Who did you think killed JonBenet?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the brother did it and that he had been abusing his sister prior to killing her--and I think the parent were aware of this and were trying to get him to stop.

I think he killed her accidentally in a dispute and the parents were so distraught (trying to protect him and themselves because they were aware of the abuse) that they staged a "weird" crime scene and got lucky because the police were inept.

I think so too. Brother had/has issues.

What issues? Where is any proof of that?

[Anonymous]

Where did the male DNA in the underwear come from? It was not the brother’s or father’s. The top detective on the case always said intruder. It is unclear when the photos with the cobwebs were taken. Even the next day would have been enough time for more cobwebs to appear, AND, they probably were made by a spider after the window was left open for that day. It was cold outside-a window left open would have been noticed if it had been that way for long before the crime, even in the basement.

No 9 year old is making a garrote and no mother with zero indication of prior abuse would do what was done to that child and leave her dead body in that room. Intruder all the way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where did the male DNA in the underwear come from? It was not the brother’s or father’s. The top detective on the case always said intruder. It is unclear when the photos with the cobwebs were taken. Even the next day would have been enough time for more cobwebs to appear, AND, they probably were made by a spider after the window was left open for that day. It was cold outside-a window left open would have been noticed if it had been that way for long before the crime, even in the basement.

No 9 year old is making a garrote and no mother with zero indication of prior abuse would do what was done to that child and leave her dead body in that room. Intruder all the way.

Agree. I don't know why there is even a debate, especially since one of the top investigators in the country said it was an intruder.

I honestly don't think this case would have been hard to solve. It was no criminal mastermind. It was the staggering level of incompetence with the Boulder police...and they were embarrassed so had to keep blaming it on the family.

I do think the intruder knew the family - it wasn't random - and knew to enter the house when they were at the party through the open basement window that was kept unlocked for the Christmas lights, and knew they were away so felt comfortable grabbing Patsy's pen and paper and leaving a long note. Hid in the huge house until bedtime, then tased the girl to leave the house with her.

I mean you don't have to have police training to know that you don't contaminate a crime scene by letting 100 neighbors come over.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where did the male DNA in the underwear come from? It was not the brother’s or father’s. The top detective on the case always said intruder. It is unclear when the photos with the cobwebs were taken. Even the next day would have been enough time for more cobwebs to appear, AND, they probably were made by a spider after the window was left open for that day. It was cold outside-a window left open would have been noticed if it had been that way for long before the crime, even in the basement.

No 9 year old is making a garrote and no mother with zero indication of prior abuse would do what was done to that child and leave her dead body in that room. Intruder all the way.

One theory is that John made the garrote, is the one who staged the body. Regardless, any intruder theory must content with the fact that Patsy wrote the ransom note. That is the least questionable piece of evidence available.

[Anonymous]

I 100% believe the intruder theory but I think Patsy was SUPER clueless and I think she was likely one of those moms who popped a lot of the "mother's little helper" pills and wasn't really living in reality.

I think she hung around with a LOT of shady characters and didn't pick up on things in the pageant scene. I mean I get it, I'd take a lot of stuff too if that happened to my child, but I mean, I think she was doing some of that stuff BEFORE the murder. She had stage four cancer, so I'm sure she had a ton of access to pills and no one questioned it. Probably a drinker.

In no way am I blaming her, but I think that is in part why along with the unbelievable bungled police work they were never able to get a good list of suspects. Sounds like they always had a ton of people over, socializing, a ton of workers had access to the house....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where did the male DNA in the underwear come from? It was not the brother’s or father’s. The top detective on the case always said intruder. It is unclear when the photos with the cobwebs were taken. Even the next day would have been enough time for more cobwebs to appear, AND, they probably were made by a spider after the window was left open for that day. It was cold outside-a window left open would have been noticed if it had been that way for long before the crime, even in the basement.

No 9 year old is making a garrote and no mother with zero indication of prior abuse would do what was done to that child and leave her dead body in that room. Intruder all the way.

One theory is that John made the garrote, is the one who staged the body. Regardless, any intruder theory must content with the fact that Patsy wrote the ransom note. That is the least questionable piece of evidence available.

Experts were not able to definitely say she wrote the note.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This will forever be a baffling case. There's no evidence of an intruder yet the parents had no motive. My theory is that the son, Burke, accidentally killed JB in a tiff over a midnight snack of pineapple. He then woke up his mom to tell her they had a fight and it was Patsy who found JB dead. Knowing that the family had already lost a child, the thought of losing another child to the justice system was too much for Patsy so she concocted a cover-up to try and point the finger away from the family. Patsy wrote the bizarre random note and planted evidence of sexual assault. I don't think the dad knew until maybe 1-2 days later and by that point they were in too deep to not sustain the story.

But she WAS sexually assaulted. Brutally. Sorry to bring this up but she was penetrated by a broken paintbrush. It was f-ing awful. And the crack her on skull was something like 8 inches. I mean it was insane. I can't picture a 9 year old doing that, and I can't picture loving parents finding her dead cracking her skull more and then sexually assaulting her? Come on. That is what is a bridge too far for me.

I agree that the heinous nature of the injuries on JB seem to point to an intruder because there was no evidence of abuse within the Ramsey household. But how could it be an intruder? There was no evidence of forced entry. There's a theory an intruder came through a basement window but the crime scene pictures showed undisturbed cobwebs. But let's say an intruder got into the house that way. How did the intruder get control of JB in the house without her screaming making enough noise to garner attention? If JB was eating pineapple in the kitchen when the murderer found her, surely a stranger would have caused her to scream hysterically. Yes it was a big house, but still that's odd. And then after the molestation and murder, the killer wanted to stick around the crime scene so he went upstairs near the bedrooms to write a 3 page ransom note on Patsy's notepad and with Patsy's pen before departing? And this pedophile murder knew to ask for ransom in the exact amount of the dad's Xmas bonus? It's just downright bizarre on every level.

There were two sets of taser marks on her. That's how they got her to go quietly. They had been at a Christmas party--the intruder could have entered at any point in time and written the note while they were at the party--could have rummaged through the house and seen a pay stub with the bonus amount on it. They might have even been planning to just rob the house, then stumbled on that info and hatched the plan for the ransom and things got out of hand quickly. The bank teller could have even tipped off a boyfriend or whomever, or another bank customer could have overheard how much the deposit was. There are so many ways someone could have found the exact amount of the bonus, and had plenty of opportunity to write a note. That house was big--they could have been in there with the family and no one would have known.

No the stun gun theory has been disproved. Marks were made by debris on the ground.

It was a family member inside the home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This will forever be a baffling case. There's no evidence of an intruder yet the parents had no motive. My theory is that the son, Burke, accidentally killed JB in a tiff over a midnight snack of pineapple. He then woke up his mom to tell her they had a fight and it was Patsy who found JB dead. Knowing that the family had already lost a child, the thought of losing another child to the justice system was too much for Patsy so she concocted a cover-up to try and point the finger away from the family. Patsy wrote the bizarre random note and planted evidence of sexual assault. I don't think the dad knew until maybe 1-2 days later and by that point they were in too deep to not sustain the story.

But she WAS sexually assaulted. Brutally. Sorry to bring this up but she was penetrated by a broken paintbrush. It was f-ing awful. And the crack her on skull was something like 8 inches. I mean it was insane. I can't picture a 9 year old doing that, and I can't picture loving parents finding her dead cracking her skull more and then sexually assaulting her? Come on. That is what is a bridge too far for me.

I agree that the heinous nature of the injuries on JB seem to point to an intruder because there was no evidence of abuse within the Ramsey household. But how could it be an intruder? There was no evidence of forced entry. There's a theory an intruder came through a basement window but the crime scene pictures showed undisturbed cobwebs. But let's say an intruder got into the house that way. How did the intruder get control of JB in the house without her screaming making enough noise to garner attention? If JB was eating pineapple in the kitchen when the murderer found her, surely a stranger would have caused her to scream hysterically. Yes it was a big house, but still that's odd. And then after the molestation and murder, the killer wanted to stick around the crime scene so he went upstairs near the bedrooms to write a 3 page ransom note on Patsy's notepad and with Patsy's pen before departing? And this pedophile murder knew to ask for ransom in the exact amount of the dad's Xmas bonus? It's just downright bizarre on every level.

There were two sets of taser marks on her. That's how they got her to go quietly. They had been at a Christmas party--the intruder could have entered at any point in time and written the note while they were at the party--could have rummaged through the house and seen a pay stub with the bonus amount on it. They might have even been planning to just rob the house, then stumbled on that info and hatched the plan for the ransom and things got out of hand quickly. The bank teller could have even tipped off a boyfriend or whomever, or another bank customer could have overheard how much the deposit was. There are so many ways someone could have found the exact amount of the bonus, and had plenty of opportunity to write a note. That house was big--they could have been in there with the family and no one would have known.

No the stun gun theory has been disproved. Marks were made by debris on the ground.

It was a family member inside the home.

The taser theory has NEVER been disproved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where did the male DNA in the underwear come from? It was not the brother’s or father’s. The top detective on the case always said intruder. It is unclear when the photos with the cobwebs were taken. Even the next day would have been enough time for more cobwebs to appear, AND, they probably were made by a spider after the window was left open for that day. It was cold outside-a window left open would have been noticed if it had been that way for long before the crime, even in the basement.

No 9 year old is making a garrote and no mother with zero indication of prior abuse would do what was done to that child and leave her dead body in that room. Intruder all the way.

One theory is that John made the garrote, is the one who staged the body. Regardless, any intruder theory must content with the fact that Patsy wrote the ransom note. That is the least questionable piece of evidence available.

Experts were not able to definitely say she wrote the note.

There is ample evidence she wrote the note. Unless you really think an intruder found her stationery and pen in the dark, lounged around writing a letter for an hour, and somehow managed to mimic her handwriting, expressions, and include private family info.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This will forever be a baffling case. There's no evidence of an intruder yet the parents had no motive. My theory is that the son, Burke, accidentally killed JB in a tiff over a midnight snack of pineapple. He then woke up his mom to tell her they had a fight and it was Patsy who found JB dead. Knowing that the family had already lost a child, the thought of losing another child to the justice system was too much for Patsy so she concocted a cover-up to try and point the finger away from the family. Patsy wrote the bizarre random note and planted evidence of sexual assault. I don't think the dad knew until maybe 1-2 days later and by that point they were in too deep to not sustain the story.

But she WAS sexually assaulted. Brutally. Sorry to bring this up but she was penetrated by a broken paintbrush. It was f-ing awful. And the crack her on skull was something like 8 inches. I mean it was insane. I can't picture a 9 year old doing that, and I can't picture loving parents finding her dead cracking her skull more and then sexually assaulting her? Come on. That is what is a bridge too far for me.

I agree that the heinous nature of the injuries on JB seem to point to an intruder because there was no evidence of abuse within the Ramsey household. But how could it be an intruder? There was no evidence of forced entry. There's a theory an intruder came through a basement window but the crime scene pictures showed undisturbed cobwebs. But let's say an intruder got into the house that way. How did the intruder get control of JB in the house without her screaming making enough noise to garner attention? If JB was eating pineapple in the kitchen when the murderer found her, surely a stranger would have caused her to scream hysterically. Yes it was a big house, but still that's odd. And then after the molestation and murder, the killer wanted to stick around the crime scene so he went upstairs near the bedrooms to write a 3 page ransom note on Patsy's notepad and with Patsy's pen before departing? And this pedophile murder knew to ask for ransom in the exact amount of the dad's Xmas bonus? It's just downright bizarre on every level.

There were two sets of taser marks on her. That's how they got her to go quietly. They had been at a Christmas party--the intruder could have entered at any point in time and written the note while they were at the party--could have rummaged through the house and seen a pay stub with the bonus amount on it. They might have even been planning to just rob the house, then stumbled on that info and hatched the plan for the ransom and things got out of hand quickly. The bank teller could have even tipped off a boyfriend or whomever, or another bank customer could have overheard how much the deposit was. There are so many ways someone could have found the exact amount of the bonus, and had plenty of opportunity to write a note. That house was big--they could have been in there with the family and no one would have known.

No the stun gun theory has been disproved. Marks were made by debris on the ground.

It was a family member inside the home.

The taser theory has NEVER been disproved.

Maybe, but it has been proved the marks line up exactly with the toy train tracks.

[Anonymous]

Had to be that the mother lost her temper saw her atunf in kitchen in middle night prob wet from an accident then snatched her up and accidentally hit her head. The son was only 8 and they had money. Had e done it then he not need to be covered for rhe parents would have simply called 911 as a reaction. I feel mothers don't often sometimes but usu a stupid young girl cover for the father. She hurt her abd father couldn't leave fingerprints cas note tge weapon and everything else's snacks are in house. You don't leave body with the note. You being your own kite and it not a novel. Same the McCains. The mother. Common sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This will forever be a baffling case. There's no evidence of an intruder yet the parents had no motive. My theory is that the son, Burke, accidentally killed JB in a tiff over a midnight snack of pineapple. He then woke up his mom to tell her they had a fight and it was Patsy who found JB dead. Knowing that the family had already lost a child, the thought of losing another child to the justice system was too much for Patsy so she concocted a cover-up to try and point the finger away from the family. Patsy wrote the bizarre random note and planted evidence of sexual assault. I don't think the dad knew until maybe 1-2 days later and by that point they were in too deep to not sustain the story.

But she WAS sexually assaulted. Brutally. Sorry to bring this up but she was penetrated by a broken paintbrush. It was f-ing awful. And the crack her on skull was something like 8 inches. I mean it was insane. I can't picture a 9 year old doing that, and I can't picture loving parents finding her dead cracking her skull more and then sexually assaulting her? Come on. That is what is a bridge too far for me.

I agree that the heinous nature of the injuries on JB seem to point to an intruder because there was no evidence of abuse within the Ramsey household. But how could it be an intruder? There was no evidence of forced entry. There's a theory an intruder came through a basement window but the crime scene pictures showed undisturbed cobwebs. But let's say an intruder got into the house that way. How did the intruder get control of JB in the house without her screaming making enough noise to garner attention? If JB was eating pineapple in the kitchen when the murderer found her, surely a stranger would have caused her to scream hysterically. Yes it was a big house, but still that's odd. And then after the molestation and murder, the killer wanted to stick around the crime scene so he went upstairs near the bedrooms to write a 3 page ransom note on Patsy's notepad and with Patsy's pen before departing? And this pedophile murder knew to ask for ransom in the exact amount of the dad's Xmas bonus? It's just downright bizarre on every level.

There were two sets of taser marks on her. That's how they got her to go quietly. They had been at a Christmas party--the intruder could have entered at any point in time and written the note while they were at the party--could have rummaged through the house and seen a pay stub with the bonus amount on it. They might have even been planning to just rob the house, then stumbled on that info and hatched the plan for the ransom and things got out of hand quickly. The bank teller could have even tipped off a boyfriend or whomever, or another bank customer could have overheard how much the deposit was. There are so many ways someone could have found the exact amount of the bonus, and had plenty of opportunity to write a note. That house was big--they could have been in there with the family and no one would have known.

No the stun gun theory has been disproved. Marks were made by debris on the ground.

It was a family member inside the home.

+10000 it was for sure a family member INSIDE the house. The fruit on the table like she was up eating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Had to be that the mother lost her temper saw her atunf in kitchen in middle night prob wet from an accident then snatched her up and accidentally hit her head. The son was only 8 and they had money. Had e done it then he not need to be covered for rhe parents would have simply called 911 as a reaction. I feel mothers don't often sometimes but usu a stupid young girl cover for the father. She hurt her abd father couldn't leave fingerprints cas note tge weapon and everything else's snacks are in house. You don't leave body with the note. You being your own kite and it not a novel. Same the McCains. The mother. Common sense.

Remember when they said Burke was asleep yet you can hear his voice on the enhanced 911 call?

[Anonymous]

Can anyone disprove that Burke was molesting his sister and something went very wrong like he choked her and she died and the parents covered it up? With the mom writing the ransom note?

Sorry but I can't read all 115 pages on this thread was this covered?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where did the male DNA in the underwear come from? It was not the brother’s or father’s. The top detective on the case always said intruder. It is unclear when the photos with the cobwebs were taken. Even the next day would have been enough time for more cobwebs to appear, AND, they probably were made by a spider after the window was left open for that day. It was cold outside-a window left open would have been noticed if it had been that way for long before the crime, even in the basement.

No 9 year old is making a garrote and no mother with zero indication of prior abuse would do what was done to that child and leave her dead body in that room. Intruder all the way.

One theory is that John made the garrote, is the one who staged the body. Regardless, any intruder theory must content with the fact that Patsy wrote the ransom note. That is the least questionable piece of evidence available.

Handwriting analysis is hardly science.