Succession - Season 4
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Anonymous
I think that’s partially true, but it’s also the case that Colin’s presence shows that it’s a two-edged sword. Kendall will never get out, but it’s a gilded cage; his immense privilege will also always protect him from himself and his own failures. Which was part of his problem — he’s never had to earn anything, so he’s never had to become “a serious person.” |
Anonymous
He was playing both sides. It was ambiguous if he knew the Tom part. I don’t think he did, and Tom didn’t tell him. |
Anonymous
Hard to imagine his ever getting over this particular betrayal, but it's a nice thought! |
Anonymous
My take on that scene was that Roman himself was digging his injury into Kendall's forehead. Perhaps trying to feel the pain of it all. That was a very touching and sad scene. |
Anonymous
Agreed. The same reason he threw himself into the crowd of protesters. |
Anonymous
Interesting, could be! |
Anonymous
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Jessie Armstrong, the show's creator, on the finale:
There was an odd emotional tension. The counterpoint to that was the lovely scene we called ‘Meal Fit For A King’ with that sense of recaptured innocence. Kids just being kids, no matter what their income. Everything seemed possible, and yet…” he said. “My understanding of the show has always been that it’s a tragedy. Therefore, every moment of hope is so cruel, because we’re just waiting for that shoe to drop and waiting for their essential nature to be exposed. To break your heart again.” “As with Tom’s betrayal at the end of Season 3, everything was always working toward this idea of Sarah’s character of Shiv ultimately sabotaging herself and sabotaging the deal,” Mylod added. “Jesse — I hate this expression — stuck the landing with this climactic showdown, if you like, between the three siblings. The final ripping off of the bandaid to expose that terrible, terrible truth put so simply by Roman — ‘We are bullsh*t’ — was so heartrending, and yet so inevitable. And good tragedy should feel inevitable, shouldn’t it?” In a reductive, brutal way, Roman ends up exactly where he started. He is that guy still. And he maybe could have easily been a playboy jerk with some slightly nasty instincts and some quite funny jokes. He could have stayed in a bar being that guy, and this has been a bit of a detour in his life, I’d say,” Armstrong said. “Shiv is still in play, I’d say, in a rather terrifying, frozen, emotionally barren place. But she has got this kind of non-victory, non-defeat. I mean there’s gonna be some movement there. There’s still a lot of that game to play out, but that’s where we leave it, and it feels like it’s going to be hard to progress for them emotionally given the things they said to each other. For Kendall, this will never stop being the central event of his life, the central days of his life, central couple of years of his life. Maybe he could go on and start a company…but the chances of achieving the sort of corporate status that dad achieved are very low go, and I think that will mark his whole life.” https://deadline.com/2023/05/succession-series-finale-hbo-jesse-armstrong-mark-mylod-waystar-ceo-1235382098/ |
Anonymous
| Greg actually played a pivotal role in the finale. Had he not alerted Shiv, she would have gone into that board meeting still thinking she would be CEO. Only afterwards would she have been blindsided by the news that Tom was now CEO. Interesting turn of events. |
Anonymous
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Since people keep asking about the Pierce deal -- it was a handshake deal predicated on the kids getting a windfall with the GoJo deal. Nothing in writing or in process. They negotiated it at Nan's house and agreed to a number but that's not binding. Literally anything could happen with it at this point -- one of the Roy kids could team up with Stewie to try and make it happen, a total third party coming in.
But also, Succession does have a tendency to drop these thread isn somewhat sloppy ways. They've done it in the past with other business dealings. Things pop up as plot devices and then just disappear without ever being referenced again, even if realistically that's not how it would work. |
Anonymous
And that's your opinion. 
DP |
Anonymous
Nope. You don't have to "like" Shiv to understand that what she did was the only rational choice. It had nothing to do with "keeping a rival from power." |
Anonymous
i Read what the man who wrote the show said, that’s his opinion. |
Anonymous
No - Roman did that to himself by pressing his wound hard onto Kendall. DP |
Anonymous
I just scrolled through to make sure I’m not getting dementia, and it was Shiv. They were sitting out on the patio drinking rum punch after Kendall arrived. Shiv suggests letting the deal go through and going back to their previous plans for The Hundred. The Mom later also suggests “a clean start” would be good at dinner, but it all just proves the same point — they were never serious about any of it and really don’t have the capacity to pull it off. |
Anonymous
+1 to all of this. |