ECNL moving to school year part 2

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is on an olders top team of a top 20 nationally club. She's played on the same top club/team since she was 5.

There are 5 players currently on the team now that were on the team when they were 5 years old. There's currently 4-5 trapped players (one is out hurt). My daughter is a Sept birthday. Current roster is 22

What all this means is 17 of the players weren't with the team at 5 years old. It also means that 17-18 were born Jan 1st to Sept 1st. This means 23% are trapped players but Sept-Dec is 33% of a 12 month calendar. This means that theres 10% variance that can be attributed to RAE if you believe in that kind of thing. On a BY team!

The person that keeps posting about RAE is ridiculious. They're likely a professional victim that's latched onto an excuse that can be molded into whatever that want it to be. At some point thet need to step up and stop making excuses.

I like how the professional rae victim said that the biggest kids are always Jan birthdays. This can be true but it can also be false. Not every Jan birthday will be the biggest kid. I also like how the professional rae victim said that being on the top team means getting the best coachs and resources. This is not true, theres good 1st team coaches and really poor 1st team coaches. Also on a 2nd team players will get more opportunities to play multiple positions. This is important because positions players play when they're 5 most likely wont be what they play at 16. Then they bring up the confidence thing. Some of the most confident players Ive seen stayed on the 2nd team for a long time just to build up confidence.

The professional rae victim is mostly nonsense. Yes there are a large number of Jan birthdays. But this doesn't mean if your kid isnt doing private lessons and futsal 2-3 hours a week on top of regular practice that they cant be a top player. My daughter played soccer with the boys every lunch in elementary school. I've never seen a trapped player sept-dec birthday that puts in the extra work not get noticed and opportunities. I have seen parents talk about rae when their kid got cut. As a parent you humor them but everyone knew that the issue wasnt rae.

Yeah, makes sense that RAE doesn't seem to exist if you focus on girl soccer. There aren't nearly as many girls playing compared to boys and the boys are much more physical and growth differences are more stark. I haven't heard RAE used as an excuse for Q4 kids in BY but RAE will be a good excuse for kids who get demoted under SY that are Q1 and Q2 and quit the sport.

It's not an excuse. Some clubs, especially these elite ones, are solely focused on winning. Some pick size as a determining factor for boys or girls. See the other recent comment. And yes, sometimes you have several strong Sept-Dec players, even at BY, but these are the outliers, skewing the perspective of these parents. The chef's kiss, though, is these clubs are ruthless and will move these players to the appropriate age level to retain their age edge. All parents should prepare.

The REAL LIFE example that was provided said what you're trying to convince everyone of isn't true.

Actually they said it was 10% true but other than that it wasnt true.

I’m the 10% poster. You’re misunderstanding what I’m saying.

RAE is absolutely real. And it absolutely has an impact.

Just to be clear, I am not discounting experiences, I was just clarifying the actually data on RAE’s impact. 10% is a huge impact on opportunity at 9/10. I think people maybe don't realize it because they’re thinking in terms of “chance” opposed to impact.

Here is a good example of what a 10% impact looks like when measuring external data.

Pro-Agility Tests (5-10-5)
Make D1 soccer player 4.8s average
10% variance there is 5.28s average, guess what, they’re not making the team!

Jump Mat test:
D1 male: 18-20”
10% less 16.2-18”
Guess what, they’re not playing D1, maybe D2

Etc etc etc.

At older ages the impact RAE has is less. Mainly because the elite pool continues to narrow. So imagine that impact at 9, well that 10% makes the difference between top team and bottom team. Bottom team doesn’t make the ECNL squad, so they don’t go to speed school, they don’t take the privates, they don’t compete against bigger, faster kids that drive them to get faster and better. They don’t get exposed to the culture and environment to incentivize them to keep up with their peers (because their peers are at a different level). They don’t get the coaching on how to take a PK so the goalie can’t read their shot etc. etc. etc. it’s called accumulated advantage for a reason.

There is no way this data is correct for a male D1 player ... my daughter is 14 and has a better pro-agility time and jump mat test..by a good margin. D1 male players would be much quicker and could jump much higher.

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Stats like this can be useful but they leave out key elements that make any athlete successful. Not soccer, but just watch MNF and someone like JJ McCarthy. What is he exactly good at? Leading and winning, apparently. Tom Brady is another great example. He'd get cut if some of these athletic tests were weeders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid is on an olders top team of a top 20 nationally club. She's played on the same top club/team since she was 5.

There are 5 players currently on the team now that were on the team when they were 5 years old. There's currently 4-5 trapped players (one is out hurt). My daughter is a Sept birthday. Current roster is 22

What all this means is 17 of the players weren't with the team at 5 years old. It also means that 17-18 were born Jan 1st to Sept 1st. This means 23% are trapped players but Sept-Dec is 33% of a 12 month calendar. This means that theres 10% variance that can be attributed to RAE if you believe in that kind of thing. On a BY team!

The person that keeps posting about RAE is ridiculious. They're likely a professional victim that's latched onto an excuse that can be molded into whatever that want it to be. At some point thet need to step up and stop making excuses.

I like how the professional rae victim said that the biggest kids are always Jan birthdays. This can be true but it can also be false. Not every Jan birthday will be the biggest kid. I also like how the professional rae victim said that being on the top team means getting the best coachs and resources. This is not true, theres good 1st team coaches and really poor 1st team coaches. Also on a 2nd team players will get more opportunities to play multiple positions. This is important because positions players play when they're 5 most likely wont be what they play at 16. Then they bring up the confidence thing. Some of the most confident players Ive seen stayed on the 2nd team for a long time just to build up confidence.

The professional rae victim is mostly nonsense. Yes there are a large number of Jan birthdays. But this doesn't mean if your kid isnt doing private lessons and futsal 2-3 hours a week on top of regular practice that they cant be a top player. My daughter played soccer with the boys every lunch in elementary school. I've never seen a trapped player sept-dec birthday that puts in the extra work not get noticed and opportunities. I have seen parents talk about rae when their kid got cut. As a parent you humor them but everyone knew that the issue wasnt rae.

Depends on the club. Your experience is just 1 situation. I know of an instance at a club where one of the best age groups (which went to a national tournament last year) the kids were divided up based on size when going into 11v11. That's what the coach (who's a fair/strong coach, btw) told the parents, point blank, even though the year before some of the top goal scorers were smaller and more skilled. The coach said they needed the size to compete at the higher level, period, and made the case that the smaller players could shine at level 2. That 2nd team is still pretty damn good BUT is slowly falling apart as the tournaments and opportunities are just fewer. That's just the reality. I think some are holding out because of the switch to SY to get on a top team next year, but it seems pretty clear few of them, if any, will otherwise get a shot to get to the BY version of top team at this point at this club. That's RAE at work.

You're experience is just 1 situation. (Notice how I just copied what you wrote)

11v11 is a much different game than 9v9. The field is huge and players need to be able to kick harder/farther and run longer/faster to play at that level.

I highly doubt a coach would drop down goal scorers simply for size. I do bet that parents try to make size an issue if their kid is small. I also noticed that you wrote that super amazing top team players that got dropped to the second team are now struggling and falling appart. So youre saying the coaches assessment was right. Ive seen top team players get dropped down to the second team and literally score at will. When this happened the coach that cut them and the club were begging them to play on the top team again.

Actually—this DID happen. My kid by objective metrics was the number 2 scorer and top in assists on their team at U11, U12. Played maybe 25 percent of game. In one game, scored 3 goals in 15 minutes (they won 4:1) and still only played that 15 minutes. I will never forget that game. Totally ignored in practices except when the coach would test their strength against the biggest kid to show how weak they were. And that is how talented young kids lose confidence, making it harder to move forward. 3 of the biggest kids on that team are now on top 10 ECNL team at U15. They did switch clubs eventually but to a 2nd team—and was told specifically it was because of size. And now that my kid is bigger, the lack of coaching and playing time means they have to work twice as hard if they want to play college soccer. I realize this is an N of 1. But magnify this across youth sports. That’s the point.

I don't believe you. More likely what happened is your kid isnt that good or dorsnt have a good work habits. They happened to have one good game and you're now using rae as a super excuse multiple years later.

The reason Im saying this is because logically it doesnt make sense to not play players that can score. Also ive seen players get moved down to the second team absolutely tear things up at that level . When this happens they get bumped back up to the top teams.

Theres also a chance that all your rae advocacy is whats holding your kid back if you're voicing it to other parents. If coaches tag you as a problem parent it can affect your kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid is on an olders top team of a top 20 nationally club. She's played on the same top club/team since she was 5.

There are 5 players currently on the team now that were on the team when they were 5 years old. There's currently 4-5 trapped players (one is out hurt). My daughter is a Sept birthday. Current roster is 22

What all this means is 17 of the players weren't with the team at 5 years old. It also means that 17-18 were born Jan 1st to Sept 1st. This means 23% are trapped players but Sept-Dec is 33% of a 12 month calendar. This means that theres 10% variance that can be attributed to RAE if you believe in that kind of thing. On a BY team!

The person that keeps posting about RAE is ridiculious. They're likely a professional victim that's latched onto an excuse that can be molded into whatever that want it to be. At some point thet need to step up and stop making excuses.

I like how the professional rae victim said that the biggest kids are always Jan birthdays. This can be true but it can also be false. Not every Jan birthday will be the biggest kid. I also like how the professional rae victim said that being on the top team means getting the best coachs and resources. This is not true, theres good 1st team coaches and really poor 1st team coaches. Also on a 2nd team players will get more opportunities to play multiple positions. This is important because positions players play when they're 5 most likely wont be what they play at 16. Then they bring up the confidence thing. Some of the most confident players Ive seen stayed on the 2nd team for a long time just to build up confidence.

The professional rae victim is mostly nonsense. Yes there are a large number of Jan birthdays. But this doesn't mean if your kid isnt doing private lessons and futsal 2-3 hours a week on top of regular practice that they cant be a top player. My daughter played soccer with the boys every lunch in elementary school. I've never seen a trapped player sept-dec birthday that puts in the extra work not get noticed and opportunities. I have seen parents talk about rae when their kid got cut. As a parent you humor them but everyone knew that the issue wasnt rae.

Depends on the club. Your experience is just 1 situation. I know of an instance at a club where one of the best age groups (which went to a national tournament last year) the kids were divided up based on size when going into 11v11. That's what the coach (who's a fair/strong coach, btw) told the parents, point blank, even though the year before some of the top goal scorers were smaller and more skilled. The coach said they needed the size to compete at the higher level, period, and made the case that the smaller players could shine at level 2. That 2nd team is still pretty damn good BUT is slowly falling apart as the tournaments and opportunities are just fewer. That's just the reality. I think some are holding out because of the switch to SY to get on a top team next year, but it seems pretty clear few of them, if any, will otherwise get a shot to get to the BY version of top team at this point at this club. That's RAE at work.

You're experience is just 1 situation. (Notice how I just copied what you wrote)

11v11 is a much different game than 9v9. The field is huge and players need to be able to kick harder/farther and run longer/faster to play at that level.

I highly doubt a coach would drop down goal scorers simply for size. I do bet that parents try to make size an issue if their kid is small. I also noticed that you wrote that super amazing top team players that got dropped to the second team are now struggling and falling appart. So youre saying the coaches assessment was right. Ive seen top team players get dropped down to the second team and literally score at will. When this happened the coach that cut them and the club were begging them to play on the top team again.

Actually—this DID happen. My kid by objective metrics was the number 2 scorer and top in assists on their team at U11, U12. Played maybe 25 percent of game. In one game, scored 3 goals in 15 minutes (they won 4:1) and still only played that 15 minutes. I will never forget that game. Totally ignored in practices except when the coach would test their strength against the biggest kid to show how weak they were. And that is how talented young kids lose confidence, making it harder to move forward. 3 of the biggest kids on that team are now on top 10 ECNL team at U15. They did switch clubs eventually but to a 2nd team—and was told specifically it was because of size. And now that my kid is bigger, the lack of coaching and playing time means they have to work twice as hard if they want to play college soccer. I realize this is an N of 1. But magnify this across youth sports. That’s the point.

I don't believe you. More likely what happened is your kid isnt that good or dorsnt have a good work habits. They happened to have one good game and you're now using rae as a super excuse multiple years later.

The reason Im saying this is because logically it doesnt make sense to not play players that can score. Also ive seen players get moved down to the second team absolutely tear things up at that level . When this happens they get bumped back up to the top teams.

Theres also a chance that all your rae advocacy is whats holding your kid back if you're voicing it to other parents. If coaches tag you as a problem parent it can affect your kid.

Could be the opposite, in terms of parents. Some parents of good players don't speak up enough while pushy parents of kids who are above average are super toxic. They have an opinion about everything and are never wrong. They are the club hoppers, tho, who are never satisfied, even when they get to a top club/team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid is on an olders top team of a top 20 nationally club. She's played on the same top club/team since she was 5.

There are 5 players currently on the team now that were on the team when they were 5 years old. There's currently 4-5 trapped players (one is out hurt). My daughter is a Sept birthday. Current roster is 22

What all this means is 17 of the players weren't with the team at 5 years old. It also means that 17-18 were born Jan 1st to Sept 1st. This means 23% are trapped players but Sept-Dec is 33% of a 12 month calendar. This means that theres 10% variance that can be attributed to RAE if you believe in that kind of thing. On a BY team!

The person that keeps posting about RAE is ridiculious. They're likely a professional victim that's latched onto an excuse that can be molded into whatever that want it to be. At some point thet need to step up and stop making excuses.

I like how the professional rae victim said that the biggest kids are always Jan birthdays. This can be true but it can also be false. Not every Jan birthday will be the biggest kid. I also like how the professional rae victim said that being on the top team means getting the best coachs and resources. This is not true, theres good 1st team coaches and really poor 1st team coaches. Also on a 2nd team players will get more opportunities to play multiple positions. This is important because positions players play when they're 5 most likely wont be what they play at 16. Then they bring up the confidence thing. Some of the most confident players Ive seen stayed on the 2nd team for a long time just to build up confidence.

The professional rae victim is mostly nonsense. Yes there are a large number of Jan birthdays. But this doesn't mean if your kid isnt doing private lessons and futsal 2-3 hours a week on top of regular practice that they cant be a top player. My daughter played soccer with the boys every lunch in elementary school. I've never seen a trapped player sept-dec birthday that puts in the extra work not get noticed and opportunities. I have seen parents talk about rae when their kid got cut. As a parent you humor them but everyone knew that the issue wasnt rae.

Depends on the club. Your experience is just 1 situation. I know of an instance at a club where one of the best age groups (which went to a national tournament last year) the kids were divided up based on size when going into 11v11. That's what the coach (who's a fair/strong coach, btw) told the parents, point blank, even though the year before some of the top goal scorers were smaller and more skilled. The coach said they needed the size to compete at the higher level, period, and made the case that the smaller players could shine at level 2. That 2nd team is still pretty damn good BUT is slowly falling apart as the tournaments and opportunities are just fewer. That's just the reality. I think some are holding out because of the switch to SY to get on a top team next year, but it seems pretty clear few of them, if any, will otherwise get a shot to get to the BY version of top team at this point at this club. That's RAE at work.

You're experience is just 1 situation. (Notice how I just copied what you wrote)

11v11 is a much different game than 9v9. The field is huge and players need to be able to kick harder/farther and run longer/faster to play at that level.

I highly doubt a coach would drop down goal scorers simply for size. I do bet that parents try to make size an issue if their kid is small. I also noticed that you wrote that super amazing top team players that got dropped to the second team are now struggling and falling appart. So youre saying the coaches assessment was right. Ive seen top team players get dropped down to the second team and literally score at will. When this happened the coach that cut them and the club were begging them to play on the top team again.

Actually—this DID happen. My kid by objective metrics was the number 2 scorer and top in assists on their team at U11, U12. Played maybe 25 percent of game. In one game, scored 3 goals in 15 minutes (they won 4:1) and still only played that 15 minutes. I will never forget that game. Totally ignored in practices except when the coach would test their strength against the biggest kid to show how weak they were. And that is how talented young kids lose confidence, making it harder to move forward. 3 of the biggest kids on that team are now on top 10 ECNL team at U15. They did switch clubs eventually but to a 2nd team—and was told specifically it was because of size. And now that my kid is bigger, the lack of coaching and playing time means they have to work twice as hard if they want to play college soccer. I realize this is an N of 1. But magnify this across youth sports. That’s the point.

I don't believe you. More likely what happened is your kid isnt that good or dorsnt have a good work habits. They happened to have one good game and you're now using rae as a super excuse multiple years later.

The reason Im saying this is because logically it doesnt make sense to not play players that can score. Also ive seen players get moved down to the second team absolutely tear things up at that level . When this happens they get bumped back up to the top teams.

Theres also a chance that all your rae advocacy is whats holding your kid back if you're voicing it to other parents. If coaches tag you as a problem parent it can affect your kid.

I've met multiple crazy loon parents when it comes to their kid. When players are younger and natural talent or gifts like size or speed define starts is when its the worst. You get one extreme where parents scream at their kid in an effort to make them play better. But the more annoying extremes are the snowplow parents that play the social game to try and get their kid ahead or to control the team or coach. Its amazing what some parents think their kid deserves. As players get older natural gifts and size + speed still exist but soccer begins to become a grind so work rate which includes things players do outside of traditional practices becomes a variable in who plays.

I'd put the rae parent that keeps posting into the snowplow group. People likely got annoyed by their nonsense and now its affected their kid. They simply cant accept that other parents players work rate is how they made or stay on the top team. So they've constructed an everything is raes fault narative.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid is on an olders top team of a top 20 nationally club. She's played on the same top club/team since she was 5.

There are 5 players currently on the team now that were on the team when they were 5 years old. There's currently 4-5 trapped players (one is out hurt). My daughter is a Sept birthday. Current roster is 22

What all this means is 17 of the players weren't with the team at 5 years old. It also means that 17-18 were born Jan 1st to Sept 1st. This means 23% are trapped players but Sept-Dec is 33% of a 12 month calendar. This means that theres 10% variance that can be attributed to RAE if you believe in that kind of thing. On a BY team!

The person that keeps posting about RAE is ridiculious. They're likely a professional victim that's latched onto an excuse that can be molded into whatever that want it to be. At some point thet need to step up and stop making excuses.

I like how the professional rae victim said that the biggest kids are always Jan birthdays. This can be true but it can also be false. Not every Jan birthday will be the biggest kid. I also like how the professional rae victim said that being on the top team means getting the best coachs and resources. This is not true, theres good 1st team coaches and really poor 1st team coaches. Also on a 2nd team players will get more opportunities to play multiple positions. This is important because positions players play when they're 5 most likely wont be what they play at 16. Then they bring up the confidence thing. Some of the most confident players Ive seen stayed on the 2nd team for a long time just to build up confidence.

The professional rae victim is mostly nonsense. Yes there are a large number of Jan birthdays. But this doesn't mean if your kid isnt doing private lessons and futsal 2-3 hours a week on top of regular practice that they cant be a top player. My daughter played soccer with the boys every lunch in elementary school. I've never seen a trapped player sept-dec birthday that puts in the extra work not get noticed and opportunities. I have seen parents talk about rae when their kid got cut. As a parent you humor them but everyone knew that the issue wasnt rae.

Depends on the club. Your experience is just 1 situation. I know of an instance at a club where one of the best age groups (which went to a national tournament last year) the kids were divided up based on size when going into 11v11. That's what the coach (who's a fair/strong coach, btw) told the parents, point blank, even though the year before some of the top goal scorers were smaller and more skilled. The coach said they needed the size to compete at the higher level, period, and made the case that the smaller players could shine at level 2. That 2nd team is still pretty damn good BUT is slowly falling apart as the tournaments and opportunities are just fewer. That's just the reality. I think some are holding out because of the switch to SY to get on a top team next year, but it seems pretty clear few of them, if any, will otherwise get a shot to get to the BY version of top team at this point at this club. That's RAE at work.

You're experience is just 1 situation. (Notice how I just copied what you wrote)

11v11 is a much different game than 9v9. The field is huge and players need to be able to kick harder/farther and run longer/faster to play at that level.

I highly doubt a coach would drop down goal scorers simply for size. I do bet that parents try to make size an issue if their kid is small. I also noticed that you wrote that super amazing top team players that got dropped to the second team are now struggling and falling appart. So youre saying the coaches assessment was right. Ive seen top team players get dropped down to the second team and literally score at will. When this happened the coach that cut them and the club were begging them to play on the top team again.

Actually—this DID happen. My kid by objective metrics was the number 2 scorer and top in assists on their team at U11, U12. Played maybe 25 percent of game. In one game, scored 3 goals in 15 minutes (they won 4:1) and still only played that 15 minutes. I will never forget that game. Totally ignored in practices except when the coach would test their strength against the biggest kid to show how weak they were. And that is how talented young kids lose confidence, making it harder to move forward. 3 of the biggest kids on that team are now on top 10 ECNL team at U15. They did switch clubs eventually but to a 2nd team—and was told specifically it was because of size. And now that my kid is bigger, the lack of coaching and playing time means they have to work twice as hard if they want to play college soccer. I realize this is an N of 1. But magnify this across youth sports. That’s the point.

I don't believe you. More likely what happened is your kid isnt that good or dorsnt have a good work habits. They happened to have one good game and you're now using rae as a super excuse multiple years later.

The reason Im saying this is because logically it doesnt make sense to not play players that can score. Also ive seen players get moved down to the second team absolutely tear things up at that level . When this happens they get bumped back up to the top teams.

Theres also a chance that all your rae advocacy is whats holding your kid back if you're voicing it to other parents. If coaches tag you as a problem parent it can affect your kid.

I've met multiple crazy loon parents when it comes to their kid. When players are younger and natural talent or gifts like size or speed define starts is when its the worst. You get one extreme where parents scream at their kid in an effort to make them play better. But the more annoying extremes are the snowplow parents that play the social game to try and get their kid ahead or to control the team or coach. Its amazing what some parents think their kid deserves. As players get older natural gifts and size + speed still exist but soccer begins to become a grind so work rate which includes things players do outside of traditional practices becomes a variable in who plays.

I'd put the rae parent that keeps posting into the snowplow group. People likely got annoyed by their nonsense and now its affected their kid. They simply cant accept that other parents players work rate is how they made or stay on the top team. So they've constructed an everything is raes fault narative.

OMG, those ones who take to the internet to complain who think they're right about everything. That's the worst.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is on an olders top team of a top 20 nationally club. She's played on the same top club/team since she was 5.

There are 5 players currently on the team now that were on the team when they were 5 years old. There's currently 4-5 trapped players (one is out hurt). My daughter is a Sept birthday. Current roster is 22

What all this means is 17 of the players weren't with the team at 5 years old. It also means that 17-18 were born Jan 1st to Sept 1st. This means 23% are trapped players but Sept-Dec is 33% of a 12 month calendar. This means that theres 10% variance that can be attributed to RAE if you believe in that kind of thing. On a BY team!

The person that keeps posting about RAE is ridiculious. They're likely a professional victim that's latched onto an excuse that can be molded into whatever that want it to be. At some point thet need to step up and stop making excuses.

I like how the professional rae victim said that the biggest kids are always Jan birthdays. This can be true but it can also be false. Not every Jan birthday will be the biggest kid. I also like how the professional rae victim said that being on the top team means getting the best coachs and resources. This is not true, theres good 1st team coaches and really poor 1st team coaches. Also on a 2nd team players will get more opportunities to play multiple positions. This is important because positions players play when they're 5 most likely wont be what they play at 16. Then they bring up the confidence thing. Some of the most confident players Ive seen stayed on the 2nd team for a long time just to build up confidence.

The professional rae victim is mostly nonsense. Yes there are a large number of Jan birthdays. But this doesn't mean if your kid isnt doing private lessons and futsal 2-3 hours a week on top of regular practice that they cant be a top player. My daughter played soccer with the boys every lunch in elementary school. I've never seen a trapped player sept-dec birthday that puts in the extra work not get noticed and opportunities. I have seen parents talk about rae when their kid got cut. As a parent you humor them but everyone knew that the issue wasnt rae.

Depends on the club. Your experience is just 1 situation. I know of an instance at a club where one of the best age groups (which went to a national tournament last year) the kids were divided up based on size when going into 11v11. That's what the coach (who's a fair/strong coach, btw) told the parents, point blank, even though the year before some of the top goal scorers were smaller and more skilled. The coach said they needed the size to compete at the higher level, period, and made the case that the smaller players could shine at level 2. That 2nd team is still pretty damn good BUT is slowly falling apart as the tournaments and opportunities are just fewer. That's just the reality. I think some are holding out because of the switch to SY to get on a top team next year, but it seems pretty clear few of them, if any, will otherwise get a shot to get to the BY version of top team at this point at this club. That's RAE at work.

You're experience is just 1 situation. (Notice how I just copied what you wrote)

11v11 is a much different game than 9v9. The field is huge and players need to be able to kick harder/farther and run longer/faster to play at that level.

I highly doubt a coach would drop down goal scorers simply for size. I do bet that parents try to make size an issue if their kid is small. I also noticed that you wrote that super amazing top team players that got dropped to the second team are now struggling and falling appart. So youre saying the coaches assessment was right. Ive seen top team players get dropped down to the second team and literally score at will. When this happened the coach that cut them and the club were begging them to play on the top team again.

Actually—this DID happen. My kid by objective metrics was the number 2 scorer and top in assists on their team at U11, U12. Played maybe 25 percent of game. In one game, scored 3 goals in 15 minutes (they won 4:1) and still only played that 15 minutes. I will never forget that game. Totally ignored in practices except when the coach would test their strength against the biggest kid to show how weak they were. And that is how talented young kids lose confidence, making it harder to move forward. 3 of the biggest kids on that team are now on top 10 ECNL team at U15. They did switch clubs eventually but to a 2nd team—and was told specifically it was because of size. And now that my kid is bigger, the lack of coaching and playing time means they have to work twice as hard if they want to play college soccer. I realize this is an N of 1. But magnify this across youth sports. That’s the point.

I don't believe you. More likely what happened is your kid isnt that good or dorsnt have a good work habits. They happened to have one good game and you're now using rae as a super excuse multiple years later.

The reason Im saying this is because logically it doesnt make sense to not play players that can score. Also ive seen players get moved down to the second team absolutely tear things up at that level . When this happens they get bumped back up to the top teams.

Theres also a chance that all your rae advocacy is whats holding your kid back if you're voicing it to other parents. If coaches tag you as a problem parent it can affect your kid.

I've met multiple crazy loon parents when it comes to their kid. When players are younger and natural talent or gifts like size or speed define starts is when its the worst. You get one extreme where parents scream at their kid in an effort to make them play better. But the more annoying extremes are the snowplow parents that play the social game to try and get their kid ahead or to control the team or coach. Its amazing what some parents think their kid deserves. As players get older natural gifts and size + speed still exist but soccer begins to become a grind so work rate which includes things players do outside of traditional practices becomes a variable in who plays.

I'd put the rae parent that keeps posting into the snowplow group. People likely got annoyed by their nonsense and now its affected their kid. They simply cant accept that other parents players work rate is how they made or stay on the top team. So they've constructed an everything is raes fault narative.

OMG, those ones who take to the internet to complain who think they're right about everything. That's the worst.

Nope the RAE excuse makers are the worst.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is on an olders top team of a top 20 nationally club. She's played on the same top club/team since she was 5.

There are 5 players currently on the team now that were on the team when they were 5 years old. There's currently 4-5 trapped players (one is out hurt). My daughter is a Sept birthday. Current roster is 22

What all this means is 17 of the players weren't with the team at 5 years old. It also means that 17-18 were born Jan 1st to Sept 1st. This means 23% are trapped players but Sept-Dec is 33% of a 12 month calendar. This means that theres 10% variance that can be attributed to RAE if you believe in that kind of thing. On a BY team!

The person that keeps posting about RAE is ridiculious. They're likely a professional victim that's latched onto an excuse that can be molded into whatever that want it to be. At some point thet need to step up and stop making excuses.

I like how the professional rae victim said that the biggest kids are always Jan birthdays. This can be true but it can also be false. Not every Jan birthday will be the biggest kid. I also like how the professional rae victim said that being on the top team means getting the best coachs and resources. This is not true, theres good 1st team coaches and really poor 1st team coaches. Also on a 2nd team players will get more opportunities to play multiple positions. This is important because positions players play when they're 5 most likely wont be what they play at 16. Then they bring up the confidence thing. Some of the most confident players Ive seen stayed on the 2nd team for a long time just to build up confidence.

The professional rae victim is mostly nonsense. Yes there are a large number of Jan birthdays. But this doesn't mean if your kid isnt doing private lessons and futsal 2-3 hours a week on top of regular practice that they cant be a top player. My daughter played soccer with the boys every lunch in elementary school. I've never seen a trapped player sept-dec birthday that puts in the extra work not get noticed and opportunities. I have seen parents talk about rae when their kid got cut. As a parent you humor them but everyone knew that the issue wasnt rae.

Depends on the club. Your experience is just 1 situation. I know of an instance at a club where one of the best age groups (which went to a national tournament last year) the kids were divided up based on size when going into 11v11. That's what the coach (who's a fair/strong coach, btw) told the parents, point blank, even though the year before some of the top goal scorers were smaller and more skilled. The coach said they needed the size to compete at the higher level, period, and made the case that the smaller players could shine at level 2. That 2nd team is still pretty damn good BUT is slowly falling apart as the tournaments and opportunities are just fewer. That's just the reality. I think some are holding out because of the switch to SY to get on a top team next year, but it seems pretty clear few of them, if any, will otherwise get a shot to get to the BY version of top team at this point at this club. That's RAE at work.

You're experience is just 1 situation. (Notice how I just copied what you wrote)

11v11 is a much different game than 9v9. The field is huge and players need to be able to kick harder/farther and run longer/faster to play at that level.

I highly doubt a coach would drop down goal scorers simply for size. I do bet that parents try to make size an issue if their kid is small. I also noticed that you wrote that super amazing top team players that got dropped to the second team are now struggling and falling appart. So youre saying the coaches assessment was right. Ive seen top team players get dropped down to the second team and literally score at will. When this happened the coach that cut them and the club were begging them to play on the top team again.

Actually—this DID happen. My kid by objective metrics was the number 2 scorer and top in assists on their team at U11, U12. Played maybe 25 percent of game. In one game, scored 3 goals in 15 minutes (they won 4:1) and still only played that 15 minutes. I will never forget that game. Totally ignored in practices except when the coach would test their strength against the biggest kid to show how weak they were. And that is how talented young kids lose confidence, making it harder to move forward. 3 of the biggest kids on that team are now on top 10 ECNL team at U15. They did switch clubs eventually but to a 2nd team—and was told specifically it was because of size. And now that my kid is bigger, the lack of coaching and playing time means they have to work twice as hard if they want to play college soccer. I realize this is an N of 1. But magnify this across youth sports. That’s the point.

I don't believe you. More likely what happened is your kid isnt that good or dorsnt have a good work habits. They happened to have one good game and you're now using rae as a super excuse multiple years later.

The reason Im saying this is because logically it doesnt make sense to not play players that can score. Also ive seen players get moved down to the second team absolutely tear things up at that level . When this happens they get bumped back up to the top teams.

Theres also a chance that all your rae advocacy is whats holding your kid back if you're voicing it to other parents. If coaches tag you as a problem parent it can affect your kid.

I've met multiple crazy loon parents when it comes to their kid. When players are younger and natural talent or gifts like size or speed define starts is when its the worst. You get one extreme where parents scream at their kid in an effort to make them play better. But the more annoying extremes are the snowplow parents that play the social game to try and get their kid ahead or to control the team or coach. Its amazing what some parents think their kid deserves. As players get older natural gifts and size + speed still exist but soccer begins to become a grind so work rate which includes things players do outside of traditional practices becomes a variable in who plays.

I'd put the rae parent that keeps posting into the snowplow group. People likely got annoyed by their nonsense and now its affected their kid. They simply cant accept that other parents players work rate is how they made or stay on the top team. So they've constructed an everything is raes fault narative.

OMG, those ones who take to the internet to complain who think they're right about everything. That's the worst.

Nope the RAE excuse makers are the worst.

We need closed minded people to believe hard work and talent rules but smart people figure out the importance of luck, https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/economy/making-sense/analysis-if-youre-rich-youre-more-lucky-than-smart-and-theres-math-to-prove-it

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is on an olders top team of a top 20 nationally club. She's played on the same top club/team since she was 5.

There are 5 players currently on the team now that were on the team when they were 5 years old. There's currently 4-5 trapped players (one is out hurt). My daughter is a Sept birthday. Current roster is 22

What all this means is 17 of the players weren't with the team at 5 years old. It also means that 17-18 were born Jan 1st to Sept 1st. This means 23% are trapped players but Sept-Dec is 33% of a 12 month calendar. This means that theres 10% variance that can be attributed to RAE if you believe in that kind of thing. On a BY team!

The person that keeps posting about RAE is ridiculious. They're likely a professional victim that's latched onto an excuse that can be molded into whatever that want it to be. At some point thet need to step up and stop making excuses.

I like how the professional rae victim said that the biggest kids are always Jan birthdays. This can be true but it can also be false. Not every Jan birthday will be the biggest kid. I also like how the professional rae victim said that being on the top team means getting the best coachs and resources. This is not true, theres good 1st team coaches and really poor 1st team coaches. Also on a 2nd team players will get more opportunities to play multiple positions. This is important because positions players play when they're 5 most likely wont be what they play at 16. Then they bring up the confidence thing. Some of the most confident players Ive seen stayed on the 2nd team for a long time just to build up confidence.

The professional rae victim is mostly nonsense. Yes there are a large number of Jan birthdays. But this doesn't mean if your kid isnt doing private lessons and futsal 2-3 hours a week on top of regular practice that they cant be a top player. My daughter played soccer with the boys every lunch in elementary school. I've never seen a trapped player sept-dec birthday that puts in the extra work not get noticed and opportunities. I have seen parents talk about rae when their kid got cut. As a parent you humor them but everyone knew that the issue wasnt rae.

Depends on the club. Your experience is just 1 situation. I know of an instance at a club where one of the best age groups (which went to a national tournament last year) the kids were divided up based on size when going into 11v11. That's what the coach (who's a fair/strong coach, btw) told the parents, point blank, even though the year before some of the top goal scorers were smaller and more skilled. The coach said they needed the size to compete at the higher level, period, and made the case that the smaller players could shine at level 2. That 2nd team is still pretty damn good BUT is slowly falling apart as the tournaments and opportunities are just fewer. That's just the reality. I think some are holding out because of the switch to SY to get on a top team next year, but it seems pretty clear few of them, if any, will otherwise get a shot to get to the BY version of top team at this point at this club. That's RAE at work.

You're experience is just 1 situation. (Notice how I just copied what you wrote)

11v11 is a much different game than 9v9. The field is huge and players need to be able to kick harder/farther and run longer/faster to play at that level.

I highly doubt a coach would drop down goal scorers simply for size. I do bet that parents try to make size an issue if their kid is small. I also noticed that you wrote that super amazing top team players that got dropped to the second team are now struggling and falling appart. So youre saying the coaches assessment was right. Ive seen top team players get dropped down to the second team and literally score at will. When this happened the coach that cut them and the club were begging them to play on the top team again.

Actually—this DID happen. My kid by objective metrics was the number 2 scorer and top in assists on their team at U11, U12. Played maybe 25 percent of game. In one game, scored 3 goals in 15 minutes (they won 4:1) and still only played that 15 minutes. I will never forget that game. Totally ignored in practices except when the coach would test their strength against the biggest kid to show how weak they were. And that is how talented young kids lose confidence, making it harder to move forward. 3 of the biggest kids on that team are now on top 10 ECNL team at U15. They did switch clubs eventually but to a 2nd team—and was told specifically it was because of size. And now that my kid is bigger, the lack of coaching and playing time means they have to work twice as hard if they want to play college soccer. I realize this is an N of 1. But magnify this across youth sports. That’s the point.

I don't believe you. More likely what happened is your kid isnt that good or dorsnt have a good work habits. They happened to have one good game and you're now using rae as a super excuse multiple years later.

The reason Im saying this is because logically it doesnt make sense to not play players that can score. Also ive seen players get moved down to the second team absolutely tear things up at that level . When this happens they get bumped back up to the top teams.

Theres also a chance that all your rae advocacy is whats holding your kid back if you're voicing it to other parents. If coaches tag you as a problem parent it can affect your kid.

I've met multiple crazy loon parents when it comes to their kid. When players are younger and natural talent or gifts like size or speed define starts is when its the worst. You get one extreme where parents scream at their kid in an effort to make them play better. But the more annoying extremes are the snowplow parents that play the social game to try and get their kid ahead or to control the team or coach. Its amazing what some parents think their kid deserves. As players get older natural gifts and size + speed still exist but soccer begins to become a grind so work rate which includes things players do outside of traditional practices becomes a variable in who plays.

I'd put the rae parent that keeps posting into the snowplow group. People likely got annoyed by their nonsense and now its affected their kid. They simply cant accept that other parents players work rate is how they made or stay on the top team. So they've constructed an everything is raes fault narative.

OMG, those ones who take to the internet to complain who think they're right about everything. That's the worst.

Nope the RAE excuse makers are the worst.

We need closed minded people to believe hard work and talent rules but smart people figure out the importance of luck, https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/economy/making-sense/analysis-if-youre-rich-youre-more-lucky-than-smart-and-theres-math-to-prove-it

So now you're a victim because you're not rich and being rich is all about luck (just like when you were born and rae).

I had you tagged correctly from the start. Always someone else's fault + you're always the victim.

100% chance your liberal and some kind of special victim classification.

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Funny how hard work makes people more lucky.........

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It’s easy to see that RAE is real you can do that by looking at any random ECNL age group U13,15,17 on the website and see pattern of teams that are heavily Jan to July players. Which is what RAE does it favors kids from the earlier months of the selected year. This is why US soccer went with BY so the youth national teams would be more competitive because it used to be heavily Aug-Nov players.

But ultimately your kid is either working hard enough and do long enough extra training to the point they can over come that and still be an effective player or they or not. Not saying anyone’s kids aren’t hard workers but they must not be doing enough required or just haven’t hit puberty yet to where this will matter.

Age groups are changing next year this will all get sorted out soon enough. Jan to July kids are going to have to work a little harder on average than they are used to when this happens. Because older kids will be added to the group which they are not used to.

Just tell them to work as hard as they can as a parent who has one kid playing in college and another committed try not to take it more serious than your kids or it will just drive you crazy.

Good luck!

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Has anyone confirmed if GA is changing to 8/1?

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone confirmed if GA is changing to 8/1?

Only that they are moving to age group but not a confirmed date as far as I am aware.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone confirmed if GA is changing to 8/1?

Only that they are moving to age group but not a confirmed date as far as I am aware.

100% not true.

GA hasn't said anything about SY.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s easy to see that RAE is real you can do that by looking at any random ECNL age group U13,15,17 on the website and see pattern of teams that are heavily Jan to July players. Which is what RAE does it favors kids from the earlier months of the selected year. This is why US soccer went with BY so the youth national teams would be more competitive because it used to be heavily Aug-Nov players.

But ultimately your kid is either working hard enough and do long enough extra training to the point they can over come that and still be an effective player or they or not. Not saying anyone’s kids aren’t hard workers but they must not be doing enough required or just haven’t hit puberty yet to where this will matter.

Age groups are changing next year this will all get sorted out soon enough. Jan to July kids are going to have to work a little harder on average than they are used to when this happens. Because older kids will be added to the group which they are not used to.

Just tell them to work as hard as they can as a parent who has one kid playing in college and another committed try not to take it more serious than your kids or it will just drive you crazy.

Good luck!

Good perspective. Thanks.