ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:MLSN/GA is not a profitable model and relies on grants and transfer fees and assumes a steady growth in soccer popularity in the US. Also not a great deal for clubs as MLS owns all the players contracts. It is a house of cards.

Mlsn-Ecnl merger, book it…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MLSN/GA is not a profitable model and relies on grants and transfer fees and assumes a steady growth in soccer popularity in the US. Also not a great deal for clubs as MLS owns all the players contracts. It is a house of cards.

Mlsn-Ecnl merger, book it…

It could happen but there would be substantial concessions made to GA for it to be approved.

I would support it if we finally got tiered divisions and relegation. And I’m a GA parent.

Bifurcated leagues is probably the best thing for true development over the course of time.

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Anonymous wrote:MLSN/GA is not a profitable model and relies on grants and transfer fees and assumes a steady growth in soccer popularity in the US. Also not a great deal for clubs as MLS owns all the players contracts. It is a house of cards.

Mlsn-Ecnl merger, book it…

If MLSN2 does bring in enough to cover true MLSN academies' costs, MLS setting up to cut bait. They don't really have assets to auction off or use for a merger, they can just walk away, Usual Suspects style.

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Never going to happen.

Why add in ECNL leadership when NWSL can just take over GA like MLS did with GA with US Soccers support?

The writings already on the wall about what their intentions are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Never going to happen.

Why add in ECNL leadership when NWSL can just take over GA like MLS did with GA with US Soccers support?

The writings already on the wall about what their intentions are.

NWSL, even more of a money pit than MLS

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Anonymous wrote:All this begs the question, is staying BY for MLSN/GA worth all the trouble and potential downsides?

What potential downsides? 🤣

No downsides if they just pull a DA and close up shop without warning.

DA didnt really "close up shop without warning". At least on the girls side everyone knew free soccer doesnt work if someone or some kind of action wasnt footing the bill. US Soccer wanted out and MLS wanted in. Which is why MLS Next exists today as a direct replacement of boys DA. Girls DA is a little more complicated because it never should have existed in the first place. Im sure US Soccer approached NWSL to take the girls side over and they simply said no. Which is when a bunch of clubs went back to ECNL and everyone else grouped together and created GA. If you read through the early GA documentation the intent was always to have NWSL take over GA and create Acadamies just like MLS did with the boys. When this didn't happen GA pivoted and copied ECNL. From a business perspective ECNL could have had it all if they would have just let all the DA clubs in. But they chose to only let certain clubs in. And now GA exists as their biggest competitor.

What i like about today vs 5 years ago is that because of the ranking app ECNLs mistake of only letting certain clubs in when DA blew up is easy to see. Before the ranking app there were ranking sites that were literally pay to play marketing and they'd print whatever they were paid to say. This still exists but nobody cares anymore if what's being written doesnt sync with the ranking app its garbage. I cant stress how bad it was when recruiters would contact clubs based on articles written by websites that were 100% paid for by leagues.

I see this same type of thing happening for players with stats as AI becomes better able to identify skills. As an example right now with forwards its easy to see who can finish. But, how do you identify mids and defenders? Eventually this will all be assessed by AI and coaches/docs will lose their power to pick favorites.

The rankings app is awful. It is MARGINALLY better than GotSport / USARank.

Give me a break.

Before the ranking app who was the best club was determined by who paid which site the most $$$.

For better or worse the ranking app provides a consistent and cearly defined way to rank teams. That isnt influenced by $$$.

You didn’t really respond to the PP. 🧐

You just made an unsubstantiated loosely related secondary claim about paying for rankings. Neither GotSport, nor USARank are paid rankings…so where is this coming from?

Soccer Rankings app is about as accurate as GotSport and USARank, none are very good, and they all pull from the same data sources.

Anyone that puts GotSport or USA rank in the same galaxy as soccer rankings knows absolutely nothing about data analytics.

Only saving grace is that it is Monday morning so they are back at their job at the CBO😂

Spit my coffee out on this one. Ranking app is garbage. And it’s not data analytics

Ranking app is far and away better than any alternative. Is it completely accurate, of course not, but by last count it predicted wins at a greater than 80% rate. The algorithm is actually pretty impressive. It is explained at the link pp posted.

Instead of mocking what you dont understand (iT’s NoT dAtA aAlYtIcs) take time to educate yourself. it will help you in the real world when your anonymity doesnt shields you from ridicule……….

Not responding on this after this.

If you read this, it supports everything that I posted above:
https://usasportstatistics.net/
With one breath you complain about USARank and GotSport rewarding match volume, but Soccer Ranking is pretty explicit that more = higher and better results too.

It is a bastardized ELO.

ELO is not data analytics, and neither is Soccer Ranking. It is statistics, but not DA. They aren’t Opta…and they aren’t collecting that sort of data.

Football is extremely hard to produce predictive outcomes. Some of the best ELOs produce and accuracy better than random picking, but double 55% accuracy at best.

This is why professional gamblers actually ushered in the data revolution of football. Systems like ELO aren’t great.

Perfect example is ELOs are based on zero sum outcomes…footy isn’t zero sum. That

Other variables that make ratings extremely difficult in soccer are too numerous, but I’ll list a few: roster / health, home / away / crowds, referee calls, weather, etc. All of these variables have a multiplied effect when it comes to youth teams.

Totally can agree to disagree about the idea of the marginal difference between Soccer Ranking and GS/USAR, but to believe that there is value in the Soccer Ranking beyond feeling good about your kid’s team (which they rent a seat on) is absolutely absurd. And to believe that there is predictive power in the ranking is equally absurd. Why don’t you start a youth sports gambling website if you believe it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Never going to happen.

Why add in ECNL leadership when NWSL can just take over GA like MLS did with GA with US Soccers support?

The writings already on the wall about what their intentions are.

NWSL, even more of a money pit than MLS

Hes back, the guy that thinks anything that isn't p2p doesnt make money.

MLS Next is fine, the MLS Academy/homegrown teams are fine.

GA is fine

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Never going to happen.

Why add in ECNL leadership when NWSL can just take over GA like MLS did with GA with US Soccers support?

The writings already on the wall about what their intentions are.

NWSL, even more of a money pit than MLS

Sigh...

Sports clubs arent setup to make money. In a revenue sense. They're setup to make the club worth more + pay the owners, leadership, and players more if money is made. The average valuation for an NWSL team has recently reached $104 million, reflecting a 57% increase from the previous year.

No go face the corner with your stupid hat on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Never going to happen.

Why add in ECNL leadership when NWSL can just take over GA like MLS did with GA with US Soccers support?

The writings already on the wall about what their intentions are.

NWSL, even more of a money pit than MLS

Hes back, the guy that thinks anything that isn't p2p doesnt make money.

MLS Next is fine, the MLS Academy/homegrown teams are fine.

GA is fine

That sounds convincing. How is everything? Everything’s fine…just fine…I swear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Never going to happen.

Why add in ECNL leadership when NWSL can just take over GA like MLS did with GA with US Soccers support?

The writings already on the wall about what their intentions are.

NWSL, even more of a money pit than MLS

Sigh...

Sports clubs arent setup to make money. In a revenue sense. They're setup to make the club worth more + pay the owners, leadership, and players more if money is made. The average valuation for an NWSL team has recently reached $104 million, reflecting a 57% increase from the previous year.

No go face the corner with your stupid hat on.

Your right, the bottom never falls out, they can just print money and investors never want to force clubs to make cuts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Never going to happen.

Why add in ECNL leadership when NWSL can just take over GA like MLS did with GA with US Soccers support?

The writings already on the wall about what their intentions are.

NWSL, even more of a money pit than MLS

Sigh...

Sports clubs arent setup to make money. In a revenue sense. They're setup to make the club worth more + pay the owners, leadership, and players more if money is made. The average valuation for an NWSL team has recently reached $104 million, reflecting a 57% increase from the previous year.

No go face the corner with your stupid hat on.

Your right, the bottom never falls out, they can just print money and investors never want to force clubs to make cuts.

Why do you think Berman keeps pushing for a new TV deal? This is how you define a valuation. If she can get an even bigger TV deal than the NWSL has now all clubs in the league are worth more. Big TV deals translate into more tangible things like jersey sales and advertising opportunities. The amount of money coming in through the gate is important but its not how clubs make most of their money.

Its frustrating educating a dunce that literally has no clue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Never going to happen.

Why add in ECNL leadership when NWSL can just take over GA like MLS did with GA with US Soccers support?

The writings already on the wall about what their intentions are.

NWSL, even more of a money pit than MLS

Hes back, the guy that thinks anything that isn't p2p doesnt make money.

MLS Next is fine, the MLS Academy/homegrown teams are fine.

GA is fine

That sounds convincing. How is everything? Everything’s fine…just fine…I swear.

About as convincing has someone trying to imply that theyre not without anything to back the statement up.

[Anonymous]

With Nationals finishing up next week when will league rules/announcements be released. What are the likely rules to be that change? We know SY is happening but what about other things like team formations/ allowing a certain amount to transition now before 26/27?

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Anonymous wrote:All this begs the question, is staying BY for MLSN/GA worth all the trouble and potential downsides?

What potential downsides? 🤣

No downsides if they just pull a DA and close up shop without warning.

DA didnt really "close up shop without warning". At least on the girls side everyone knew free soccer doesnt work if someone or some kind of action wasnt footing the bill. US Soccer wanted out and MLS wanted in. Which is why MLS Next exists today as a direct replacement of boys DA. Girls DA is a little more complicated because it never should have existed in the first place. Im sure US Soccer approached NWSL to take the girls side over and they simply said no. Which is when a bunch of clubs went back to ECNL and everyone else grouped together and created GA. If you read through the early GA documentation the intent was always to have NWSL take over GA and create Acadamies just like MLS did with the boys. When this didn't happen GA pivoted and copied ECNL. From a business perspective ECNL could have had it all if they would have just let all the DA clubs in. But they chose to only let certain clubs in. And now GA exists as their biggest competitor.

What i like about today vs 5 years ago is that because of the ranking app ECNLs mistake of only letting certain clubs in when DA blew up is easy to see. Before the ranking app there were ranking sites that were literally pay to play marketing and they'd print whatever they were paid to say. This still exists but nobody cares anymore if what's being written doesnt sync with the ranking app its garbage. I cant stress how bad it was when recruiters would contact clubs based on articles written by websites that were 100% paid for by leagues.

I see this same type of thing happening for players with stats as AI becomes better able to identify skills. As an example right now with forwards its easy to see who can finish. But, how do you identify mids and defenders? Eventually this will all be assessed by AI and coaches/docs will lose their power to pick favorites.

The rankings app is awful. It is MARGINALLY better than GotSport / USARank.

Give me a break.

Before the ranking app who was the best club was determined by who paid which site the most $$$.

For better or worse the ranking app provides a consistent and cearly defined way to rank teams. That isnt influenced by $$$.

You didn’t really respond to the PP. 🧐

You just made an unsubstantiated loosely related secondary claim about paying for rankings. Neither GotSport, nor USARank are paid rankings…so where is this coming from?

Soccer Rankings app is about as accurate as GotSport and USARank, none are very good, and they all pull from the same data sources.

Anyone that puts GotSport or USA rank in the same galaxy as soccer rankings knows absolutely nothing about data analytics.

Only saving grace is that it is Monday morning so they are back at their job at the CBO😂

Spit my coffee out on this one. Ranking app is garbage. And it’s not data analytics

Ranking app is far and away better than any alternative. Is it completely accurate, of course not, but by last count it predicted wins at a greater than 80% rate. The algorithm is actually pretty impressive. It is explained at the link pp posted.

Instead of mocking what you dont understand (iT’s NoT dAtA aAlYtIcs) take time to educate yourself. it will help you in the real world when your anonymity doesnt shields you from ridicule……….

Not responding on this after this.

If you read this, it supports everything that I posted above:
https://usasportstatistics.net/
With one breath you complain about USARank and GotSport rewarding match volume, but Soccer Ranking is pretty explicit that more = higher and better results too.

It is a bastardized ELO.

ELO is not data analytics, and neither is Soccer Ranking. It is statistics, but not DA. They aren’t Opta…and they aren’t collecting that sort of data.

Football is extremely hard to produce predictive outcomes. Some of the best ELOs produce and accuracy better than random picking, but double 55% accuracy at best.

This is why professional gamblers actually ushered in the data revolution of football. Systems like ELO aren’t great.

Perfect example is ELOs are based on zero sum outcomes…footy isn’t zero sum. That

Other variables that make ratings extremely difficult in soccer are too numerous, but I’ll list a few: roster / health, home / away / crowds, referee calls, weather, etc. All of these variables have a multiplied effect when it comes to youth teams.

Totally can agree to disagree about the idea of the marginal difference between Soccer Ranking and GS/USAR, but to believe that there is value in the Soccer Ranking beyond feeling good about your kid’s team (which they rent a seat on) is absolutely absurd. And to believe that there is predictive power in the ranking is equally absurd. Why don’t you start a youth sports gambling website if you believe it?

Lol - a lot to unpack there - not trying to gamble on youth soccer games, but I will tell you there is predictive power in rankings when there is enough data. And guess what? Looking at the app at random tournaments produces an accurate result far more often than not. Of course it can't account for plenty of variables, but when it just looks at W/L & SOS it does a damn good job. I just can't believe you're this invested in the argument when you even offer GS results in the same breath. They aren't marginal - there are teams ranked in the top 20 who are 500+ on the app. Why? Because GS rankings are total crap and easy to manipulate and don't account for almost all of the high level matches being played.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Never going to happen.

Why add in ECNL leadership when NWSL can just take over GA like MLS did with GA with US Soccers support?

The writings already on the wall about what their intentions are.

NWSL, even more of a money pit than MLS

Sigh...

Sports clubs arent setup to make money. In a revenue sense. They're setup to make the club worth more + pay the owners, leadership, and players more if money is made. The average valuation for an NWSL team has recently reached $104 million, reflecting a 57% increase from the previous year.

No go face the corner with your stupid hat on.

Your right, the bottom never falls out, they can just print money and investors never want to force clubs to make cuts.

Why do you think Berman keeps pushing for a new TV deal? This is how you define a valuation. If she can get an even bigger TV deal than the NWSL has now all clubs in the league are worth more. Big TV deals translate into more tangible things like jersey sales and advertising opportunities. The amount of money coming in through the gate is important but its not how clubs make most of their money.

Its frustrating educating a dunce that literally has no clue.

It is hard to convince someone that NWSL teams can afford to subsidize elite youth soccer leagues while their players make less than 100k and the fact that no one watches women’s soccer.