over hearing that first heartbeat.

Frankly I learned the 1 in 4 number in sex ed in high school - maybe that's another thing that should be improved societally.

I think changes in either of those areas, school or the practice of medicine, would be more impactful than suggesting to women or celebrities that they need to speak up.

+1

I also think the narrative that women "just don't know" is inaccurate. I think what is actually happening is that there is still a ton of judgment associated with miscarriage and fertility in general. I don't know any women in the age group when I had my kids (mid- to late 30s) who was not acutely aware of how common miscarriage is. However, despite that, women still felt really terrible when they'd have one and worry that something was "wrong" with them. That's because we deify pregnancy and act like infertility or women who don't have children are somehow lesser.

It's a cultural issue, not a medical one. The problem isn't that miscarriages happen. They are so common! I remember discussing my fertility history with my OB and she asked about miscarriages (none) but then she asked about pregnancy "scares" and I said, yeah, I had two in my 20s. She asked some detailed questions about them and explained that because miscarriages are so common, many doctors theorize that young women, in particular, may have them unknowingly. So there's actually every likelihood that the two pregnancy scares I had in my 20s (missed or late periods that, when they did show up, were unusually heavy and/or painful) were actually early misses. But I have zero negative feelings about those events. On the contrary, I am grateful for them because I did not want to be pregnant at the time.

But if the same thing had happened to me in my 30s when I was trying to conceive, somehow it would have been a tragic event. And listen, I'm not trying to minimize how a miscarriage of a wanted pregnancy feels -- getting pregnant can be incredibly hard and when it doesn't happen, for any reason, it's a real loss. But in terms of your womanhood or your fertility, an early miscarriage is truly not a big deal. We need to stop acting like it is.

And to bring it back around to Megan's essay, that's why I'm kind of nonplussed about how some celebs, including Meghan, talk about miscarriage and pregnancy loss. Yes, we need to talk about it, and yes their pain is real and valid, but we don't necessarily need to talk more about miscarriage solely as a source of pain. And Chrissy Teigen's experiences is different because a late term loss with a delivery really is a totally different thing. But early miscarriages? We really do need to talk about them in a way that isn't all about the loss. They are normal and common. The end. We need less pathos around them, not more.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Look, nobody thinks this is going to happen to them. Until it does. All the warnings and lectures aren't going to work. Same as people think they can tra la la dine out, visit family, have parties, and not get Covid. And then they are shocked, shocked it happened to them. It's human nature. You're invincible until you get a rude awakening in some way. The circle of life.

She’s old. It’s abour literally 100x more common at her age and history. Not a shock or surprise in the slightest.

To US. But to the person its happening to its still surprising and shocking. Nobody thinks "welp, the odds weren't in my favor" for a very much wanted child. Been there done that at around the same age. And I had 2 kids already and had no issues. I still didn't expect it, but it happened and I moved on and had another. People tend to be optimistic and think they'll best the odds.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't believe her, I just don't. The timing, the language, the op-ed page delivery, her past behavior. All of it rings false

You think she's lying about having a miscarriage? No chance. She says she went to the hospital. There are quite a few people who could out her if this story is false as a result. She'd never take the risk of being publically humiliated like that. Also, say what you will about Harry being under her thumb, but he would never go along with that.

PP here. I don't think Harry would go along with deceit surrounding a child. Not in his makeup, but I can believe she had a chemical pregnancy. Is it a miscarriage? Up for debate, though emotionally it can hit like one.

So I'm changing my thinking to she may have had a chemical pregnancy loss (maybe) but I still don't believe her words or her emotional reaction as genuine. And any medical staff in the celebrity-thick Montecito area knows not to talk to the press.

[Anonymous]

Loss is always sad- but MM just wanted to make sure we all were thinking about her at Thanksgiving. Her timing says I won’t let a holiday upstage me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look, nobody thinks this is going to happen to them. Until it does. All the warnings and lectures aren't going to work. Same as people think they can tra la la dine out, visit family, have parties, and not get Covid. And then they are shocked, shocked it happened to them. It's human nature. You're invincible until you get a rude awakening in some way. The circle of life.

Yup. And I actually think it's a waste of time and energy to focus so much on early miscarriages. Why are we even talking about this? It's super common, it's happened to many people, I get that it might take some time to process and everyone deserves empathy, but honestly, there's nothing about an early miscarriage that deserves more empathy to me than a person who never conceived at all despite trying, or a person who conceived accidentally and needs to terminate, or a person who conceived a wanted child and has other stressors in her life. To me they are all the same. I dislike the idea that an early miscarriage somehow makes you special in any way.

Now, if we were talking about infant and maternal mortality rates in the US, especially among black women, that's a different story. That's about women you are literally dying because of a racist healthcare system. We actually need to talk WAY MORE about that. But instead we're sitting around talking about whether and to what degree we feel sorry for a privileged lady who already has a child experiencing an extremely common conception outcome? Why?

"Raise awareness" my ass. This is about attracting sympathy, full stop.

[Anonymous]

I knew about the significant miscarriage stats in my 20s before ever even trying to get pregnant in my 30s. While I am sorry for her loss, I am tired of these “I had no idea!” responses like the one quoted above on Twitter from educated women in their 30s and 40s (that includes MM). Come. On.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the timing was poor. Given Chrissy Teigen's very recent, very public excruciating experience, plus implying experience of an early miscarriage is somehow on par with the suffering experience during a pandemic just makes her tone-deaf as usual. I have compassion for anyone who's gone through this who hasn't published a self-absorbed and self-pitying "look at me" piece in The NY Times.

*rolls eyes* None of you were sympathetic to Teigen either. That thread was a bloody mess.

PP here. I don't love the way Teigen overshares (I don't follow her for that reason) but I was sympathetic to her loss. It was so visceral, painful to read about. This feels different, maybe because many have discussed their pregnancy losses and she seems clueless in the way she thinks it merits a NYTimes op-ed?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the timing was poor. Given Chrissy Teigen's very recent, very public excruciating experience, plus implying experience of an early miscarriage is somehow on par with the suffering experience during a pandemic just makes her tone-deaf as usual. I have compassion for anyone who's gone through this who hasn't published a self-absorbed and self-pitying "look at me" piece in The NY Times.

*rolls eyes* None of you were sympathetic to Teigen either. That thread was a bloody mess.

PP here. I don't love the way Teigen overshares (I don't follow her for that reason) but I was sympathetic to her loss. It was so visceral, painful to read about. This feels different, maybe because many have discussed their pregnancy losses and she seems clueless in the way she thinks it merits a NYTimes op-ed?

I really don't think you have any professional knowledge on what merits a NYTimes Op-ed. Clearly the masthead thought she was worth giving not just a piece to but allowing her to author it herself. And they were right - the awareness she's sparked globally is something that we need to see more of. So please - go sit on a cactus somewhere.

[Anonymous]

Wait, CBS This Morning things the op-ed made a difference? This changes everything. Nevermind, she's actually saving lives, not merely boosting her public image.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the timing was poor. Given Chrissy Teigen's very recent, very public excruciating experience, plus implying experience of an early miscarriage is somehow on par with the suffering experience during a pandemic just makes her tone-deaf as usual. I have compassion for anyone who's gone through this who hasn't published a self-absorbed and self-pitying "look at me" piece in The NY Times.

*rolls eyes* None of you were sympathetic to Teigen either. That thread was a bloody mess.

PP here. I don't love the way Teigen overshares (I don't follow her for that reason) but I was sympathetic to her loss. It was so visceral, painful to read about. This feels different, maybe because many have discussed their pregnancy losses and she seems clueless in the way she thinks it merits a NYTimes op-ed?

I really don't think you have any professional knowledge on what merits a NYTimes Op-ed. Clearly the masthead thought she was worth giving not just a piece to but allowing her to author it herself. And they were right - the awareness she's sparked globally is something that we need to see more of. So please - go sit on a cactus somewhere.

She didn't author it alone. This was a PR group effort. Guarantee.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Look, nobody thinks this is going to happen to them. Until it does. All the warnings and lectures aren't going to work. Same as people think they can tra la la dine out, visit family, have parties, and not get Covid. And then they are shocked, shocked it happened to them. It's human nature. You're invincible until you get a rude awakening in some way. The circle of life.

Yup. And I actually think it's a waste of time and energy to focus so much on early miscarriages. Why are we even talking about this? It's super common, it's happened to many people, I get that it might take some time to process and everyone deserves empathy, but honestly, there's nothing about an early miscarriage that deserves more empathy to me than a person who never conceived at all despite trying, or a person who conceived accidentally and needs to terminate, or a person who conceived a wanted child and has other stressors in her life. To me they are all the same. I dislike the idea that an early miscarriage somehow makes you special in any way.

Now, if we were talking about infant and maternal mortality rates in the US, especially among black women, that's a different story. That's about women you are literally dying because of a racist healthcare system. We actually need to talk WAY MORE about that. But instead we're sitting around talking about whether and to what degree we feel sorry for a privileged lady who already has a child experiencing an extremely common conception outcome? Why?

"Raise awareness" my ass. This is about attracting sympathy, full stop.

+1 I agree this feels more like her typical bid for attention, particularly the way she stages it around the "Are you okay?" directed toward her on the Africa trip. It just did not read like an outward reach to other people suffering terribly at this horrible time. It read "Me Me Me."

[Anonymous]

Doesn't help that it reads like a high schooler wrote it. Lacking in maturity and wisdom.