ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:So in clubs where the top team is one MLSN2 team and the rest of their levels are definitely switching to SY, that club will lose any kid that doesn't make the top team to a different club, especially if they are Q3/Q4. At the MLSN2 club, the best players from the year below (aka SY peers) would be on MLSN2 birth year down, so those kids would essentially be dropping two levels of play. (Unless they bioband.)

Maybe, maybe not.

As highlighted MLSN doesnt need to switch to SY. It does make sense for MLSN2 to switch to SY if theyre going to allow playing in HS. But this is all rumors. Likely made up by ECNL parents.

For sure, ECNL would love MLSN to stay BY, but hard to imagine they alienate the rest of the clubs and tournament organizers, not to mention splice up the talent pool.

p2p MLSN club owners are not stupid. They will not please BY crazy.

Club directors run a business and that means they want what makes them money. If MLSN which is the top boys platform stays BY they will comply and do the extra work to figure out two separate systems.

They may not like it but they will do whatever they can to stay apart of their selected platform.

Thanks BY crazy guy

“I no likely what poster say….poster must be BY crazy!”

(Spoiler alert…you’re the crazy one)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not sure when it will be announced but starting in January ECNL will allow clubs ti reshuffle rosters and allow 4 Aug to Dec players to join the team for league play, showcases, and nationals.

I was told they are considering a late fall press release but no exact date has been decided.

Late fall so only a month or two to shuffle, that will be a crazy time. Parents will be going crazy.!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know when the ECNL app flips over for the year? I am assuming Aug 1? All prior results and rosters are gone

I saw that but not sure when. I was able to see the new alignment of our RL league and what team are in which conference though.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So in clubs where the top team is one MLSN2 team and the rest of their levels are definitely switching to SY, that club will lose any kid that doesn't make the top team to a different club, especially if they are Q3/Q4. At the MLSN2 club, the best players from the year below (aka SY peers) would be on MLSN2 birth year down, so those kids would essentially be dropping two levels of play. (Unless they bioband.)

Maybe, maybe not.

As highlighted MLSN doesnt need to switch to SY. It does make sense for MLSN2 to switch to SY if theyre going to allow playing in HS. But this is all rumors. Likely made up by ECNL parents.

For sure, ECNL would love MLSN to stay BY, but hard to imagine they alienate the rest of the clubs and tournament organizers, not to mention splice up the talent pool.

p2p MLSN club owners are not stupid. They will not please BY crazy.

Club directors run a business and that means they want what makes them money. If MLSN which is the top boys platform stays BY they will comply and do the extra work to figure out two separate systems.

They may not like it but they will do whatever they can to stay apart of their selected platform.

MLSN does have the attitude that they are in charge so after an extra year or so of fumbling with By while the rest of youth soccer is SY, they will be forced to go Sy or drop in significance as the best young players lean towards Q4 but look pedestrian in MLSN's system one age group up.

The age grouping change will have a first mover advantage. Will be interesting to see who acts like dinosaur and refuses to act to change.

[Anonymous]

So here is what we know:
- US Soccer gave member associations reasonable flexibility to modify their age registration.
- AYSO, US Club, and USYS then announced 8/1-7/31 starting Fall of 26, after initially saying 9/1.
- No league associated with either of those 3 (aside from maybe a few rec originations here and there) has said anything about their plans to implement the change. ECNL has made no mention of it all.
- GA and MLSN have made no announcements on what, if anything, they plan to do. And because they’re self-governing (correct me if I’m wrong) what AYSO, US Club and USYS do has no bearing on them whatsoever.

So that is what we know. Everything else is just guessing and wishful thinking.
And until ECNL lays out their plan, we can assume there is no changing coming this spring to allow teams to adjust. And because GA and MLSN have said nothing, we can assume they are not going to change.

HOWEVER, we can also assume that until ECNL comes out with their “plan”, we are not going to hear a peep from either MLSN or GA. There is no advantage yet (and they’re all looking for an advantage) to say anything or give any details until we get close to next season.

I’m in the boat that once ECNL announces SY, we will get the same announcement that MLSN and GA are going SY. I can see the arguments on both sides as to why GA/MLSN will/should stay BY, but I think at the end of the day youth soccer will realize it benefits everyone to be on the same page. Whether that is the right page will be debated for years (you know what they say about opinions - they’re a lot like a**holes because everybody has one!) Time will tell! Until then, we are going to get to 2000 pages in no time!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So in clubs where the top team is one MLSN2 team and the rest of their levels are definitely switching to SY, that club will lose any kid that doesn't make the top team to a different club, especially if they are Q3/Q4. At the MLSN2 club, the best players from the year below (aka SY peers) would be on MLSN2 birth year down, so those kids would essentially be dropping two levels of play. (Unless they bioband.)

Maybe, maybe not.

As highlighted MLSN doesnt need to switch to SY. It does make sense for MLSN2 to switch to SY if theyre going to allow playing in HS. But this is all rumors. Likely made up by ECNL parents.

For sure, ECNL would love MLSN to stay BY, but hard to imagine they alienate the rest of the clubs and tournament organizers, not to mention splice up the talent pool.

p2p MLSN club owners are not stupid. They will not please BY crazy.

Club directors run a business and that means they want what makes them money. If MLSN which is the top boys platform stays BY they will comply and do the extra work to figure out two separate systems.

They may not like it but they will do whatever they can to stay apart of their selected platform.

MLSN does have the attitude that they are in charge so after an extra year or so of fumbling with By while the rest of youth soccer is SY, they will be forced to go Sy or drop in significance as the best young players lean towards Q4 but look pedestrian in MLSN's system one age group up.

The age grouping change will have a first mover advantage. Will be interesting to see who acts like dinosaur and refuses to act to change.

Yeah, first-moving might be first not to be not-so fast. Most elite players are Q1-Q2 because of RAE. If ECNL goes head-first into SY, it could screw over a lot of good players in a rush to SY. MLSN/GA could benefit -- as well as all of youth soccer -- by delaying a year or 2 for 13U and above. That may actually help with a better phase-in to SY.

[Anonymous]

‘Most elite players are Q1-Q2 because of RAE’

Simply not true. Most of our starting squad is Q4/Q3 and less than half of our team is Q1/Q2. Yes, top ranked team. We are not an exception, only a demonstration that the Q1/Q2 superiority is a myth often originated by U little dad coaches and perpetuated by parents who don’t understand soccer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:‘Most elite players are Q1-Q2 because of RAE’

Simply not true. Most of our starting squad is Q4/Q3 and less than half of our team is Q1/Q2. Yes, top ranked team. We are not an exception, only a demonstration that the Q1/Q2 superiority is a myth often originated by U little dad coaches and perpetuated by parents who don’t understand soccer.

Depends on your definition of "elite" if you are referring to national level elite then you are correct. If you are referring to alphabet soup elite RAE absolutely factors in. There are actual studies on this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So in clubs where the top team is one MLSN2 team and the rest of their levels are definitely switching to SY, that club will lose any kid that doesn't make the top team to a different club, especially if they are Q3/Q4. At the MLSN2 club, the best players from the year below (aka SY peers) would be on MLSN2 birth year down, so those kids would essentially be dropping two levels of play. (Unless they bioband.)

Maybe, maybe not.

As highlighted MLSN doesnt need to switch to SY. It does make sense for MLSN2 to switch to SY if theyre going to allow playing in HS. But this is all rumors. Likely made up by ECNL parents.

For sure, ECNL would love MLSN to stay BY, but hard to imagine they alienate the rest of the clubs and tournament organizers, not to mention splice up the talent pool.

p2p MLSN club owners are not stupid. They will not please BY crazy.

Club directors run a business and that means they want what makes them money. If MLSN which is the top boys platform stays BY they will comply and do the extra work to figure out two separate systems.

They may not like it but they will do whatever they can to stay apart of their selected platform.

MLSN does have the attitude that they are in charge so after an extra year or so of fumbling with By while the rest of youth soccer is SY, they will be forced to go Sy or drop in significance as the best young players lean towards Q4 but look pedestrian in MLSN's system one age group up.

The age grouping change will have a first mover advantage. Will be interesting to see who acts like dinosaur and refuses to act to change.

Yeah, first-moving might be first not to be not-so fast. Most elite players are Q1-Q2 because of RAE. If ECNL goes head-first into SY, it could screw over a lot of good players in a rush to SY. MLSN/GA could benefit -- as well as all of youth soccer -- by delaying a year or 2 for 13U and above. That may actually help with a better phase-in to SY.

Say you know nothing about RAE without saying you know nothing about RAE.

There is data on this…do you know what the impact RAE has on “elite” youth soccer (u14 and older)? What % change in distribution?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So in clubs where the top team is one MLSN2 team and the rest of their levels are definitely switching to SY, that club will lose any kid that doesn't make the top team to a different club, especially if they are Q3/Q4. At the MLSN2 club, the best players from the year below (aka SY peers) would be on MLSN2 birth year down, so those kids would essentially be dropping two levels of play. (Unless they bioband.)

Maybe, maybe not.

As highlighted MLSN doesnt need to switch to SY. It does make sense for MLSN2 to switch to SY if theyre going to allow playing in HS. But this is all rumors. Likely made up by ECNL parents.

For sure, ECNL would love MLSN to stay BY, but hard to imagine they alienate the rest of the clubs and tournament organizers, not to mention splice up the talent pool.

p2p MLSN club owners are not stupid. They will not please BY crazy.

Club directors run a business and that means they want what makes them money. If MLSN which is the top boys platform stays BY they will comply and do the extra work to figure out two separate systems.

They may not like it but they will do whatever they can to stay apart of their selected platform.

MLSN does have the attitude that they are in charge so after an extra year or so of fumbling with By while the rest of youth soccer is SY, they will be forced to go Sy or drop in significance as the best young players lean towards Q4 but look pedestrian in MLSN's system one age group up.

The age grouping change will have a first mover advantage. Will be interesting to see who acts like dinosaur and refuses to act to change.

Yeah, first-moving might be first not to be not-so fast. Most elite players are Q1-Q2 because of RAE. If ECNL goes head-first into SY, it could screw over a lot of good players in a rush to SY. MLSN/GA could benefit -- as well as all of youth soccer -- by delaying a year or 2 for 13U and above. That may actually help with a better phase-in to SY.

Delaying across an age group causes huge issues as one age group becomes only 6 months in an age cutoff and another becomes 18 months. So as some sort of bizarre compromise or kicking the can, the delay is until fall 2026 for all age groups. Nobody league is so far taking advantage of the delay to do anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So in clubs where the top team is one MLSN2 team and the rest of their levels are definitely switching to SY, that club will lose any kid that doesn't make the top team to a different club, especially if they are Q3/Q4. At the MLSN2 club, the best players from the year below (aka SY peers) would be on MLSN2 birth year down, so those kids would essentially be dropping two levels of play. (Unless they bioband.)

Maybe, maybe not.

As highlighted MLSN doesnt need to switch to SY. It does make sense for MLSN2 to switch to SY if theyre going to allow playing in HS. But this is all rumors. Likely made up by ECNL parents.

For sure, ECNL would love MLSN to stay BY, but hard to imagine they alienate the rest of the clubs and tournament organizers, not to mention splice up the talent pool.

p2p MLSN club owners are not stupid. They will not please BY crazy.

Club directors run a business and that means they want what makes them money. If MLSN which is the top boys platform stays BY they will comply and do the extra work to figure out two separate systems.

They may not like it but they will do whatever they can to stay apart of their selected platform.

MLSN does have the attitude that they are in charge so after an extra year or so of fumbling with By while the rest of youth soccer is SY, they will be forced to go Sy or drop in significance as the best young players lean towards Q4 but look pedestrian in MLSN's system one age group up.

The age grouping change will have a first mover advantage. Will be interesting to see who acts like dinosaur and refuses to act to change.

Yeah, first-moving might be first not to be not-so fast. Most elite players are Q1-Q2 because of RAE. If ECNL goes head-first into SY, it could screw over a lot of good players in a rush to SY. MLSN/GA could benefit -- as well as all of youth soccer -- by delaying a year or 2 for 13U and above. That may actually help with a better phase-in to SY.

Works great for a year or so then you have no pipeline of Q1-Q2 kids and no good way of identifying them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So in clubs where the top team is one MLSN2 team and the rest of their levels are definitely switching to SY, that club will lose any kid that doesn't make the top team to a different club, especially if they are Q3/Q4. At the MLSN2 club, the best players from the year below (aka SY peers) would be on MLSN2 birth year down, so those kids would essentially be dropping two levels of play. (Unless they bioband.)

Maybe, maybe not.

As highlighted MLSN doesnt need to switch to SY. It does make sense for MLSN2 to switch to SY if theyre going to allow playing in HS. But this is all rumors. Likely made up by ECNL parents.

For sure, ECNL would love MLSN to stay BY, but hard to imagine they alienate the rest of the clubs and tournament organizers, not to mention splice up the talent pool.

p2p MLSN club owners are not stupid. They will not please BY crazy.

Club directors run a business and that means they want what makes them money. If MLSN which is the top boys platform stays BY they will comply and do the extra work to figure out two separate systems.

They may not like it but they will do whatever they can to stay apart of their selected platform.

MLSN does have the attitude that they are in charge so after an extra year or so of fumbling with By while the rest of youth soccer is SY, they will be forced to go Sy or drop in significance as the best young players lean towards Q4 but look pedestrian in MLSN's system one age group up.

The age grouping change will have a first mover advantage. Will be interesting to see who acts like dinosaur and refuses to act to change.

Yeah, first-moving might be first not to be not-so fast. Most elite players are Q1-Q2 because of RAE. If ECNL goes head-first into SY, it could screw over a lot of good players in a rush to SY. MLSN/GA could benefit -- as well as all of youth soccer -- by delaying a year or 2 for 13U and above. That may actually help with a better phase-in to SY.

Y'all are waaaay overthinking this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So in clubs where the top team is one MLSN2 team and the rest of their levels are definitely switching to SY, that club will lose any kid that doesn't make the top team to a different club, especially if they are Q3/Q4. At the MLSN2 club, the best players from the year below (aka SY peers) would be on MLSN2 birth year down, so those kids would essentially be dropping two levels of play. (Unless they bioband.)

Maybe, maybe not.

As highlighted MLSN doesnt need to switch to SY. It does make sense for MLSN2 to switch to SY if theyre going to allow playing in HS. But this is all rumors. Likely made up by ECNL parents.

For sure, ECNL would love MLSN to stay BY, but hard to imagine they alienate the rest of the clubs and tournament organizers, not to mention splice up the talent pool.

p2p MLSN club owners are not stupid. They will not please BY crazy.

Club directors run a business and that means they want what makes them money. If MLSN which is the top boys platform stays BY they will comply and do the extra work to figure out two separate systems.

They may not like it but they will do whatever they can to stay apart of their selected platform.

MLSN does have the attitude that they are in charge so after an extra year or so of fumbling with By while the rest of youth soccer is SY, they will be forced to go Sy or drop in significance as the best young players lean towards Q4 but look pedestrian in MLSN's system one age group up.

The age grouping change will have a first mover advantage. Will be interesting to see who acts like dinosaur and refuses to act to change.

Yeah, first-moving might be first not to be not-so fast. Most elite players are Q1-Q2 because of RAE. If ECNL goes head-first into SY, it could screw over a lot of good players in a rush to SY. MLSN/GA could benefit -- as well as all of youth soccer -- by delaying a year or 2 for 13U and above. That may actually help with a better phase-in to SY.

Y'all are waaaay overthinking this.

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And from a weird pro-ECNL girl parent point of view

[Anonymous]

The U.S. Youth Soccer system is far too complex. It should be simple for parents and players to understand the levels of clubs they play for or would like to play for. The system should also incentivize clubs to develop and profit from their players via transfers, etc., instead of profiting from fees they charge players.

In my region, there are MLS Next teams (2010) that are ranked lower than multiple ECNL RL teams (not to mention even more ECNL teams). At least one of these MLSN teams charges its players outrageous annual fees. The parents think their kids are playing for top teams, but in reality they are playing for glorified mid level ECNL RL teams.

This is an utter racket. It is shameful that US Soccer has allowed this to happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So here is what we know:
- US Soccer gave member associations reasonable flexibility to modify their age registration.
- AYSO, US Club, and USYS then announced 8/1-7/31 starting Fall of 26, after initially saying 9/1.
- No league associated with either of those 3 (aside from maybe a few rec originations here and there) has said anything about their plans to implement the change. ECNL has made no mention of it all.
- GA and MLSN have made no announcements on what, if anything, they plan to do. And because they’re self-governing (correct me if I’m wrong) what AYSO, US Club and USYS do has no bearing on them whatsoever.

So that is what we know. Everything else is just guessing and wishful thinking.
And until ECNL lays out their plan, we can assume there is no changing coming this spring to allow teams to adjust. And because GA and MLSN have said nothing, we can assume they are not going to change.

HOWEVER, we can also assume that until ECNL comes out with their “plan”, we are not going to hear a peep from either MLSN or GA. There is no advantage yet (and they’re all looking for an advantage) to say anything or give any details until we get close to next season.

I’m in the boat that once ECNL announces SY, we will get the same announcement that MLSN and GA are going SY. I can see the arguments on both sides as to why GA/MLSN will/should stay BY, but I think at the end of the day youth soccer will realize it benefits everyone to be on the same page. Whether that is the right page will be debated for years (you know what they say about opinions - they’re a lot like a**holes because everybody has one!) Time will tell! Until then, we are going to get to 2000 pages in no time!

Technically GA is using USSSA for paperwork/sanctioning right now. However US Soccer has given them the ability to do what USSSA is providing for themselves or any other league. (They can function like US Club)

MLSN uses MLS for paperwork/sanctioning.

See how this can be an issue for US Club who thinks they have all the littles under thumb. All GA + MLS have to do is make the call and we could have BY littles leagues.