Wizards and Caps could be moving to Potomac Yard

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Haha wow. 😮

Did Youngkin and Leonis put together this half-baked plan while drunk at the country club?

Do any stations on the Yellow/Blue lines have large public parking garages?

The Silver/Orange metro stations at Herndon, Reston, Vienna, West Falls Church, and East Falls Church have plenty of public parking, which is free on weekends and $5 at other times, but switching from Silver/Orange to Yellow/Blue is not very convenient.

No. There is parking at dca (one stop away) but as someone noted that parking is at a premium and often full. Or I guess you could park at van dorn, Huntington, or Franconia then ride 4-5 metro stops back up to Potomac yard.

It would be quite the journey. Especially in cold weather. They are all outdoor stations.

The idea that season ticket holders are regularly going to park somewhere and then take the Metro 4-5 stops or take a shuttle bus from some distant parking lot is absurd.

Many if not the majority of existing season ticket holders in Virginia already park at the metro. On game nights, as commuters depart metro parking lots, they fill up with Caps, Wizards, and Nats fans.

They park at the station closest to their house and take a direct train to Chinatown in order to have a couple beers and not deal with parking + fighting rush hour traffic. This is what's most convenient for them. They are not being forced into taking the train. If folks are taking a couple kids to the game, they will drive in. There's lots of transportation optionality with Chinatown and we know people love to have options depending on their circumstances that day.

However, another significant percentage of season ticket holders are coming straight from their office in DC to the arena. The Chinatown area has a sh#t-ton of affordable parking for their cars, if that's the option they want to exercise.

With the new Alexandria location, EVERYONE needs to take a train except for the 2500 lucky souls who can get $$$$$ parking at the arena. Everyone else is supposedly required to do remote parking + add a train ride.

People don't like to be forced into inconvenient options.

Your story would be more convincing if the District wasn't complaining about all the empty offices and RTO.

That doesn't change the availability of parking in Chinatown. Shuttles to stadiums do not work. People will do it once or twice while garages are under constriction, but the novelty wears off fast

[Anonymous]

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Jeff explains in the FAQ for the site

[Anonymous]

The Alexandria mayor is touting idiotic study showing how well the traffic will work and claims it won’t interfere w/ Alexandria traffic. It should be noted that for his study they only count rush hour until 6pm Monday - Thursday so are claiming all of the 7pm wizards games or anything on a Friday won’t have a negative impact!?! It also assumes everyone driving will have 2.5 passengers and there is no accounting for the shuttle traffic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Alexandria mayor is touting idiotic study showing how well the traffic will work and claims it won’t interfere w/ Alexandria traffic. It should be noted that for his study they only count rush hour until 6pm Monday - Thursday so are claiming all of the 7pm wizards games or anything on a Friday won’t have a negative impact!?! It also assumes everyone driving will have 2.5 passengers and there is no accounting for the shuttle traffic.

Get real. How many traffic problems have been solved in the DMV in the last 30 years? Almost none. And the idea that Virginia will suddenly become a strong financial supporter of public transportation is funny.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haha wow. 😮

Did Youngkin and Leonis put together this half-baked plan while drunk at the country club?

Do any stations on the Yellow/Blue lines have large public parking garages?

The Silver/Orange metro stations at Herndon, Reston, Vienna, West Falls Church, and East Falls Church have plenty of public parking, which is free on weekends and $5 at other times, but switching from Silver/Orange to Yellow/Blue is not very convenient.

No. There is parking at dca (one stop away) but as someone noted that parking is at a premium and often full. Or I guess you could park at van dorn, Huntington, or Franconia then ride 4-5 metro stops back up to Potomac yard.

It would be quite the journey. Especially in cold weather. They are all outdoor stations.

The idea that season ticket holders are regularly going to park somewhere and then take the Metro 4-5 stops or take a shuttle bus from some distant parking lot is absurd.

Many if not the majority of existing season ticket holders in Virginia already park at the metro. On game nights, as commuters depart metro parking lots, they fill up with Caps, Wizards, and Nats fans.

They park at the station closest to their house and take a direct train to Chinatown in order to have a couple beers and not deal with parking + fighting rush hour traffic. This is what's most convenient for them. They are not being forced into taking the train. If folks are taking a couple kids to the game, they will drive in. There's lots of transportation optionality with Chinatown and we know people love to have options depending on their circumstances that day.

However, another significant percentage of season ticket holders are coming straight from their office in DC to the arena. The Chinatown area has a sh#t-ton of affordable parking for their cars, if that's the option they want to exercise.

With the new Alexandria location, EVERYONE needs to take a train except for the 2500 lucky souls who can get $$$$$ parking at the arena. Everyone else is supposedly required to do remote parking + add a train ride.

People don't like to be forced into inconvenient options.

Your story would be more convincing if the District wasn't complaining about all the empty offices and RTO.

In fact, the office issues (which exist everywhere) work the other way. Parking in DC will easier and cheaper than it already is. And Metro will be less crowded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haha wow. 😮

Did Youngkin and Leonis put together this half-baked plan while drunk at the country club?

Do any stations on the Yellow/Blue lines have large public parking garages?

The Silver/Orange metro stations at Herndon, Reston, Vienna, West Falls Church, and East Falls Church have plenty of public parking, which is free on weekends and $5 at other times, but switching from Silver/Orange to Yellow/Blue is not very convenient.

No. There is parking at dca (one stop away) but as someone noted that parking is at a premium and often full. Or I guess you could park at van dorn, Huntington, or Franconia then ride 4-5 metro stops back up to Potomac yard.

It would be quite the journey. Especially in cold weather. They are all outdoor stations.

The idea that season ticket holders are regularly going to park somewhere and then take the Metro 4-5 stops or take a shuttle bus from some distant parking lot is absurd.

Many if not the majority of existing season ticket holders in Virginia already park at the metro. On game nights, as commuters depart metro parking lots, they fill up with Caps, Wizards, and Nats fans.

And the Metro trip from most of NoVa to PY will be longer and more crowded than to Capital One Arena.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haha wow. 😮

Did Youngkin and Leonis put together this half-baked plan while drunk at the country club?

Do any stations on the Yellow/Blue lines have large public parking garages?

The Silver/Orange metro stations at Herndon, Reston, Vienna, West Falls Church, and East Falls Church have plenty of public parking, which is free on weekends and $5 at other times, but switching from Silver/Orange to Yellow/Blue is not very convenient.

No. There is parking at dca (one stop away) but as someone noted that parking is at a premium and often full. Or I guess you could park at van dorn, Huntington, or Franconia then ride 4-5 metro stops back up to Potomac yard.

It would be quite the journey. Especially in cold weather. They are all outdoor stations.

The idea that season ticket holders are regularly going to park somewhere and then take the Metro 4-5 stops or take a shuttle bus from some distant parking lot is absurd.

Many if not the majority of existing season ticket holders in Virginia already park at the metro. On game nights, as commuters depart metro parking lots, they fill up with Caps, Wizards, and Nats fans.

Most of the MD and DC fans walk or drive to a metro station, take the metro as a non-transfer 20 minute ride, go to the game and reverse after. The metro clears out in 15 minutes given the location and ability to pocket park extra trains that are released soon after the final horn.

For this location, that will not be possible. Any fan in DC or MD will have a 25 minute longer metro commute, minimum, and if they have to transfer, it is even more, so that is adding an hour or so, minimum, to the game experience. for those Tuesday night games against Phoenix, that is a tall order to put on a caps fan. And wizards fans won't even make the trip. That will be a lost cause. For fans like me, who have been ticket holders since the Capital Centre and the move downtown, this move will also be a non-starter. We have already notified the ticket office of our plans not to renew.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Alexandria mayor is touting idiotic study showing how well the traffic will work and claims it won’t interfere w/ Alexandria traffic. It should be noted that for his study they only count rush hour until 6pm Monday - Thursday so are claiming all of the 7pm wizards games or anything on a Friday won’t have a negative impact!?! It also assumes everyone driving will have 2.5 passengers and there is no accounting for the shuttle traffic.

Get real. How many traffic problems have been solved in the DMV in the last 30 years? Almost none. And the idea that Virginia will suddenly become a strong financial supporter of public transportation is funny.

I’m not sure if you misread my post, but I’m livid at the mayor who is touting this idiotic study that has skewed the input data. Since when do we count rush hour as an ending at 6? And no rush hour on Friday? This is a joke. The Alexandria atraffic is at a breaking point already, and the mayor thinks that just because he uses public transit exclusively, so will everyone else. That alone is ridiculous but now he’s pushing studies that are skewed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haha wow. 😮

Did Youngkin and Leonis put together this half-baked plan while drunk at the country club?

Do any stations on the Yellow/Blue lines have large public parking garages?

The Silver/Orange metro stations at Herndon, Reston, Vienna, West Falls Church, and East Falls Church have plenty of public parking, which is free on weekends and $5 at other times, but switching from Silver/Orange to Yellow/Blue is not very convenient.

No. There is parking at dca (one stop away) but as someone noted that parking is at a premium and often full. Or I guess you could park at van dorn, Huntington, or Franconia then ride 4-5 metro stops back up to Potomac yard.

It would be quite the journey. Especially in cold weather. They are all outdoor stations.

The idea that season ticket holders are regularly going to park somewhere and then take the Metro 4-5 stops or take a shuttle bus from some distant parking lot is absurd.

Many if not the majority of existing season ticket holders in Virginia already park at the metro. On game nights, as commuters depart metro parking lots, they fill up with Caps, Wizards, and Nats fans.

And the Metro trip from most of NoVa to PY will be longer and more crowded than to Capital One Arena.

Most of NoVa is on the orange/silver line. So everyone will have to change on to the blue (or go further and take the yellow) to get to PY. Waits for the blue line are about 12-15 minutes at rush hour. Longer after the game ends.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haha wow. 😮

Did Youngkin and Leonis put together this half-baked plan while drunk at the country club?

Do any stations on the Yellow/Blue lines have large public parking garages?

The Silver/Orange metro stations at Herndon, Reston, Vienna, West Falls Church, and East Falls Church have plenty of public parking, which is free on weekends and $5 at other times, but switching from Silver/Orange to Yellow/Blue is not very convenient.

No. There is parking at dca (one stop away) but as someone noted that parking is at a premium and often full. Or I guess you could park at van dorn, Huntington, or Franconia then ride 4-5 metro stops back up to Potomac yard.

It would be quite the journey. Especially in cold weather. They are all outdoor stations.

The idea that season ticket holders are regularly going to park somewhere and then take the Metro 4-5 stops or take a shuttle bus from some distant parking lot is absurd.

Many if not the majority of existing season ticket holders in Virginia already park at the metro. On game nights, as commuters depart metro parking lots, they fill up with Caps, Wizards, and Nats fans.

And the Metro trip from most of NoVa to PY will be longer and more crowded than to Capital One Arena.

Most of NoVa is on the orange/silver line. So everyone will have to change on to the blue (or go further and take the yellow) to get to PY. Waits for the blue line are about 12-15 minutes at rush hour. Longer after the game ends.

Asking 10,000-15,000 fans to clear through metro on essentially one line (sure, two) at Potomac Yards after a game as compared to all 6 lines that run through Gallery Place/Metro Center is just crazy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haha wow. 😮

Did Youngkin and Leonis put together this half-baked plan while drunk at the country club?

Do any stations on the Yellow/Blue lines have large public parking garages?

The Silver/Orange metro stations at Herndon, Reston, Vienna, West Falls Church, and East Falls Church have plenty of public parking, which is free on weekends and $5 at other times, but switching from Silver/Orange to Yellow/Blue is not very convenient.

No. There is parking at dca (one stop away) but as someone noted that parking is at a premium and often full. Or I guess you could park at van dorn, Huntington, or Franconia then ride 4-5 metro stops back up to Potomac yard.

It would be quite the journey. Especially in cold weather. They are all outdoor stations.

The idea that season ticket holders are regularly going to park somewhere and then take the Metro 4-5 stops or take a shuttle bus from some distant parking lot is absurd.

Many if not the majority of existing season ticket holders in Virginia already park at the metro. On game nights, as commuters depart metro parking lots, they fill up with Caps, Wizards, and Nats fans.

And the Metro trip from most of NoVa to PY will be longer and more crowded than to Capital One Arena.

Most of NoVa is on the orange/silver line. So everyone will have to change on to the blue (or go further and take the yellow) to get to PY. Waits for the blue line are about 12-15 minutes at rush hour. Longer after the game ends.

Asking 10,000-15,000 fans to clear through metro on essentially one line (sure, two) at Potomac Yards after a game as compared to all 6 lines that run through Gallery Place/Metro Center is just crazy.

Plus you can easily walk to other Metro stops from Capital One.

[Anonymous]

So this is over and above just the additional time it takes for most patrons to even get to PY.

[Anonymous]

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So this is over and above just the additional time it takes for most patrons to even get to PY.

Does this include waiting for the train to actually arrive? It’ll be a long time at that hour unless wmata is planning to put on more trains on game nights. Or does this assume a train every five minutes or so?

Virginia is so screwed. No one will come to these games and it will cost us a bundle to pay for it all.

[Anonymous]

This week, I was in Old Town, and intentionally drove Route 1 passed PY to inner MD burbs. 40 minutes in lite traffic. Maybe 35 minutes at 3 am. From Route 1 at PY, to Memorial Bridge, to Rock Creek Parkway north (just made change to all lanes north) to MD burbs. If one adds the time to exit a PY arena, to exit a garage/parking lot, to dealing with increased traffic, that drive would take another 30+ minutes. That ranks up there with traffic to Commanders games, one reason I gave up my season tickets.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

So this is over and above just the additional time it takes for most patrons to even get to PY.

Does this include waiting for the train to actually arrive? It’ll be a long time at that hour unless wmata is planning to put on more trains on game nights. Or does this assume a train every five minutes or so?

Virginia is so screwed. No one will come to these games and it will cost us a bundle to pay for it all.

And Virginia suddenly will become a long term supporter of public transportation. A skeptic here.