Lebanon / Israel

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Biden has been calling for restraint for a year, but he marginalized himself by continuously providing the weapons that allowed his appeals to be ignored. He appealed to the better angels of Netanyahu’s nature, but it’s not clear that they exist.

Biden restricted and conditioned U.S. arms transfers to Ukraine but worried that doing the same to Israel might tempt Hezbollah to attack it. So Biden kept the arms flowing (with the exception of at least one shipment of 2,000-pound bombs) and never imposed serious restrictions on their use. This impunity emboldened Netanyahu to ignore Biden, and the upshot is that Biden has nurtured not a regional peace but, it seems, a regional war — with America at risk of being sucked in.

“In the Middle East, we clearly see a failure of policy,” Senator Chris Van Hollen, a Democrat from Maryland who admires Biden’s foreign policy in other respects, told me. “And I think it’s ultimately rooted in the Biden administration’s unwillingness to effectively use American influence to achieve the president’s stated goals.”

“The problem we have here is the pattern,” Van Hollen added. “The pattern is that Prime Minister Netanyahu ignores the United States and he gets rewarded for it.”

Jan Eliasson, a former Swedish foreign minister and senior U.N. official, lamented, “It is painful to witness the continuous humiliation of the U.S. president and government by Netanyahu.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/05/opinion/biden-israel-war.html

This is why I can’t bring myself to vote for Harris. She could do something but is more than willing to be just one more low-IQ, zero-integrity stooge for Israel.

This is how I feel also. Can’t support her.

What, exactly, can Harris or any VP do? They don’t make policy. What do you want her to do? Please be specific.

She can make a statement - 'If Im president I will stop weapons sales to Israel until they stop committing war crimes". How hard is that

Then she loses the support of the vast majority of Americans who support Israel after it was attacked on 10/7. And she would have no chance of winning the presidency. Trump and has evangelical allies, of course, would then win, which would be a gift to Likud and the far right in Israel. If progressives think American policy towards the ME is going to be better with Trump, then they really haven't been paying attention.

That's crap. Sorry, but most Americans do not support the unlimited attacks on Gaza. Perhaps in the first few months, but no, not at this point. Most Americans do not support this!!!

And who would they lose? I am told over and over again that Gaza/Israel is like not even in the top 10 of things that Americans vote on.

So which is it? Kamala would lose voters if she came out and said anything different, because the vast majority of americans care so much about supporting Israel, she will lose the election?

Or is it that Americans don't care as much about this issue as other issues so her continuing support of Biden/Israel will not change voters minds who are voting against Trump, for democracy, abortion rights, etc.

I agree with the PP. Ok, she's VP. But she should put some distance between herself and the Biden administration by coming out and saying what she would do differently.

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Yep. Cannot vote for Harris. She would be even more easily manipulated by Israel and its American proxies than Biden.

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The situation with Israel reminds me of Biden’s disastrous debate. The spinners can spin all they want, but it’s plainly obvious what is going on: Israel is the out of control aggressor here. We see it with our own eyes.

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Anonymous wrote:The situation with Israel reminds me of Biden’s disastrous debate. The spinners can spin all they want, but it’s plainly obvious what is going on: Israel is the out of control aggressor here. We see it with our own eyes.

10/7 + Hezbollah rockets, but Israel is “the aggressor”.

Out of control? Possibly.

The aggressor? Definitely not.

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Anonymous wrote:Yep. Cannot vote for Harris. She would be even more easily manipulated by Israel and its American proxies than Biden.

Exactly why I can’t vote for Trump.

If Bibi says something nice about his daughter, Trump will move the embassy to Mecca.

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Anonymous wrote:Yep. Cannot vote for Harris. She would be even more easily manipulated by Israel and its American proxies than Biden.

So you're voting for Trump, who already demonstrated where he comes down on Israel issues by (a) moving the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem, breaking with decades of precedent, (b) supporting an increase in settlements in the West Bank, (c) assassinating an Iranian leader, and (d) cozying up with Israel's far right parties?

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Anonymous wrote:Yep. Cannot vote for Harris. She would be even more easily manipulated by Israel and its American proxies than Biden.

So you're voting for Trump, who already demonstrated where he comes down on Israel issues by (a) moving the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem, breaking with decades of precedent, (b) supporting an increase in settlements in the West Bank, (c) assassinating an Iranian leader, and (d) cozying up with Israel's far right parties?

DP Trump hates Bibi and his whole no war thing means he will cut Israel off. If you want to see how AiPAC is all astroturf support watch where everyone lines up when Trump does that. Trump will definitely make it a loyalty test -are you an American or an Israeli.

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Israeli officials have ordered the residents of about 30 villages in southern Lebanon to evacuate, in the first concrete demands since the military launched what it called “limited, localised, and targeted ground raids” on Monday against Hezbollah.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/01/israel-order-evacuation-southern-lebanon-border-villages-incursion

How does Israel have the right to tell Lebanese citizens to leave their homes? This is just messed up.

Would you prefer Israel not tell them and leave them at risk?

I would prefer Israel not attack a sovereign country. They have not right to do so.

Iran attacked first. And twice. Israel is well within its rights to hit back at Iran.

So far, Israel has shown great restraint and done nothing at all to Iran or it’s citizens.

Negative. Israel attacked first when they attacked a consulate in Damascus...

Do you mean the terrorist pager event?

Only Hezbollah terrorists were injured, but yes - you are correct:

-Iran’s “ambassador” to Lebanon turned out to actually be just a terrorist leader, and not an ambassador at all.

Israel has never really struck Iran. Fact is: Iran struck first and Israel is well within its rights to strike back, under international law.

This. I can also assure you that the Islamic Republic of Iran is a brutal regime that funds terrorism and that the actual good people of Iran do not support their actions. The proper term is Islamic Republic of Iran which is very different from the Iran that was before the revolution.

Iranians get free college and have a great education system. No school shootings, no massive debt for med school.

What people want to erase from Iran is religious culture and that’s not going to change.

Overall, day to day Iran is stable and fine and not an impoverished failed state at the brink.

Now if we invade , it will ruin the state and cause a serious migration crisis just like we did in Libya.

We need to leave people’s cultures alone and stop doing things because Israel tells us to. If Israel wants to invade Iran, let them invade and let them use their own soldiers and their own money. If they need weapons from the US they should pay. If Iran needs weapons from the US, they should pay as well.

Let the best man win.

The overbias the Western Christian world has for Israel based on the Bible is dumb. If Muslims are terrorists based on religion , what do we call the Judeo Christian war on the Middle East if it’s not religious terrorism?

The more we poke the bear, the broker we will get, more migrations and more wars and deficits.

Nobody is a winner in this situation

Iran also executes women for going outside without being dressed the way the regime wants.

So does Israel. Look how many people they have killed in Gaza. Israel is standing on mass graves and genocide not the high ground.

No, Israel does not execute women for not wearing head coverings.

Yes they kill them to spread terror as part of Israel occupation. Let’s remember Germany treated blonde German women very well!

Seek help. Iran is a brutal regime and kills women for not wearing headcoverings. These are facts. Time to face them.

The leadership of Iran is the great Satan of the world. They are like a malignant cancer which must be cut out entirely.

At least they have the ability to stand up for those in Gaza.

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Anonymous wrote:The situation with Israel reminds me of Biden’s disastrous debate. The spinners can spin all they want, but it’s plainly obvious what is going on: Israel is the out of control aggressor here. We see it with our own eyes.

At some point, we'll all have to recognize those spinners as the enemies of the state. Then, we'll need to do something about it... People must rise.

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Anonymous wrote:The situation with Israel reminds me of Biden’s disastrous debate. The spinners can spin all they want, but it’s plainly obvious what is going on: Israel is the out of control aggressor here. We see it with our own eyes.

At some point, we'll all have to recognize those spinners as the enemies of the state. Then, we'll need to do something about it... People must rise.

Calling for a revolution in the US?

Real patriot, huh?

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Anonymous wrote:The situation with Israel reminds me of Biden’s disastrous debate. The spinners can spin all they want, but it’s plainly obvious what is going on: Israel is the out of control aggressor here. We see it with our own eyes.

At some point, we'll all have to recognize those spinners as the enemies of the state. Then, we'll need to do something about it... People must rise.

Calling for a revolution in the US?

Real patriot, huh?

I actually only learned what this was this past week.... Someone of a prominent position was spewing these random facts and said patriot a few times, so I did some homework.

Holy crap, this stuff is nutty.

But let's forget about the notion that there are 320,000 children producing adrenochrome underground, there is still something in American politics that really smells bad these days.

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Anonymous wrote:The situation with Israel reminds me of Biden’s disastrous debate. The spinners can spin all they want, but it’s plainly obvious what is going on: Israel is the out of control aggressor here. We see it with our own eyes.

10/7 + Hezbollah rockets, but Israel is “the aggressor”.

Out of control? Possibly.

The aggressor? Definitely not.

um. I think you just need to look at the body count on each side and it's pretty clear.

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Anonymous wrote:The situation with Israel reminds me of Biden’s disastrous debate. The spinners can spin all they want, but it’s plainly obvious what is going on: Israel is the out of control aggressor here. We see it with our own eyes.

10/7 + Hezbollah rockets, but Israel is “the aggressor”.

Out of control? Possibly.

The aggressor? Definitely not.

um. I think you just need to look at the body count on each side and it's pretty clear.

It’s not as simple as the body count. If more Russians have died in the Ukraine war than Ukrainians, does that make Ukraine the aggressor?

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Israeli officials have ordered the residents of about 30 villages in southern Lebanon to evacuate, in the first concrete demands since the military launched what it called “limited, localised, and targeted ground raids” on Monday against Hezbollah.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/01/israel-order-evacuation-southern-lebanon-border-villages-incursion

How does Israel have the right to tell Lebanese citizens to leave their homes? This is just messed up.

Would you prefer Israel not tell them and leave them at risk?

I would prefer Israel not attack a sovereign country. They have not right to do so.

Iran attacked first. And twice. Israel is well within its rights to hit back at Iran.

So far, Israel has shown great restraint and done nothing at all to Iran or it’s citizens.

Negative. Israel attacked first when they attacked a consulate in Damascus...

Do you mean the terrorist pager event?

Only Hezbollah terrorists were injured, but yes - you are correct:

-Iran’s “ambassador” to Lebanon turned out to actually be just a terrorist leader, and not an ambassador at all.

Israel has never really struck Iran. Fact is: Iran struck first and Israel is well within its rights to strike back, under international law.

This. I can also assure you that the Islamic Republic of Iran is a brutal regime that funds terrorism and that the actual good people of Iran do not support their actions. The proper term is Islamic Republic of Iran which is very different from the Iran that was before the revolution.

Iranians get free college and have a great education system. No school shootings, no massive debt for med school.

What people want to erase from Iran is religious culture and that’s not going to change.

Overall, day to day Iran is stable and fine and not an impoverished failed state at the brink.

Now if we invade , it will ruin the state and cause a serious migration crisis just like we did in Libya.

We need to leave people’s cultures alone and stop doing things because Israel tells us to. If Israel wants to invade Iran, let them invade and let them use their own soldiers and their own money. If they need weapons from the US they should pay. If Iran needs weapons from the US, they should pay as well.

Let the best man win.

The overbias the Western Christian world has for Israel based on the Bible is dumb. If Muslims are terrorists based on religion , what do we call the Judeo Christian war on the Middle East if it’s not religious terrorism?

The more we poke the bear, the broker we will get, more migrations and more wars and deficits.

Nobody is a winner in this situation

Iran also executes women for going outside without being dressed the way the regime wants.

So does Israel. Look how many people they have killed in Gaza. Israel is standing on mass graves and genocide not the high ground.

No, Israel does not execute women for not wearing head coverings.

Yes they kill them to spread terror as part of Israel occupation. Let’s remember Germany treated blonde German women very well!

Seek help. Iran is a brutal regime and kills women for not wearing headcoverings. These are facts. Time to face them.

The leadership of Iran is the great Satan of the world. They are like a malignant cancer which must be cut out entirely.

At least they have the ability to stand up for those in Gaza.

Iran doesn’t care about Palestinians. They are just pawns.

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Anonymous wrote:The situation with Israel reminds me of Biden’s disastrous debate. The spinners can spin all they want, but it’s plainly obvious what is going on: Israel is the out of control aggressor here. We see it with our own eyes.

10/7 + Hezbollah rockets, but Israel is “the aggressor”.

Out of control? Possibly.

The aggressor? Definitely not.

um. I think you just need to look at the body count on each side and it's pretty clear.

That makes no sense. In WWII, Germany invaded Poland. At the end of the war, there were more dead Germans than dead Poles. By this logic, Poland is the aggressor.