2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It was daily mail

Thanks. Here's the link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3646647/Lawyer-says-warned-Disney-alligators-year-one-approached-son-wading-lagoon-told-resident-pets.html

I'm surprised this isn't getting more attention. I'm not a lawyer, but I assume if they knew that there were issues with alligators going after humans, they are beyond enormously liable.

Yeah, that is pretty damning, especially the letter he wrote.

They'll just claim they never got his letter. Did he send it certified?

[Anonymous]

We were told when we there by an employee that they don't allow swimming because of boat traffic. This was after another vacationer mentioned that he used to swim there years ago.

So either they told their employees to lie, or they really just didn't see the gators as a threat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It was daily mail

Thanks. Here's the link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3646647/Lawyer-says-warned-Disney-alligators-year-one-approached-son-wading-lagoon-told-resident-pets.html

I'm surprised this isn't getting more attention. I'm not a lawyer, but I assume if they knew that there were issues with alligators going after humans, they are beyond enormously liable.

There was an alligator that went after a human in '86. What other issues were there? Disney is taking several steps to reduce the likelihood of this happening again. That's what everyone wants.

Everyone wants for a 2 year old not to have been killed.

This guy isn't the only one who's come forward saying he's expressed concerns to Disney. There are also articles out right now citing numerous Disney employees who've reported the alligator issue to management and specifically suggested that something needs to be done for safety of guests. This is another reason this will never go to trial, because an attorney doesn't have to look far to find multiple people willing to share their personal first hand experience with this issue and that they informed Disney about it.

[Anonymous]

I agree that this is not going to trial. Disney will settle out of court, and in fact, has probably already reached out to the family offering to do so. While I don't think that this is Disney's "fault", or anyone's fault except possibly the alligator's, I do think that Disney is liable for things that happen on their property. I also think that the cost of lost business due to publicity will be a huge factor in their decision to settle.

Having said all that, I do think that Disney's alligator management program is pretty strong if it's prevented all deaths except this one. For comparison, during the same period at least 3 kids have drowned in Disney's pools, and no one is calling for them to rethink the decision to have swimming pools.

[Anonymous]

Really though? That Disney was unaware of alligators is impossible to believe. I'm sure actuaries have been making them pay through the nose for insurance against the possibility of attack, they'll pay off the victim's family and other witnesses, and then recover. People will still go to Disney. All the better that they'll revise their signage and parents all over the world will avoid dark water where they can't see danger approaching.

I've had a life long fear of water too dark to see the bottom and now a lot more parents have the gift of fear that will serve them where Disney failed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree that this is not going to trial. Disney will settle out of court, and in fact, has probably already reached out to the family offering to do so. While I don't think that this is Disney's "fault", or anyone's fault except possibly the alligator's, I do think that Disney is liable for things that happen on their property. I also think that the cost of lost business due to publicity will be a huge factor in their decision to settle.

Having said all that, I do think that Disney's alligator management program is pretty strong if it's prevented all deaths except this one. For comparison, during the same period at least 3 kids have drowned in Disney's pools, and no one is calling for them to rethink the decision to have swimming pools.

Yes, and no. If they had a sign up that said "Stay out of the water b/c there are alligators in there," you can bet that the kid wouldn't have been in the water. But informing their guests of this would perhaps make them think twice of staying at the resort, so of course, they don't say anything.

[Anonymous]

[quo=Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree that this is not going to trial. Disney will settle out of court, and in fact, has probably already reached out to the family offering to do so. While I don't think that this is Disney's "fault", or anyone's fault except possibly the alligator's, I do think that Disney is liable for things that happen on their property. I also think that the cost of lost business due to publicity will be a huge factor in their decision to settle.

Having said all that, I do think that Disney's alligator management program is pretty strong if it's prevented all deaths except this one. For comparison, during the same period at least 3 kids have drowned in Disney's pools, and no one is calling for them to rethink the decision to have swimming pools.

Yes, and no. If they had a sign up that said "Stay out of the water b/c there are alligators in there," you can bet that the kid wouldn't have been in the water. But informing their guests of this would perhaps make them think twice of staying at the resort, so of course, they don't say anything.


This is a ridiculous line of argument.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:[quo=Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree that this is not going to trial. Disney will settle out of court, and in fact, has probably already reached out to the family offering to do so. While I don't think that this is Disney's "fault", or anyone's fault except possibly the alligator's, I do think that Disney is liable for things that happen on their property. I also think that the cost of lost business due to publicity will be a huge factor in their decision to settle.

Having said all that, I do think that Disney's alligator management program is pretty strong if it's prevented all deaths except this one. For comparison, during the same period at least 3 kids have drowned in Disney's pools, and no one is calling for them to rethink the decision to have swimming pools.

Yes, and no. If they had a sign up that said "Stay out of the water b/c there are alligators in there," you can bet that the kid wouldn't have been in the water. But informing their guests of this would perhaps make them think twice of staying at the resort, so of course, they don't say anything.

This is a ridiculous line of argument.


Sounds pretty accurate to me.

[Anonymous]

One death out of 40 years tells me their system was working

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[quo=Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree that this is not going to trial. Disney will settle out of court, and in fact, has probably already reached out to the family offering to do so. While I don't think that this is Disney's "fault", or anyone's fault except possibly the alligator's, I do think that Disney is liable for things that happen on their property. I also think that the cost of lost business due to publicity will be a huge factor in their decision to settle.

Having said all that, I do think that Disney's alligator management program is pretty strong if it's prevented all deaths except this one. For comparison, during the same period at least 3 kids have drowned in Disney's pools, and no one is calling for them to rethink the decision to have swimming pools.

Yes, and no. If they had a sign up that said "Stay out of the water b/c there are alligators in there," you can bet that the kid wouldn't have been in the water. But informing their guests of this would perhaps make them think twice of staying at the resort, so of course, they don't say anything.

This is a ridiculous line of argument.

Sounds pretty accurate to me.

No its ridiculous. Your premise is that Disney would rather risk that single resort (a famed 'original five' luxury Disney resort) suddenly tanking or becoming somewhat less attractive to guests (which is ludicrous per my other parenthetical) than the pr nightmare of this apparently completely anticipated alligator attack on a toddler. The nightmare that in addition to costing this boy his life will cost Disney A LOT of money in likely lost revenue and in that hotel for sure suffering now. Seriously?

The mouse is a lot of things, that terrible at risk management is not one of them.

[Anonymous]

My family thinks the parents drowned the kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[quo=Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree that this is not going to trial. Disney will settle out of court, and in fact, has probably already reached out to the family offering to do so. While I don't think that this is Disney's "fault", or anyone's fault except possibly the alligator's, I do think that Disney is liable for things that happen on their property. I also think that the cost of lost business due to publicity will be a huge factor in their decision to settle.

Having said all that, I do think that Disney's alligator management program is pretty strong if it's prevented all deaths except this one. For comparison, during the same period at least 3 kids have drowned in Disney's pools, and no one is calling for them to rethink the decision to have swimming pools.

Yes, and no. If they had a sign up that said "Stay out of the water b/c there are alligators in there," you can bet that the kid wouldn't have been in the water. But informing their guests of this would perhaps make them think twice of staying at the resort, so of course, they don't say anything.

This is a ridiculous line of argument.

Sounds pretty accurate to me.

No its ridiculous. Your premise is that Disney would rather risk that single resort (a famed 'original five' luxury Disney resort) suddenly tanking or becoming somewhat less attractive to guests (which is ludicrous per my other parenthetical) than the pr nightmare of this apparently completely anticipated alligator attack on a toddler. The nightmare that in addition to costing this boy his life will cost Disney A LOT of money in likely lost revenue and in that hotel for sure suffering now. Seriously?

The mouse is a lot of things, that terrible at risk management is not one of them.

Yet here we are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[quo=Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree that this is not going to trial. Disney will settle out of court, and in fact, has probably already reached out to the family offering to do so. While I don't think that this is Disney's "fault", or anyone's fault except possibly the alligator's, I do think that Disney is liable for things that happen on their property. I also think that the cost of lost business due to publicity will be a huge factor in their decision to settle.

Having said all that, I do think that Disney's alligator management program is pretty strong if it's prevented all deaths except this one. For comparison, during the same period at least 3 kids have drowned in Disney's pools, and no one is calling for them to rethink the decision to have swimming pools.

Yes, and no. If they had a sign up that said "Stay out of the water b/c there are alligators in there," you can bet that the kid wouldn't have been in the water. But informing their guests of this would perhaps make them think twice of staying at the resort, so of course, they don't say anything.

This is a ridiculous line of argument.

Sounds pretty accurate to me.

No its ridiculous. Your premise is that Disney would rather risk that single resort (a famed 'original five' luxury Disney resort) suddenly tanking or becoming somewhat less attractive to guests (which is ludicrous per my other parenthetical) than the pr nightmare of this apparently completely anticipated alligator attack on a toddler. The nightmare that in addition to costing this boy his life will cost Disney A LOT of money in likely lost revenue and in that hotel for sure suffering now. Seriously?

The mouse is a lot of things, that terrible at risk management is not one of them.

Yet here we are.

Were here with am unforseen tragedy having just occurred and you feeling like there has to be some evil person cackling in the background having masterminded it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[quo=Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree that this is not going to trial. Disney will settle out of court, and in fact, has probably already reached out to the family offering to do so. While I don't think that this is Disney's "fault", or anyone's fault except possibly the alligator's, I do think that Disney is liable for things that happen on their property. I also think that the cost of lost business due to publicity will be a huge factor in their decision to settle.

Having said all that, I do think that Disney's alligator management program is pretty strong if it's prevented all deaths except this one. For comparison, during the same period at least 3 kids have drowned in Disney's pools, and no one is calling for them to rethink the decision to have swimming pools.

Yes, and no. If they had a sign up that said "Stay out of the water b/c there are alligators in there," you can bet that the kid wouldn't have been in the water. But informing their guests of this would perhaps make them think twice of staying at the resort, so of course, they don't say anything.

This is a ridiculous line of argument.

Sounds pretty accurate to me.

No its ridiculous. Your premise is that Disney would rather risk that single resort (a famed 'original five' luxury Disney resort) suddenly tanking or becoming somewhat less attractive to guests (which is ludicrous per my other parenthetical) than the pr nightmare of this apparently completely anticipated alligator attack on a toddler. The nightmare that in addition to costing this boy his life will cost Disney A LOT of money in likely lost revenue and in that hotel for sure suffering now. Seriously?

The mouse is a lot of things, that terrible at risk management is not one of them.

Yet here we are.

Were here with am unforseen tragedy having just occurred and you feeling like there has to be some evil person cackling in the background having masterminded it?


No but I think as time goes on and more reports come in, it will be confirmed that Disney cast members were told about gators and did zero. Zip. Zilch. There's thousands of cast members. Many are college program kids who come to work there 6 months and then leave. It's disorganized.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My family thinks the parents drowned the kid.

huh? What is the basis for that? I thought there were other witnesses that saw the alligator grab the kid.