Bad Art Friend

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Fantastic summary, PP. I have no knowledge of psychopaths so can’t speak to that aspect, but everything else you e said seems completely spot-on to everything I’ve read.

+1. Very thought-provoking.

Pushing back on just one point: isn't Dawn regarded as the better writer?

Case in point, here's a twitter thread that eviscerates some of the lines from Sonya's "The Kindest":

https://twitter.com/vapidest/status/1466565222290890753

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree with a pp that what I took away from this is that I can't trust the New York Times.

Individual actors behaved badly, Sonya Larson and Ng are mean girls who took it way too far due to their own pathologies. But the main disappointment for me here is the NYT and its lack of integrity. I am soured on the Times, vaguely disgusted when I go to open the app, disappointed.

The New York Times Politics section is untrustworthy because it platforms liars — conservatives lie and for some reason I don’t understand the NYT thinks it has to give liars a platform just because they’re in one party even though that party is an autocratic husk that is built on lying.

But much of the rest of the paper is great. This story wasn’t terrible— it just played up both characters as equals in order to drive clicks and ratings. The business of news is really what is killing us. All we have in the US is bothsides corporate media searching for profit like the NYT, or billionaire funded crap like DC Examiner. We are in a bad place with news.

This story was terrible, because it distorted the truth significantly. I honestly considered cancelling my subscription over it. I didn't in the end, but only because I give my elderly father the paper version that I get delivered, and he enjoys it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree with a pp that what I took away from this is that I can't trust the New York Times.

Individual actors behaved badly, Sonya Larson and Ng are mean girls who took it way too far due to their own pathologies. But the main disappointment for me here is the NYT and its lack of integrity. I am soured on the Times, vaguely disgusted when I go to open the app, disappointed.

Dorland herself pitched the story to NYT. Bob Kolker is an excellent and empathic reporter.

Your view is out of date. Dorland didn't pitch the story. And Kolker has had a significant reputational hit due to shoddy reporting.

She didn't? I thought that had been pretty much established.

Hm. I thought that had been debunked. I can't remember, though.

[Anonymous]

Update:
https://www.wbur.org/news/2021/10/29/sonya-larson-bad-art-friend-leaves-grubstreet

Somehow I hadn't realized that Sonya Larson had an ongoing paid position.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Update:
https://www.wbur.org/news/2021/10/29/sonya-larson-bad-art-friend-leaves-grubstreet

Somehow I hadn't realized that Sonya Larson had an ongoing paid position.

That was from last October.

Essentially the women who did terrible things were fired or resigned “voluntarily” (Larson and Murphy) but the man in charge (director Castellani) got away with all his horrific behavior, so Grub Street continues to be awful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Update:
https://www.wbur.org/news/2021/10/29/sonya-larson-bad-art-friend-leaves-grubstreet

Somehow I hadn't realized that Sonya Larson had an ongoing paid position.

That was from last October.

Essentially the women who did terrible things were fired or resigned “voluntarily” (Larson and Murphy) but the man in charge (director Castellani) got away with all his horrific behavior, so Grub Street continues to be awful.

I know that guy! IRL! Whoa.

[Anonymous]

BAD ART FRIEND IS B A C K BABY!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:BAD ART FRIEND IS B A C K BABY!

What happened?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Update:
https://www.wbur.org/news/2021/10/29/sonya-larson-bad-art-friend-leaves-grubstreet

Somehow I hadn't realized that Sonya Larson had an ongoing paid position.

That was from last October.

Essentially the women who did terrible things were fired or resigned “voluntarily” (Larson and Murphy) but the man in charge (director Castellani) got away with all his horrific behavior, so Grub Street continues to be awful.

I know that guy! IRL! Whoa.

Once you say that, you must either confirm or deny that he is a crappy person. (Is there a gender neutral term for mean girl? Bully?)

[Anonymous]

Since Helen Rosner is one of the blue checks who decided to be a mean girl, I thought I’d show it’s not a one off.

Tara Parker-Pope is not like Dorland, in that Tara has a Times gig. But she’s been really open and vulnerable about struggling with over-eating. No matter - Helen has to make a b!/:y little response to her on Twitter, about an article that IMO isn’t a defense of “diet culture” or “fat phobia” or some other ill, so that Helen herself can be high-fived by a Twitter gang. She sucks SO very much. She’s just damned mean! I hate the dynamic she represents in this encounter - always leading with supposed injury and grounds in order to make someone else feel bad.

https://mobile.twitter.com/hels/status/1480757651009159168

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Since Helen Rosner is one of the blue checks who decided to be a mean girl, I thought I’d show it’s not a one off.

Tara Parker-Pope is not like Dorland, in that Tara has a Times gig. But she’s been really open and vulnerable about struggling with over-eating. No matter - Helen has to make a b!/:y little response to her on Twitter, about an article that IMO isn’t a defense of “diet culture” or “fat phobia” or some other ill, so that Helen herself can be high-fived by a Twitter gang. She sucks SO very much. She’s just damned mean! I hate the dynamic she represents in this encounter - always leading with supposed injury and grounds in order to make someone else feel bad.

https://mobile.twitter.com/hels/status/1480757651009159168

Ugh and then so many other people piling on. Do these people not really understand that even if you want ice cream all day every day, it's not what may be best for your body or your life? Forget broccoli, it's just pizza and ice cream now, end of story?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Since Helen Rosner is one of the blue checks who decided to be a mean girl, I thought I’d show it’s not a one off.

Tara Parker-Pope is not like Dorland, in that Tara has a Times gig. But she’s been really open and vulnerable about struggling with over-eating. No matter - Helen has to make a b!/:y little response to her on Twitter, about an article that IMO isn’t a defense of “diet culture” or “fat phobia” or some other ill, so that Helen herself can be high-fived by a Twitter gang. She sucks SO very much. She’s just damned mean! I hate the dynamic she represents in this encounter - always leading with supposed injury and grounds in order to make someone else feel bad.

https://mobile.twitter.com/hels/status/1480757651009159168

Yikes, I just read that. Helen Rosner IS awful! And who is Lyz Lenz? She is just as awful, if not more so. What's their problem? ugh.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Since Helen Rosner is one of the blue checks who decided to be a mean girl, I thought I’d show it’s not a one off.

Tara Parker-Pope is not like Dorland, in that Tara has a Times gig. But she’s been really open and vulnerable about struggling with over-eating. No matter - Helen has to make a b!/:y little response to her on Twitter, about an article that IMO isn’t a defense of “diet culture” or “fat phobia” or some other ill, so that Helen herself can be high-fived by a Twitter gang. She sucks SO very much. She’s just damned mean! I hate the dynamic she represents in this encounter - always leading with supposed injury and grounds in order to make someone else feel bad.

https://mobile.twitter.com/hels/status/1480757651009159168

It’s complete nonsense! Of course people struggle with craving-particularly people with binge eating disorder, medications that increase appetite, and people who are medically unable to eat foods they love. What an incredibly lame take made under the guise of “bODy pOSiTivTy.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since Helen Rosner is one of the blue checks who decided to be a mean girl, I thought I’d show it’s not a one off.

Tara Parker-Pope is not like Dorland, in that Tara has a Times gig. But she’s been really open and vulnerable about struggling with over-eating. No matter - Helen has to make a b!/:y little response to her on Twitter, about an article that IMO isn’t a defense of “diet culture” or “fat phobia” or some other ill, so that Helen herself can be high-fived by a Twitter gang. She sucks SO very much. She’s just damned mean! I hate the dynamic she represents in this encounter - always leading with supposed injury and grounds in order to make someone else feel bad.

https://mobile.twitter.com/hels/status/1480757651009159168

It’s complete nonsense! Of course people struggle with craving-particularly people with binge eating disorder, medications that increase appetite, and people who are medically unable to eat foods they love. What an incredibly lame take made under the guise of “bODy pOSiTivTy.”

Tara wrote a fairly standard January type health articule. Helen decided it was time to eye-roll and ridicule with a little misrepresentation. It’s just gross.

[Anonymous]

OMG I had endless conversations with my DD trained to “see both sides” at her liberal school. Blinded to the pure evil cruelty of Larson. And just didn’t get what abdominal surgery is really like. Oh well.