Meghan Markle and Prince Harry News and Updates

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Anonymous wrote:I think the timing was poor. Given Chrissy Teigen's very recent, very public excruciating experience, plus implying experience of an early miscarriage is somehow on par with the suffering experience during a pandemic just makes her tone-deaf as usual. I have compassion for anyone who's gone through this who hasn't published a self-absorbed and self-pitying "look at me" piece in The NY Times.

*rolls eyes* None of you were sympathetic to Teigen either. That thread was a bloody mess.

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Anonymous wrote:How far along was she?

MM’s miscarriage story is making news at the same time Christina Perri lost her daughter—stillborn at 32 weeks.

Every loss is hard. But if MM was very early on, then her emotionally wrought write-up is a bit tone deaf.

I’ve suffered 3 MCs by the way. An early MC isn’t the same as a later loss.

Also: I hate it when people celebrity-splain things we already know and elevate it to something it is not for their own purposes. Miscarriage isn’t shameful, it is rather common, and she isn’t brave for sharing. Rather, she’s vying for sympathy to shift the narrative. She wants to be a celebrity who is adored. Gross.

I had these thoughts when I read the story too. I also assume that if MM was further along she would have included that detail in her writing.

She absolutely would have milked a late term loss. For now she is probably just trying to milk her 7 week loss for all its worth because she wants to be though of as brave for sharing her all too common story. Problem is too many people have been down the same road and think her piece is trash due to the way it's written. She's gross at this point, nothing else to say.

I would honestly be surprised at this take but I saw how people reacted the same way (negatively) to Chrissy Teigen sharing her loss.

Its weird to me. Miscarriage - late-term or early - is not talked about at all. People write about it years later once they have their 'rainbow' babies but the idea that its commonplace for famous or well-known women, or even regular, women to speak up on it is false. Especially if they don't have to. Someone mentioned Christina Perri - I doubt you'd even known she had a miscarriage if she hadn't been so public about posting nude shots of her body in the third trimester. She couldn't very well hide the loss.

I have no idea who Christina Perri is. And in my experience, I know who of all my close friends and family have had miscarriages. Most of them have. It's talked about like most other sensitive topics. Child birth, sex, infertility, breast lumps, etc. It may not be for public consumption but among close circles of women and family it is talked about. I just didn't bring it to work, or with casual acquaintances. I'm speaking for myself only but I have to think other groups of women haven't made it taboo. At least I hope!

Talking about it in 'whispers' among circles of women does nothing to change the public mindset or outlook.

Many young women go into pregnancies with a lot of 'secrets' hovering that they don't even realize could or will be realities until tragedy strikes.

Aside from all that - fostering a whisper network is good but if you ever want to change society or have people change the way its acknowledged - you have to speak up. This is what happened with abortion rights, voting rights, fair pay etc.

What needs to change? People get funny about any kind of death. Or cancer diagnosis or any other bad news. It makes people uncomfortable no matter what, I don't see miscarriage as different in that regard.

Education. I think women, especially young women (18-29), need to have comprehensive maternal education. Not just on what could go wrong with a pregnancy, or what a set of extra chromosomes means for a future babies development, but also how to pick a partner who will support you as a parent, what declining fertile rates means, what are the side effects of x-and-x birth control, or what to expect in labor-and-delivery, what it means medically for you or the baby to have a stillborn child.

I think the sex, procreation, and maternal health education in this country is woefully underdeveloped. But that's nothing new.

I don't see a celebrity role for that. That seems to mostly be education that should occur via the OB during prenatal visits, or for women at the appropriate ages where fertility is on the decline, at routine gynecologist check ups. Maybe doctors should initiative more discussion than they do rather than waiting for the patient to ask questions.

I agree with the poster before you - I'm very aware of the many of my girlfriends who experienced miscarriage. We've all be open about it, but frankly who else would even want to know?

Apparently the women who have not already gone through miscarriages or maybe they women who don't have a circle of girlfriends to lean on.

Again, that information is probably relayed directly to the woman affected by her doctor. Suggesting that women have an obligation to "speak up" about highly painful matters to people other than their close girlfriends is to me, inappropriate. It's hard enough to go through a miscarriage much less to feel a societal obligation to broadcast that news.

Then don't share it. But don't act like its shocking that its a big surprise to some women that 1/4th of pregnancies are failures. A lot of women work hard to get pregnant. Some women just get pregnant on the first night. It doesn't mean they aren't equally invested and horrified that something like this so easily happens.

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I disagree with the premise that women don't talk about it.

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And yes some women are remarkably ignorant about the statistics surrounding miscarriage. It's concerning. And makes me realize as a mother I need to up my game around this issue with my adolescent daughter.

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I don't believe her, I just don't. The timing, the language, the op-ed page delivery, her past behavior. All of it rings false

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Anonymous wrote:How far along was she?

MM’s miscarriage story is making news at the same time Christina Perri lost her daughter—stillborn at 32 weeks.

Every loss is hard. But if MM was very early on, then her emotionally wrought write-up is a bit tone deaf.

I’ve suffered 3 MCs by the way. An early MC isn’t the same as a later loss.

Also: I hate it when people celebrity-splain things we already know and elevate it to something it is not for their own purposes. Miscarriage isn’t shameful, it is rather common, and she isn’t brave for sharing. Rather, she’s vying for sympathy to shift the narrative. She wants to be a celebrity who is adored. Gross.

I had these thoughts when I read the story too. I also assume that if MM was further along she would have included that detail in her writing.

She absolutely would have milked a late term loss. For now she is probably just trying to milk her 7 week loss for all its worth because she wants to be though of as brave for sharing her all too common story. Problem is too many people have been down the same road and think her piece is trash due to the way it's written. She's gross at this point, nothing else to say.

I would honestly be surprised at this take but I saw how people reacted the same way (negatively) to Chrissy Teigen sharing her loss.

Its weird to me. Miscarriage - late-term or early - is not talked about at all. People write about it years later once they have their 'rainbow' babies but the idea that its commonplace for famous or well-known women, or even regular, women to speak up on it is false. Especially if they don't have to. Someone mentioned Christina Perri - I doubt you'd even known she had a miscarriage if she hadn't been so public about posting nude shots of her body in the third trimester. She couldn't very well hide the loss.

I have no idea who Christina Perri is. And in my experience, I know who of all my close friends and family have had miscarriages. Most of them have. It's talked about like most other sensitive topics. Child birth, sex, infertility, breast lumps, etc. It may not be for public consumption but among close circles of women and family it is talked about. I just didn't bring it to work, or with casual acquaintances. I'm speaking for myself only but I have to think other groups of women haven't made it taboo. At least I hope!

Talking about it in 'whispers' among circles of women does nothing to change the public mindset or outlook.

Many young women go into pregnancies with a lot of 'secrets' hovering that they don't even realize could or will be realities until tragedy strikes.

Aside from all that - fostering a whisper network is good but if you ever want to change society or have people change the way its acknowledged - you have to speak up. This is what happened with abortion rights, voting rights, fair pay etc.

What needs to change? People get funny about any kind of death. Or cancer diagnosis or any other bad news. It makes people uncomfortable no matter what, I don't see miscarriage as different in that regard.

Education. I think women, especially young women (18-29), need to have comprehensive maternal education. Not just on what could go wrong with a pregnancy, or what a set of extra chromosomes means for a future babies development, but also how to pick a partner who will support you as a parent, what declining fertile rates means, what are the side effects of x-and-x birth control, or what to expect in labor-and-delivery, what it means medically for you or the baby to have a stillborn child.

I think the sex, procreation, and maternal health education in this country is woefully underdeveloped. But that's nothing new.

I don't see a celebrity role for that. That seems to mostly be education that should occur via the OB during prenatal visits, or for women at the appropriate ages where fertility is on the decline, at routine gynecologist check ups. Maybe doctors should initiative more discussion than they do rather than waiting for the patient to ask questions.

I agree with the poster before you - I'm very aware of the many of my girlfriends who experienced miscarriage. We've all be open about it, but frankly who else would even want to know?

Apparently the women who have not already gone through miscarriages or maybe they women who don't have a circle of girlfriends to lean on.

Again, that information is probably relayed directly to the woman affected by her doctor. Suggesting that women have an obligation to "speak up" about highly painful matters to people other than their close girlfriends is to me, inappropriate. It's hard enough to go through a miscarriage much less to feel a societal obligation to broadcast that news.

Then don't share it. But don't act like its shocking that its a big surprise to some women that 1/4th of pregnancies are failures. A lot of women work hard to get pregnant. Some women just get pregnant on the first night. It doesn't mean they aren't equally invested and horrified that something like this so easily happens.

This goes back to the idea that the real education should be coming from doctors though.

Why didn't the OB explain during her first visit about the risk? I know pregnant women are excited, but the doctor should really explain the risks, even when you are joyous over hearing that first heartbeat.

Frankly I learned the 1 in 4 number in sex ed in high school - maybe that's another thing that should be improved societally.

I think changes in either of those areas, school or the practice of medicine, would be more impactful than suggesting to women or celebrities that they need to speak up.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't believe her, I just don't. The timing, the language, the op-ed page delivery, her past behavior. All of it rings false

You think she's lying about having a miscarriage? No chance. She says she went to the hospital. There are quite a few people who could out her if this story is false as a result. She'd never take the risk of being publically humiliated like that. Also, say what you will about Harry being under her thumb, but he would never go along with that.

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Anonymous wrote:I dont think its a coincidence that she has a new "head of communications" and "press secretary" and this piece comes out.

They know that that Africa tour interview is a major source of the negative public perception of MM, so they are trying to reframe that infamous "are you ok" line.

The issue is that it comes across as self serving. Sophie of Wessex and Zara Tindall shared their losses in a far less flashy and subsequently more sympathetic way.

All that said, I have suffered many miscarriages, and I know how heartwrenching it is. My sympathies to her and to anyone who has experienced this all too common loss.

The "are you ok" incident happened way before the miscarriage, right? Confused.

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Anonymous wrote:Do they want their personal lives to be private or not? Why would you reveal such intimate details of your life if you cherished your privacy?

I surprised it didn't come out in the press if she had to go to the hospital. Maybe she wanted to get ahead of rumors.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't believe her, I just don't. The timing, the language, the op-ed page delivery, her past behavior. All of it rings false

You think she's lying about having a miscarriage? No chance. She says she went to the hospital. There are quite a few people who could out her if this story is false as a result. She'd never take the risk of being publically humiliated like that. Also, say what you will about Harry being under her thumb, but he would never go along with that.

The first thing I thought when I read it was "wow, how professional of the health care staff that NONE of this got out at the time."

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Anonymous wrote:Do they want their personal lives to be private or not? Why would you reveal such intimate details of your life if you cherished your privacy?

I surprised it didn't come out in the press if she had to go to the hospital. Maybe she wanted to get ahead of rumors.

Not if this was from way back in July.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't believe her, I just don't. The timing, the language, the op-ed page delivery, her past behavior. All of it rings false

You think she's lying about having a miscarriage? No chance. She says she went to the hospital. There are quite a few people who could out her if this story is false as a result. She'd never take the risk of being publically humiliated like that. Also, say what you will about Harry being under her thumb, but he would never go along with that.

Yes, I think pretty much her entire life is a big lie. Just like Alec Baldwin's wife, see the other thread.

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Look, nobody thinks this is going to happen to them. Until it does. All the warnings and lectures aren't going to work. Same as people think they can tra la la dine out, visit family, have parties, and not get Covid. And then they are shocked, shocked it happened to them. It's human nature. You're invincible until you get a rude awakening in some way. The circle of life.

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Anonymous wrote:I dont think its a coincidence that she has a new "head of communications" and "press secretary" and this piece comes out.

They know that that Africa tour interview is a major source of the negative public perception of MM, so they are trying to reframe that infamous "are you ok" line.

The issue is that it comes across as self serving. Sophie of Wessex and Zara Tindall shared their losses in a far less flashy and subsequently more sympathetic way.

All that said, I have suffered many miscarriages, and I know how heartwrenching it is. My sympathies to her and to anyone who has experienced this all too common loss.

The "are you ok" incident happened way before the miscarriage, right? Confused.

It did - but her NYT piece brings it up and makes it the central theme of her “hey people I had a miscarriage! essay “

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I think she’s trying to decrease the stigma - other celebrities have done the same (the guy from Dawson’s Creek, etc). She probably thought she was helping people by sharing something deeply personal, as someone who is perceived to have a “charmed” life. I don’t think it was insincere.