That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone acting like the victim was some old lady adult and the predator was a little boy? He was a MAN at age 19 and she was 23. BOTH young adults.

He wasn't a year out of HS when this happened. She had 4 years of college under her belt, a full time job and a steady boyfriend and had been to these parties many, many times. And had the tolerance to prove it.

I believe she specified in her letter that she hadn't been drinking much for a while and had underestimated her tolerance.

You are so anxious to demean this woman.

She primed herself with 4 shots of whiskey before her mother drove her and her sister to that college campus. Her mother thought she was fine. Her sister thought she was fine. The girl is/was a drinker. Hell, I partied in college and I still like alcohol. But could I drink 4 shots of whiskey and not show it? Never in a million years - especially around my mom and my sister.

Demean her? She did that when she drank herself black out drunk and passed out in the dirty pine needles behind a gross dumpster. What Brock did to Emily was gross and wrong. But what Emily did to herself was gross and wrong too. The girl drank herself almost comatose. She was passed out cold and unresponsive for 3 hours! She was assaulted, photographed by the police, young men standing around her wondering what to do "Roll her on her side", finally picked up, transported - and she had no clue about any of it. She has no clue what she did or did not say to Brock or any other guy at that party. She can't remember because she blacked out. She blacked out because she had 3X the legal limit BAC. That is serious. That is life threatening. That is not - "Oops! My tolerance went down" tipsy. This girl drank A LOT.

She could have choked on her own vomit. She could have died from exposure that night. Do not underestimate just how bad this could have been for her. She could be brain damaged or in a coma or dead.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:read this comment today elsewhere and agree 100%:

"Turner's action was criminal & terrible. His father makes idiotic statements to the press.

The victim had a horrible experience and according to her letter, she doesn't remember the actual rape due to her state of self-administered excess alcohol consumption. That's lucky for her. I do not believe the melodramatic & emotional outpouring in her 12 page letter was achieved without assistance from her therapist, attorney, ghost writer or p.r. representative. She will eventually recover, if she chooses to do so. I hope she chooses to.

I am female. I was violently raped on a downtown Palo Alto sidewalk when I was 26. Since I was fully conscious & had consumed no alcohol, I do remember my experience. I was walking from a movie theater to my car, a couple of blocks away at 10pm. I hadn't gone to a fraternity party to "visit with my sister"(?) & drink in a noisy environment where excessive drinking is widely known to occur & lots of the "men" are under age.

I do not blame the victim. I do caution women to consider honestly why they choose to go to fraternity parties. It is unlikely to be because they want to enjoy conversation with & company of other women. I caution adult women to avoid the company of drunk teenagers. I caution women not to walk alone at night even if it's pretty early & only a couple of blocks to the car.

I recovered. My scrapes, bruises & torn fingernails healed. My attacker was never caught, although since he also took my wallet & got my driving license, he did phone me later to tell me how much he "enjoyed meeting me" and wanted "to do it again." I feel no guilt or shame, as I did nothing wrong.

Rape is a terrible crime. Perpetrators should be punished & victims should be supported. I'd have more respect for Emily Doe if she'd indicated positive steps she's taking to heal instead of publicly wallowing in her ongoing suffering with 12 pages of o.t.t. soul-baring. Yes, she can be the poster woman for rape victims when she chooses to identify herself & she publishes her book, for which her letter is the preface."

I'm disgusted that Emily Doe wasn't "raped enough" for you. I'm sorry for what happened to you, but you don't get to be the "biggest" victim. Go away.

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? PP, whoever responded to you is a complete asshole. I read your post, understand exactly what you have to say - and you said it eloquently. I hate that your rape happened. One of my closest friends was brutally raped in her own home.

To the one who responded to you in this post? What you preach is not feminism. It's weakness and cruelty.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think they were attracted to each other. When he is released from prison, they should check into a rehab together.

Funny! Except that won't work because Brock will have to live in a skeevy sex offender shanty town.

I think sex offenders live everywhere. I on the other hand wouldn't want to live next the drunk antelope either.

LOL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:read this comment today elsewhere and agree 100%:

"Turner's action was criminal & terrible. His father makes idiotic statements to the press.

The victim had a horrible experience and according to her letter, she doesn't remember the actual rape due to her state of self-administered excess alcohol consumption. That's lucky for her. I do not believe the melodramatic & emotional outpouring in her 12 page letter was achieved without assistance from her therapist, attorney, ghost writer or p.r. representative. She will eventually recover, if she chooses to do so. I hope she chooses to.

I am female. I was violently raped on a downtown Palo Alto sidewalk when I was 26. Since I was fully conscious & had consumed no alcohol, I do remember my experience. I was walking from a movie theater to my car, a couple of blocks away at 10pm. I hadn't gone to a fraternity party to "visit with my sister"(?) & drink in a noisy environment where excessive drinking is widely known to occur & lots of the "men" are under age.

I do not blame the victim. I do caution women to consider honestly why they choose to go to fraternity parties. It is unlikely to be because they want to enjoy conversation with & company of other women. I caution adult women to avoid the company of drunk teenagers. I caution women not to walk alone at night even if it's pretty early & only a couple of blocks to the car.

I recovered. My scrapes, bruises & torn fingernails healed. My attacker was never caught, although since he also took my wallet & got my driving license, he did phone me later to tell me how much he "enjoyed meeting me" and wanted "to do it again." I feel no guilt or shame, as I did nothing wrong.

Rape is a terrible crime. Perpetrators should be punished & victims should be supported. I'd have more respect for Emily Doe if she'd indicated positive steps she's taking to heal instead of publicly wallowing in her ongoing suffering with 12 pages of o.t.t. soul-baring. Yes, she can be the poster woman for rape victims when she chooses to identify herself & she publishes her book, for which her letter is the preface."

I'm disgusted that Emily Doe wasn't "raped enough" for you. I'm sorry for what happened to you, but you don't get to be the "biggest" victim. Go away.

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? PP, whoever responded to you is a complete asshole. I read your post, understand exactly what you have to say - and you said it eloquently. I hate that your rape happened. One of my closest friends was brutally raped in her own home.

To the one who responded to you in this post? What you preach is not feminism. It's weakness and cruelty.

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-1 Emily Doe isn't looking for your respect. She providing a victim impact statement as she is entitled to deliver in a court of law. It's not a p.r. stunt, it's a victim impact statement. She's entitled to heal in her own way, not your way. She's entitled to use the assistance of a therapist, but fuck anyone who suggested she used a p.r. representative to deliver a victim impact statement. She's even entitled to drink herself into a coma. She would have harmed no one but herself. That post was dripping with judgment, make no mistake about it. Any time anyone says, "I'm not blaming the victim, BUT...." you're blaming the victim. And it's the pillar of anti-feminism to pit "your rape" against "someone else's rape" or experience or anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:read this comment today elsewhere and agree 100%:

"Turner's action was criminal & terrible. His father makes idiotic statements to the press.

The victim had a horrible experience and according to her letter, she doesn't remember the actual rape due to her state of self-administered excess alcohol consumption. That's lucky for her. I do not believe the melodramatic & emotional outpouring in her 12 page letter was achieved without assistance from her therapist, attorney, ghost writer or p.r. representative. She will eventually recover, if she chooses to do so. I hope she chooses to.

I am female. I was violently raped on a downtown Palo Alto sidewalk when I was 26. Since I was fully conscious & had consumed no alcohol, I do remember my experience. I was walking from a movie theater to my car, a couple of blocks away at 10pm. I hadn't gone to a fraternity party to "visit with my sister"(?) & drink in a noisy environment where excessive drinking is widely known to occur & lots of the "men" are under age.

I do not blame the victim. I do caution women to consider honestly why they choose to go to fraternity parties. It is unlikely to be because they want to enjoy conversation with & company of other women. I caution adult women to avoid the company of drunk teenagers. I caution women not to walk alone at night even if it's pretty early & only a couple of blocks to the car.

I recovered. My scrapes, bruises & torn fingernails healed. My attacker was never caught, although since he also took my wallet & got my driving license, he did phone me later to tell me how much he "enjoyed meeting me" and wanted "to do it again." I feel no guilt or shame, as I did nothing wrong.

Rape is a terrible crime. Perpetrators should be punished & victims should be supported. I'd have more respect for Emily Doe if she'd indicated positive steps she's taking to heal instead of publicly wallowing in her ongoing suffering with 12 pages of o.t.t. soul-baring. Yes, she can be the poster woman for rape victims when she chooses to identify herself & she publishes her book, for which her letter is the preface."

I'm disgusted that Emily Doe wasn't "raped enough" for you. I'm sorry for what happened to you, but you don't get to be the "biggest" victim. Go away.

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? PP, whoever responded to you is a complete asshole. I read your post, understand exactly what you have to say - and you said it eloquently. I hate that your rape happened. One of my closest friends was brutally raped in her own home.

To the one who responded to you in this post? What you preach is not feminism. It's weakness and cruelty.

+1

-1 Emily Doe isn't looking for your respect. She providing a victim impact statement as she is entitled to deliver in a court of law. It's not a p.r. stunt, it's a victim impact statement. She's entitled to heal in her own way, not your way. She's entitled to use the assistance of a therapist, but fuck anyone who suggested she used a p.r. representative to deliver a victim impact statement. She's even entitled to drink herself into a coma. She would have harmed no one but herself. That post was dripping with judgment, make no mistake about it. Any time anyone says, "I'm not blaming the victim, BUT...." you're blaming the victim. And it's the pillar of anti-feminism to pit "your rape" against "someone else's rape" or experience or anything.

the professor friend of the victim's family who is spearheading the campaign against the judge is also helping emily doe secure a book deal. i kid you not.

[Anonymous]

And what's wrong with a book deal? Should we silence victims? We've all read many great nonfiction books.

First they killed my father a recent read.

I'm sure she didn't head behind the dumpster with a book deal in mind. Please stop victim blaming. Go Emily Doe!

[Anonymous]

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She primed herself with 4 shots of whiskey before her mother drove her and her sister to that college campus. Her mother thought she was fine. Her sister thought she was fine. The girl is/was a drinker. Hell, I partied in college and I still like alcohol. But could I drink 4 shots of whiskey and not show it? Never in a million years - especially around my mom and my sister.

Demean her? She did that when she drank herself black out drunk and passed out in the dirty pine needles behind a gross dumpster. What Brock did to Emily was gross and wrong. But what Emily did to herself was gross and wrong too. The girl drank herself almost comatose. She was passed out cold and unresponsive for 3 hours! She was assaulted, photographed by the police, young men standing around her wondering what to do "Roll her on her side", finally picked up, transported - and she had no clue about any of it. She has no clue what she did or did not say to Brock or any other guy at that party. She can't remember because she blacked out. She blacked out because she had 3X the legal limit BAC. That is serious. That is life threatening. That is not - "Oops! My tolerance went down" tipsy. This girl drank A LOT.

She could have choked on her own vomit. She could have died from exposure that night. Do not underestimate just how bad this could have been for her. She could be brain damaged or in a coma or dead.

Or, you know, she could end up the victim of sexual assault. WTF is your point?! No, it's not a great idea to drink as much as she did. I don't think anyone else here would say otherwise. But the topic of this thread and this discussion is whether Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag. He is a convicted felon and a creep. It doesn't matter if he assaulted a choir girl or a prostitute, he's still a criminal. That's all that matters.

[Anonymous]

She primed herself with 4 shots of whiskey before her mother drove her and her sister to that college campus. Her mother thought she was fine. Her sister thought she was fine. The girl is/was a drinker. Hell, I partied in college and I still like alcohol. But could I drink 4 shots of whiskey and not show it? Never in a million years - especially around my mom and my sister.

Demean her? She did that when she drank herself black out drunk and passed out in the dirty pine needles behind a gross dumpster. What Brock did to Emily was gross and wrong. But what Emily did to herself was gross and wrong too. The girl drank herself almost comatose. She was passed out cold and unresponsive for 3 hours! She was assaulted, photographed by the police, young men standing around her wondering what to do "Roll her on her side", finally picked up, transported - and she had no clue about any of it. She has no clue what she did or did not say to Brock or any other guy at that party. She can't remember because she blacked out. She blacked out because she had 3X the legal limit BAC. That is serious. That is life threatening. That is not - "Oops! My tolerance went down" tipsy. This girl drank A LOT.

She could have choked on her own vomit. She could have died from exposure that night. Do not underestimate just how bad this could have been for her. She could be brain damaged or in a coma or dead.

So, is your point here that she drank so much that it is just her own darn fault that she was assaulted by this young man?

That she drank so much that lots of bad things could have happened to her so what's the big deal if some guy sexually assaulted her?

That she drank so much that she essentially brought this on herself and it is not the fault of the man that assaulted her?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
She primed herself with 4 shots of whiskey before her mother drove her and her sister to that college campus. Her mother thought she was fine. Her sister thought she was fine. The girl is/was a drinker. Hell, I partied in college and I still like alcohol. But could I drink 4 shots of whiskey and not show it? Never in a million years - especially around my mom and my sister.

Demean her? She did that when she drank herself black out drunk and passed out in the dirty pine needles behind a gross dumpster. What Brock did to Emily was gross and wrong. But what Emily did to herself was gross and wrong too. The girl drank herself almost comatose. She was passed out cold and unresponsive for 3 hours! She was assaulted, photographed by the police, young men standing around her wondering what to do "Roll her on her side", finally picked up, transported - and she had no clue about any of it. She has no clue what she did or did not say to Brock or any other guy at that party. She can't remember because she blacked out. She blacked out because she had 3X the legal limit BAC. That is serious. That is life threatening. That is not - "Oops! My tolerance went down" tipsy. This girl drank A LOT.

She could have choked on her own vomit. She could have died from exposure that night. Do not underestimate just how bad this could have been for her. She could be brain damaged or in a coma or dead.

Or, you know, she could end up the victim of sexual assault. WTF is your point?! No, it's not a great idea to drink as much as she did. I don't think anyone else here would say otherwise. But the topic of this thread and this discussion is whether Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag. He is a convicted felon and a creep. It doesn't matter if he assaulted a choir girl or a prostitute, he's still a criminal. That's all that matters.

Actually, Emily Doe's conduct and her own state of mind is very relevant. Brock is not in trouble because he jumped this woman, dragged her behind a dumpster and violently assaulted her. Brock is in trouble because Emily Doe passed out while they were fooling around and doesn't remember what she may or may not have consented to. And Brock is in trouble because two upstanding young men (the swedes) witnessed Brock 'dry humping' Emily after she was passed out.

So much of this situation is directly related to her blacking out and passing out - not remembering. If Emily had not blacked out/passed out she and Brock would have likely fooled around, adjusted their clothes, walked away from each other and that would have been it. Typical frat party stuff. Hangovers.

But Emily did pass out. And the accusation is that Brock should have known that she was about to pass out. I personally do not think that a kid like Brock had ever been around such a heavy drinker before. He didn't fully appreciate how drunk this woman was and he did not expect her to pass out suddenly like that. His judgement was clouded by inexperience and being drunk himself.

You say that it doesn't matter what Emily was doing herself that night. You seem to believe that once she crossed over the line into black out drinking that she ceased to be responsible for her own actions. It doesn't matter if she walked behind those dumpsters with the intention of fooling around with Brock or not. But I disagree. It does matter. It matters a lot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
She primed herself with 4 shots of whiskey before her mother drove her and her sister to that college campus. Her mother thought she was fine. Her sister thought she was fine. The girl is/was a drinker. Hell, I partied in college and I still like alcohol. But could I drink 4 shots of whiskey and not show it? Never in a million years - especially around my mom and my sister.

Demean her? She did that when she drank herself black out drunk and passed out in the dirty pine needles behind a gross dumpster. What Brock did to Emily was gross and wrong. But what Emily did to herself was gross and wrong too. The girl drank herself almost comatose. She was passed out cold and unresponsive for 3 hours! She was assaulted, photographed by the police, young men standing around her wondering what to do "Roll her on her side", finally picked up, transported - and she had no clue about any of it. She has no clue what she did or did not say to Brock or any other guy at that party. She can't remember because she blacked out. She blacked out because she had 3X the legal limit BAC. That is serious. That is life threatening. That is not - "Oops! My tolerance went down" tipsy. This girl drank A LOT.

She could have choked on her own vomit. She could have died from exposure that night. Do not underestimate just how bad this could have been for her. She could be brain damaged or in a coma or dead.

He claimed not to remember what happened. He only brought out the consensual fooling around story months later after he learned SHE didn't remember what happened. It is bizarre how dedicated you are to his credibility given the circumstances.

Or, you know, she could end up the victim of sexual assault. WTF is your point?! No, it's not a great idea to drink as much as she did. I don't think anyone else here would say otherwise. But the topic of this thread and this discussion is whether Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag. He is a convicted felon and a creep. It doesn't matter if he assaulted a choir girl or a prostitute, he's still a criminal. That's all that matters.

Actually, Emily Doe's conduct and her own state of mind is very relevant. Brock is not in trouble because he jumped this woman, dragged her behind a dumpster and violently assaulted her. Brock is in trouble because Emily Doe passed out while they were fooling around and doesn't remember what she may or may not have consented to. And Brock is in trouble because two upstanding young men (the swedes) witnessed Brock 'dry humping' Emily after she was passed out.

So much of this situation is directly related to her blacking out and passing out - not remembering. If Emily had not blacked out/passed out she and Brock would have likely fooled around, adjusted their clothes, walked away from each other and that would have been it. Typical frat party stuff. Hangovers.

But Emily did pass out. And the accusation is that Brock should have known that she was about to pass out. I personally do not think that a kid like Brock had ever been around such a heavy drinker before. He didn't fully appreciate how drunk this woman was and he did not expect her to pass out suddenly like that. His judgement was clouded by inexperience and being drunk himself.

You say that it doesn't matter what Emily was doing herself that night. You seem to believe that once she crossed over the line into black out drinking that she ceased to be responsible for her own actions. It doesn't matter if she walked behind those dumpsters with the intention of fooling around with Brock or not. But I disagree. It does matter. It matters a lot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
She primed herself with 4 shots of whiskey before her mother drove her and her sister to that college campus. Her mother thought she was fine. Her sister thought she was fine. The girl is/was a drinker. Hell, I partied in college and I still like alcohol. But could I drink 4 shots of whiskey and not show it? Never in a million years - especially around my mom and my sister.

Demean her? She did that when she drank herself black out drunk and passed out in the dirty pine needles behind a gross dumpster. What Brock did to Emily was gross and wrong. But what Emily did to herself was gross and wrong too. The girl drank herself almost comatose. She was passed out cold and unresponsive for 3 hours! She was assaulted, photographed by the police, young men standing around her wondering what to do "Roll her on her side", finally picked up, transported - and she had no clue about any of it. She has no clue what she did or did not say to Brock or any other guy at that party. She can't remember because she blacked out. She blacked out because she had 3X the legal limit BAC. That is serious. That is life threatening. That is not - "Oops! My tolerance went down" tipsy. This girl drank A LOT.

She could have choked on her own vomit. She could have died from exposure that night. Do not underestimate just how bad this could have been for her. She could be brain damaged or in a coma or dead.

Or, you know, she could end up the victim of sexual assault. WTF is your point?! No, it's not a great idea to drink as much as she did. I don't think anyone else here would say otherwise. But the topic of this thread and this discussion is whether Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag. He is a convicted felon and a creep. It doesn't matter if he assaulted a choir girl or a prostitute, he's still a criminal. That's all that matters.

Actually, Emily Doe's conduct and her own state of mind is very relevant. Brock is not in trouble because he jumped this woman, dragged her behind a dumpster and violently assaulted her. Brock is in trouble because Emily Doe passed out while they were fooling around and doesn't remember what she may or may not have consented to. And Brock is in trouble because two upstanding young men (the swedes) witnessed Brock 'dry humping' Emily after she was passed out.

So much of this situation is directly related to her blacking out and passing out - not remembering. If Emily had not blacked out/passed out she and Brock would have likely fooled around, adjusted their clothes, walked away from each other and that would have been it. Typical frat party stuff. Hangovers.

But Emily did pass out. And the accusation is that Brock should have known that she was about to pass out. I personally do not think that a kid like Brock had ever been around such a heavy drinker before. He didn't fully appreciate how drunk this woman was and he did not expect her to pass out suddenly like that. His judgement was clouded by inexperience and being drunk himself.

You say that it doesn't matter what Emily was doing herself that night. You seem to believe that once she crossed over the line into black out drinking that she ceased to be responsible for her own actions. It doesn't matter if she walked behind those dumpsters with the intention of fooling around with Brock or not. But I disagree. It does matter. It matters a lot.

He claimed not to remember what happened. He only brought out the consensual fooling around story months later after he learned she didn't remember. Your devotion to his credibility given these circumstances, his history of being kicked out of a party for unwanted advances, and having been caught in the act is bizarre.

[Anonymous]

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Or, you know, she could end up the victim of sexual assault. WTF is your point?! No, it's not a great idea to drink as much as she did. I don't think anyone else here would say otherwise. But the topic of this thread and this discussion is whether Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag. He is a convicted felon and a creep. It doesn't matter if he assaulted a choir girl or a prostitute, he's still a criminal. That's all that matters.

Sorry, thread police, this thread has been about both Turner and Doe from page 1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
She primed herself with 4 shots of whiskey before her mother drove her and her sister to that college campus. Her mother thought she was fine. Her sister thought she was fine. The girl is/was a drinker. Hell, I partied in college and I still like alcohol. But could I drink 4 shots of whiskey and not show it? Never in a million years - especially around my mom and my sister.

Demean her? She did that when she drank herself black out drunk and passed out in the dirty pine needles behind a gross dumpster. What Brock did to Emily was gross and wrong. But what Emily did to herself was gross and wrong too. The girl drank herself almost comatose. She was passed out cold and unresponsive for 3 hours! She was assaulted, photographed by the police, young men standing around her wondering what to do "Roll her on her side", finally picked up, transported - and she had no clue about any of it. She has no clue what she did or did not say to Brock or any other guy at that party. She can't remember because she blacked out. She blacked out because she had 3X the legal limit BAC. That is serious. That is life threatening. That is not - "Oops! My tolerance went down" tipsy. This girl drank A LOT.

She could have choked on her own vomit. She could have died from exposure that night. Do not underestimate just how bad this could have been for her. She could be brain damaged or in a coma or dead.

Or, you know, she could end up the victim of sexual assault. WTF is your point?! No, it's not a great idea to drink as much as she did. I don't think anyone else here would say otherwise. But the topic of this thread and this discussion is whether Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag. He is a convicted felon and a creep. It doesn't matter if he assaulted a choir girl or a prostitute, he's still a criminal. That's all that matters.

Actually, Emily Doe's conduct and her own state of mind is very relevant. Brock is not in trouble because he jumped this woman, dragged her behind a dumpster and violently assaulted her. Brock is in trouble because Emily Doe passed out while they were fooling around and doesn't remember what she may or may not have consented to. And Brock is in trouble because two upstanding young men (the swedes) witnessed Brock 'dry humping' Emily after she was passed out.

So much of this situation is directly related to her blacking out and passing out - not remembering. If Emily had not blacked out/passed out she and Brock would have likely fooled around, adjusted their clothes, walked away from each other and that would have been it. Typical frat party stuff. Hangovers.

But Emily did pass out. And the accusation is that Brock should have known that she was about to pass out. I personally do not think that a kid like Brock had ever been around such a heavy drinker before. He didn't fully appreciate how drunk this woman was and he did not expect her to pass out suddenly like that. His judgement was clouded by inexperience and being drunk himself.

You say that it doesn't matter what Emily was doing herself that night. You seem to believe that once she crossed over the line into black out drinking that she ceased to be responsible for her own actions. It doesn't matter if she walked behind those dumpsters with the intention of fooling around with Brock or not. But I disagree. It does matter. It matters a lot.

He claimed not to remember what happened. He only brought out the consensual fooling around story months later after he learned she didn't remember. Your devotion to his credibility given these circumstances, his history of being kicked out of a party for unwanted advances, and having been caught in the act is bizarre.

I have not seen any evidence indicating that there was consent given by Emily, and in fact, have only read about physical evidence from the hospital exam to the contrary. She was barely coherent in a voice mail that she left which leads one to wonder how coherent she could have been about giving consent, or even capable of giving consent.

Just because the defendant says something does not make it true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
She primed herself with 4 shots of whiskey before her mother drove her and her sister to that college campus. Her mother thought she was fine. Her sister thought she was fine. The girl is/was a drinker. Hell, I partied in college and I still like alcohol. But could I drink 4 shots of whiskey and not show it? Never in a million years - especially around my mom and my sister.

Demean her? She did that when she drank herself black out drunk and passed out in the dirty pine needles behind a gross dumpster. What Brock did to Emily was gross and wrong. But what Emily did to herself was gross and wrong too. The girl drank herself almost comatose. She was passed out cold and unresponsive for 3 hours! She was assaulted, photographed by the police, young men standing around her wondering what to do "Roll her on her side", finally picked up, transported - and she had no clue about any of it. She has no clue what she did or did not say to Brock or any other guy at that party. She can't remember because she blacked out. She blacked out because she had 3X the legal limit BAC. That is serious. That is life threatening. That is not - "Oops! My tolerance went down" tipsy. This girl drank A LOT.

She could have choked on her own vomit. She could have died from exposure that night. Do not underestimate just how bad this could have been for her. She could be brain damaged or in a coma or dead.

Or, you know, she could end up the victim of sexual assault. WTF is your point?! No, it's not a great idea to drink as much as she did. I don't think anyone else here would say otherwise. But the topic of this thread and this discussion is whether Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag. He is a convicted felon and a creep. It doesn't matter if he assaulted a choir girl or a prostitute, he's still a criminal. That's all that matters.

Actually, Emily Doe's conduct and her own state of mind is very relevant. Brock is not in trouble because he jumped this woman, dragged her behind a dumpster and violently assaulted her. Brock is in trouble because Emily Doe passed out while they were fooling around and doesn't remember what she may or may not have consented to. And Brock is in trouble because two upstanding young men (the swedes) witnessed Brock 'dry humping' Emily after she was passed out.

So much of this situation is directly related to her blacking out and passing out - not remembering. If Emily had not blacked out/passed out she and Brock would have likely fooled around, adjusted their clothes, walked away from each other and that would have been it. Typical frat party stuff. Hangovers.

But Emily did pass out. And the accusation is that Brock should have known that she was about to pass out. I personally do not think that a kid like Brock had ever been around such a heavy drinker before. He didn't fully appreciate how drunk this woman was and he did not expect her to pass out suddenly like that. His judgement was clouded by inexperience and being drunk himself.

You say that it doesn't matter what Emily was doing herself that night. You seem to believe that once she crossed over the line into black out drinking that she ceased to be responsible for her own actions. It doesn't matter if she walked behind those dumpsters with the intention of fooling around with Brock or not. But I disagree. It does matter. It matters a lot.

He claimed not to remember what happened. He only brought out the consensual fooling around story months later after he learned she didn't remember. Your devotion to his credibility given these circumstances, his history of being kicked out of a party for unwanted advances, and having been caught in the act is bizarre.

There is no evidence that Brock storm armed this girl or dragged her or jumped her. I have yet to hear the details of Brock being kicked out of a party for making unwanted advances - I agree that, depending on the details, that could indicate a significant pattern of behavior.

I also have not read anything about his story changing either.

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She primed herself with 4 shots of whiskey before her mother drove her and her sister to that college campus. Her mother thought she was fine. Her sister thought she was fine. The girl is/was a drinker. Hell, I partied in college and I still like alcohol. But could I drink 4 shots of whiskey and not show it? Never in a million years - especially around my mom and my sister.

Demean her? She did that when she drank herself black out drunk and passed out in the dirty pine needles behind a gross dumpster. What Brock did to Emily was gross and wrong. But what Emily did to herself was gross and wrong too. The girl drank herself almost comatose. She was passed out cold and unresponsive for 3 hours! She was assaulted, photographed by the police, young men standing around her wondering what to do "Roll her on her side", finally picked up, transported - and she had no clue about any of it. She has no clue what she did or did not say to Brock or any other guy at that party. She can't remember because she blacked out. She blacked out because she had 3X the legal limit BAC. That is serious. That is life threatening. That is not - "Oops! My tolerance went down" tipsy. This girl drank A LOT.

She could have choked on her own vomit. She could have died from exposure that night. Do not underestimate just how bad this could have been for her. She could be brain damaged or in a coma or dead.

Or, you know, she could end up the victim of sexual assault. WTF is your point?! No, it's not a great idea to drink as much as she did. I don't think anyone else here would say otherwise. But the topic of this thread and this discussion is whether Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag. He is a convicted felon and a creep. It doesn't matter if he assaulted a choir girl or a prostitute, he's still a criminal. That's all that matters.

Actually, Emily Doe's conduct and her own state of mind is very relevant. Brock is not in trouble because he jumped this woman, dragged her behind a dumpster and violently assaulted her. Brock is in trouble because Emily Doe passed out while they were fooling around and doesn't remember what she may or may not have consented to. And Brock is in trouble because two upstanding young men (the swedes) witnessed Brock 'dry humping' Emily after she was passed out.

So much of this situation is directly related to her blacking out and passing out - not remembering. If Emily had not blacked out/passed out she and Brock would have likely fooled around, adjusted their clothes, walked away from each other and that would have been it. Typical frat party stuff. Hangovers.

But Emily did pass out. And the accusation is that Brock should have known that she was about to pass out. I personally do not think that a kid like Brock had ever been around such a heavy drinker before. He didn't fully appreciate how drunk this woman was and he did not expect her to pass out suddenly like that. His judgement was clouded by inexperience and being drunk himself.

You say that it doesn't matter what Emily was doing herself that night. You seem to believe that once she crossed over the line into black out drinking that she ceased to be responsible for her own actions. It doesn't matter if she walked behind those dumpsters with the intention of fooling around with Brock or not. But I disagree. It does matter. It matters a lot.

He claimed not to remember what happened. He only brought out the consensual fooling around story months later after he learned she didn't remember. Your devotion to his credibility given these circumstances, his history of being kicked out of a party for unwanted advances, and having been caught in the act is bizarre.

There is no evidence that Brock storm armed this girl or dragged her or jumped her. I have yet to hear the details of Brock being kicked out of a party for making unwanted advances - I agree that, depending on the details, that could indicate a significant pattern of behavior.

I also have not read anything about his story changing either.

What-you want me to come read it to you? It's a matter of public record.