Antizionism is not antisemitism/the current conflict

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Anonymous wrote:Were Jews the first and only people to occupy the Levant? Or were they the longest to reside there? So for 2000 jews have been planning their return. 2000 years. Generation after generation after generation had this same unified goal?

No to all three questions

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Jewish history is similar to the Romani people. Romanis still have no homeland.

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3/4 Romani population killed in Holocaust along with 2/5 Jewish population killed in Holocaust

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Anonymous wrote:I am just playing the devil’s advocate here, I think some people are upset over the way in which Israel was founded and apparently continues to expand borders. Just confirming that people were in fact kicked out of their established residences by Israelis. No judgment here, I just want the facts.

Even if this is the basis for people’s antizionism - this is how basically every country on earth was founded. Population transfer, displacement, arbitrary border-drawing, expropriation, war, etc. It’s fine to object to the way the state was founded, but if you think Israel and only Israel should be DISMANTLED for that reason, you might be an antisemite.

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Or maybe there’s a difference. Maybe it’s that the people of those other countries that were established in less than peaceful transfers of power in the past are ashamed of the fact of how their nation dealt with indigenous people, as opposed to the aggressive, entitled weirdos we all see at the foot of Mt. Zionism?

Do you know any people from Muslim majority countries who are ashamed of how they treated their Jewish citizens? About 800,000 of them were expelled (roughly the same as the number of Palestinians who lost their homes in 1948). It’s literally never talked about. Pretty much not one single antizionist gives a toss. I’ll give you one guess why…..

Oh, beg your pardon?

So there are several million descendants of the 800,000 Jewish citizens that you purport (incidentally, I’m not conceding that figure as I understand the number that were actually “expelled” involuntarily to be far, far fewer) were expelled from Muslim-majority countries, running around somewhere as landless refugees - just like the Palestinians?

Yeah, I didn’t think so.

So you don’t give a flying f, as I said. Incidentally, the reason they’re not running around as landless refugees is because they escaped to other countries and built new lives there. They didn’t stay in say, Iraq, and establish separatist movements and demand that Baghdad be given to them/spend 80 years murdering Iraqi civilians to achieve that goal. Palestinians are pretty unique in that respect. A zillion other wars and internal displacements and population transfers took place in the 20th century but pretty much only Palestinians insist on being forever refugees rather than cutting their losses, compromising, and accepting a state that includes less than 100% of the land that currently constitutes Israel.

Wrong. They “escaped” to Israel and moved into the homes of indigenous survivors whose families were terrorized and slaughtered by craven, POS ghouls from Poland and Ukraine.

And now we get to endure the kids and grandkids of those ghouls targeting the descendants of those survivors for shoving back. It’s tiresome, honestly.

As many others have said, Israel should be cut loose and left to fend for itself. It is LITERALLY the only way for the State of Israel to persist much longer anyway. Israel will only compromise and work toward credible peace with its neighbors if the alternative is ruin. Otherwise, we’re all seeing the true nature of Zionism …

You have zero credibility here. Speaking as the descendant of one of those Jews who were expelled, my entire family moved to the USA and Canada, not Israel. And by “craven, POS ghouls from Poland and Ukraine” you mean the literal holocaust concentration camp survivors who escaped there right after WWII, right? Just to be absolutely clear.

Absolutely, atrocities were committed by both Israelis and Palestinians prior to and during the founding of the state. But both groups are indigenous to the Middle East. And both groups were displaced from their homes.

Sure, Jan. Everyone knows those DNA tests lie, right?

You are literally responding to someone whose parents are middle eastern Jews. It’s right there in the post. I took a 23andMe test and it came back 100% Iranian, because I am 100% Iranian lol.

I hope you don’t have family in Iran or Israel because Iranian Jews are getting arrested in Iran and Israel right now out of suspicion of espionage. I feel for them

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Anonymous wrote:I also believe that "that ship has sailed" regarding who has a right to what in Israel. However, I find the existence and growth of the settlements in the West Bank to be very very problematic, and then there's of course, Gaza. Most of us understand that Israel needs to take care of its security threats but let the borders be and treat the Palestinians more humanely.

Why would they treat Palestinians more humanely now when they haven't done so for almost a century? The only pushback they've gotten from committing a genocide is just some stern warnings. There's no reason to change behavior.

I think it is disingenuous to present Palestinians as victims. They have had a long history of attacking Israel. Some of those terrorist attacks were brutal. This is the problem, the back and forth. I’m one of those people who believes there will never be peace between these two factions. There is too much history.

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Anonymous wrote:I also believe that "that ship has sailed" regarding who has a right to what in Israel. However, I find the existence and growth of the settlements in the West Bank to be very very problematic, and then there's of course, Gaza. Most of us understand that Israel needs to take care of its security threats but let the borders be and treat the Palestinians more humanely.

Why would they treat Palestinians more humanely now when they haven't done so for almost a century? The only pushback they've gotten from committing a genocide is just some stern warnings. There's no reason to change behavior.

I think it is disingenuous to present Palestinians as victims. They have had a long history of attacking Israel. Some of those terrorist attacks were brutal. This is the problem, the back and forth. I’m one of those people who believes there will never be peace between these two factions. There is too much history.

Let’s distinguish between the politics and the people. Palestinian civilians are definitely victims.

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Anonymous wrote:I also believe that "that ship has sailed" regarding who has a right to what in Israel. However, I find the existence and growth of the settlements in the West Bank to be very very problematic, and then there's of course, Gaza. Most of us understand that Israel needs to take care of its security threats but let the borders be and treat the Palestinians more humanely.

Why would they treat Palestinians more humanely now when they haven't done so for almost a century? The only pushback they've gotten from committing a genocide is just some stern warnings. There's no reason to change behavior.

I think it is disingenuous to present Palestinians as victims. They have had a long history of attacking Israel. Some of those terrorist attacks were brutal. This is the problem, the back and forth. I’m one of those people who believes there will never be peace between these two factions. There is too much history.

Let’s distinguish between the politics and the people. Palestinian civilians are definitely victims.

A poll conducted in March 2024 by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research, a think tank based in the West Bank, revealed that almost three-quarters (71 percent) of Palestinians living in Gaza supported Hamas’s decision to launch the October 7 attacks.

So yeah I guess like 30 percent or less of Gazans meet the bare minimum bar of thinking outright slaughter of Jewish babies and old people is a bad idea (although likely support other types of armed resistance). Palestinians are mostly victims of their own hubris.

Of course innocent Palestinian children are caught up in all this and that is very much a tragedy.

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Anonymous wrote:I am just playing the devil’s advocate here, I think some people are upset over the way in which Israel was founded and apparently continues to expand borders. Just confirming that people were in fact kicked out of their established residences by Israelis. No judgment here, I just want the facts.

Even if this is the basis for people’s antizionism - this is how basically every country on earth was founded. Population transfer, displacement, arbitrary border-drawing, expropriation, war, etc. It’s fine to object to the way the state was founded, but if you think Israel and only Israel should be DISMANTLED for that reason, you might be an antisemite.

DP

Or maybe there’s a difference. Maybe it’s that the people of those other countries that were established in less than peaceful transfers of power in the past are ashamed of the fact of how their nation dealt with indigenous people, as opposed to the aggressive, entitled weirdos we all see at the foot of Mt. Zionism?

Do you know any people from Muslim majority countries who are ashamed of how they treated their Jewish citizens? About 800,000 of them were expelled (roughly the same as the number of Palestinians who lost their homes in 1948). It’s literally never talked about. Pretty much not one single antizionist gives a toss. I’ll give you one guess why…..

Oh, beg your pardon?

So there are several million descendants of the 800,000 Jewish citizens that you purport (incidentally, I’m not conceding that figure as I understand the number that were actually “expelled” involuntarily to be far, far fewer) were expelled from Muslim-majority countries, running around somewhere as landless refugees - just like the Palestinians?

Yeah, I didn’t think so.

So you don’t give a flying f, as I said. Incidentally, the reason they’re not running around as landless refugees is because they escaped to other countries and built new lives there. They didn’t stay in say, Iraq, and establish separatist movements and demand that Baghdad be given to them/spend 80 years murdering Iraqi civilians to achieve that goal. Palestinians are pretty unique in that respect. A zillion other wars and internal displacements and population transfers took place in the 20th century but pretty much only Palestinians insist on being forever refugees rather than cutting their losses, compromising, and accepting a state that includes less than 100% of the land that currently constitutes Israel.

Wrong. They “escaped” to Israel and moved into the homes of indigenous survivors whose families were terrorized and slaughtered by craven, POS ghouls from Poland and Ukraine.

And now we get to endure the kids and grandkids of those ghouls targeting the descendants of those survivors for shoving back. It’s tiresome, honestly.

As many others have said, Israel should be cut loose and left to fend for itself. It is LITERALLY the only way for the State of Israel to persist much longer anyway. Israel will only compromise and work toward credible peace with its neighbors if the alternative is ruin. Otherwise, we’re all seeing the true nature of Zionism …

You have zero credibility here. Speaking as the descendant of one of those Jews who were expelled, my entire family moved to the USA and Canada, not Israel. And by “craven, POS ghouls from Poland and Ukraine” you mean the literal holocaust concentration camp survivors who escaped there right after WWII, right? Just to be absolutely clear.

Absolutely, atrocities were committed by both Israelis and Palestinians prior to and during the founding of the state. But both groups are indigenous to the Middle East. And both groups were displaced from their homes.

Sure, Jan. Everyone knows those DNA tests lie, right?

You are literally responding to someone whose parents are middle eastern Jews. It’s right there in the post. I took a 23andMe test and it came back 100% Iranian, because I am 100% Iranian lol.

I hope you don’t have family in Iran or Israel because Iranian Jews are getting arrested in Iran and Israel right now out of suspicion of espionage. I feel for them

OP here and yes, this is what happened to several of my relatives in Iran after the revolution (despite zero ties to Israel), which is why they had to flee along with 95% of Iran’s Jews.

That’s kind of the whole point of this thread. Antizionism is frequently used as a cover for persecuting innocent Jews. It has happened over and over throughout history, including in Iran and the Soviet Union. So when people say antizionism is not antisemitism, that may be true in the narrowest/most literal sense, but they’re absolutely missing the bigger picture.

This two-minute video is really helpful in explaining this phenomenon: https://x.com/einatwilf/status/1785343372426940794?s=46

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Anonymous wrote:I am just playing the devil’s advocate here, I think some people are upset over the way in which Israel was founded and apparently continues to expand borders. Just confirming that people were in fact kicked out of their established residences by Israelis. No judgment here, I just want the facts.

Even if this is the basis for people’s antizionism - this is how basically every country on earth was founded. Population transfer, displacement, arbitrary border-drawing, expropriation, war, etc. It’s fine to object to the way the state was founded, but if you think Israel and only Israel should be DISMANTLED for that reason, you might be an antisemite.

DP

Or maybe there’s a difference. Maybe it’s that the people of those other countries that were established in less than peaceful transfers of power in the past are ashamed of the fact of how their nation dealt with indigenous people, as opposed to the aggressive, entitled weirdos we all see at the foot of Mt. Zionism?

Do you know any people from Muslim majority countries who are ashamed of how they treated their Jewish citizens? About 800,000 of them were expelled (roughly the same as the number of Palestinians who lost their homes in 1948). It’s literally never talked about. Pretty much not one single antizionist gives a toss. I’ll give you one guess why…..

Oh, beg your pardon?

So there are several million descendants of the 800,000 Jewish citizens that you purport (incidentally, I’m not conceding that figure as I understand the number that were actually “expelled” involuntarily to be far, far fewer) were expelled from Muslim-majority countries, running around somewhere as landless refugees - just like the Palestinians?

Yeah, I didn’t think so.

So you don’t give a flying f, as I said. Incidentally, the reason they’re not running around as landless refugees is because they escaped to other countries and built new lives there. They didn’t stay in say, Iraq, and establish separatist movements and demand that Baghdad be given to them/spend 80 years murdering Iraqi civilians to achieve that goal. Palestinians are pretty unique in that respect. A zillion other wars and internal displacements and population transfers took place in the 20th century but pretty much only Palestinians insist on being forever refugees rather than cutting their losses, compromising, and accepting a state that includes less than 100% of the land that currently constitutes Israel.

Wrong. They “escaped” to Israel and moved into the homes of indigenous survivors whose families were terrorized and slaughtered by craven, POS ghouls from Poland and Ukraine.

And now we get to endure the kids and grandkids of those ghouls targeting the descendants of those survivors for shoving back. It’s tiresome, honestly.

As many others have said, Israel should be cut loose and left to fend for itself. It is LITERALLY the only way for the State of Israel to persist much longer anyway. Israel will only compromise and work toward credible peace with its neighbors if the alternative is ruin. Otherwise, we’re all seeing the true nature of Zionism …

You have zero credibility here. Speaking as the descendant of one of those Jews who were expelled, my entire family moved to the USA and Canada, not Israel. And by “craven, POS ghouls from Poland and Ukraine” you mean the literal holocaust concentration camp survivors who escaped there right after WWII, right? Just to be absolutely clear.

Absolutely, atrocities were committed by both Israelis and Palestinians prior to and during the founding of the state. But both groups are indigenous to the Middle East. And both groups were displaced from their homes.

Sure, Jan. Everyone knows those DNA tests lie, right?

You are literally responding to someone whose parents are middle eastern Jews. It’s right there in the post. I took a 23andMe test and it came back 100% Iranian, because I am 100% Iranian lol.

I hope you don’t have family in Iran or Israel because Iranian Jews are getting arrested in Iran and Israel right now out of suspicion of espionage. I feel for them

OP here and yes, this is what happened to several of my relatives in Iran after the revolution (despite zero ties to Israel), which is why they had to flee along with 95% of Iran’s Jews.

That’s kind of the whole point of this thread. Antizionism is frequently used as a cover for persecuting innocent Jews. It has happened over and over throughout history, including in Iran and the Soviet Union. So when people say antizionism is not antisemitism, that may be true in the narrowest/most literal sense, but they’re absolutely missing the bigger picture.

This two-minute video is really helpful in explaining this phenomenon: https://x.com/einatwilf/status/1785343372426940794?s=46

Sounds like it's the conflating of Jewishness with zionism and the Israeli State that actually endangers Jewish people. People take issue with Israel, and a lot of folks have done their best to ensure there's no daylight between being Jewish, being a zionist, and being a supporter of Israel. There's absolutely nothing wrong with being Jewish. There's a lot wrong with zionism, and Israel was a mistake.

It's the same kind of thinking that perpetuates Islamaphobia. The difference being that most Muslims will tell you that Al Queda doesn't represent them.

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Anonymous wrote:Were Jews the first and only people to occupy the Levant? Or were they the longest to reside there? So for 2000 jews have been planning their return. 2000 years. Generation after generation after generation had this same unified goal?

1) No, obviously not
2) Don't really know but I assume also no
3) Yes, basically, for generation after generation, Jews have been planning/dreaming of a return. See: many prayers in the liturgy of every strain of Judaism (Ashkenazi, Sephardic, Mizrahi), which mourn the loss of Zion and plead with God to return the Jews to Zion

I personally don't think that necessarily ought to mean anything when it comes to geopolitics in 2025, but I do think it's a little silly to try to claim Jews have no longstanding attachment to Israel and just made it up in the 1940s so we could steal a country. Which is only a slight exaggeration of claims I see on here all the time.

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Anonymous wrote:I also believe that "that ship has sailed" regarding who has a right to what in Israel. However, I find the existence and growth of the settlements in the West Bank to be very very problematic, and then there's of course, Gaza. Most of us understand that Israel needs to take care of its security threats but let the borders be and treat the Palestinians more humanely.

Why would they treat Palestinians more humanely now when they haven't done so for almost a century? The only pushback they've gotten from committing a genocide is just some stern warnings. There's no reason to change behavior.

I think it is disingenuous to present Palestinians as victims. They have had a long history of attacking Israel. Some of those terrorist attacks were brutal. This is the problem, the back and forth. I’m one of those people who believes there will never be peace between these two factions. There is too much history.

Let’s distinguish between the politics and the people. Palestinian civilians are definitely victims.

A poll conducted in March 2024 by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research, a think tank based in the West Bank, revealed that almost three-quarters (71 percent) of Palestinians living in Gaza supported Hamas’s decision to launch the October 7 attacks.

So yeah I guess like 30 percent or less of Gazans meet the bare minimum bar of thinking outright slaughter of Jewish babies and old people is a bad idea (although likely support other types of armed resistance). Palestinians are mostly victims of their own hubris.

Of course innocent Palestinian children are caught up in all this and that is very much a tragedy.

I actually don't think Palestinians who passively support Hamas's goals deserve to be punished for that, any more than I think all Likudniks deserve to be hit by missiles. If you just look at the extreme positions held on both sides of this conflict and throw your hands up, it'll never improve.

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Anonymous wrote:Jews brought the Muslims here with their wars and now are crying their sons are beating them at elections and universities.

Did you think only the chosen people were educated and civic minded? The chosen people can scream about sharia but they ran from white people to Muslim people to be safe for a reason

Ah, here is a good example of anti-Zionism that is also antisemitism, exactly the topic of this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:I am just playing the devil’s advocate here, I think some people are upset over the way in which Israel was founded and apparently continues to expand borders. Just confirming that people were in fact kicked out of their established residences by Israelis. No judgment here, I just want the facts.

Even if this is the basis for people’s antizionism - this is how basically every country on earth was founded. Population transfer, displacement, arbitrary border-drawing, expropriation, war, etc. It’s fine to object to the way the state was founded, but if you think Israel and only Israel should be DISMANTLED for that reason, you might be an antisemite.

DP

Or maybe there’s a difference. Maybe it’s that the people of those other countries that were established in less than peaceful transfers of power in the past are ashamed of the fact of how their nation dealt with indigenous people, as opposed to the aggressive, entitled weirdos we all see at the foot of Mt. Zionism?

Do you know any people from Muslim majority countries who are ashamed of how they treated their Jewish citizens? About 800,000 of them were expelled (roughly the same as the number of Palestinians who lost their homes in 1948). It’s literally never talked about. Pretty much not one single antizionist gives a toss. I’ll give you one guess why…..

Oh, beg your pardon?

So there are several million descendants of the 800,000 Jewish citizens that you purport (incidentally, I’m not conceding that figure as I understand the number that were actually “expelled” involuntarily to be far, far fewer) were expelled from Muslim-majority countries, running around somewhere as landless refugees - just like the Palestinians?

Yeah, I didn’t think so.

So you don’t give a flying f, as I said. Incidentally, the reason they’re not running around as landless refugees is because they escaped to other countries and built new lives there. They didn’t stay in say, Iraq, and establish separatist movements and demand that Baghdad be given to them/spend 80 years murdering Iraqi civilians to achieve that goal. Palestinians are pretty unique in that respect. A zillion other wars and internal displacements and population transfers took place in the 20th century but pretty much only Palestinians insist on being forever refugees rather than cutting their losses, compromising, and accepting a state that includes less than 100% of the land that currently constitutes Israel.

Wrong. They “escaped” to Israel and moved into the homes of indigenous survivors whose families were terrorized and slaughtered by craven, POS ghouls from Poland and Ukraine.

And now we get to endure the kids and grandkids of those ghouls targeting the descendants of those survivors for shoving back. It’s tiresome, honestly.

As many others have said, Israel should be cut loose and left to fend for itself. It is LITERALLY the only way for the State of Israel to persist much longer anyway. Israel will only compromise and work toward credible peace with its neighbors if the alternative is ruin. Otherwise, we’re all seeing the true nature of Zionism …

You have zero credibility here. Speaking as the descendant of one of those Jews who were expelled, my entire family moved to the USA and Canada, not Israel. And by “craven, POS ghouls from Poland and Ukraine” you mean the literal holocaust concentration camp survivors who escaped there right after WWII, right? Just to be absolutely clear.

Absolutely, atrocities were committed by both Israelis and Palestinians prior to and during the founding of the state. But both groups are indigenous to the Middle East. And both groups were displaced from their homes.

Sure, Jan. Everyone knows those DNA tests lie, right?

You are literally responding to someone whose parents are middle eastern Jews. It’s right there in the post. I took a 23andMe test and it came back 100% Iranian, because I am 100% Iranian lol.

I hope you don’t have family in Iran or Israel because Iranian Jews are getting arrested in Iran and Israel right now out of suspicion of espionage. I feel for them

OP here and yes, this is what happened to several of my relatives in Iran after the revolution (despite zero ties to Israel), which is why they had to flee along with 95% of Iran’s Jews.

That’s kind of the whole point of this thread. Antizionism is frequently used as a cover for persecuting innocent Jews. It has happened over and over throughout history, including in Iran and the Soviet Union. So when people say antizionism is not antisemitism, that may be true in the narrowest/most literal sense, but they’re absolutely missing the bigger picture.

This two-minute video is really helpful in explaining this phenomenon: https://x.com/einatwilf/status/1785343372426940794?s=46

Sounds like it's the conflating of Jewishness with zionism and the Israeli State that actually endangers Jewish people. People take issue with Israel, and a lot of folks have done their best to ensure there's no daylight between being Jewish, being a zionist, and being a supporter of Israel. There's absolutely nothing wrong with being Jewish. There's a lot wrong with zionism, and Israel was a mistake.

It's the same kind of thinking that perpetuates Islamaphobia. The difference being that most Muslims will tell you that Al Queda doesn't represent them.

Antisemites don’t need an excuse to hate Jews. Antizionism provides a convenient cover but if they didn’t have that, they’d use something else - Jews are racially inferior, Jews are capitalist masterminds that control the world, Jews are communist agitators, insert random accusation here. Whatever the collective sin du jour is, Jews are accused of it (currently it’s racism/colonialism/whiteness/privilege).

Most Jews ARE zionists. That’s not like, a conspiracy perpetuated by the Israeli government. They feel they have ties to the land (religious, historical, cultural, whatever), and half the world’s Jewish population lives there. Many Zionist Jews, including many Israelis, object to the actions of the Israeli government.

Just FYI, if I met you in person and you told me “Israel was a mistake” and then compared zionists to Al Qaeda, I’d probably suspect you were an antisemite.

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Anonymous wrote:Were Jews the first and only people to occupy the Levant? Or were they the longest to reside there? So for 2000 jews have been planning their return. 2000 years. Generation after generation after generation had this same unified goal?

1) No, obviously not
2) Don't really know but I assume also no
3) Yes, basically, for generation after generation, Jews have been planning/dreaming of a return. See: many prayers in the liturgy of every strain of Judaism (Ashkenazi, Sephardic, Mizrahi), which mourn the loss of Zion and plead with God to return the Jews to Zion

I personally don't think that necessarily ought to mean anything when it comes to geopolitics in 2025, but I do think it's a little silly to try to claim Jews have no longstanding attachment to Israel and just made it up in the 1940s so we could steal a country. Which is only a slight exaggeration of claims I see on here all the time.

It would be the same if native Americans revolted and decided to take back their nation. They would be permitted to simply kick us out of our established homes. Would average Americans accept this? Would the native Americans be well accepted?

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Anonymous wrote:Were Jews the first and only people to occupy the Levant? Or were they the longest to reside there? So for 2000 jews have been planning their return. 2000 years. Generation after generation after generation had this same unified goal?

1) No, obviously not
2) Don't really know but I assume also no
3) Yes, basically, for generation after generation, Jews have been planning/dreaming of a return. See: many prayers in the liturgy of every strain of Judaism (Ashkenazi, Sephardic, Mizrahi), which mourn the loss of Zion and plead with God to return the Jews to Zion

I personally don't think that necessarily ought to mean anything when it comes to geopolitics in 2025, but I do think it's a little silly to try to claim Jews have no longstanding attachment to Israel and just made it up in the 1940s so we could steal a country. Which is only a slight exaggeration of claims I see on here all the time.

It would be the same if native Americans revolted and decided to take back their nation. They would be permitted to simply kick us out of our established homes. Would average Americans accept this? Would the native Americans be well accepted?

Would we defend the native Americans by saying that they had always planned on coming back, so it’s okay if they steal our land and homes because it belonged to them first.