ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:Then just explain the disparity between P4 recruits. Nothing else. Just that single data point.

GA is a newer league. ECNL pounced after the collapse of DA. GA actually is improving (and it's easy because it's hard for 1 league to maintain such a dominance) -- it's why ECNL is playing the numbers game with the scouts/schools at showcases.

It appears that GA P4 recruits are actually going down. Not sure if that is because some bigger name clubs have left, taking their P4s with them or if the general skill level is going down. or both.

This is the definition of a leading question.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leading_question

I could just as easily ask you...
How do you know you're gay if you've never been with a woman?

OK, make it simpler, I will post the actual numbers and then you can tell me the whys? Will that make you feel better counselor? 😂

32 teams have 4+ P4 commits in the class of 2026. 6 of those are GA. 26 are ECNL. And, just to remove doubt, Nationals are not one of the 32 teams so they are not skewing anything. So no leading questions just facts. ECNL simply dominates GA for high level soccer recruits.

Looking forward to rebuttal or moving of goalposts or whatever else you got……… counselor……….

Hey one trick poney your cherry picked stats mean nothing. It would be fun to track how many of those hit the transfer portal or how many get replaced by transfer portal players.

Speaking of cherry picked manipulated data...

More girls ECNL players hit the transfer portal in their first year than any other girls league?

This!! I don’t care how many girls commit to a program out of high school. I want to know how many girls actually played all 4 years, got significant playing time, graduated with a degree, were happy with their choice and experience at college. These are the stats I want to see. Ecnl, Ga, who cares. Committing is not the goal, having a positive college experience is.

Committing is the goal. Without committing there is no play or experience. Idk what you’re talking about with such a stupid statement.

If players decide to transfer due to lack of PT that’s not a knock on ECNL or GA.

[Anonymous]

Is MLSN1 the same as academy? Are they all free?

[Anonymous]

ECNL podcast had prez and vice prez saying clubs in other leagues aren’t on the save level as ECNL. Mentioned the narrative that clubs leaving for better leagues is false.

Are they reading our forum? Lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:ECNL podcast had prez and vice prez saying clubs in other leagues aren’t on the save level as ECNL. Mentioned the narrative that clubs leaving for better leagues is false.

Are they reading our forum? Lol

Nothing says "worried about other leagues" like calling them out and saying something negative.

First they ignore you,
Then they laugh at you
Then they fight you
Then you win

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:ECNL podcast had prez and vice prez saying clubs in other leagues aren’t on the save level as ECNL. Mentioned the narrative that clubs leaving for better leagues is false.

Are they reading our forum? Lol

Those two are a couple of ding dongs that think they have the soccer iq of Klopp, the business acumen of John Henry, and the foresight of Rinus Michels. They are literally no better than your average classic coach, except they have power and authority of the 2nd best boys league and best girls league in the country. We must hang on their every breath.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ECNL podcast had prez and vice prez saying clubs in other leagues aren’t on the save level as ECNL. Mentioned the narrative that clubs leaving for better leagues is false.

Are they reading our forum? Lol

Those two are a couple of ding dongs that think they have the soccer iq of Klopp, the business acumen of John Henry, and the foresight of Rinus Michels. They are literally no better than your average classic coach, except they have power and authority of the 2nd best boys league and best girls league in the country. We must hang on their every breath.

Hahaha "ding dongs" is the right word.

Their world is closing in on them and they know it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is MLSN1 the same as academy? Are they all free?

Hahha, my sweet summer child, they made a hash of this.

A MLS Academy is a program directly attached to an MLS team and is often free. These teams play in MLSN tier 1, now named Homegrown Division.

MLSN Academy tier is the new branding for MLSN tier 2. Which is a step lower.

[Anonymous]

It is extremely weird to call Tier 2 “academy” when they revolve their season around HS soccer. Such an obvious marketing gimmick. Do they think parents are that stupid? Oh right, they are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:ECNL podcast had prez and vice prez saying clubs in other leagues aren’t on the save level as ECNL. Mentioned the narrative that clubs leaving for better leagues is false.

Are they reading our forum? Lol

Those two are a couple of ding dongs that think they have the soccer iq of Klopp, the business acumen of John Henry, and the foresight of Rinus Michels. They are literally no better than your average classic coach, except they have power and authority of the 2nd best boys league and best girls league in the country. We must hang on their every breath.

Hahaha "ding dongs" is the right word.

Their world is closing in on them and they know it.

Agree those two are ding dongs but some of the MLSN changes, like taking almost any club that wants to join tier 2 and calling them academy seems pretty desperate too . Both are scrambling for prominence or grasping to maintain some existence in the alphabet soup leagues. Hard to imagine MLSN completely takes over for a sustained period of time. Lots of parents of top kids do not like their model and a surprisingly high number of talented kids especially at 13/14/15 have zero interest in playing professional. That MLS pipeline may be attractive to some but a lot of noise to others.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Then just explain the disparity between P4 recruits. Nothing else. Just that single data point.

GA is a newer league. ECNL pounced after the collapse of DA. GA actually is improving (and it's easy because it's hard for 1 league to maintain such a dominance) -- it's why ECNL is playing the numbers game with the scouts/schools at showcases.

It appears that GA P4 recruits are actually going down. Not sure if that is because some bigger name clubs have left, taking their P4s with them or if the general skill level is going down. or both.

This is the definition of a leading question.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leading_question

I could just as easily ask you...
How do you know you're gay if you've never been with a woman?

OK, make it simpler, I will post the actual numbers and then you can tell me the whys? Will that make you feel better counselor? 😂

32 teams have 4+ P4 commits in the class of 2026. 6 of those are GA. 26 are ECNL. And, just to remove doubt, Nationals are not one of the 32 teams so they are not skewing anything. So no leading questions just facts. ECNL simply dominates GA for high level soccer recruits.

Looking forward to rebuttal or moving of goalposts or whatever else you got……… counselor……….

Hey one trick poney your cherry picked stats mean nothing. It would be fun to track how many of those hit the transfer portal or how many get replaced by transfer portal players.

Speaking of cherry picked manipulated data...

More girls ECNL players hit the transfer portal in their first year than any other girls league?

This!! I don’t care how many girls commit to a program out of high school. I want to know how many girls actually played all 4 years, got significant playing time, graduated with a degree, were happy with their choice and experience at college. These are the stats I want to see. Ecnl, Ga, who cares. Committing is not the goal, having a positive college experience is.

Committing is the goal. Without committing there is no play or experience. Idk what you’re talking about with such a stupid statement.

If players decide to transfer due to lack of PT that’s not a knock on ECNL or GA.

Right?! Especially since they are losing playing time to girls that are likely out of the same leagues. Meanless data point for the conclusions they’re trying to draw.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ECNL podcast had prez and vice prez saying clubs in other leagues aren’t on the save level as ECNL. Mentioned the narrative that clubs leaving for better leagues is false.

Are they reading our forum? Lol

Those two are a couple of ding dongs that think they have the soccer iq of Klopp, the business acumen of John Henry, and the foresight of Rinus Michels. They are literally no better than your average classic coach, except they have power and authority of the 2nd best boys league and best girls league in the country. We must hang on their every breath.

Hahaha "ding dongs" is the right word.

Their world is closing in on them and they know it.

Agree those two are ding dongs but some of the MLSN changes, like taking almost any club that wants to join tier 2 and calling them academy seems pretty desperate too . Both are scrambling for prominence or grasping to maintain some existence in the alphabet soup leagues. Hard to imagine MLSN completely takes over for a sustained period of time. Lots of parents of top kids do not like their model and a surprisingly high number of talented kids especially at 13/14/15 have zero interest in playing professional. That MLS pipeline may be attractive to some but a lot of noise to others.

Both are…either/or? This doesn’t make sense.

ECNL is scrambling to not lose their boys league entirely. And MLSN is expanding into tier 2 to basically take ECNLs lunch.

Is it a strategic mistake for MLSN to grow big and fast and focus on so many different player journey outcomes? 🤷‍♂️

Is it a strategic mistake for ECNL to think they can keep the same singular player journey outcome focus for boys that they mediocre at currently but only change and age cut-off in order to shift the tide? 🤷‍♂️

Between the two options, I think MLSN seems like it’s more likely to be successful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is extremely weird to call Tier 2 “academy” when they revolve their season around HS soccer. Such an obvious marketing gimmick. Do they think parents are that stupid? Oh right, they are.

Extremely weird? It’s actually pretty normal in youth sports. “Academy” used to mean something specific. Now it just tantamount to “program.” It’s marketing at this point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ECNL podcast had prez and vice prez saying clubs in other leagues aren’t on the save level as ECNL. Mentioned the narrative that clubs leaving for better leagues is false.

Are they reading our forum? Lol

Those two are a couple of ding dongs that think they have the soccer iq of Klopp, the business acumen of John Henry, and the foresight of Rinus Michels. They are literally no better than your average classic coach, except they have power and authority of the 2nd best boys league and best girls league in the country. We must hang on their every breath.

Hahaha "ding dongs" is the right word.

Their world is closing in on them and they know it.

Agree those two are ding dongs but some of the MLSN changes, like taking almost any club that wants to join tier 2 and calling them academy seems pretty desperate too . Both are scrambling for prominence or grasping to maintain some existence in the alphabet soup leagues. Hard to imagine MLSN completely takes over for a sustained period of time. Lots of parents of top kids do not like their model and a surprisingly high number of talented kids especially at 13/14/15 have zero interest in playing professional. That MLS pipeline may be attractive to some but a lot of noise to others.

Both are…either/or? This doesn’t make sense.

ECNL is scrambling to not lose their boys league entirely. And MLSN is expanding into tier 2 to basically take ECNLs lunch.

Is it a strategic mistake for MLSN to grow big and fast and focus on so many different player journey outcomes? 🤷‍♂️

Is it a strategic mistake for ECNL to think they can keep the same singular player journey outcome focus for boys that they mediocre at currently but only change and age cut-off in order to shift the tide? 🤷‍♂️

Between the two options, I think MLSN seems like it’s more likely to be successful.

Successful for how long and by what measure?. Any one of these leagues and yes even your precious MLSN could fold tomorrow financially. That is why I say what I said, as two things can be true at the same time. Having more clubs wear your badge isn’t necessarily winning and dominating. Business wise these attempts are also desperation as financially they need to do something big or fold up. After Messi retires, most will go back to stop paying any attention to MLS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ECNL podcast had prez and vice prez saying clubs in other leagues aren’t on the save level as ECNL. Mentioned the narrative that clubs leaving for better leagues is false.

Are they reading our forum? Lol

Those two are a couple of ding dongs that think they have the soccer iq of Klopp, the business acumen of John Henry, and the foresight of Rinus Michels. They are literally no better than your average classic coach, except they have power and authority of the 2nd best boys league and best girls league in the country. We must hang on their every breath.

Hahaha "ding dongs" is the right word.

Their world is closing in on them and they know it.

Agree those two are ding dongs but some of the MLSN changes, like taking almost any club that wants to join tier 2 and calling them academy seems pretty desperate too . Both are scrambling for prominence or grasping to maintain some existence in the alphabet soup leagues. Hard to imagine MLSN completely takes over for a sustained period of time. Lots of parents of top kids do not like their model and a surprisingly high number of talented kids especially at 13/14/15 have zero interest in playing professional. That MLS pipeline may be attractive to some but a lot of noise to others.

Both are…either/or? This doesn’t make sense.

ECNL is scrambling to not lose their boys league entirely. And MLSN is expanding into tier 2 to basically take ECNLs lunch.

Is it a strategic mistake for MLSN to grow big and fast and focus on so many different player journey outcomes? 🤷‍♂️

Is it a strategic mistake for ECNL to think they can keep the same singular player journey outcome focus for boys that they mediocre at currently but only change and age cut-off in order to shift the tide? 🤷‍♂️

Between the two options, I think MLSN seems like it’s more likely to be successful.

Didn't MLSN lose a couple of clubs to ECNL earlier this year ?

Has any club left ECNL to join MLS2 so far ?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is extremely weird to call Tier 2 “academy” when they revolve their season around HS soccer. Such an obvious marketing gimmick. Do they think parents are that stupid? Oh right, they are.

Extremely weird? It’s actually pretty normal in youth sports. “Academy” used to mean something specific. Now it just tantamount to “program.” It’s marketing at this point.

Substituting the ever-so-prominent “MLS Academy” name, that so many Dads on here drool over, and imparting it to their second tier league, is weird yes. In fact it is blatantly deceitful because it used to be the pinnacle of what parents could tell others and now it means the opposite. It also forces those same dips*!t parents to say homegrown which is in and of itself self a weird name .