Kyle Rittenhouse: Vigilante White Men

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you have a gun, don’t go into the crowd. The kid being stupid and reckless provoked and escalated the whole thing.

Rosenbaum said he would kill KR and then later attacked him whilst he was on his way to extinguish a fire: So who exactly provoked who? Don’t let the facts get in the way of your narrative.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I mean do we really want to set the precedent that it's great for a minor to run into the middle of a riot with a gun, amping up the chaos, then say, "well it was chaotic of course he had to shoot people"?

I don't want that precedent!

If your minor was outside in life threatening danger, even if you could argue if they stayed home they would of been safe, and had a gun you'd tell them to use it.

Per eyewitness testimony and the person that got shot, he was pointing a gun to his head. Yes, I'd tell my kid to shoot.

The guy armed with a bag of deodorant?

Oh, you mean the good guy with the gun who was trying to rush the shooter. Funny how the narrative changes depending on whether you like the shooter or not.

You mean the guy who tried to grab his gun and had residue on his hands or the guy who attacked him by hitting him in the head and neck with the skateboard?

Oh, you mean this guy - yes, his own testimony says KR shot in self defense:

Under cross-examination by a lawyer for Mr. Rittenhouse, Mr. Grosskreutz gave testimony that suggested his role in the events of Aug. 25, 2020, was complicated. Like Mr. Rittenhouse, Mr. Grosskreutz was armed that night, and he was asked why he had falsely told police detectives shortly after the shooting that his Glock pistol had fallen out of its holster that night — rather than saying he had pulled it out, as visual evidence showed. Under questioning, he also acknowledged that he was carrying the gun concealed without a valid permit to do so and that he had denied a request from the police in September 2020 to interview him about the shootings.

As Mr. Grosskreutz described the seconds before Mr. Rittenhouse shot him, he was shown photos that captured him pointing his gun at Mr. Rittenhouse.

“So when you were standing three to five feet from him with your arms up in the air, he never fired, right?” Corey Chirafisi, a defense lawyer, asked.

“Correct,” Mr. Grosskreutz answered.

“It wasn’t until you pointed your gun at him, advanced on him with your gun — now your hands down, pointed at him — that he fired, right?” Mr. Chirafisi said.

“Correct,” he said.

And, if he had shot and/or killed KR, it would have been the same, legally. Self-defense.

Think about what that means.

The witness admitted he was there with his hands up and then decided to advance on the guy and point his gun at him. Not the same, but it doesn't matter because your scenario didn't happen and isn't on trial. The Wisconsin laws are very lenient in interpreting self defense, and the guy admitted he was advancing and pointing a weapon at KR. Talk about changing the narrative whether or not you like the shooter.

Thankfully there is video evidence. And trial testimony.

Just let these morons keep twisting themselves into pretzels to try and get KR convicted. Newsflash: it ain’t gonna work. But we’ll enjoy watching you try.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you have a gun, don’t go into the crowd. The kid being stupid and reckless provoked and escalated the whole thing.

Rosenbaum said he would kill KR and then later attacked him whilst he was on his way to extinguish a fire: So who exactly provoked who? Don’t let the facts get in the way of your narrative.

No, Rosenbaum wasn't talking to Rittenhouse when he said that. Rittenhouse said that he didn't think he was the one that Rosenbaum was threatening.

[Anonymous]

Rosenbaum said he would kill KR and then later attacked him whilst he was on his way to extinguish a fire: So who exactly provoked who? Don’t let the facts get in the way of your narrative.


No, Rosenbaum wasn't talking to Rittenhouse when he said that. Rittenhouse said that he didn't think he was the one that Rosenbaum was threatening.

I think it shows Rosenbaum's state of mind--or lack of it. No question he was a bad actor.

Rittenhouse should not have been there. But, he was. Teen-age boys do dumb things. I can see how it happened. Shouldn't have, but it did. "Let's go protect the car place!" Great idea!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I mean do we really want to set the precedent that it's great for a minor to run into the middle of a riot with a gun, amping up the chaos, then say, "well it was chaotic of course he had to shoot people"?

I don't want that precedent!

If your minor was outside in life threatening danger, even if you could argue if they stayed home they would of been safe, and had a gun you'd tell them to use it.

I'm not saying what would I tell my own child. I'm saying as a society - do we want to encourage people to throw themselves into the middle of chaos, with guns, then give them free license to kill people once they are there when their very presence is amping up the chaos and risk of violence?

Basically he gave himself a get out of jail free ticket to murder people by bringing a gun to a place where having a gun would put his life in danger, allowing him to kill people and then claim self-defense. That's not a great precedent. Do you want to encourage more people to do this? Does that make you feel safer?

No, of course not. Maybe that is a reason we don't allow rioters free rein to burn and destroy people's businesses and livelihoods and loot and create that chaos while mayors tell the p ok lice to stand down and not contain this kind of bullshit!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I mean do we really want to set the precedent that it's great for a minor to run into the middle of a riot with a gun, amping up the chaos, then say, "well it was chaotic of course he had to shoot people"?

I don't want that precedent!

If your minor was outside in life threatening danger, even if you could argue if they stayed home they would of been safe, and had a gun you'd tell them to use it.

I'm not saying what would I tell my own child. I'm saying as a society - do we want to encourage people to throw themselves into the middle of chaos, with guns, then give them free license to kill people once they are there when their very presence is amping up the chaos and risk of violence?

Basically he gave himself a get out of jail free ticket to murder people by bringing a gun to a place where having a gun would put his life in danger, allowing him to kill people and then claim self-defense. That's not a great precedent. Do you want to encourage more people to do this? Does that make you feel safer?

No, of course not. Maybe that is a reason we don't allow rioters free rein to burn and destroy people's businesses and livelihoods and loot and create that chaos while mayors tell the p ok lice to stand down and not contain this kind of bullshit!

But Rittenhouse voluntarily put himself in the middle of them. He voluntarily put himself in the middle of a violent situation, then he heightened the violence by bringing an AR-15 rifle. His own actions put his life in danger. Why does he get to murder people for choosing to do that?

I don't think we should reward and encourage violence-happy people who decide that this is their opportunity to go kill people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you have a gun, don’t go into the crowd. The kid being stupid and reckless provoked and escalated the whole thing.

Rosenbaum said he would kill KR and then later attacked him whilst he was on his way to extinguish a fire: So who exactly provoked who? Don’t let the facts get in the way of your narrative.

No, Rosenbaum wasn't talking to Rittenhouse when he said that. Rittenhouse said that he didn't think he was the one that Rosenbaum was threatening.

That is not true. You either have not watched the trial or you are lying.

Earlier in the night, Rittenhouse said Rosenbaum had threatened twice to kill him, first by saying that he would kill the teen if he caught him alone and then telling a group he was with "I'm going to cut your f**king hearts out."

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/rittenhouse-called-stand-testify-own-defense-us-murder-trial-2021-11-10/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you have a gun, don’t go into the crowd. The kid being stupid and reckless provoked and escalated the whole thing.

Rosenbaum said he would kill KR and then later attacked him whilst he was on his way to extinguish a fire: So who exactly provoked who? Don’t let the facts get in the way of your narrative.

No, Rosenbaum wasn't talking to Rittenhouse when he said that. Rittenhouse said that he didn't think he was the one that Rosenbaum was threatening.

That is not true. You either have not watched the trial or you are lying.

Earlier in the night, Rittenhouse said Rosenbaum had threatened twice to kill him, first by saying that he would kill the teen if he caught him alone and then telling a group he was with "I'm going to cut your f**king hearts out."

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/rittenhouse-called-stand-testify-own-defense-us-murder-trial-2021-11-10/

+1 Rosembaum threatened him twice and I believe the second time KR said he directed the threat at the group and perhaps not him personally. Rosenbaum was the bad actor that set off the entire chain of events. Self defense is a thing people…….why is this so confusing to you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you have a gun, don’t go into the crowd. The kid being stupid and reckless provoked and escalated the whole thing.

Rosenbaum said he would kill KR and then later attacked him whilst he was on his way to extinguish a fire: So who exactly provoked who? Don’t let the facts get in the way of your narrative.

No, Rosenbaum wasn't talking to Rittenhouse when he said that. Rittenhouse said that he didn't think he was the one that Rosenbaum was threatening.

That is not true. You either have not watched the trial or you are lying.

Earlier in the night, Rittenhouse said Rosenbaum had threatened twice to kill him, first by saying that he would kill the teen if he caught him alone and then telling a group he was with "I'm going to cut your f**king hearts out."

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/rittenhouse-called-stand-testify-own-defense-us-murder-trial-2021-11-10/

+1 Rosembaum threatened him twice and I believe the second time KR said he directed the threat at the group and perhaps not him personally. Rosenbaum was the bad actor that set off the entire chain of events. Self defense is a thing people…….why is this so confusing to you?

Because self-defense requires proportionality.

Someone threatens to kill you. That doesn't mean you get to kill them in response. That's not self-defense, that's murder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Rosenbaum said he would kill KR and then later attacked him whilst he was on his way to extinguish a fire: So who exactly provoked who? Don’t let the facts get in the way of your narrative.


No, Rosenbaum wasn't talking to Rittenhouse when he said that. Rittenhouse said that he didn't think he was the one that Rosenbaum was threatening.

I think it shows Rosenbaum's state of mind--or lack of it. No question he was a bad actor.

Rittenhouse should not have been there. But, he was. Teen-age boys do dumb things. I can see how it happened. Shouldn't have, but it did. "Let's go protect the car place!" Great idea!

And thus, he should have a penalty for wontonly killing people unneccessarily.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you have a gun, don’t go into the crowd. The kid being stupid and reckless provoked and escalated the whole thing.

Rosenbaum said he would kill KR and then later attacked him whilst he was on his way to extinguish a fire: So who exactly provoked who? Don’t let the facts get in the way of your narrative.

No, Rosenbaum wasn't talking to Rittenhouse when he said that. Rittenhouse said that he didn't think he was the one that Rosenbaum was threatening.

That is not true. You either have not watched the trial or you are lying.

Earlier in the night, Rittenhouse said Rosenbaum had threatened twice to kill him, first by saying that he would kill the teen if he caught him alone and then telling a group he was with "I'm going to cut your f**king hearts out."

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/rittenhouse-called-stand-testify-own-defense-us-murder-trial-2021-11-10/

+1 Rosembaum threatened him twice and I believe the second time KR said he directed the threat at the group and perhaps not him personally. Rosenbaum was the bad actor that set off the entire chain of events. Self defense is a thing people…….why is this so confusing to you?

Because self-defense requires proportionality.

Someone threatens to kill you. That doesn't mean you get to kill them in response. That's not self-defense, that's murder.

You’re acting like Rosenbaum threatened to kill KR, then Kyle hunted him down and shot him. That’s not what happened.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you have a gun, don’t go into the crowd. The kid being stupid and reckless provoked and escalated the whole thing.

Rosenbaum said he would kill KR and then later attacked him whilst he was on his way to extinguish a fire: So who exactly provoked who? Don’t let the facts get in the way of your narrative.

No, Rosenbaum wasn't talking to Rittenhouse when he said that. Rittenhouse said that he didn't think he was the one that Rosenbaum was threatening.

That is not true. You either have not watched the trial or you are lying.

Earlier in the night, Rittenhouse said Rosenbaum had threatened twice to kill him, first by saying that he would kill the teen if he caught him alone and then telling a group he was with "I'm going to cut your f**king hearts out."

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/rittenhouse-called-stand-testify-own-defense-us-murder-trial-2021-11-10/

+1 Rosembaum threatened him twice and I believe the second time KR said he directed the threat at the group and perhaps not him personally. Rosenbaum was the bad actor that set off the entire chain of events. Self defense is a thing people…….why is this so confusing to you?

Because self-defense requires proportionality.

Someone threatens to kill you. That doesn't mean you get to kill them in response. That's not self-defense, that's murder.

It is if you feel the individual was a genuine threat.

[Anonymous]

Wisconsin self-defense requires an objectively reasonable fear of death or great bodily harm.

No one else in the group was threatened. Why was KR objectively reasonably threatened but the others weren't?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wisconsin self-defense requires an objectively reasonable fear of death or great bodily harm.

No one else in the group was threatened. Why was KR objectively reasonably threatened but the others weren't?

Because, in addition to the threats, Rosenbaum chased him down, cornering him and attempting to seize his rifle.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wisconsin self-defense requires an objectively reasonable fear of death or great bodily harm.

No one else in the group was threatened. Why was KR objectively reasonably threatened but the others weren't?

Because, in addition to the threats, Rosenbaum chased him down, cornering him and attempting to seize his rifle.

Kyle, a 17 year old minor, was chased down by a convicted serial child molester and killed him when the child molester tried to lunge for his gun. This is confirmed by both video evidence and witness testimony. Please follow the trial and watch the videos available on The NY Times and The Washington Post before offering an opinion.

Also, if Rittenhouse was a 17 year old girl who was chased into a car lot by a convicted serial rapist and ended up shooting the serial rapist would any of you seriously be arguing that the 17 year old girl should be on trial for murder. Of course you wouldn’t. Stop viewing every single news story through your myopic political lens. Think rationally for once.