ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So here is what we know:
- US Soccer gave member associations reasonable flexibility to modify their age registration.
- AYSO, US Club, and USYS then announced 8/1-7/31 starting Fall of 26, after initially saying 9/1.
- No league associated with either of those 3 (aside from maybe a few rec originations here and there) has said anything about their plans to implement the change. ECNL has made no mention of it all.
- GA and MLSN have made no announcements on what, if anything, they plan to do. And because they’re self-governing (correct me if I’m wrong) what AYSO, US Club and USYS do has no bearing on them whatsoever.

So that is what we know. Everything else is just guessing and wishful thinking.
And until ECNL lays out their plan, we can assume there is no changing coming this spring to allow teams to adjust. And because GA and MLSN have said nothing, we can assume they are not going to change.

HOWEVER, we can also assume that until ECNL comes out with their “plan”, we are not going to hear a peep from either MLSN or GA. There is no advantage yet (and they’re all looking for an advantage) to say anything or give any details until we get close to next season.

I’m in the boat that once ECNL announces SY, we will get the same announcement that MLSN and GA are going SY. I can see the arguments on both sides as to why GA/MLSN will/should stay BY, but I think at the end of the day youth soccer will realize it benefits everyone to be on the same page. Whether that is the right page will be debated for years (you know what they say about opinions - they’re a lot like a**holes because everybody has one!) Time will tell! Until then, we are going to get to 2000 pages in no time!

Technically GA is using USSSA for paperwork/sanctioning right now. However US Soccer has given them the ability to do what USSSA is providing for themselves or any other league. (They can function like US Club)

MLSN uses MLS for paperwork/sanctioning.

See how this can be an issue for US Club who thinks they have all the littles under thumb. All GA + MLS have to do is make the call and we could have BY littles leagues.

This changed has changed. GA is fully self sanctioned now, their sub leagues like DPL which are open to clubs that also have ECNL or other national platforms, are sanctioned under USSSA. Aspire will be under GA sanctioning umbrella.

[Anonymous]

Just what we need more travel at U9 and U10 because the clubs close by are all in different leagues. Make it make sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So here is what we know:
- US Soccer gave member associations reasonable flexibility to modify their age registration.
- AYSO, US Club, and USYS then announced 8/1-7/31 starting Fall of 26, after initially saying 9/1.
- No league associated with either of those 3 (aside from maybe a few rec originations here and there) has said anything about their plans to implement the change. ECNL has made no mention of it all.
- GA and MLSN have made no announcements on what, if anything, they plan to do. And because they’re self-governing (correct me if I’m wrong) what AYSO, US Club and USYS do has no bearing on them whatsoever.

So that is what we know. Everything else is just guessing and wishful thinking.
And until ECNL lays out their plan, we can assume there is no changing coming this spring to allow teams to adjust. And because GA and MLSN have said nothing, we can assume they are not going to change.

HOWEVER, we can also assume that until ECNL comes out with their “plan”, we are not going to hear a peep from either MLSN or GA. There is no advantage yet (and they’re all looking for an advantage) to say anything or give any details until we get close to next season.

I’m in the boat that once ECNL announces SY, we will get the same announcement that MLSN and GA are going SY. I can see the arguments on both sides as to why GA/MLSN will/should stay BY, but I think at the end of the day youth soccer will realize it benefits everyone to be on the same page. Whether that is the right page will be debated for years (you know what they say about opinions - they’re a lot like a**holes because everybody has one!) Time will tell! Until then, we are going to get to 2000 pages in no time!

Technically GA is using USSSA for paperwork/sanctioning right now. However US Soccer has given them the ability to do what USSSA is providing for themselves or any other league. (They can function like US Club)

MLSN uses MLS for paperwork/sanctioning.

See how this can be an issue for US Club who thinks they have all the littles under thumb. All GA + MLS have to do is make the call and we could have BY littles leagues.

This changed has changed. GA is fully self sanctioned now, their sub leagues like DPL which are open to clubs that also have ECNL or other national platforms, are sanctioned under USSSA. Aspire will be under GA sanctioning umbrella.

Well that makes sense I was wondering when GA would flip the switch.

Just so everyone understands what's going on.

US Soccer -> MLS -> MLSN
US Soccer -> GA
US Soccer -> US Club -> ECNL

US Soccer is setting things up so NWSL can take over GA like how MLS took over Boys DA.

Also both MLSN and GA are setting up MLSN2 and GA2 so clubs can switch over from ECNL/ECRL and nothing will change other than the league. Put another way they're working to make ECNL the MLSN2 and GA2 league. What they'll do is keep MLSN and GA BY and MLSN2 and GA2 SY which if MLSN Acadamies stay aligned witb MLS and GA somehow aligns with NWSL will happen.

The only reason NWSL + GA hasn't occurred yet is because Jessica Berman makes more money for NWSL owners by bringing on expansion teams than fielding the best possible product. Eventually adding more clubs will hit dismishing returns and NWSL clubs will need to actually win to appeal to a larger audience and the Subaru Outback / Comfortable Shoes crowd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just what we need more travel at U9 and U10 because the clubs close by are all in different leagues. Make it make sense.

This is the war that's going on.

If MLSN/GA choose to make a BY youngers league it will make things difficult for US Club / USYS leagues this is because everyone will need to drive farther for games.

I'm sure MLSN/GA league leadership are looking at this as a huge opportunity to take over a large part of the littles market.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just what we need more travel at U9 and U10 because the clubs close by are all in different leagues. Make it make sense.

This is the war that's going on.

If MLSN/GA choose to make a BY youngers league it will make things difficult for US Club / USYS leagues this is because everyone will need to drive farther for games.

I'm sure MLSN/GA league leadership are looking at this as a huge opportunity to take over a large part of the littles market.

If that happens then it will swing hard to lower level travel going back to rec. Add in the coming recession there is no way lower level travel parents are going to be willing to travel hours for one game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just what we need more travel at U9 and U10 because the clubs close by are all in different leagues. Make it make sense.

This is the war that's going on.

If MLSN/GA choose to make a BY youngers league it will make things difficult for US Club / USYS leagues this is because everyone will need to drive farther for games.

I'm sure MLSN/GA league leadership are looking at this as a huge opportunity to take over a large part of the littles market.

If that happens then it will swing hard to lower level travel going back to rec. Add in the coming recession there is no way lower level travel parents are going to be willing to travel hours for one game.

The clubs will control rec as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just what we need more travel at U9 and U10 because the clubs close by are all in different leagues. Make it make sense.

This is the war that's going on.

If MLSN/GA choose to make a BY youngers league it will make things difficult for US Club / USYS leagues this is because everyone will need to drive farther for games.

I'm sure MLSN/GA league leadership are looking at this as a huge opportunity to take over a large part of the littles market.

If that happens then it will swing hard to lower level travel going back to rec. Add in the coming recession there is no way lower level travel parents are going to be willing to travel hours for one game.

The clubs will control rec as well.

Good luck with that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So in clubs where the top team is one MLSN2 team and the rest of their levels are definitely switching to SY, that club will lose any kid that doesn't make the top team to a different club, especially if they are Q3/Q4. At the MLSN2 club, the best players from the year below (aka SY peers) would be on MLSN2 birth year down, so those kids would essentially be dropping two levels of play. (Unless they bioband.)

Maybe, maybe not.

As highlighted MLSN doesnt need to switch to SY. It does make sense for MLSN2 to switch to SY if theyre going to allow playing in HS. But this is all rumors. Likely made up by ECNL parents.

For sure, ECNL would love MLSN to stay BY, but hard to imagine they alienate the rest of the clubs and tournament organizers, not to mention splice up the talent pool.

p2p MLSN club owners are not stupid. They will not please BY crazy.

Club directors run a business and that means they want what makes them money. If MLSN which is the top boys platform stays BY they will comply and do the extra work to figure out two separate systems.

They may not like it but they will do whatever they can to stay apart of their selected platform.

MLSN does have the attitude that they are in charge so after an extra year or so of fumbling with By while the rest of youth soccer is SY, they will be forced to go Sy or drop in significance as the best young players lean towards Q4 but look pedestrian in MLSN's system one age group up.

The age grouping change will have a first mover advantage. Will be interesting to see who acts like dinosaur and refuses to act to change.

Yeah, first-moving might be first not to be not-so fast. Most elite players are Q1-Q2 because of RAE. If ECNL goes head-first into SY, it could screw over a lot of good players in a rush to SY. MLSN/GA could benefit -- as well as all of youth soccer -- by delaying a year or 2 for 13U and above. That may actually help with a better phase-in to SY.

Works great for a year or so then you have no pipeline of Q1-Q2 kids and no good way of identifying them.

It's called recruiting and how ECNL is so strong right now in girls. Combined delaying PLUS getting some ECNL clubs to switch over for MLSN and you might just have an earthquake in youth soccer. (Might happen anyway even if MLSN/GA doesn't delay the switch).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So in clubs where the top team is one MLSN2 team and the rest of their levels are definitely switching to SY, that club will lose any kid that doesn't make the top team to a different club, especially if they are Q3/Q4. At the MLSN2 club, the best players from the year below (aka SY peers) would be on MLSN2 birth year down, so those kids would essentially be dropping two levels of play. (Unless they bioband.)

Maybe, maybe not.

As highlighted MLSN doesnt need to switch to SY. It does make sense for MLSN2 to switch to SY if theyre going to allow playing in HS. But this is all rumors. Likely made up by ECNL parents.

For sure, ECNL would love MLSN to stay BY, but hard to imagine they alienate the rest of the clubs and tournament organizers, not to mention splice up the talent pool.

p2p MLSN club owners are not stupid. They will not please BY crazy.

Club directors run a business and that means they want what makes them money. If MLSN which is the top boys platform stays BY they will comply and do the extra work to figure out two separate systems.

They may not like it but they will do whatever they can to stay apart of their selected platform.

MLSN does have the attitude that they are in charge so after an extra year or so of fumbling with By while the rest of youth soccer is SY, they will be forced to go Sy or drop in significance as the best young players lean towards Q4 but look pedestrian in MLSN's system one age group up.

The age grouping change will have a first mover advantage. Will be interesting to see who acts like dinosaur and refuses to act to change.

Yeah, first-moving might be first not to be not-so fast. Most elite players are Q1-Q2 because of RAE. If ECNL goes head-first into SY, it could screw over a lot of good players in a rush to SY. MLSN/GA could benefit -- as well as all of youth soccer -- by delaying a year or 2 for 13U and above. That may actually help with a better phase-in to SY.

Works great for a year or so then you have no pipeline of Q1-Q2 kids and no good way of identifying them.

It's called recruiting and how ECNL is so strong right now in girls. Combined delaying PLUS getting some ECNL clubs to switch over for MLSN and you might just have an earthquake in youth soccer. (Might happen anyway even if MLSN/GA doesn't delay the switch).

And forcing MLSN/ECNL clubs to be MLSN/GA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So here is what we know:
- US Soccer gave member associations reasonable flexibility to modify their age registration.
- AYSO, US Club, and USYS then announced 8/1-7/31 starting Fall of 26, after initially saying 9/1.
- No league associated with either of those 3 (aside from maybe a few rec originations here and there) has said anything about their plans to implement the change. ECNL has made no mention of it all.
- GA and MLSN have made no announcements on what, if anything, they plan to do. And because they’re self-governing (correct me if I’m wrong) what AYSO, US Club and USYS do has no bearing on them whatsoever.

So that is what we know. Everything else is just guessing and wishful thinking.
And until ECNL lays out their plan, we can assume there is no changing coming this spring to allow teams to adjust. And because GA and MLSN have said nothing, we can assume they are not going to change.

HOWEVER, we can also assume that until ECNL comes out with their “plan”, we are not going to hear a peep from either MLSN or GA. There is no advantage yet (and they’re all looking for an advantage) to say anything or give any details until we get close to next season.

I’m in the boat that once ECNL announces SY, we will get the same announcement that MLSN and GA are going SY. I can see the arguments on both sides as to why GA/MLSN will/should stay BY, but I think at the end of the day youth soccer will realize it benefits everyone to be on the same page. Whether that is the right page will be debated for years (you know what they say about opinions - they’re a lot like a**holes because everybody has one!) Time will tell! Until then, we are going to get to 2000 pages in no time!

Technically GA is using USSSA for paperwork/sanctioning right now. However US Soccer has given them the ability to do what USSSA is providing for themselves or any other league. (They can function like US Club)

MLSN uses MLS for paperwork/sanctioning.

See how this can be an issue for US Club who thinks they have all the littles under thumb. All GA + MLS have to do is make the call and we could have BY littles leagues.

Do you kneel down and pray to your favorite MLS poster each day? Is your license plate “MLS-DORK”? Do you have a bumper sticker that says “I cream for MLSN”… me thinks so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So here is what we know:
- US Soccer gave member associations reasonable flexibility to modify their age registration.
- AYSO, US Club, and USYS then announced 8/1-7/31 starting Fall of 26, after initially saying 9/1.
- No league associated with either of those 3 (aside from maybe a few rec originations here and there) has said anything about their plans to implement the change. ECNL has made no mention of it all.
- GA and MLSN have made no announcements on what, if anything, they plan to do. And because they’re self-governing (correct me if I’m wrong) what AYSO, US Club and USYS do has no bearing on them whatsoever.

So that is what we know. Everything else is just guessing and wishful thinking.
And until ECNL lays out their plan, we can assume there is no changing coming this spring to allow teams to adjust. And because GA and MLSN have said nothing, we can assume they are not going to change.

HOWEVER, we can also assume that until ECNL comes out with their “plan”, we are not going to hear a peep from either MLSN or GA. There is no advantage yet (and they’re all looking for an advantage) to say anything or give any details until we get close to next season.

I’m in the boat that once ECNL announces SY, we will get the same announcement that MLSN and GA are going SY. I can see the arguments on both sides as to why GA/MLSN will/should stay BY, but I think at the end of the day youth soccer will realize it benefits everyone to be on the same page. Whether that is the right page will be debated for years (you know what they say about opinions - they’re a lot like a**holes because everybody has one!) Time will tell! Until then, we are going to get to 2000 pages in no time!

Technically GA is using USSSA for paperwork/sanctioning right now. However US Soccer has given them the ability to do what USSSA is providing for themselves or any other league. (They can function like US Club)

MLSN uses MLS for paperwork/sanctioning.

See how this can be an issue for US Club who thinks they have all the littles under thumb. All GA + MLS have to do is make the call and we could have BY littles leagues.

This changed has changed. GA is fully self sanctioned now, their sub leagues like DPL which are open to clubs that also have ECNL or other national platforms, are sanctioned under USSSA. Aspire will be under GA sanctioning umbrella.

Well that makes sense I was wondering when GA would flip the switch.

Just so everyone understands what's going on.

US Soccer -> MLS -> MLSN
US Soccer -> GA
US Soccer -> US Club -> ECNL

US Soccer is setting things up so NWSL can take over GA like how MLS took over Boys DA.

Also both MLSN and GA are setting up MLSN2 and GA2 so clubs can switch over from ECNL/ECRL and nothing will change other than the league. Put another way they're working to make ECNL the MLSN2 and GA2 league. What they'll do is keep MLSN and GA BY and MLSN2 and GA2 SY which if MLSN Acadamies stay aligned witb MLS and GA somehow aligns with NWSL will happen.

The only reason NWSL + GA hasn't occurred yet is because Jessica Berman makes more money for NWSL owners by bringing on expansion teams than fielding the best possible product. Eventually adding more clubs will hit dismishing returns and NWSL clubs will need to actually win to appeal to a larger audience and the Subaru Outback / Comfortable Shoes crowd.

You can stop pitching, spend the time driving your kid to privates so they can make MLSN3

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So here is what we know:
- US Soccer gave member associations reasonable flexibility to modify their age registration.
- AYSO, US Club, and USYS then announced 8/1-7/31 starting Fall of 26, after initially saying 9/1.
- No league associated with either of those 3 (aside from maybe a few rec originations here and there) has said anything about their plans to implement the change. ECNL has made no mention of it all.
- GA and MLSN have made no announcements on what, if anything, they plan to do. And because they’re self-governing (correct me if I’m wrong) what AYSO, US Club and USYS do has no bearing on them whatsoever.

So that is what we know. Everything else is just guessing and wishful thinking.
And until ECNL lays out their plan, we can assume there is no changing coming this spring to allow teams to adjust. And because GA and MLSN have said nothing, we can assume they are not going to change.

HOWEVER, we can also assume that until ECNL comes out with their “plan”, we are not going to hear a peep from either MLSN or GA. There is no advantage yet (and they’re all looking for an advantage) to say anything or give any details until we get close to next season.

I’m in the boat that once ECNL announces SY, we will get the same announcement that MLSN and GA are going SY. I can see the arguments on both sides as to why GA/MLSN will/should stay BY, but I think at the end of the day youth soccer will realize it benefits everyone to be on the same page. Whether that is the right page will be debated for years (you know what they say about opinions - they’re a lot like a**holes because everybody has one!) Time will tell! Until then, we are going to get to 2000 pages in no time!

Technically GA is using USSSA for paperwork/sanctioning right now. However US Soccer has given them the ability to do what USSSA is providing for themselves or any other league. (They can function like US Club)

MLSN uses MLS for paperwork/sanctioning.

See how this can be an issue for US Club who thinks they have all the littles under thumb. All GA + MLS have to do is make the call and we could have BY littles leagues.

Do you kneel down and pray to your favorite MLS poster each day? Is your license plate “MLS-DORK”? Do you have a bumper sticker that says “I cream for MLSN”… me thinks so.

Day drinking again?

[Anonymous]

Biobanding in MLSN2 ?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So in clubs where the top team is one MLSN2 team and the rest of their levels are definitely switching to SY, that club will lose any kid that doesn't make the top team to a different club, especially if they are Q3/Q4. At the MLSN2 club, the best players from the year below (aka SY peers) would be on MLSN2 birth year down, so those kids would essentially be dropping two levels of play. (Unless they bioband.)

Maybe, maybe not.

As highlighted MLSN doesnt need to switch to SY. It does make sense for MLSN2 to switch to SY if theyre going to allow playing in HS. But this is all rumors. Likely made up by ECNL parents.

For sure, ECNL would love MLSN to stay BY, but hard to imagine they alienate the rest of the clubs and tournament organizers, not to mention splice up the talent pool.

p2p MLSN club owners are not stupid. They will not please BY crazy.

Club directors run a business and that means they want what makes them money. If MLSN which is the top boys platform stays BY they will comply and do the extra work to figure out two separate systems.

They may not like it but they will do whatever they can to stay apart of their selected platform.

MLSN does have the attitude that they are in charge so after an extra year or so of fumbling with By while the rest of youth soccer is SY, they will be forced to go Sy or drop in significance as the best young players lean towards Q4 but look pedestrian in MLSN's system one age group up.

The age grouping change will have a first mover advantage. Will be interesting to see who acts like dinosaur and refuses to act to change.

Yeah, first-moving might be first not to be not-so fast. Most elite players are Q1-Q2 because of RAE. If ECNL goes head-first into SY, it could screw over a lot of good players in a rush to SY. MLSN/GA could benefit -- as well as all of youth soccer -- by delaying a year or 2 for 13U and above. That may actually help with a better phase-in to SY.

Works great for a year or so then you have no pipeline of Q1-Q2 kids and no good way of identifying them.

It's called recruiting and how ECNL is so strong right now in girls. Combined delaying PLUS getting some ECNL clubs to switch over for MLSN and you might just have an earthquake in youth soccer. (Might happen anyway even if MLSN/GA doesn't delay the switch).

And forcing MLSN/ECNL clubs to be MLSN/GA

I heard there is pressure on some of the middle pack ECNL girls/ MLSN boys clubs to move the girls over or be kicked out of MLSN.
The top MLSN clubs won’t be harassed as much about it.
But be ready for some real movement next year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So here is what we know:
- US Soccer gave member associations reasonable flexibility to modify their age registration.
- AYSO, US Club, and USYS then announced 8/1-7/31 starting Fall of 26, after initially saying 9/1.
- No league associated with either of those 3 (aside from maybe a few rec originations here and there) has said anything about their plans to implement the change. ECNL has made no mention of it all.
- GA and MLSN have made no announcements on what, if anything, they plan to do. And because they’re self-governing (correct me if I’m wrong) what AYSO, US Club and USYS do has no bearing on them whatsoever.

So that is what we know. Everything else is just guessing and wishful thinking.
And until ECNL lays out their plan, we can assume there is no changing coming this spring to allow teams to adjust. And because GA and MLSN have said nothing, we can assume they are not going to change.

HOWEVER, we can also assume that until ECNL comes out with their “plan”, we are not going to hear a peep from either MLSN or GA. There is no advantage yet (and they’re all looking for an advantage) to say anything or give any details until we get close to next season.

I’m in the boat that once ECNL announces SY, we will get the same announcement that MLSN and GA are going SY. I can see the arguments on both sides as to why GA/MLSN will/should stay BY, but I think at the end of the day youth soccer will realize it benefits everyone to be on the same page. Whether that is the right page will be debated for years (you know what they say about opinions - they’re a lot like a**holes because everybody has one!) Time will tell! Until then, we are going to get to 2000 pages in no time!

Technically GA is using USSSA for paperwork/sanctioning right now. However US Soccer has given them the ability to do what USSSA is providing for themselves or any other league. (They can function like US Club)

MLSN uses MLS for paperwork/sanctioning.

See how this can be an issue for US Club who thinks they have all the littles under thumb. All GA + MLS have to do is make the call and we could have BY littles leagues.

Do you kneel down and pray to your favorite MLS poster each day? Is your license plate “MLS-DORK”? Do you have a bumper sticker that says “I cream for MLSN”… me thinks so.

Day drinking again?

Why are you talking down day drinking?