Bad Art Friend

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Anonymous wrote:Update:
https://www.wbur.org/news/2021/10/29/sonya-larson-bad-art-friend-leaves-grubstreet

Somehow I hadn't realized that Sonya Larson had an ongoing paid position.

That was from last October.

Essentially the women who did terrible things were fired or resigned “voluntarily” (Larson and Murphy) but the man in charge (director Castellani) got away with all his horrific behavior, so Grub Street continues to be awful.

I know that guy! IRL! Whoa.

Once you say that, you must either confirm or deny that he is a crappy person. (Is there a gender neutral term for mean girl? Bully?)

Smart and funny and wicked wit. It comes as NO surprise that he was involved in mean girl talk about another writer. He’s fun at parties but I wouldn’t trust him as a friend as far as I could throw him.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Update:
https://www.wbur.org/news/2021/10/29/sonya-larson-bad-art-friend-leaves-grubstreet

Somehow I hadn't realized that Sonya Larson had an ongoing paid position.

That was from last October.

Essentially the women who did terrible things were fired or resigned “voluntarily” (Larson and Murphy) but the man in charge (director Castellani) got away with all his horrific behavior, so Grub Street continues to be awful.

I know that guy! IRL! Whoa.

Once you say that, you must either confirm or deny that he is a crappy person. (Is there a gender neutral term for mean girl? Bully?)

Smart and funny and wicked wit. It comes as NO surprise that he was involved in mean girl talk about another writer. He’s fun at parties but I wouldn’t trust him as a friend as far as I could throw him.

That sounds about right and consistent with the public documents.

Also for others, it was more than just mean girl talk. He was involved with the mishandling of Dorlands HR complaint.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Since Helen Rosner is one of the blue checks who decided to be a mean girl, I thought I’d show it’s not a one off.

Tara Parker-Pope is not like Dorland, in that Tara has a Times gig. But she’s been really open and vulnerable about struggling with over-eating. No matter - Helen has to make a b!/:y little response to her on Twitter, about an article that IMO isn’t a defense of “diet culture” or “fat phobia” or some other ill, so that Helen herself can be high-fived by a Twitter gang. She sucks SO very much. She’s just damned mean! I hate the dynamic she represents in this encounter - always leading with supposed injury and grounds in order to make someone else feel bad.

https://mobile.twitter.com/hels/status/1480757651009159168

It’s complete nonsense! Of course people struggle with craving-particularly people with binge eating disorder, medications that increase appetite, and people who are medically unable to eat foods they love. What an incredibly lame take made under the guise of “bODy pOSiTivTy.”

Tara wrote a fairly standard January type health articule. Helen decided it was time to eye-roll and ridicule with a little misrepresentation. It’s just gross.

Isn't this half of what Twitter is, though? People trying to build their own "brand" by making quippy little pot-shots at other people? Of course, it's always easier to say something snarky like "Just eat the ice cream, Tara" and eye roll then it is to engage in any substance with someone. The fact that journalists are now engaged in (encouraged to engage in, and maybe even mandated to engage in) this most extreme form of superficial commentary is just one sign of what's wrong with journalism today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since Helen Rosner is one of the blue checks who decided to be a mean girl, I thought I’d show it’s not a one off.

Tara Parker-Pope is not like Dorland, in that Tara has a Times gig. But she’s been really open and vulnerable about struggling with over-eating. No matter - Helen has to make a b!/:y little response to her on Twitter, about an article that IMO isn’t a defense of “diet culture” or “fat phobia” or some other ill, so that Helen herself can be high-fived by a Twitter gang. She sucks SO very much. She’s just damned mean! I hate the dynamic she represents in this encounter - always leading with supposed injury and grounds in order to make someone else feel bad.

https://mobile.twitter.com/hels/status/1480757651009159168

It’s complete nonsense! Of course people struggle with craving-particularly people with binge eating disorder, medications that increase appetite, and people who are medically unable to eat foods they love. What an incredibly lame take made under the guise of “bODy pOSiTivTy.”

Tara wrote a fairly standard January type health articule. Helen decided it was time to eye-roll and ridicule with a little misrepresentation. It’s just gross.

Isn't this half of what Twitter is, though? People trying to build their own "brand" by making quippy little pot-shots at other people? Of course, it's always easier to say something snarky like "Just eat the ice cream, Tara" and eye roll then it is to engage in any substance with someone. The fact that journalists are now engaged in (encouraged to engage in, and maybe even mandated to engage in) this most extreme form of superficial commentary is just one sign of what's wrong with journalism today.

+1 THANK YOU pp for the above bolded!

it's shameful and pathetic.

-- ex-journalist

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Update:
https://www.wbur.org/news/2021/10/29/sonya-larson-bad-art-friend-leaves-grubstreet

Somehow I hadn't realized that Sonya Larson had an ongoing paid position.

That was from last October.

Essentially the women who did terrible things were fired or resigned “voluntarily” (Larson and Murphy) but the man in charge (director Castellani) got away with all his horrific behavior, so Grub Street continues to be awful.

I know that guy! IRL! Whoa.

Once you say that, you must either confirm or deny that he is a crappy person. (Is there a gender neutral term for mean girl? Bully?)

Smart and funny and wicked wit. It comes as NO surprise that he was involved in mean girl talk about another writer. He’s fun at parties but I wouldn’t trust him as a friend as far as I could throw him.

That sounds about right and consistent with the public documents.

Also for others, it was more than just mean girl talk. He was involved with the mishandling of Dorlands HR complaint.

It's almost like fiction writers should not be in charge of handling HR complaints....
(Side note -- idea for short story collection -- world's most famous fiction authors handling HR complaints. start with Tolstoy, Hemingway, working group of Bronte sisters.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since Helen Rosner is one of the blue checks who decided to be a mean girl, I thought I’d show it’s not a one off.

Tara Parker-Pope is not like Dorland, in that Tara has a Times gig. But she’s been really open and vulnerable about struggling with over-eating. No matter - Helen has to make a b!/:y little response to her on Twitter, about an article that IMO isn’t a defense of “diet culture” or “fat phobia” or some other ill, so that Helen herself can be high-fived by a Twitter gang. She sucks SO very much. She’s just damned mean! I hate the dynamic she represents in this encounter - always leading with supposed injury and grounds in order to make someone else feel bad.

https://mobile.twitter.com/hels/status/1480757651009159168

It’s complete nonsense! Of course people struggle with craving-particularly people with binge eating disorder, medications that increase appetite, and people who are medically unable to eat foods they love. What an incredibly lame take made under the guise of “bODy pOSiTivTy.”

Tara wrote a fairly standard January type health articule. Helen decided it was time to eye-roll and ridicule with a little misrepresentation. It’s just gross.

I try to give people the benefit of the doubt but Helen Rosner is a horrible human.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since Helen Rosner is one of the blue checks who decided to be a mean girl, I thought I’d show it’s not a one off.

Tara Parker-Pope is not like Dorland, in that Tara has a Times gig. But she’s been really open and vulnerable about struggling with over-eating. No matter - Helen has to make a b!/:y little response to her on Twitter, about an article that IMO isn’t a defense of “diet culture” or “fat phobia” or some other ill, so that Helen herself can be high-fived by a Twitter gang. She sucks SO very much. She’s just damned mean! I hate the dynamic she represents in this encounter - always leading with supposed injury and grounds in order to make someone else feel bad.

https://mobile.twitter.com/hels/status/1480757651009159168

It’s complete nonsense! Of course people struggle with craving-particularly people with binge eating disorder, medications that increase appetite, and people who are medically unable to eat foods they love. What an incredibly lame take made under the guise of “bODy pOSiTivTy.”

Tara wrote a fairly standard January type health articule. Helen decided it was time to eye-roll and ridicule with a little misrepresentation. It’s just gross.

Isn't this half of what Twitter is, though? People trying to build their own "brand" by making quippy little pot-shots at other people? Of course, it's always easier to say something snarky like "Just eat the ice cream, Tara" and eye roll then it is to engage in any substance with someone. The fact that journalists are now engaged in (encouraged to engage in, and maybe even mandated to engage in) this most extreme form of superficial commentary is just one sign of what's wrong with journalism today.

+1 THANK YOU pp for the above bolded!

it's shameful and pathetic.

-- ex-journalist

I posted this and agree with you both. It’s depressing from the uh creative class with storied positions, and their limitless ass-kissing Twitter buddies, totally. The mean girl element of it just so jumped out at me, where I’d want to ask Rosner who in the hell she thinks she is. What she is, I’m not allowed to write here. I thought way back in the fall someone mentioned having gone to school with her and how she was nice and funny….I’ve got my doubts, because she’s just intensely and intently nasty in a very calculated way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since Helen Rosner is one of the blue checks who decided to be a mean girl, I thought I’d show it’s not a one off.

Tara Parker-Pope is not like Dorland, in that Tara has a Times gig. But she’s been really open and vulnerable about struggling with over-eating. No matter - Helen has to make a b!/:y little response to her on Twitter, about an article that IMO isn’t a defense of “diet culture” or “fat phobia” or some other ill, so that Helen herself can be high-fived by a Twitter gang. She sucks SO very much. She’s just damned mean! I hate the dynamic she represents in this encounter - always leading with supposed injury and grounds in order to make someone else feel bad.

https://mobile.twitter.com/hels/status/1480757651009159168

It’s complete nonsense! Of course people struggle with craving-particularly people with binge eating disorder, medications that increase appetite, and people who are medically unable to eat foods they love. What an incredibly lame take made under the guise of “bODy pOSiTivTy.”

Tara wrote a fairly standard January type health articule. Helen decided it was time to eye-roll and ridicule with a little misrepresentation. It’s just gross.

I try to give people the benefit of the doubt but Helen Rosner is a horrible human.

I know Helen in real life and she’s not awful. She’s super insecure despite her success. This tweet probably stemmed from that. And clearly she has a funny, biting, running towards b****y tweet persona, so it’s not like you don’t know what you’re getting into. But she’s not a horrible person at all. We’re friendly acquaintances, but share mutual close friends and she delivers for them frequently (they’re not famous/public figures).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since Helen Rosner is one of the blue checks who decided to be a mean girl, I thought I’d show it’s not a one off.

Tara Parker-Pope is not like Dorland, in that Tara has a Times gig. But she’s been really open and vulnerable about struggling with over-eating. No matter - Helen has to make a b!/:y little response to her on Twitter, about an article that IMO isn’t a defense of “diet culture” or “fat phobia” or some other ill, so that Helen herself can be high-fived by a Twitter gang. She sucks SO very much. She’s just damned mean! I hate the dynamic she represents in this encounter - always leading with supposed injury and grounds in order to make someone else feel bad.

https://mobile.twitter.com/hels/status/1480757651009159168

It’s complete nonsense! Of course people struggle with craving-particularly people with binge eating disorder, medications that increase appetite, and people who are medically unable to eat foods they love. What an incredibly lame take made under the guise of “bODy pOSiTivTy.”

Tara wrote a fairly standard January type health articule. Helen decided it was time to eye-roll and ridicule with a little misrepresentation. It’s just gross.

I try to give people the benefit of the doubt but Helen Rosner is a horrible human.

I know Helen in real life and she’s not awful. She’s super insecure despite her success. This tweet probably stemmed from that. And clearly she has a funny, biting, running towards b****y tweet persona, so it’s not like you don’t know what you’re getting into. But she’s not a horrible person at all. We’re friendly acquaintances, but share mutual close friends and she delivers for them frequently (they’re not famous/public figures).

She's nasty online, and that's all most of us know about her. I'm surprised the New Yorker hasn't told her to quit it on twitter already. Guess she's either very confident in her job, or very confident that even without a job she'd be fine.

[Anonymous]

Wow, that Helen Rosner tweet is awful. What’s her deal? The every day pettiness is so draining.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where can I actually read the short story, entitled “The Kindest” by Sonya Larson?

Ooh thanks to PP now I Can read it! https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mad.206189/gov.uscourts.mad.206189.1.3.pdf

It's pretty terrible actually.

I am killing myself writing this complicated space opera making up an entire universe and this basic b writes a catty story about a miserable person. Then says it's all about the donor being white.

PP, are you still here? I'm really interested in learning more about your space opera.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since Helen Rosner is one of the blue checks who decided to be a mean girl, I thought I’d show it’s not a one off.

Tara Parker-Pope is not like Dorland, in that Tara has a Times gig. But she’s been really open and vulnerable about struggling with over-eating. No matter - Helen has to make a b!/:y little response to her on Twitter, about an article that IMO isn’t a defense of “diet culture” or “fat phobia” or some other ill, so that Helen herself can be high-fived by a Twitter gang. She sucks SO very much. She’s just damned mean! I hate the dynamic she represents in this encounter - always leading with supposed injury and grounds in order to make someone else feel bad.

https://mobile.twitter.com/hels/status/1480757651009159168

It’s complete nonsense! Of course people struggle with craving-particularly people with binge eating disorder, medications that increase appetite, and people who are medically unable to eat foods they love. What an incredibly lame take made under the guise of “bODy pOSiTivTy.”

Tara wrote a fairly standard January type health articule. Helen decided it was time to eye-roll and ridicule with a little misrepresentation. It’s just gross.

I try to give people the benefit of the doubt but Helen Rosner is a horrible human.

I know Helen in real life and she’s not awful. She’s super insecure despite her success. This tweet probably stemmed from that. And clearly she has a funny, biting, running towards b****y tweet persona, so it’s not like you don’t know what you’re getting into. But she’s not a horrible person at all. We’re friendly acquaintances, but share mutual close friends and she delivers for them frequently (they’re not famous/public figures).

When you whip up all your blue checkmark friends to try and actively damage the livelihoods of people who are not deserving of such scorn, then you have gone well past the line of "b****y". That's nice that she is apparently a good person in certain parts of her life. It's a shame that twitter likes are more important than personal integrity in her online life.