Bad Art Friend

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am writing this just after reading it today and have not read the thread yet because I don't want to be influenced until I get out my thoughts.

If you have had a falling out with a narcissistic friend in your life you can pick it up immediately in Dawn - attention seeking with a victim complex masking their low self esteem, also an overwhelming need for revenge when exposed.

Larson and friends are totally relatable. And of course she wasn't going to give an inch to her face because people like Dawn take a mile when you do so.

That said, she did cross the line into plagiarism with the letter. However, she did change it repeatedly, which shows she didn't intend to plagiarize. It's possible some pride stopped her from changing it more, but the crux of the letter is that 'celebrating you' because it was really the opposite of what that was all about. It was celebrating Dawn. I also understand that Larson had to hold the line for the sake of artistic expression.

I also openly admit that I was triggered by Dawn bc of the own narc in my life. They ruin lives.

Glad my friends aren't relatable in any way to mean girl Sonya Larson and her toxic group text from hell.

+1

I can’t stand people who just sit around trashing people they barely know for fun. This is a mark of very dull, petty people. The amazing thing about those chats is how rarely any of those people have anything insightful to say. They’re all just “rahrah Sonya, Dawn sucks!” And when anyone says even the mildest nuanced take on the situation, they shut it down. Seems boring af.

These are not bright, interesting people.

[Anonymous]

Done. Whew.

The New York Times needs to retract this story as written.

I retract my statement about Dawn being a narcissist/perpetual victim looking for revenge. I don't know what to make of her but the impression I got, at least from the story as laid out by the NYT, is wrong.

There is information and context to this story I am never going to get because I don't have time to real all of the court filings, etc.. While I am a reader and know most of these people's names, I am not as invested in their 'world' to do so.

However, I am interested in what Lauren Hough had to say and then deleted.

I was absolutely projecting my own friendship issues on this story. That being said, Dawn is nothing like the narc in my life who has slept with multiple people's husbands but it's never her fault, etc.

Thanks you for following along as the white/gold dress became the black/blue dress for me. (The dress WAS black and blue from the beginning for me though.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You're trying to tell me that Dawn posting about her kidney donation and advocating for live organ donations on Facebook is somehow *more attention-seeking* or narcissistic or whatever-have-you than writers shamelessly publicizing their books, tweeting about their good deeds, hawking their writing, etc.? Let whoever among us who have never posted a humblebrag or something feel-good or anything remotely attention-seeking on social media throw the first stone. I feel like I'm talking to aliens.

The Lakers invited Dorland to be a "Laker for a day" and she got to be on TV. She made heart hands. The Petty Monkeys eviscerated her for this. Was she supposed to say no? It was to elevate kidney donation you horrible harpies!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Done. Whew.

The New York Times needs to retract this story as written.

I retract my statement about Dawn being a narcissist/perpetual victim looking for revenge. I don't know what to make of her but the impression I got, at least from the story as laid out by the NYT, is wrong.

There is information and context to this story I am never going to get because I don't have time to real all of the court filings, etc.. While I am a reader and know most of these people's names, I am not as invested in their 'world' to do so.

However, I am interested in what Lauren Hough had to say and then deleted.

I was absolutely projecting my own friendship issues on this story. That being said, Dawn is nothing like the narc in my life who has slept with multiple people's husbands but it's never her fault, etc.

Thanks you for following along as the white/gold dress became the black/blue dress for me. (The dress WAS black and blue from the beginning for me though.)

Agree 100% that the NYT needs to retract their weak and mischaracterizing story and even worse follow up. I really feel only growing distaste for the Times, as if they pretended to be something they turned out not to be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You're trying to tell me that Dawn posting about her kidney donation and advocating for live organ donations on Facebook is somehow *more attention-seeking* or narcissistic or whatever-have-you than writers shamelessly publicizing their books, tweeting about their good deeds, hawking their writing, etc.? Let whoever among us who have never posted a humblebrag or something feel-good or anything remotely attention-seeking on social media throw the first stone. I feel like I'm talking to aliens.

The Lakers invited Dorland to be a "Laker for a day" and she got to be on TV. She made heart hands. The Petty Monkeys eviscerated her for this. Was she supposed to say no? It was to elevate kidney donation you horrible harpies!

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic but, yes, exactly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Done. Whew.

The New York Times needs to retract this story as written.

I retract my statement about Dawn being a narcissist/perpetual victim looking for revenge. I don't know what to make of her but the impression I got, at least from the story as laid out by the NYT, is wrong.

There is information and context to this story I am never going to get because I don't have time to real all of the court filings, etc.. While I am a reader and know most of these people's names, I am not as invested in their 'world' to do so.

However, I am interested in what Lauren Hough had to say and then deleted.

I was absolutely projecting my own friendship issues on this story. That being said, Dawn is nothing like the narc in my life who has slept with multiple people's husbands but it's never her fault, etc.

Thanks you for following along as the white/gold dress became the black/blue dress for me. (The dress WAS black and blue from the beginning for me though.)

Agree 100% that the NYT needs to retract their weak and mischaracterizing story and even worse follow up. I really feel only growing distaste for the Times, as if they pretended to be something they turned out not to be.

I canceled my NYT subscription 2-3 years ago, not because of any scandal but just because I wasn’t reading it enough to justify the cost, and in the intervening years they have made *multiple* errors of judgment that left me glad that I’m no longer a subscriber. Sad to lose respect for an institution I once valued so much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Done. Whew.

The New York Times needs to retract this story as written.

I retract my statement about Dawn being a narcissist/perpetual victim looking for revenge. I don't know what to make of her but the impression I got, at least from the story as laid out by the NYT, is wrong.

There is information and context to this story I am never going to get because I don't have time to real all of the court filings, etc.. While I am a reader and know most of these people's names, I am not as invested in their 'world' to do so.

However, I am interested in what Lauren Hough had to say and then deleted.

I was absolutely projecting my own friendship issues on this story. That being said, Dawn is nothing like the narc in my life who has slept with multiple people's husbands but it's never her fault, etc.

Thanks you for following along as the white/gold dress became the black/blue dress for me. (The dress WAS black and blue from the beginning for me though.)

Thank you for reporting back, and good for you for sticking through all 100+ pages. I'm impressed, PP, with your willingness to read everything and change your mind.

And yes, the NYT needs to retract the story.

[Anonymous]

Also re Lauren Haugh, she posted that one of the CMs had coerced her for sex and threatened to ruin her career when she refused.

[Anonymous]

For anyone new to the story.. If you've just read the NY Times article, it is wrong. It mischaracterizes the issue and the parties involved.

Dawn Dorland is not a self centered narcissist set out upon the world to get love and attention because she donated a kidney.

Sonya Larsen isn't being stalked or harassed by Dawn Dorland. Celeste Ng is the nastiest of troll vipers and her minions, the Chunky Monkeys, are so afraid of her that they will all bow to her will and hate an innocent person for fun.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For anyone new to the story.. If you've just read the NY Times article, it is wrong. It mischaracterizes the issue and the parties involved.

Dawn Dorland is not a self centered narcissist set out upon the world to get love and attention because she donated a kidney.

Sonya Larsen isn't being stalked or harassed by Dawn Dorland. Celeste Ng is the nastiest of troll vipers and her minions, the Chunky Monkeys, are so afraid of her that they will all bow to her will and hate an innocent person for fun.

And GrubStreet (as the employer of both women) acted immorally and unethically, and their executive leadership should be fired, but won't be because writers in power close ranks and excuse horrific behavior.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For anyone new to the story.. If you've just read the NY Times article, it is wrong. It mischaracterizes the issue and the parties involved.

Dawn Dorland is not a self centered narcissist set out upon the world to get love and attention because she donated a kidney.

Sonya Larsen isn't being stalked or harassed by Dawn Dorland. Celeste Ng is the nastiest of troll vipers and her minions, the Chunky Monkeys, are so afraid of her that they will all bow to her will and hate an innocent person for fun.

And GrubStreet (as the employer of both women) acted immorally and unethically, and their executive leadership should be fired, but won't be because writers in power close ranks and excuse horrific behavior.

The need to put this addendum at the top of the NYT article(s) and at the beginning of The Daily episode, lol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let's see. You encounter someone who grew up low income and seems kind of clueless socially, needy too, and maybe some mental issues thrown in. Wouldn't it be hilarious to mess with their brain a bit and invite all your sophisticated friends to join? Such a hoot, haven't had that much fun since middle school.

Oh, and when caught red handed, invoke the race card. Go all progressive on them and ask your friends to do the same. What a poor hick to do against a woman of color.

Perhaps I’m revealing my Rorschach identity here, but as a white woman who grew up very ooor, this is how the story read to me, too. I found the kidney donor chick to be arriving, self-congratulatory, and pathetic…but I found the Boston author to be a straight up gaslighting evil beeitch. And her fiends just as beeitchy and awful.

[Anonymous]

I have always been a bit socially awkward, but have enjoyed my close friends and acquaintances and been mostly ok with how I don't 100% fit in, but this article and fallout has made seriously consider whether there are people trash talking me in a group chat behind my back! Maybe other parents at my kids' school? I did make heart hands at my son at drop off one day.... Seriously, though, this article has made me paranoid about relationships with other people.

When I have heart to heart conversations, I trust that the person with whom I'm sharing honestly my thoughts is being straight with me. The discovery in the Bad Art Friend lawsuit shows that the opposite of the truth can come from someone who purports to be your friend. I am still so unsettled by this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have always been a bit socially awkward, but have enjoyed my close friends and acquaintances and been mostly ok with how I don't 100% fit in, but this article and fallout has made seriously consider whether there are people trash talking me in a group chat behind my back! Maybe other parents at my kids' school? I did make heart hands at my son at drop off one day.... Seriously, though, this article has made me paranoid about relationships with other people.

When I have heart to heart conversations, I trust that the person with whom I'm sharing honestly my thoughts is being straight with me. The discovery in the Bad Art Friend lawsuit shows that the opposite of the truth can come from someone who purports to be your friend. I am still so unsettled by this.

It is unsettling, but I choose to think this is the litfic crowd, not normal people.

[Anonymous]

I continue to be inordinately enraged by people who keep characterizing Dawn's actions as "narcissistic" or claiming that anyone who "brags" about their kidney donation like Dawn did is a narcissist. I just... fundamentally do not even comprehend that line of thinking.