Taylor's Feb. Rec for Woodward Boundary Study

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Anonymous wrote:There are policies put in place by the BOR that dictate the factors the consultants have to look at. I believe they need to show data on at least some of that.

I do appreciate the transparency. But to be clear, there was at least one option presented that would have put one new feeder school into WJ and one into Woodward. We are not reinventing the wheel here - he decided specifically not to go in that direction.

Why? Who knows, maybe too much heat over Wootton?

Who would have goven heat for creating two schools similar to current WJ and BCC?

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Anonymous wrote:The issue is the demographics of the new WJ. Do the math.

It’s another Whitman (less diverse and richer than current WJ) while Woodward is just a mile away and will be a very different school.

What do you mean by different?

Wealth. A lot less of it.

Don’t turn on the new Woodward families when MCPS divided the schools and even the WJ cluster in an unexpected way. The way they split KP and GP puts all the single family homes in WJ rather than Woodward.

Is there a more close up map to show where gp and kp split?

GPES has many multi family houses still going to WJ. The Parkside condos, stoneybrook, apts near Grosvenor.

The islands from GPES that didn’t get WJ make complete sense. They should go to Woodward. One is directly next to Woodward.

Option B was the right call.

They will do elementary boundary soon to mitigate some of the split articulation issues. KPES is under capacity and Ashburton is over capacity. It will get resolved.

Looks like all the Option B signs on Strathmore worked.

They were desperate to avoid Woodward.

I won't celebrate yet. MCPS may not ceoncentrate poverty in Woodward and make both schools more similar in final approval. It will depend on how hard Old Farm/North FArm and Luxmanor area lobbies.

As they should have been desperate to avoid Woodward. Fashion design? It grabs from Wheaton Woods now too. No thank you

Attention will be on Wootton. This Woodward rec is done deal.

Note that Taylor only submitted this rec for Woodward. In the Crown study he submitted a recommendation plus an alternative.

The BOE members can if they want to not appear completely useless stand up bravely against racial segregation by moving Viers Mill ES to WJ.

You lost credibility there. VM “improved” from Wheaton to Woodward too. You don’t see VM clamoring for WJ. GPE and KPE keeps status quo for its core.

I am from VM and prefer WJ.

Same. It’s a perfect solution. Move VM to WJ. Move all of GP to Woodward. FARMS rates are more evenly distributed. GP remains united just like they want[b]

Yes, I see no harms in it and see many positives.

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Anonymous wrote:Given Woodward will host special program for Drama, Art, Media etc having 35-40% FARMS will result in high achiveing kids leaving for WJ or Stem program in Wheaton. It will result in fewer kids who can take higher level courses and they will have no choice.

STEM at Wheaton - is it a good program? Comparable to Blair? I am so upset they are dividing us in 6 regions.

Wheaton is the top high school for enrollment into UMD's School of Engineering. It's good - great principal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm reading all this with some detachment as a parent over in FCPS, where we just went through a much-publicized "county-wide boundary study" that resulted in limited changes and soon will be establishing boundaries for a new high school in the western part of the county.

One thing that stands out to me is how much more information Taylor is providing about the impact of the changes on projected enrollments (in 2031-32) and school demographics. Our superintendent provides as little of that information as possible, likely for two reasons: (1) the staff and consultants are too lazy and/or incompetent to generate it; and (2) they don't want to share information that would lead parents to complain about schools with "too many" FARMS students (here, apparently, Woodward) or "too few" (here, apparently, WJ and, of course, Whitman).

My question is whether you would have all tried to "reverse engineer" the numbers had Taylor not been as detailed about the impact of his proposals, or might have actually preferred getting less information (which would have sent an implicit message that it doesn't really matter because "all schools are good," etc.)?

They are required to provide these details. Also, it's not bad idea to get feedbacks to have the best possible solution in county even if not everyone will be happy with it. Scenario of one high FARMS ES adding to one HS and another to second HS was discussed. Not sure why it's not recommended. I guess Woodward famiies have work cut out for them to start email and meeting with BOE members one by one.

We are in WJ in all options and I think current recommendation is a mistake.

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Anonymous wrote:Given Woodward will host special program for Drama, Art, Media etc having 35-40% FARMS will result in high achiveing kids leaving for WJ or Stem program in Wheaton. It will result in fewer kids who can take higher level courses and they will have no choice.

STEM at Wheaton - is it a good program? Comparable to Blair? I am so upset they are dividing us in 6 regions.

Wheaton is the top high school for enrollment into UMD's School of Engineering. It's good - great principal.

Yes, that was due to picking good students from 6 DCC HS. I suspect situation will change now.

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Anonymous wrote:The issue is the demographics of the new WJ. Do the math.

It’s another Whitman (less diverse and richer than current WJ) while Woodward is just a mile away and will be a very different school.

What do you mean by different?

Wealth. A lot less of it.

Don’t turn on the new Woodward families when MCPS divided the schools and even the WJ cluster in an unexpected way. The way they split KP and GP puts all the single family homes in WJ rather than Woodward.

Is there a more close up map to show where gp and kp split?

GPES has many multi family houses still going to WJ. The Parkside condos, stoneybrook, apts near Grosvenor.

The islands from GPES that didn’t get WJ make complete sense. They should go to Woodward. One is directly next to Woodward.

Option B was the right call.

They will do elementary boundary soon to mitigate some of the split articulation issues. KPES is under capacity and Ashburton is over capacity. It will get resolved.

Looks like all the Option B signs on Strathmore worked.

They were desperate to avoid Woodward.

I won't celebrate yet. MCPS may not ceoncentrate poverty in Woodward and make both schools more similar in final approval. It will depend on how hard Old Farm/North FArm and Luxmanor area lobbies.

As they should have been desperate to avoid Woodward. Fashion design? It grabs from Wheaton Woods now too. No thank you

Attention will be on Wootton. This Woodward rec is done deal.

Note that Taylor only submitted this rec for Woodward. In the Crown study he submitted a recommendation plus an alternative.

The BOE members can if they want to not appear completely useless stand up bravely against racial segregation by moving Viers Mill ES to WJ.

You lost credibility there. VM “improved” from Wheaton to Woodward too. You don’t see VM clamoring for WJ. GPE and KPE keeps status quo for its core.

I am from VM and prefer WJ.

Same. It’s a perfect solution. Move VM to WJ. Move all of GP to Woodward. FARMS rates are more evenly distributed. GP remains united just like they want[b]

Yes, I see no harms in it and see many positives.

Is there a theory on why this wasn't done already?

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Anonymous wrote:The issue is the demographics of the new WJ. Do the math.

It’s another Whitman (less diverse and richer than current WJ) while Woodward is just a mile away and will be a very different school.

What do you mean by different?

Wealth. A lot less of it.

Don’t turn on the new Woodward families when MCPS divided the schools and even the WJ cluster in an unexpected way. The way they split KP and GP puts all the single family homes in WJ rather than Woodward.

Is there a more close up map to show where gp and kp split?

GPES has many multi family houses still going to WJ. The Parkside condos, stoneybrook, apts near Grosvenor.

The islands from GPES that didn’t get WJ make complete sense. They should go to Woodward. One is directly next to Woodward.

Option B was the right call.

They will do elementary boundary soon to mitigate some of the split articulation issues. KPES is under capacity and Ashburton is over capacity. It will get resolved.

Looks like all the Option B signs on Strathmore worked.

They were desperate to avoid Woodward.

I won't celebrate yet. MCPS may not ceoncentrate poverty in Woodward and make both schools more similar in final approval. It will depend on how hard Old Farm/North FArm and Luxmanor area lobbies.

As they should have been desperate to avoid Woodward. Fashion design? It grabs from Wheaton Woods now too. No thank you

Attention will be on Wootton. This Woodward rec is done deal.

Note that Taylor only submitted this rec for Woodward. In the Crown study he submitted a recommendation plus an alternative.

The BOE members can if they want to not appear completely useless stand up bravely against racial segregation by moving Viers Mill ES to WJ.

You lost credibility there. VM “improved” from Wheaton to Woodward too. You don’t see VM clamoring for WJ. GPE and KPE keeps status quo for its core.

I am from VM and prefer WJ.

Same. It’s a perfect solution. Move VM to WJ. Move all of GP to Woodward. FARMS rates are more evenly distributed. GP remains united just like they want

You are for the redistribution of wealth to VM. Shocking perspective for someone who lives in VM. You want to be able to better afford your addition. Woodward is an upgrade. You instead want to take WJ from GP where they have decades long relationship.

Yah, it's a relationship between people, lol. Give it a break.

Nothing wrong in VM parents to want to join WJ. GP does not have any unuversal rights to attend WJ when its making Woodward so much higher FARMS.

- BCC parent

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Anonymous wrote:The issue is the demographics of the new WJ. Do the math.

It’s another Whitman (less diverse and richer than current WJ) while Woodward is just a mile away and will be a very different school.

What do you mean by different?

Wealth. A lot less of it.

Don’t turn on the new Woodward families when MCPS divided the schools and even the WJ cluster in an unexpected way. The way they split KP and GP puts all the single family homes in WJ rather than Woodward.

Is there a more close up map to show where gp and kp split?

GPES has many multi family houses still going to WJ. The Parkside condos, stoneybrook, apts near Grosvenor.

The islands from GPES that didn’t get WJ make complete sense. They should go to Woodward. One is directly next to Woodward.

Option B was the right call.

They will do elementary boundary soon to mitigate some of the split articulation issues. KPES is under capacity and Ashburton is over capacity. It will get resolved.

Looks like all the Option B signs on Strathmore worked.

They were desperate to avoid Woodward.

I won't celebrate yet. MCPS may not ceoncentrate poverty in Woodward and make both schools more similar in final approval. It will depend on how hard Old Farm/North FArm and Luxmanor area lobbies.

As they should have been desperate to avoid Woodward. Fashion design? It grabs from Wheaton Woods now too. No thank you

Attention will be on Wootton. This Woodward rec is done deal.

Note that Taylor only submitted this rec for Woodward. In the Crown study he submitted a recommendation plus an alternative.

The BOE members can if they want to not appear completely useless stand up bravely against racial segregation by moving Viers Mill ES to WJ.

You lost credibility there. VM “improved” from Wheaton to Woodward too. You don’t see VM clamoring for WJ. GPE and KPE keeps status quo for its core.

I am from VM and prefer WJ.

Same. It’s a perfect solution. Move VM to WJ. Move all of GP to Woodward. FARMS rates are more evenly distributed. GP remains united just like they want[b]

Yes, I see no harms in it and see many positives.

Is there a theory on why this wasn't done already?

Not enough noise from Old Farm/North Farm/Luxmanor families. Loud voices got heard so far.

[Anonymous]

Does MS to HS articulation remain the same based on where you're enrolled at the time of the change, or does it change based on home address?

Our neighborhood is currently zoned to SSIMS and Northwood, but will become Eastern and Blair if this recommendation is accepted.

DC will finish at SSIMS in June 2029. Would they remain with Northwood, or follow the "new" neighborhood boundary to Blair?

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Anonymous wrote:Does MS to HS articulation remain the same based on where you're enrolled at the time of the change, or does it change based on home address?

Our neighborhood is currently zoned to SSIMS and Northwood, but will become Eastern and Blair if this recommendation is accepted.

DC will finish at SSIMS in June 2029. Would they remain with Northwood, or follow the "new" neighborhood boundary to Blair?

I could be wrong, but I believe they'd switch to Eastern in Fall 2027 and then go on to Blair.

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Anonymous wrote:The issue is the demographics of the new WJ. Do the math.

It’s another Whitman (less diverse and richer than current WJ) while Woodward is just a mile away and will be a very different school.

What do you mean by different?

Wealth. A lot less of it.

Don’t turn on the new Woodward families when MCPS divided the schools and even the WJ cluster in an unexpected way. The way they split KP and GP puts all the single family homes in WJ rather than Woodward.

Is there a more close up map to show where gp and kp split?

GPES has many multi family houses still going to WJ. The Parkside condos, stoneybrook, apts near Grosvenor.

The islands from GPES that didn’t get WJ make complete sense. They should go to Woodward. One is directly next to Woodward.

Option B was the right call.

They will do elementary boundary soon to mitigate some of the split articulation issues. KPES is under capacity and Ashburton is over capacity. It will get resolved.

Looks like all the Option B signs on Strathmore worked.

They were desperate to avoid Woodward.

I won't celebrate yet. MCPS may not ceoncentrate poverty in Woodward and make both schools more similar in final approval. It will depend on how hard Old Farm/North FArm and Luxmanor area lobbies.

As they should have been desperate to avoid Woodward. Fashion design? It grabs from Wheaton Woods now too. No thank you

Attention will be on Wootton. This Woodward rec is done deal.

Note that Taylor only submitted this rec for Woodward. In the Crown study he submitted a recommendation plus an alternative.

The BOE members can if they want to not appear completely useless stand up bravely against racial segregation by moving Viers Mill ES to WJ.

You lost credibility there. VM “improved” from Wheaton to Woodward too. You don’t see VM clamoring for WJ. GPE and KPE keeps status quo for its core.

I am from VM and prefer WJ.

Same. It’s a perfect solution. Move VM to WJ. Move all of GP to Woodward. FARMS rates are more evenly distributed. GP remains united just like they want[b]

Yes, I see no harms in it and see many positives.

Is there a theory on why this wasn't done already?

I think a lot of people are deeply aware that a lot of wealth in Montgomery County relies on economic and racial segregation. Sone people have to do worse for other people to do better.

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Anonymous wrote:Does MS to HS articulation remain the same based on where you're enrolled at the time of the change, or does it change based on home address?

Our neighborhood is currently zoned to SSIMS and Northwood, but will become Eastern and Blair if this recommendation is accepted.

DC will finish at SSIMS in June 2029. Would they remain with Northwood, or follow the "new" neighborhood boundary to Blair?

I could be wrong, but I believe they'd switch to Eastern in Fall 2027 and then go on to Blair.

PP here. I thought they were doing no transfers in OR out of SSIMS before the closure. That's why it makes the HS issue more confusing.

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Anonymous wrote:How do Woodlin families feel about the proposal?

I'm happy with it. But we're one of the small group in the Forest Glen Annex who will articulate to Silver Creek MS then B-CC HS. It never made sense to me that we weren't always with them--my older child could never walk to Sligo MS anyway, and Einstein is just as far as B-CC from our house!

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Anonymous wrote:Does MS to HS articulation remain the same based on where you're enrolled at the time of the change, or does it change based on home address?

Our neighborhood is currently zoned to SSIMS and Northwood, but will become Eastern and Blair if this recommendation is accepted.

DC will finish at SSIMS in June 2029. Would they remain with Northwood, or follow the "new" neighborhood boundary to Blair?

I could be wrong, but I believe they'd switch to Eastern in Fall 2027 and then go on to Blair.

PP here. I thought they were doing no transfers in OR out of SSIMS before the closure. That's why it makes the HS issue more confusing.

No, I think that was abandoned when the closure decision was punted. I agree it would have been preferable to keep the SSIMS boundary the same given its uncertain status.

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Anonymous wrote:But hey they must be partying over in GP and KP!

In some parts of GP and KP, not all. In some parts they are pulling their hair out

Right well I think it’s fair to say that mcps did not lean into equity in any way for this one.

This will create some interesting dynamic among current WJ parents in the next year and half. On one side winners of the Taylor's sweepstakes walking around smirking for hitting the jackpot, and on the other side losers looking for a second job to afford private school. I would recommend bringing a metal detector to the next PTA meeting.